Cobra's Wow!

[JayplaySS2]

This is a link to my brothers '01 Formula. He made 462rwhp with only 8psi boost, which is what the terminator sits @ boost-wise in stock form, with his only other mods being a ported MAF and Hooker cat-back at the time. The rest of the car was completely stock down to the manifolds & y-pipe. A comparably modded Cobra won't make anywhere near that without more bolt-ons and/or a pulley. He now has a forged 6.0 with Patriot heads pushing 621 with the same D1SC.

http://www.forcefedperformance.com/customride.asp?key=21


A Cobra with only 13psi (extra boost for the lack of displacement 281 vs 346) will make that and it will only cost a smart guy $600. Your brother needed a supercharger and heads and only has 621rwhp? I made more than that with JUST my blower only at 19 PSI.:thinkin:

There is more than $6K in that Camaro and it will stil get walked by many street Cobras. FYI.

Why am I even writing you? Do they race LT1's? Had one of those too. Dont even get me started.

Damn I love to argue. And 462rwhp is WEAK at any boost. Much more so on a 346 LSX.

[JayplaySS2]

Here a few pics for you little whinners! Im just busting your balls! I love LSX'x too.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/JayplaySS/IMAG0013.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/JayplaySS/IMAG0015.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/JayplaySS/IMAG0012.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/JayplaySS/IMAG0014.jpg


http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/JayplaySS/IMAG0048.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/JayplaySS/IMAG0046.jpg

This is the most COMMON view for LSX's. LOL

[N20LT4]

Damn. I posted such a good response you had to respond with three. You still didn't answer the question. It was: an LS1 will make more power with the same amount of boost as a comparably modded '03-'04. I guess you read a sentence or two and went BERZERK!! Keep it shorter next time please. And as far as LT1's go, here goes pops "Black Knight". 778rwhp/786rwtq, and ya - it's an LT1 :).
http://www.forcefedperformance.com/customride.asp?key=9

[JayplaySS2]

Damn. I posted such a good thread I made you respond with three. You still didn't answer the question. It was: an LS1 will make more power with the same amount of boost as a comparably modded '03-'04. I guess you read a sentence or two and went BERZERK!! See how long it took me to post? Keep it shorter next time, please



Any engine with the larger displacement will ALWAYS make more power. Now what does that do for you or your brother when I roll up to you at a light? A FI 6.0 Mod motor will make MORE power than an FI 6.0 LSX due to nature of a 4 valve. Either way, you build your LT1 and hope for the best.

I didnt go bezerk, I actually had a few PM's of guys wanting pics of the Cobra.

[secondgearscratch]

this thread is pretty good. the other one is getting heated...

and i requested the pics! why the fuck not, its bad ass!


i like all this, its fun and informative!

[JayplaySS2]

this thread is pretty good. the other one is getting heated...

and i requested the pics! why the fuck not, its bad ass!


i like all this, its fun and informative!

Exactly. Im just having fun too. Its all yours when I hit the lotto. Ill sell it to ya for $5! Really.

Hey secondgear, what are your mods?

[secondgearscratch]

Exactly. Im just having fun too. Its all yours when I hit the lotto. Ill sell it to ya for $5! Really.

done deal. :bow:

im taking n20's vette also. havent told him yet the though.

that, might be a problem....

its all awesome. we drive muscle cars in a culture of rice. rejoyce!

[JayplaySS2]

done deal. :bow:

im taking n20's vette also. havent told him yet the though.

that, might be a problem....

its all awesome. we drive muscle cars in a culture of rice. rejoyce!


I am trying to figure out a way to have the Cobra and a C6 Z06.

[N20LT4]

Either way, you build your LT1 and hope for the best.

The build is in the works. The guys @ A.I. are putting together a proven combo for me. (http://www.advancedinduction.com/AiPerfLT1.html) - the first car under "Alek's NA 355". The combo made 480rwhp/419tq - that's on a 355, not a stroked block. Add my squeeze on top of that, and i'll be well over 600rw. When I wan't more, i'll go 2 stages. Termy's: BEWARE! :chuckles:

[JayplaySS2]

The build is in the works. The guys @ A.I. are putting together a proven combo for me. (http://www.advancedinduction.com/AiPerfLT1.html) - the first car under "Alek's NA 355". The combo made 480rwhp/419tq - that's on a 355, not a stroked block. Add my squeeze on top of that, and i'll be well over 600rw. When I wan't more, i'll go 2 stages. Termy's: BEWARE! :chuckles:

Actually man that sounds pretty stout. Good luck with it. Just remember, there are Termis now with 700+rwhp and a shot of squeeze. You have no idea what TQ feels like at 3K on a Twin Screw Cobra and a 150shot. You will have lots of good races, really. Plenty to take out all but the strongest Cobras IF you even stumbled on them.:drivin:

[N20LT4]

Actually man that sounds pretty stout. Good luck with it. Just remember, there are Termis now with 700+rwhp and a shot of squeeze. You have no idea what TQ feels like at 3K on a Twin Screw Cobra and a 150shot. You will have lots of good races, really. Plenty to take out all but the strongest Cobras IF you even stumbled on them.:drivin:

Appreciate it man. It's been about 10 years now going @ it with those 4-valves, since I was a young teen. Those motors always gave me trouble @ the street races :) I've always had respect for them.

[secondgearscratch]

Exactly. Im just having fun too. Its all yours when I hit the lotto. Ill sell it to ya for $5! Really.

Hey secondgear, what are your mods?

umm, im not familiar with "mods" unless they are free. i have no money.

bought a few things like headers and a used cam and sold them to get money for tickets. im a typical 19 year old in that sense...

a bit of weight reduction :firedevil: dumped after cats, Shitty Loser Products cold air intake, previous owner ported tb (though i dont know why) and some crazy driving.

honestly i just cant afford to do anything with it while in college at this juncture. probably gonna be a cheatr cam first and alot more weight reduction. i dont need alot if im light. just a good rear so i can launch at 5500 and i will be satisfied for a while.

considered a single turbo set up but ive been scheming, and if i go big, by god im putting a kb in an f body!

[secondgearscratch]

you know what im wondering guys????

wheres bob?

[JayplaySS2]

Appreciate it man. It's been about 10 years now going @ it with those 4-valves, since I was a young teen. Those motors always gave me trouble @ the street races :) I've always had respect for them.


You know whats funny. In any race you have a 50/50% chance of winning. This means you must show atleast half the respect to ANY car/driver. You never know.:drivin: Sure is fun though.

[N20LT4]

You know whats funny. In any race you have a 50/50% chance of winning. This means you must show atleast half the respect to ANY car/driver. You never know.:drivin: Sure is fun though.

True that!

[xinthenight]

A Cobra with only 13psi (extra boost for the lack of displacement 281 vs 346) will make that and it will only cost a smart guy $600. Your brother needed a supercharger and heads and only has 621rwhp? I made more than that with JUST my blower only at 19 PSI.:thinkin:

There is more than $6K in that Camaro and it will stil get walked by many street Cobras. FYI.

Why am I even writing you? Do they race LT1's? Had one of those too. Dont even get me started.

