Ok You've convinced me, no LS1!!! Now I want Turbo or Twin Turbo

[7camaro7]

What's up everybody? For a long time I wanted to put in an LS1 in my car to replace the 6, but now I'm convinced that hp per $ I'd better off getting turbo.

Any body know anything about Twin Turbo V6 Camaros? I've been searching and can find nothing.

Also if anybody finds any times, twin turbo or single turbo, try to find 1/4 times.

Thanks a lot guys n gals:haha:

[dreaded_hope]

As far as I know twin turbo on a 6 hasn't been done. As far as I know..., single turbo, there are quite a few guys that have them, and they put out great dyno #'s, but all the guys that have them never seem to go out to the track! What is with that?? One guy on another board has 456 RWHP and 509 LB/FT to the wheels. That's crazy impressive, however, I haven't heard of any track numbers.

[7camaro7]

That sounds exactly like this guy I know of (viper). I think the numbers are impressive.... I think I can go from less than 200 at the wheels to atleast like 320... I know at 5psi it does pretty good. On an LS1 it goes from like 300-435, (I subtracted a little to explain my point on the stock hp of ls1 fbody at the wheels with the 300). I know they're ranked at like 325hp.

I'd expect to to to like 325-340... I also don't mind doing engine work down the road to be capable of holding more psi.

I always seem to find evidence that turbochargers are better than superchargers as well.

I'm seriously thinking about getting 1 though because I'd get a lot more power 4 CHEAP.

[quicky06]

ebay is your friend there is a guy on camarov6.com thatis puuting a turbo with intercooler togeather for under a grand

[12secondv6]

NITROUS > turbo!

No one w/ the turbo set up's have impressed me down the 1/4 with ET's.

Granted, malice had a trap of 116 mph? Turbo + nitrous.

See sig, nitrous can do wonders.

<-- 100 shot :)

[dreaded_hope]

:yup:

nitrous > supercharger as well.

[7camaro7]

I'd like to do turbo + nitrous+ more engine work. I'm mainly thinking of turbo and nitrous though. Ever heard of Ststurbos.com? I think their turbo is one of the best, next to the procharger.

[7camaro7]

The turbo charger I want doesn't need an intercooler also because it's actually mounted in the rear. I'm still going to do more research since I don't have the cash at the moment any way hahaha. But my Camaro will be packing some power by the time its all said and done!

[dreaded_hope]

I too like the idea of the STS setup, however, you'll have to contact them, because as far as I know, for the moment anyways, there is no kit available for the v6 fbodies. I'm sure most of it would be the same as the LS1 or LT1 f cars, up until you get into the engine compartment, then you'd probably have to custom fab something up. Also you'd probably need a different turbo, one that would spool correctly for the application. I'd give them a call if you really want to find out.

[7camaro7]

I talked to a guy at a carshow earlier this year and he was representing STS. He told me it was the exact same turbo for LS1's. He told me it would fit. I might take a drive to the shop one of these days. I stay in Nashville and its less than 30miles away.

[SilverBelter]

I wouldn't go for the rear mount if I were you. I honestly am no expert but that seems like it leaves a lot of lag and wasted piping. If you are really serious about it get on Fullthrottlev6.com and look up a member named CP. He has a nice custom turbo setup that and can probably get you together with the guy that built it for him.

[dreaded_hope]

There seems to be alot of people really divided on the rear mount setup. I've heard people who are against it always talk about lag, and useable power in the car's power band. I've stayed subjective because I really don't know lots about turbo's, however, I've now read 3 magazine reviews on rear mount turbo setups for fbodies, and all of them clearly stated that there was no lag, and great power down low as well. Not to mention dyno graphs and numbers also. Either setup, front or rear mounted turbo would be a good bet, and produce lots of power.

[7camaro7]

I also saw the no lag thing. I'm thinking it would be a lot better to get the rear mounted because they say turbos make a LOT of heat! This heat defininitly would not be good for my fiberglass hood or engine temperatures.

The good thing about these guys is they told me that they finance:approved:
That means I could be :drivin: in no time

I'd rather not go the finance route because I'd be paying extra for my lack of patience.:think:

In 2007 I plan to do the paint job and turbo. This year coming up, I think I'm going to dedicate it to rims and a system and more neons. In the mean time I'll keep looking to see what I can find until I've got the cash to pay up front.

[12secondv6]

I like the rear mount STS kits.

If you live that close to them go and get it! I've talked to lots of people who run them and virtually no turbo lag.

Keep us updated.

[Svt killa]

i dont think rear mounted turbos make as good performance as front mounted ones , am i right?

[7camaro7]

I doubt that's true about the performance difference. I think if anything that the rear mounted one would be better because its always in fresh air and stays cooler easier. Also, I mean there is always air in the pipe from the rear to the front so as long as air is being pushed in then I see no reason why there should be lag from it.

12secondV6, I'm having cash flow problems right now :haha:, but when I get situated good enough, I will. I'm trying to get into that 12 second range like you, then who knows... maybe I'll get it to 11's, if I do, that'll be fast enough for me... hahaha

[PaganEgyptian]

I have seen dual Turbo setups on G/N's. And they are totally sick. But running 24psi is retarded on stock internals. I was thinking I read somwhere our rotating assemblies are good for no more than 500HP. Besides, running over 12psi of boost can kill our Hyper Crap Pistons. Connecting rods are already the LT1's 5.7" Forged Rods, so they can handle it. I just want you to know there are a lot of weak parts to consider when going forced Induction over 12 psi. -Tim

[7camaro7]

thanks! makes sense. I believe the turbo in stock form pushes like 5 or 6psi so that should be safe. I'll get more work done later to boost it up more

[RedRamAir2000]

emm 500hp on stock v6 bottom end. i thought that the ls1 bottom end was only rated for 500rwhp

[7camaro7]

Explain that to me man because I don't understand

[Black34v6]

500rwhp != 500hp.

500hp = hp @ the crankshaft, or what the engine is capable of doing. Rwhp is hp that has gone thru all of the drivetrain and lost some of its kick. dont compare the two, it makes for bad examples.

[woodymaro]

7camaro7 is your camaro your daily driver? If it is your daily driver what are you going to do when it rains? WATER + FORCED INDUCTION = HYDROLOCKED MOTOR. Just something to think about.

[7camaro7]

Yes it is, but damn, isn't there some kind of valve that lets water out? I mean that's what ram air vehicles like SS and T/A do isn't it? I know their not forced induction as much as turbo but what do you think?

[Black34v6]

um. ya. there is a reason they put an AIR FILTER on the intake. this keeps out bad crap, like bees, and rocks, and WATER.

[7camaro7]

I wasn't sure if the filter kept water out or not. I do know that the turbo I want does have a k&n filter on it

[Black34v6]

yea that comment wasnt directed at you. most people who own f-bodies get the idea that an air filter also keeps water out. if you want a better way of doing it, get a K&N Air filter (oiled filter) the oil will help repel water droplets. but honestly unless you go wading in a pool you are fine.

your motor wont get hydrolocked from a few drops either -- even if it gets in the engine, has to be a lot of water. i used to have a 89 mazda mx6, and it got a head gasket leak. enough that when i took the spark plug out of the engine (#3) water POURED out (Without the engine cranking) . now if that much water doesnt cause hydrolock (the engine ran even with all that water..just burnt it.) i dont think a few drops would.