Damn I love to argue. And 462rwhp is WEAK at any boost. Much more so on a 346 LSX.

Uh...buy a used 03 cobra for 25k or buy a used 94-96 LT1 camaro z28 or SS for $6k-$10k and spend the other $15k-$20k on mods. The LT1 would EASILLY smoke that cobra for the same price. All your buying is Mustangs high advertisement prices and a supercharger. You can throw a supercharger in any decent engine and just about talk smack. Throw the same powered supercharger into a LT1 or LS1 and I don't see the cobra standing a chance.

But that's just me. I just get tired of seeing 90% of the mustang owners being girls that think they are actually driving muscle cars when it's only a v6.

[N20LT4]

Uh...buy a used 03 cobra for 25k or buy a used 94-96 LT1 camaro z28 or SS for $6k-$10k and spend the other $15k-$20k on mods. The LT1 would EASILLY smoke that cobra for the same price. All your buying is Mustangs high advertisement prices and a supercharger. You can throw a supercharger in any decent engine and just about talk smack. Throw the same powered supercharger into a LT1 or LS1 and I don't see the cobra standing a chance.

But that's just me. I just get tired of seeing 90% of the mustang owners being girls that think they are actually driving muscle cars when it's only a v6.

LOL

[JayplaySS2]

Uh...buy a used 03 cobra for 25k or buy a used 94-96 LT1 camaro z28 or SS for $6k-$10k and spend the other $15k-$20k on mods. The LT1 would EASILLY smoke that cobra for the same price. All your buying is Mustangs high advertisement prices and a supercharger. You can throw a supercharger in any decent engine and just about talk smack. Throw the same powered supercharger into a LT1 or LS1 and I don't see the cobra standing a chance.

But that's just me. I just get tired of seeing 90% of the mustang owners being girls that think they are actually driving muscle cars when it's only a v6.

This attitude reminds me a few months back when my buddy brought 2 friends to my shop to show them my car and after I closed I took 3 other people for a ride and they (all F-body guys) were giggling like school girls and with 4 people it felt slow as crap. They were talking about it for weeks. I took the same guys for various rides in my SS with good results but nothing near the Cobra. Its impossible to go this fast this easy apart from a Terminator.

Youre gonna make 600-700rwhp from an LT1 with $6-10K? Show me a 600-700rwhp pump gas LT1 with out nitrous. Better yet make it a beautiful daily driver with AC and leather, thats only fair, thats what every Cobra has.

Exactly. To make 600-700rwhp you will have to BUILD something. With a Cobra you bolt on a blower thats easier than installing LT's on an LS1, I know first hand. Ford did ALL thier research on the short block. What would be in better shape now, a 2003 Cobra or a 1996 Camaro? Wow. Then you still need to see that the Camaro is worth AFTER youre done investing all that cash. The Cobra will actually hold every dime for years to come with no problems. Hands down victory. Point is any Camaro or Buick or Ford can be made to run 600+rwhp and runs 10's but few can be as civil as a Cobra and none will be as easy as with a Cobra. Thats all.

I have also for your record beaten 4 FI LS1's (including my last SS 3 times) so continue to hope. Youve never even been in a Cobra either, so how do you have any info to share? Only your invalid hopes.

[N20LT4]

It's a fair argument both ways. It took Ford yeeears to finally build a solid performing Mustang. I'm happy that the Blue Oval finatics finally got one. You can come into this argument from so many different angles. The Ford guy can argue how he spent xxx amount of dollars and got all this horsepower, and the F-body guy can argue how weak naturally aspirated bolt on-heads-cam Cobra's run compared to built LT and LS motors. You add a supercharger into the mix on that 4-6, and they run. Supercharger kits have always made horsepower, just this time the factory took care of it for you. Guys with the first 4-valve 4.6's were going 12's instantly with Vortech's, Paxtons, and Powerdynes, and almost every one of those guys, including reputable one's like the fellows at MM&FF, would admit in an instant that that's what you have to do in order to keep up with those Bowtie guys. The '99 and '02 Cobra couldn't touch an LS1 F-body. The forged block and Eaton blower finally gave the Blue Oval the odds after all those years, but all it takes is a built SBC with a power adder to put things back in perspective. I don't know about most others, but I can afford to forge my bottom - thank God! The saying is true that there is no replacement for displacement.

[JayplaySS2]

It's a fair argument both ways. It took Ford yeeears to finally build a solid performing Mustang. I'm happy that the Blue Oval finatics finally got one. You can come into this argument from so many different angles. The Ford guy can argue how he spent xxx amount of dollars and got all this horsepower, and the F-body guy can argue how weak naturally aspirated bolt on-heads-cam Cobra's run compared to built LT and LS motors. You add a supercharger into the mix on that 4-6, and they run. Supercharger kits have always made horsepower, just this time the factory took care of it for you. Guys with the first 4-valve 4.6's were going 12's instantly with Vortech's, Paxtons, and Powerdynes, and almost every one of those guys, including reputable one's like the fellows at MM&FF, would admit in an instant that that's what you have to do in order to keep up with those Bowtie guys. The '99 and '02 Cobra couldn't touch an LS1 F-body. The forged block and Eaton blower finally gave the Blue Oval the odds after all those years, but all it takes is a built SBC with a power adder to put things back in perspective. I don't know about most others, but I can afford to forge my bottom - thank God! The saying is true that there is no replacement for displacement.

Thats all the little eaton does for the 4.6, it simply adds displacement. How many guys run a 4.8 LSX Camaro? The S/C just helps even things, and boy does it and then some. I have no problem having friends with FI on thier LS1's. It just makes things a bit more equal, a H/C/Bolt on LS1 is not a fair race to a well tuned KB Cobra so I invite FI to GM and I also EXPECT FI to any DD car that has 600+rwhp. I would need FI if I were to get a C5 Z06 to 600rwhp.

[N20LT4]

Oh lets not get on the "supercharger displacement issue" - we could go all night with that one. Anyhow, both cars have great potential and both warrant respect. I will end my thoughts by saying...money, resale value, leather seats and a/c, all those factors (that have to do with cost effectiveness and not performance) aside; looking at the big picture, the LSX has greater potential than the 4v 4-6 - Period. And it should, it has more displacement. I believe deep down inside that even you know that, and I respect a person that defends what he believes.
Just hope that you continue to run into your "buddies" naturally aspirated cars, cause if you ever happen to stumble across a forged blown LS1 - well, just pray.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/036eec75-f927-45e2-b156-988101670c6b.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbLIphf1yg0

[xinthenight]

This attitude reminds me a few months back when my buddy brought 2 friends to my shop to show them my car and after I closed I took 3 other people for a ride and they (all F-body guys) were giggling like school girls and with 4 people it felt slow as crap. They were talking about it for weeks. I took the same guys for various rides in my SS with good results but nothing near the Cobra. Its impossible to go this fast this easy apart from a Terminator.

Youre gonna make 600-700rwhp from an LT1 with $6-10K? Show me a 600-700rwhp pump gas LT1 with out nitrous. Better yet make it a beautiful daily driver with AC and leather, thats only fair, thats what every Cobra has.

Exactly. To make 600-700rwhp you will have to BUILD something. With a Cobra you bolt on a blower thats easier than installing LT's on an LS1, I know first hand. Ford did ALL thier research on the short block. What would be in better shape now, a 2003 Cobra or a 1996 Camaro? Wow. Then you still need to see that the Camaro is worth AFTER youre done investing all that cash. The Cobra will actually hold every dime for years to come with no problems. Hands down victory. Point is any Camaro or Buick or Ford can be made to run 600+rwhp and runs 10's but few can be as civil as a Cobra and none will be as easy as with a Cobra. Thats all.

I have also for your record beaten 4 FI LS1's (including my last SS 3 times) so continue to hope. Youve never even been in a Cobra either, so how do you have any info to share? Only your invalid hopes.

And your attitude reminds me of most of the WRX owners I know. They will throw their forced induction in your face but when you get one, it's not fair anymore.

I'm not dissing the cobra though. It single handedly gave me respect for mustangs. At least they finally did something right. I wouldn't get one, but that IS a nice car.

Just a question. How come your "600-700rwhp" mustang is only a tad bit over a second faster than a stock camaro and 3-4 times the price?

[JayplaySS2]

And your attitude reminds me of most of the WRX owners I know. They will throw their forced induction in your face but when you get one, it's not fair anymore.

I'm not dissing the cobra though. It single handedly gave me respect for mustangs. At least they finally did something right. I wouldn't get one, but that IS a nice car.

Just a question. How come your "600-700rwhp" mustang is only a tad bit over a second faster than a stock camaro and 3-4 times the price?

My Camaro was $19K and my Cobra was $25K both were 2 years old. You can add that Im sure.

Are you kidding me, a whole second? Do you know what a second is at 120-130mph? My SS trapped 121 N/A and Im sure 127 with the 100 shot and the Cobra eased right away. I would need FI on any Ford or GM I ever own, hows that.

I do have a buddy who is doing his procharger W/100 shot on his 2000 Z28 and I know I will win that race too. Now would it outrun my car with a forged bottom, procharger AND nitrous? Hope so, thats 20K in mods alone to the Camaro vs $6K in the Cobra. A $500 nitrous kit on my Cobra will walk the Camaro once again though and for cheaper mod $$ too. :cool2:

I look for FI LSX's but there are very few even around.

[JayplaySS2]

Oh lets not get on the "supercharger displacement issue" - we could go all night with that one. Anyhow, both cars have great potential and both warrant respect. I will end my thoughts by saying...money, resale value, leather seats and a/c, all those factors (that have to do with cost effectiveness and not performance) aside; looking at the big picture, the LSX has greater potential than the 4v 4-6 - Period. And it should, it has more displacement. I believe deep down inside that even you know that, and I respect a person that defends what he believes.
Just hope that you continue to run into your "buddies" naturally aspirated cars, cause if you ever happen to stumble across a forged blown LS1 - well, just pray.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/036eec75-f927-45e2-b156-988101670c6b.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbLIphf1yg0


Actually I believe the LSX is the superior powerplant BUT only when forced induction is involved yet to be done correctly you have to replace the entire longblock with lower comp heads to run boost all day. Im not a N/A kinda guy. I need atleast 800hp from a street/race car. Now when Ford makes a 6.0l or a 7.0l Mod and FI, then that may change. AC, leather and resale value have everything to do with muscle cars these days. I want my cake and eat it too. Cobra is perfect.

[JayplaySS2]

Oh lets not get on the "supercharger displacement issue" - we could go all night with that one. Anyhow, both cars have great potential and both warrant respect. I will end my thoughts by saying...money, resale value, leather seats and a/c, all those factors (that have to do with cost effectiveness and not performance) aside; looking at the big picture, the LSX has greater potential than the 4v 4-6 - Period. And it should, it has more displacement. I believe deep down inside that even you know that, and I respect a person that defends what he believes.
Just hope that you continue to run into your "buddies" naturally aspirated cars, cause if you ever happen to stumble across a forged blown LS1 - well, just pray.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/036eec75-f927-45e2-b156-988101670c6b.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbLIphf1yg0

Actually you dont even know your Cobras. I watched the Streetfire vid and know the Eatons and the Whipples. That sound is all Eaton whine baby. The vid was made by the Camaro owner and I see NO info on boost or mods but it is real easy to add "Whipple" to make your race look better. So that is a Cobra with less than 500whp. I embarassed my buds STS Z28 which makes perfect sense, add a 150-200 shot to the Cobra in that race.

That second vid was only a pullied Cobra and it KILLED the Camaro off the spray. I did like the broken dash shot inside the Camaro though!

[N20LT4]

Point proven with vid. Thread done.

[JayplaySS2]

Point proven with vid. Thread done.


Point proven with my last few races and me being the Cobra AND LS1 owner.

[xinthenight]

Point proven with vid. Thread done.

Not to mention that he's in denial now. He wants to talk about prices and which is the better bang for the buck and then to make it seem fair you can only consider what HE paid for it. Somehow his problem of paying about 20k for his camaro has to be in his defense against something that has NOTHING to do with anything I said.

Seriously kid. Yes, cobras are nice. But I'd rather buy a LT1 for 5k and spend the other 20k in mods that would blow away your cobra.

Also, I don't care about how fast you were driving. A stock cobra with a SUPERCHARGER is only a little over a second faster than a stock LT1 without any forced induction going 0-60 and from every quarter mile run I see online and websites that have their times for all cars, their quarter miles is hardly over half a second faster. Just seems pretty sad, to be honest. But then again, I've never personally expected much out of a mustang.

But I understand why you are how you are. So, what do you consider the average quarter mile time for a stock cobra? Stock 03 cobras only have 390 HP, right? http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z12387/default.aspx

Point proven with my last few races and me being the Cobra AND LS1 owner.

LOL, nice try I guess though. Seriously, a supercharged v8 with only 390 HP isn't that much to brag about. Especially considering you can save 15-20k and only need to gain 100-125 HP with a LT1 to have the same power and still be about 500 pounds lighter.

[JayplaySS2]

Not to mention that he's in denial now. He wants to talk about prices and which is the better bang for the buck and then to make it seem fair you can only consider what HE paid for it. Somehow his problem of paying about 20k for his camaro has to be in his defense against something that has NOTHING to do with anything I said.

Seriously kid. Yes, cobras are nice. But I'd rather buy a LT1 for 5k and spend the other 20k in mods that would blow away your cobra.

Also, I don't care about how fast you were driving. A stock cobra with a SUPERCHARGER is only a little over a second faster than a stock LT1 without any forced induction going 0-60 and from every quarter mile run I see online and websites that have their times for all cars, their quarter miles is hardly over half a second faster. Just seems pretty sad, to be honest. But then again, I've never personally expected much out of a mustang.

But I understand why you are how you are. So, what do you consider the average quarter mile time for a stock cobra? Stock 03 cobras only have 390 HP, right? http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z12387/default.aspx



LOL, nice try I guess though. Seriously, a supercharged v8 with only 390 HP isn't that much to brag about. Especially considering you can save 15-20k and only need to gain 100-125 HP with a LT1 to have the same power and still be about 500 pounds lighter.