[7camaro7]

yea, thanks man... I still thought about it because I don't want to be looking sad with a Camaro turbo'ed but not working because it rained yesterday :haha:

[dreaded_hope]

I read a review out of HPP on the STS kit you're interested in and they reported they drove it in the rain and hadn't had a single problem. :yup:

[7camaro7]

Kick Ass:haha:

[woodymaro]

um. ya. there is a reason they put an AIR FILTER on the intake. this keeps out bad crap, like bees, and rocks, and WATER.
:haha: :lmao: That is funny, I hope your not serious. Lets do any experiment, take a shop vacuum and an air filter and place it in front of a water sprinkler and see what you thing about that outcome. P.S. a shop vac doesn't even come close to creating as much vacuum or boost as the turbo system your thinking about puchasing. I PERSONALLY know two guys that had turbos on their cars and both of their motors hydrolocked when they drove in the rain. One was a 300zx and the other was a 99 SS camaro. The guy in the 300zx it happened to him twice.:brick: just giving you the heads up, but do what you want.

[7camaro7]

if I have to, I'll make a custom sheild to keep stuff like that away.

[wakesk8te]

intense-racing.com

they have a 9 sec 3800 single T72 turbo with around 800 whp :Popcorn:

[wakesk8te]

I just don't know how the f-bodys tranny will hold up with that kinda power...

there's also a twin turbo L67 3800.. zzperformance.com sponsors that car, it runs around a 9.7 after one month of building the car..

[wakesk8te]

so twin turbo would definatly have plenty of HP potential..

[Tobynine9]

The good thing about these guys is they told me that they finance:approved:
That means I could be :drivin: in no time

I'd rather not go the finance route because I'd be paying extra for my lack of patience.:think:



Financing performance mods would be about as intelligent as using a HELOC to go on vacation. Don't put your credit on the line for something you're likely to blow up when you drive it too hard or get smashed when a soccer mom's SUV runs a red light. Insurance certainly isn't going to pay you for your mods.

[Black34v6]

:haha: :lmao: That is funny, I hope your not serious. Lets do any experiment, take a shop vacuum and an air filter and place it in front of a water sprinkler and see what you thing about that outcome. P.S. a shop vac doesn't even come close to creating as much vacuum or boost as the turbo system your thinking about puchasing. I PERSONALLY know two guys that had turbos on their cars and both of their motors hydrolocked when they drove in the rain. One was a 300zx and the other was a 99 SS camaro. The guy in the 300zx it happened to him twice.:brick: just giving you the heads up, but do what you want.

yea. im not even gonna bother replying to this. other than the fact that i would really question your friends about their cars cause i know several people who have forced induction setups, who have drove in the rain (even in texas rain) and never hydrolocked their motor...and have a regular filter on it...so why did your friends have that problem? probably cause they were dumb enough to try to drive thru a lake (foot deep puddle) while it was raining. i have never heard of rain hydrolocking a motor just from the drops falling out of the sky. even in a downpour.

and from this point on, no, i really dont care what you have to say. you've already proven your ignorance and stupidity, i dont need anymore examples.

[12secondv6]

This post has gotten slightly silly.

Many power adder people drive cars in the rain with NO problems!

Shitty systems may cause issues.... driver error may cause issues.... driving through a lake will cause issues.

[7camaro7]

I promise not to drive through a lake:haha:

Also I know that every one says there are turbo v6 fbodies out there and there are no time slips, but if they're producing the power, they would be getting the good times at the track, right?

[12secondv6]

No.... you can make all the power in the world and have crappy times.

1) Bad Driver
2) Bad Driver
3) Bad Driver
4) not 1/4 mile friendly drag suspension

If you can't hook.... then ET's won't be that great. Look at mph though

[7camaro7]

I mean anything is better than 15sec+ in the 1/4th! It seams like some people just don't put up their times:hmm: I really don't get it. I'd really like to know how much faster their cars are before I spend that kind of money on a turbo.

Oh, and I've got the driver mod pretty good here:haha: I do nicely against stang gt's without much. I have the stock lsd and 3.42's and a twitchy foot that loves to stomp the gas pedal:haha: I'm no joke at a stop light :haha: I'd still love to have that turbo though.