Why are we even talking? You dont even have an LS1 and I have already built my LS1 (they stopped making LT1's:cool2:) and gotten bored with it and replaced it with the Cobra. When you have 500whp and can trap 125mph, then you can talk. Until then just do your magazine racing. By the way my little s/c V8 only makes 750-800hp with a little bolt on, not 390. Whats that bad LT1 of your pushing these days?

You have not even moved on to LS1's yet.
500 lbs? Damn you need to get out more. They are 180lbs heavier and you loose 118 of that going live axle, gues who has that and another 78lb removed? You guess it, the Cobra that would eat your cars lunch no matter HOW much dough you wasted on that dream car of yours. WTF would want an LT1 worth 4K?

[N20LT4]

Not to mention that he's in denial now. He wants to talk about prices and which is the better bang for the buck and then to make it seem fair you can only consider what HE paid for it. Somehow his problem of paying about 20k for his camaro has to be in his defense against something that has NOTHING to do with anything I said.

Seriously kid. Yes, cobras are nice. But I'd rather buy a LT1 for 5k and spend the other 20k in mods that would blow away your cobra.

Also, I don't care about how fast you were driving. A stock cobra with a SUPERCHARGER is only a little over a second faster than a stock LT1 without any forced induction going 0-60 and from every quarter mile run I see online and websites that have their times for all cars, their quarter miles is hardly over half a second faster. Just seems pretty sad, to be honest. But then again, I've never personally expected much out of a mustang.

But I understand why you are how you are. So, what do you consider the average quarter mile time for a stock cobra? Stock 03 cobras only have 390 HP, right? http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z12387/default.aspx



LOL, nice try I guess though. Seriously, a supercharged v8 with only 390 HP isn't that much to brag about. Especially considering you can save 15-20k and only need to gain 100-125 HP with a LT1 to have the same power and still be about 500 pounds lighter.

Very good point(s) - Very good post!

[JayplaySS2]

Very good point(s) - Very good post!


Damn I thought you were smarter than internet racer. His car is only a few seconds slower than a stock Cobra.:coffee:

You guys cant even to begin to think LT1's are better in any way than an LS1 can you? Serriously? You guys get to race 99-04 Mustang GT's and 350Z's.

Here's a quick vid of my car for ya.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/2.8h/0/fe642ea6-5c61-4f78-ab82-98ce01497032.htm

[JayplaySS2]

N20LT4, I did see your videos and I must say I am impressed and have no problem admitting it. You have a hell of a built LT1. Great vids. I know that is not the normal LT1 by any means and Im confident you had a bit more than $6K in mods but that is besides the point, that is a hell of a perfromer and yes since you can get LT1 for less than $5K these days, whtever you put into it would probably be a great bang for the buck. I do give credit where it is due, GM, Ford or anybody. Keep up the good work.:thumbup:

[Mr. Luos]

Jayplay...do you have ET's with your current set-up?

[xinthenight]

Why are we even talking? You dont even have an LS1 and I have already built my LS1 (they stopped making LT1's:cool2:) and gotten bored with it and replaced it with the Cobra. When you have 500whp and can trap 125mph, then you can talk. Until then just do your magazine racing. By the way my little s/c V8 only makes 750-800hp with a little bolt on, not 390. Whats that bad LT1 of your pushing these days?

You have not even moved on to LS1's yet.
500 lbs? Damn you need to get out more. They are 180lbs heavier and you loose 118 of that going live axle, gues who has that and another 78lb removed? You guess it, the Cobra that would eat your cars lunch no matter HOW much dough you wasted on that dream car of yours. WTF would want an LT1 worth 4K?

Jesus kid, how stupid are you? I never said anything about owning a LS1 or tried to act like I own one or even USED one to argue with you. I've said LT1 the whole time. Yes, the LS1 is better, which would make it even BETTER for what I'm saying but since I do NOT own one I'm going with an LT1.

So your stock cobra makes 750-800 HP with a simple bolt on? How come you were going for 600-700 earlier, and how come mustang even advertised their 03 cobras even less than 400 HP? Oh...because you're a fanboy that knows more about the cars than the people that MADE them. I forgot, you're god.:thinkin:

So awsome, what bold on did you put on your cobra to make 350-400 HP? I really need to know, because you must be the ONLY one in the world that knows that amazing bold-on.

I don't have to own a Cobra to know the cost of the car and which could have more power for the money. Your car is 20k more, and only stock with 390 HP(as they advertised...why would they nock off 300 HP seeing as how the car was MEANT to have power to sell it?). I could go buy another LT1 for 5k, and make a gains of 125 HP without a supercharger for less than 5k and still have 10k for whatever I wanted. That's just the LT1. So stop arguing about one thing, and when proved wrong you go for something else. 25k for a stock car with only 390 HP from a SUPERCHARGER isn't anything to brag about. And no, that's not from a magazine, THEY advertised it at 390 HP.

Who would want a LT1 for 4k? I would, and most others would. Why pay 25k for a WHOPPING 390 hp car when you can spend 4-6k for the LT1 and only be about 115 HP away from the supercharged v8 the cobra has? Oh...just mustang fanboys I guess. Because as said above, it's easilly possible to make that 390 HP stock cobras have with less than 5k and still have 10k to do whatever you want.

Seriously, just face it. You paid 25k for 390 HP and ashamed of what a LT1/LS1 could do with that price.

[JayplaySS2]

Jayplay...do you have ET's with your current set-up?
Nope, only went a few times with my SS. All street racing since I got booted with my Camaro at 11.40's without a roll bar. A roll bar is mandatory for any 10.99 run and I know it will be a one run at his point for an hours drive. Street racing will just have to do for now. I have a buddy with a 10.80 GN that we play all the time.

[JayplaySS2]

Xinthenight, you just have no clue what any 600+rwhp is capable of. That is obvious. You make all GM guys, myself included embarassed. Its also obvious youre not familiar with advertised HP and drivetrain loss. You dont think LS1's have only 305hp do you, I know your magazine says that. Any LS1 will run 300+ to the wheel and Cobras will run 370+ to the wheel. Not sure how your math is but I assume its basic. Figure that at 15% loss.

[xinthenight]

Xinthenight, you just have no clue what any 600+rwhp is capable of. That is obvious. You make all GM guys, myself included embarassed. Its also obvious youre not familiar with advertised HP and drivetrain loss. You dont think LS1's have only 305hp do you, I know your magazine says that. Any LS1 will run 300+ to the wheel and Cobras will run 370+ to the wheel. Not sure how your math is but I assume its basic. Figure that at 15% loss.

Weird...how does that have ANYTHING to do with what I said? I said STOCK, not modded.

Do you know what modded means? If not, just a hint...it doesn't mean stock.

I love how you won't tell me that amazing single bold-on you did that made the stock 390 HP that Mustang advertised into a 750-800HP car.

[JayplaySS2]

Weird...how does that have ANYTHING to do with what I said? I said STOCK, not modded.

Do you know what modded means? If not, just a hint...it doesn't mean stock.

I love how you won't tell me that amazing single bold-on you did that made the stock 390 HP that Mustang advertised into a 750-800HP car.

Here kid, post #102. Kenne Bell products. Took less time to install than it took to install Long Tubes on my SS.
http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58760&page=6

Who has a stcok car anymore?
Look basic math for ya
300rwhp x .15% = 345 HP for the LS1's and THEY were created for 1 hp/ci.
370rwhp (some are as high as 385rwhp stock)
370rwhp x .15% = 425 HP from a 281 ci baby engine.

Mine, 650rwhp x .15% = 747 HP on pump gas old tune.

I know you are a cool guy, some how were are just bickering.:drivin:

[djvaly]

"370rwhp x .15% = 425 HP from a 281 ci baby engine."
it's not fair to compare this way unless you mention you have a s/c as well.
your 425hp is not all motor but has the s/c in the equation as well.

[JayplaySS2]

"370rwhp x .15% = 425 HP from a 281 ci baby engine."
it's not fair to compare this way unless you mention you have a s/c as well.
your 425hp is not all motor but has the s/c in the equation as well.

Life is not fair and street racing is not fair. Who said anything was fair in racing? I was just showing that 390 was advertised. Dont worry, 346's are larger than 281's and Cobras are a little heavier, not mine but usual Cobras. Thats why I look for FI LS1's since my power is almost double that of a stock Cobra.
Its all in good fun though.

In all actuality the eaton takes 60hp (more DT loss) to turn at 6K so that loss and the 425 would mean 485hp from 8lbs of boost from a 4.6 stock tune. Thats why the Twin Screws produce so much more power due to less parasitic loss from the blower it self. You gain 100rwhp at the SAME boost as stock with the KB. So that 370 x .15 = 425 with the eaton ends up being 470 x .15 = 540 HP 281 at 8-9lbs JUST from an efficient design, kinda like the LS1 heads vs LT1 heads. Thats what is impressive. The eaton HURTS in every aspect the Cobra.

[djvaly]

I was just saying that you left the s/c out of the equation. your proposition :
"370rwhp x .15% = 425 HP from a 281 ci baby engine."
is misleading unless you state the s/c is part of it :D

[JayplaySS2]

I was just saying that you left the s/c out of the equation. your proposition :
"370rwhp x .15% = 425 HP from a 281 ci baby engine."
is misleading unless you state the s/c is part of it :D

Oh yea, absolutely. The Cobra motors make around 300-320 w/o the S/C but they have nowhere near the curve of the LS1's N/A.

[djvaly]

true dat. :yup:

[Mr. Luos]

Blower or not....makes the power.

[djvaly]

run what you brought! :yup:

[JayplaySS2]

run what you brought! :yup:


That should be the first reply to ANY Cobra vs F-body post. Atleast we all have competition to enjoy.

[secondgearscratch]

so jayplay, with the set up you have, how much could you squeeze out of it still. it sounds like you are pretty conservative with it...not that 700 hp is conservative.

ive heard horror stories about the kb twin screw....how it can make upwards of 900.

true?? school me please, im intersted.

[JayplaySS2]

so jayplay, with the set up you have, how much could you squeeze out of it still. it sounds like you are pretty conservative with it...not that 700 hp is conservative.

ive heard horror stories about the kb twin screw....how it can make upwards of 900.

true?? school me please, im intersted.

I have 2 friends on Modularfords that run 25-26psi which is a lower pulley swap and reload seperate tune away and they run 704rwhp and 721rwhp. There are a few more but not sure of the numbers. Stock long blocks. Just the 2.8H blowers spun to 25 PSI. I am around 650-660 on pump gas and with 106 and 25psi will be around 710-730rwhp since I removed my KB inlet and ported it and rewelded it (common restriction above 800bhp). I also have a ported and polished lower intake where the blower sits.

Darksnake: "Finally hit on the right combo on my 2.8. Went to 3.5" upper with 6lb lower on completly stock motor/heads and we got 703 RWHP and 645 RWTQ!! This thing is going to be a monster with ported heads and cams!!"
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=352103

Another one. 721rwhp.
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/f17/2-8h-kb-26psi-721whp-76289.html




The biggest problem is in the tune. All you need are a KB boost a pump, a fuel pump amplifier and 62LB injectors. Thats good for 700whp. Very easy actually. Good tune and there are zero problems. SOme guys run mail order tunes that are fine for N/A but not for FI. My car was tuned by Hermann from Horsepower by Hermann, one of the BEST tuners awarded by SCT themselves. I am able to run WOT all day with zero issues. My car is very conservative and I dont even have headers. Very fun car and easy to do. Removing the IRS was the biggest improvement though, saved 118lbs and made the car hook better and it feels downright violent in 2nd gear when it hooks. The 2.8's have made just over 1000fwhp recently and very common for 900fwhp but the tune and fuel octane are so important. WHen I had a ported eaton I thought it was fast with 540rwhp and Amazon doing the tuning, now its like that AND a 100 shot at any rpm. Traction is a huge issue and I sheared my trans input shaft into two peices. All in good fun.

I will have another LSX though, they are the best design for N/A and FI so far but Ford did a hell of a job with the Cobra, if they had only had a T/S (twin screw) blower from the factory. Wish GM would produce a Forged Engine option.


As soon as I win the lotto, its yours man. Bolt some slicks and launch at 5K and it will break a 9 at 140mph as long as you dont break anything.

One of the guys (Buster) just made 999 rwhp from a turbo on a totally stock long block. KB's take less power to spin than an eaton but a turbo is where its really at.
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/f134/stock-motor-33-psi-999-7-a-89873.html

Here is my buddy Scott with a 302 stroker but we are at the same boost and he makes 675 but there was close to 20rwhp from the stroker on the dyno. He does not have the welded and ported inlet though worth a few ponies, sometimes as much as 20rwhp.
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/f17/new-2-8h-dyno-numbers-83726.html

[secondgearscratch]

I have 2 friends on Modularfords that run 25-26psi which is a lower pulley swap and reload seperate tune away and they run 704rwhp and 726rwhp. There are a few more but not sure of the numbers. Stock long blocks. Just the 2.8H blowers spun to 25 PSI. I am around 650-660 on pump gas and with 106 and 25psi will be around 710-730rwhp since I removed my KB inlet and ported it and rewelded it (common restriction above 800bhp). I also have a ported and polished lower intake where the blower sits.

The biggest problem is in the tune. All you need are a KB boost a pump, a fuel pump amplifier and 62LB injectors. Thats good for 700whp. Very easy actually. Good tune and there are zero problems. SOme guys run mail order tunes that are fine for N/A but not for FI. My car was tuned by Hermann from Horsepower by Hermann, one of the BEST tuners awarded by SCT themselves. I am able to run WOT all day with zero issues. My car is very conservative and I dont even have headers. Very fun car and easy to do. Removing the IRS was the biggest improvement though, saved 118lbs and made the car hook better and it feels downright violent in 2nd gear when it hooks. The 2.8's have made just over 1000fwhp recently and very common for 900fwhp but the tune and fuel octane are so important. WHen I had a ported eaton I thought it was fast with 540rwhp and Amazon doing the tuning, now its like that AND a 100 shot at any rpm. Traction is a huge issue and I sheared my trans input shaft into two peices. All in good fun.