Actually, since an engine swap and a turbo is still pretty expensive, I may bite the bullet and get an engine swap when I graduate(about 2more yrs). I'd love for my Camaro to be much faster. I may end up getting nitrous in the mean time though. I can do that plus work on making my suspension better. I want my Camaro on rails! When I'm done with it I want it to be a rollercoaster on rubber!:haha:

[MadSeason]

Just saw your thread and wanted to add my 2cents. I had a 94 v6.. well I still have it and am trying to sell it. Not trying to hijack the thread or anything here but I was able to do an LS1 swap into it for 5k not including any labor or misc parts I added like an upgraded gauge cluster, aftermarket suspension, ect... Dropping in the motor was only another 1k

It ended up costing more in the end because I got screwed on the tranny and one of the radiator lines was kinked... I Immediatly needed to rebuild the tranny due to not enough fluid on my ride home from the shop so it burned up and 6 months later replace the block. Guy who installed it did a TB bypass by just capping it off instead of making a return line to the radiator. Things eventually heated up, a spring broke, threw a rod, and punctured the block.. After all was said and done I've put more than 25k, most was paid for by the mechanic who originally fucked up, but because of mishaps and aftermarket parts that's been the total bill.

You already have an LS type car and LSD rear, the only major things I would worry about are beefing up your shocks and springs, maybe look into a 1LE package on ebay or stock v8 sway bars. I put the engine in my car and then realize I really needed to beef things up. Went to a junk yard for stock z28 stuff and made a big difference but wanted more performance so I went aftermarket. With the LS2 and LS7's out now the price of an LS1 has gone down alot. Good luck in what you decide to do, and let me just say, having a car thats stickered like a V6 down to the way its painted and being a 94... It sure is a sleeper and suprises a lot of folks. More people want to race me in that than my Firehawk.

[NHRA-LS1]

I have friends who have the v-6's and have done lots of different motor swaps. The best to date was an LT-1 with only GM hotcam gave 475 to the rear tires. Best track time was a 12.56. Now with 150 shot of Nitrous the dyno was more around 592 and we have no traction to get a better time. I would go with more cubic inches because no matter what technology comes up with the cubic inches will always give no lag no slip and never mis-fires. More cubes then if your not happy just add a turbo to that.

[Hotrod]

I don't understand the want for a turbo over nitrous? For the cost of the turbo + installation, you could buy a bad-a$$ nitrous system and several other parts to make it damn fast! Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think your going to realistically build a 800HP V-6. Besides that, you better buy a new rear-end if you plan on doing everyhting you're talking about cause that'll be the first to go, along with our crappy transmissions. Twin turbos, nitrous, all the supporting mods, rear-end, transmission, and installation is gonna cost a small fortune! I'd like John Force's engine in my car but you just have to be realistic. You can put up good numbers with headers, exhaust, cam, nitrous, gears, ect.

I had a 2000 Camaro V6 with these mods and it ran hard!

K&N Filter
Ram Air Kit
PaceSetter Headers
CarSound High Flow Cat
FlowTech Electric Cutout
3.73 Gears
ZZ Performance VS Cam Package
ZZ Performance Stage 1 Heads
ZZ Performance Stage 1 Intake
Nitrous Express Wet Kit (100 Shot)
Nitrous Express Purge Kit
NGK-TR6 Plugs
MSD Coil Packs & Plug Wires
MSD Window Switch

Not trying to tell anyone what to do, but there are cheaper ways to make a car fast than buying a $1,500.00 turbo.

[MadSeason]

I have friends who have the v-6's and have done lots of different motor swaps. The best to date was an LT-1 with only GM hotcam gave 475 to the rear tires. Best track time was a 12.56. Now with 150 shot of Nitrous the dyno was more around 592 and we have no traction to get a better time. I would go with more cubic inches because no matter what technology comes up with the cubic inches will always give no lag no slip and never mis-fires. More cubes then if your not happy just add a turbo to that. :newbie: nice 6 month old thread

[7camaro7]

yup, hahaha! Even though I sold the car, I'm still reading what everyone has to say.

[ss~zoso~ss]

this is stupid

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