I will have another LSX though, they are the best design for N/A and FI so far but Ford did a hell of a job with the Cobra, if they had only had a T/S (twin screw) blower from the factory. Wish GM would produce a Forged Engine option. :drivin:

As soon as I win the lotto, its yours man. Bolt some slicks and launch at 5K and it should break a 9 at 140mph as long as you dont break anything.

One of the guys (Buster) just made 999 rwhp from a turbo on a totally stock long block. KB's take less power to spin than an eaton but a turbo is where its really at.
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/f134/stock-motor-33-psi-999-7-a-89873.html

i was just reading on kenne bell's website and i have no idea they started out racing and building turbo bufords, thats amazing! they are really something special and im intrigued with their efficiency and power, especially atop such a small cubed v8 such as the 4v. crazy shit to say the least.

i emailed kenne bell, as im sure most have, about the probability of producing an f body specific kit and what would be needed. i read many threads on tech about this very thing and was somewhat shocked to find out that the damn blower is nearly 10 inches tall! thats serious man! every time i look at how far back the motor is in my z i cringe a bit, because everythings a bitch to get to, and you would have to severely hack into the windshield, fire wall, and dash to mount a blower up there. damn shame.

i was also suprised at how reasonable the kb packages are, and for 6 grand i think thats a pretty good deal with most front mounted turbo kits easily running that nowadays. im not an sts kinda guy, ive had a turbo car and there is so much shit to worry about as it is i would be paranoid about the system reaching back that far away from the motor, primarily the return line.

those numbers you gave are incredible, and damn do i want a cobra all the more! they just look great and perform well. wish i could have both, so win the lotto! but seriously, i cant believe how well those modulars like boost.

i cant believe you dont have headers! thats funny as hell but impressive for the power you have. seen alot of cobras with the bbk 5/8s... so the ported eaton got you 549...gd damn!

i really hope to god kenne bell answers my question...

thanks man for all the info and the pics! bad to the bone!

[Mr. Luos]

since I got booted with my Camaro at 11.40's without a roll bar.
I would be looking at the same problem when I run off the mountain for the first time.
Altitude kills me (5800), but it still should run 11.75 here. Bandimere is a great track though. :yup:
Best so far is 11.97 at 117.59. Since added a little power and am still learning the car.

I seem to run even ET's and traps as most KB Cobra's. Although set-ups obviously vary.
Oh....N/A here.

[JayplaySS2]

i was just reading on kenne bell's website and i have no idea they started out racing and building turbo bufords, thats amazing! they are really something special and im intrigued with their efficiency and power, especially atop such a small cubed v8 such as the 4v. crazy shit to say the least.

i emailed kenne bell, as im sure most have, about the probability of producing an f body specific kit and what would be needed. i read many threads on tech about this very thing and was somewhat shocked to find out that the damn blower is nearly 10 inches tall! thats serious man! every time i look at how far back the motor is in my z i cringe a bit, because everythings a bitch to get to, and you would have to severely hack into the windshield, fire wall, and dash to mount a blower up there. damn shame.

i was also suprised at how reasonable the kb packages are, and for 6 grand i think thats a pretty good deal with most front mounted turbo kits easily running that nowadays. im not an sts kinda guy, ive had a turbo car and there is so much shit to worry about as it is i would be paranoid about the system reaching back that far away from the motor, primarily the return line.

those numbers you gave are incredible, and damn do i want a cobra all the more! they just look great and perform well. wish i could have both, so win the lotto! but seriously, i cant believe how well those modulars like boost.

i cant believe you dont have headers! thats funny as hell but impressive for the power you have. seen alot of cobras with the bbk 5/8s... so the ported eaton got you 549...gd damn!

i really hope to god kenne bell answers my question...

thanks man for all the info and the pics! bad to the bone!

The 2.8's are being put on Vettes but nobody makes an F-body kit. This is exactly what I wanted to do with my SS but the cowl is in the way. A new hood is easy to get but cutting the cowl is another story but doable. On LS1tech there is a guy doint this as a kit and was looking for donor F-bodies. Forged bottom end and 17lbs of KB boost on an LS1 would be pure JOY!

James at KB takes forever to answer emails. There is an Austrailian twin turbo set up for F-bodies on LS1tech too, 6K I believe. I cant stand STS, my buddy has it and it hangs so low and the filter is at the back and he has one exhaust pipe from the rear. Looks retarded really. Ill keep my eyes open for updates on the KB. There was also a guy with the Whipple 3.3 unit on a C5!
http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=760625

[JayplaySS2]

I would be looking at the same problem when I run off the mountain for the first time.
Altitude kills me (5800), but it still should run 11.75 here. Bandimere is a great track though. :yup:
Best so far is 11.97 at 117.59. Since added a little power and am still learning the car.

I seem to run even ET's and traps as most KB Cobra's. Although set-ups obviously vary.
Oh....N/A here.

Yea its all about air in and air out really. Ive seen my own SS trap 121 N/A but thats pretty slow, then I couldnt run it on the NOS but Im sure it would be 127ish. Ive seen stroker LSX's trap 125-130 and Ive seen most KB cars run 125-140 and anywhere in between. Im sure a stroker LSX is a fun ride! You will run 127+ at sea level.

[Mr. Luos]

Im sure a stroker LSX is a fun ride!
Hell...it is pretty fun even for the altitude.
Anything that traps better than 115MPH is fast for a street car to me.
Still working on finding every last pony out of the set-up, but it has been hard to lately.
Looking for about 550RWHP SAE next season. And solidly in the 11's here.

[Frost]

There are some things here that need clearing up:

You DONT need heads cam and fast 90 to clear 420rwhp anymore. Sorry... I have cracked that number twice this month on the dyno with 2 cam only cars with stock ls6 intakes. Both cars had QTP headers and both had the tried and true g5x3.

The guy talking about his brother's car making 462 @ 8psi... something is wrong there. On a 101 degree day recently I made north of 550rwhp on a stock LS6 (04 Z06) with headers and 7.5psi

My own car made over 600rwhp @ 10psi and I have an 8.5:1 engine... I haven't had it back on the dyno but I run 16-16.5psi on the street on pump and meth. Care to take a guess what it makes at this level? :)

Oh, and the cars I was referring to can be seen here so you know this isn't hot air that I'm blowing: http://www.lsxtune.com/gallery.htm

[mrr23]

The 2.8's are being put on Vettes but nobody makes an F-body kit. This is exactly what I wanted to do with my SS but the cowl is in the way. A new hood is easy to get but cutting the cowl is another story but doable. On LS1tech there is a guy doint this as a kit and was looking for donor F-bodies. Forged bottom end and 17lbs of KB boost on an LS1 would be pure JOY!

http://lmspeed.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2
lmspeed makes a kit for the f-bodies, using the GTO maggie

[camarojunky74]

thats so sick, cobras beware judgement day is coming and your reaper is wearing a bow tie!

[djvaly]

There are some things here that need clearing up:

You DONT need heads cam and fast 90 to clear 420rwhp anymore. Sorry... I have cracked that number twice this month on the dyno with 2 cam only cars with stock ls6 intakes. Both cars had QTP headers and both had the tried and true g5x3.

can you please post the dyno for us. thanks. also A4 for M6?

[Frost]

can you please post the dyno for us. thanks. also A4 for M6?

The owners have the printouts, but I should see one of them on Friday at the track and I know his sheet is in his console. I can snap a pic of the graph with my digi-cam.

The car that I should be able to get the printout for is an 02 M6 WS6, QTPs with dual cutouts, and g5X3 on a 114lsa. The car put down 409 rwhp 6+ months ago and had an UD pulley added, ported TB, and aftermarket MAF. After the retune (mostly for the MAF) it made 422rwhp.

Another guy who is a pretty good buddy with (also) an 02 M6 WS6 with a VERY similar setup made like identical numbers... QTPs, SLP MAF, g5x3, stock TB and stock pulley also made 409rwhp. I can likely get his graph too.

That cam is 'old' by today's standards but damn, it always makes good power and it's always easy to tune and it HITS. :yup:

I tuned an 01SS with that cam and a set of MTI stg2R heads on the street with a wideband for a guy that doesn't care about dyno numbers, just track times and the car ended going 11.3x at like 122.7mph (M6!) .... here is a link to the thread on ls1tech and an idle video of the car as well (owner has a pic on pg2 with a nice launch): http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=730532

[djvaly]

The owners have the printouts, but I should see one of them on Friday at the track and I know his sheet is in his console. I can snap a pic of the graph with my digi-cam.

The car that I should be able to get the printout for is an 02 M6 WS6, QTPs with dual cutouts, and g5X3 on a 114lsa. The car put down 409 rwhp 6+ months ago and had an UD pulley added, ported TB, and aftermarket MAF. After the retune (mostly for the MAF) it made 422rwhp.



yeah the pulley and ported TB was the missing 10-12rwhp that I was looking for, plus M6. yeah you don't need heads to get 420rwhp if you got all that you mentioned with a tune. no need for the dyno chart, you've gave me the additional info I needed. thanks,
back to "Cobra" subject gentlemen. :D

[JayplaySS2]

thats so sick, cobras beware judgement day is coming and your reaper is wearing a bow tie!

:goodluck: Its a Maggie, not a twin screw.

[N20LT4]

:goodluck: Its a Maggie, not a twin screw.

Good Luck...I think your gonna need it!

[camarojunky74]

itsa also a ls1 not a 32valve!:jerkit:

good luck to you kind sir:rock:
:yum: i love me some cobras in the morning.

this is all here nor there until one of us coughs up 6k for the blower and forges our bottom end,

[ggino85]

:hide:i was just reading this post and if all it would cost is 6,000 to supercharge a maro then i would definiteley do i but the truth is fellas and dont hate me for saying it, but it would cost a heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll of alot of $ to s/c a camaro. you would need new pushrods for sure, a new stronger rearend, forge the bottom end, you add up all that and then add 6,000, plus all all the labor. thats a lot off money fellas. and there's probably stuff i left out.:hide:

[camarojunky74]

your right about the money thing, for sure, but... it would be bad ass lol

and when you love something really love it like my camaros, you take the bad with the good and keep on truckin,

yeah i know your buyin a termi ggino, thats gonna be sick when you get it i cant wait to hear about it or maybe see it, lol i dont critisize you for turning to the dark side,

im a horsepower whore so who knows maybe one day ill buy a termi , till then my 3 camaros keep up with traffic just fine

[secondgearscratch]

wait a minute, it would only cost more if you wanted to run a good amount of boost, and obviously you would, im just antagonizing a bit.

you could procharge a camaro and run about ~7-8 psi with stock internals and make 450+ hp if you so choose. anything more and you'd want some stronger parts.

[JayplaySS2]

:hide:i was just reading this post and if all it would cost is 6,000 to supercharge a maro then i would definiteley do i but the truth is fellas and dont hate me for saying it, but it would cost a heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllll of alot of $ to s/c a camaro. you would need new pushrods for sure, a new stronger rearend, forge the bottom end, you add up all that and then add 6,000, plus all all the labor. thats a lot off money fellas. and there's probably stuff i left out.:hide:

Yep. I should have kept my SS and installed a 408 AND a twin turbo set up. Then 650rwhp would feel boring. I want 800-1000rwhp, really. I might buy a C6 and add a turbo. So many choices these days. Look at the new GM mag and see all the crate engines! DAMN. 454 LSX and twin turbos, all Im gonna say.:wave:

Dont get me wrong, I do love my Cobra.

[JayplaySS2]

Good Luck...I think your gonna need it!

Hey N20LT4, in the GMHT mag there is a 10sec LT1 T/A running 10's. Good read.
:zoom:

[camarojunky74]

what does everyone think about the new shelby gt500?? yay or nay?

[djvaly]

what does everyone think about the new shelby gt500?? yay or nay?

please open a thread on it. you're going off the subject. thanks.

[mrr23]

Hey N20LT4, in the GMHT mag there is a 10sec LT1 T/A running 10's. Good read.
:zoom:

wow a 10sec LT1 T/A running 10's?? thank goodness it's not a 9sec LT1 T/A running 10s.....

[camarojunky74]

please open a thread on it. you're going off the subject. thanks.


??????????????????????

[Mr. Luos]

what does everyone think about the new shelby gt500?? yay or nay?
Nay.

Fat pig. Great potential though.

[N20LT4]

Hey N20LT4, in the GMHT mag there is a 10sec LT1 T/A running 10's. Good read.
:zoom:

Wow. Is that in the latest issue? I gotta renew my subscription.

The fastest Naturally Aspirated LT1 belongs to Joe Overton and has gone a best of 9.36@143 on stock type suspension with a 388-cube, AFR 227 LT4's and solid-roller - once again, no power adder. Now that's fast!

[camarojunky74]

Nay.

Fat pig. Great potential though.

im on your side, its a pos

[lemons12]

nice comeback on the glad its not a 9 sec running 10s lol.. that was funny... but anyways... dont know if anyone caught this.. i didnt read all 6 pgs or whatever... but ummm someone said something about comparing a z06 and a cobra r.... cobra rs arent all they were cracked up to be... not that much faster at all than a stock ls... "race car" wow... strip an ls1 and build it a little.. hmmm... no matter what until ford gets some displacement... they will never compare... o and a 03-04....what are 25 grand or so... you get an ls1 for 10 grand(good cond) supercharge it(guestimating high) 7 grand you got a 17 grand car smoking the hell out of a 25 grand car... NO REPLACEMENT.... no not even s/c.... FOR DISPLACEMENT.... (not trying to fight, termys were one of the best stangs built... and very fast.... but this is the subject.... so ):goodluck:

[ggino85]

your right about the money thing, for sure, but... it would be bad ass lol

and when you love something really love it like my camaros, you take the bad with the good and keep on truckin,

yeah i know your buyin a termi ggino, thats gonna be sick when you get it i cant wait to hear about it or maybe see it, lol i dont critisize you for turning to the dark side,

im a horsepower whore so who knows maybe one day ill buy a termi , till then my 3 camaros keep up with traffic just fine

lol:zoom yeah im slut for horsepower 2, which is the main reason im going for the terminator, u cant argue with its capabilities. the only other thing i was thinking was to get a SS with a lot of miles and do an engine swap(stroked 402 ls2 or something), the only problem with that is there isnt a really reliable place around here that i know of that can do that kinda thing.(and that'll probably cost more than the cobra)

[camarojunky74]

yeah you cant have cheap fast and relaible, you gotta pick 2,
choose wisely

[JayplaySS2]

nice comeback on the glad its not a 9 sec running 10s lol.. that was funny... but anyways... dont know if anyone caught this.. i didnt read all 6 pgs or whatever... but ummm someone said something about comparing a z06 and a cobra r.... cobra rs arent all they were cracked up to be... not that much faster at all than a stock ls... "race car" wow... strip an ls1 and build it a little.. hmmm... no matter what until ford gets some displacement... they will never compare... o and a 03-04....what are 25 grand or so... you get an ls1 for 10 grand(good cond) supercharge it(guestimating high) 7 grand you got a 17 grand car smoking the hell out of a 25 grand car... NO REPLACEMENT.... no not even s/c.... FOR DISPLACEMENT.... (not trying to fight, termys were one of the best stangs built... and very fast.... but this is the subject.... so ):goodluck:


My buddies $10K (exactly $10K) Z28 with 58K on it is about to get a Procharger installed for $7900 from D'agostino racing and it will make around 470rwhp. It still needs a rear, stall, trans, few suspension mods atleast and he does have a NOS wet kit in the box for me to install in addition to that. Thats and easy $25K which is what I am about to sell my car for (whenever I decide to list it)......my Cobra will walk his car even when he is done so $25K is a bargin for 700+rwhp and all the good traits of a 30K mile car with new car smell still. Low milage SS' and WS6's with 30K are going for 20K these days.

It is nice to find an LS1 for $5-10K but some people ENJOY having an actual $30K 10sec car.

[djvaly]

I enjoy fast cars :D but LSx based.

[JayplaySS2]

yeah you cant have cheap fast and relaible, you gotta pick 2,
choose wisely

Sure you can. An 03-04 Cobra can be financed still and you can pick up a KB Cobra for $24-28K and a measly $450/month and in a few years sell it for what you bought it for, they will hold thier value since they are so few. With a dyno run to check the tune you can run it with few if any problems such as my car. 3 years and all Ive had go bad was 2 alternators.

Thats cheap, fast AND reliable. Hell I take it on 8 hr road trips to GA, get the groceries AND street race. Still drives and smells like new too!:D

[mrr23]

It is nice to find an LS1 for $5-10K but some people ENJOY having an actual $30K 10sec car.

i sure do

[djvaly]

still looks like an upgraded moosetongue no offense there. I'll take LS1 or LS2 anytime.

[JayplaySS2]

wow a 10sec LT1 T/A running 10's?? thank goodness it's not a 9sec LT1 T/A running 10s.....


I sense your sarcasim but it was for N20LT4 (hence the N20LT4) since we were just talking about 10 sec N/A LT1's.

[JayplaySS2]

still looks like an upgraded moosetongue no offense there. I'll take LS1 or LS2 anytime.


FI LS7 only for me, thanks.:whistle:

[mrr23]

I sense your sarcasim but it was for N20LT4 (hence the N20LT4) since we were just talking about 10 sec N/A LT1's.

just call me captain obvious.

[djvaly]

FI LS7 only for me, thanks.:whistle:

I like it too. :hasquint:

[JayplaySS2]

what does everyone think about the new shelby gt500?? yay or nay?

I dont like them, I dont like the 64 Mustang either and they DO have MAJOR potential going to 800+rwhp with only a KB install and tune but its still 3900lbs. 3400lbs and 800rwhp would be MUCH better, and if it looked like an 03 Cobra too.

[djvaly]

??????????????????????

just playing with ya. :coffee:
good engine but 3900lbs? no thanks...

[JayplaySS2]

I like it too. :hasquint:


I went to Chevrolet today and they had 3 (1) new 2006 and (2) new 2007 Z06's. I have NO idea whay they are not selling! Im sure the LS3 will also make them sit a little longer and lower the entry price. What will used ones be in 6 months to a year? :hasquint:

[djvaly]

off subject, but I saw an LS3 with LG longtubes, cam and tune 500rwhp :woot:

[JayplaySS2]

off subject, but I saw an LS3 with LG longtubes, cam and tune 500rwhp :woot:


Exactly, I hope that ALONE will bring Z06's down a bit! I think 600-700rwhp in a C6 Z06 should be competent for a few years.

Then the Corvette SS, damn I hope to see Z06's for $45-50K

[djvaly]

I think we're done with this thread eh, we all agree to upgarde to Z06? :D :lock:

[N20LT4]

Sure you can. An 03-04 Cobra can be financed still and you can pick up a KB Cobra for $24-28K and a measly $450/month and in a few years sell it for what you bought it for, they will hold thier value since they are so few. With a dyno run to check the tune you can run it with few if any problems such as my car. 3 years and all Ive had go bad was 2 alternators.

Thats cheap, fast AND reliable. Hell I take it on 8 hr road trips to GA, get the groceries AND street race. Still drives and smells like new too!:D

First off Jayplay, there's a vid on Street Fire of a KB Cobra that blew a rod to pieces. That car was pushing 600rw as the video said. I have to use a video as an example since all of my folks are GM Die Hards. Cars are unpredictable, and any car pushing copious amounts of horsepower is subject to failure - No matter what kind of car it is, Ford or Chevy.

As far as financing a Cobra, remember with financing comes intrest, and it is only fair that it can be argued that you can pick up an F-body for much cheaper that what a person has paid for their Mustang, get a LQ9 block for dirt cheap, forge it, run a power adder, grab all the neccesities, and have a car just as powerful if not more powerful for a cheaper sum. I admit the KB upgrade gives an excellent gain for only 6 grand, but look at the initial price of the car- there's the big difference that I believe is being overlooked.

And just for kicks, the car I showed you in the video could be driven on the highway, taken to the grocery story, and raced. That's what any real street car is about. If you can't do that, then it's not a real street car.

[mrr23]

this is starting to get old.

[N20LT4]

Not to us guys

[Frost]

My buddies $10K (exactly $10K) Z28 with 58K on it is about to get a Procharger installed for $7900 from D'agostino racing and it will make around 470rwhp. It still needs a rear, stall, trans, few suspension mods atleast and he does have a NOS wet kit in the box for me to install in addition to that. Thats and easy $25K which is what I am about to sell my car for (whenever I decide to list it)......my Cobra will walk his car even when he is done so $25K is a bargin for 700+rwhp and all the good traits of a 30K mile car with new car smell still. Low milage SS' and WS6's with 30K are going for 20K these days.

It is nice to find an LS1 for $5-10K but some people ENJOY having an actual $30K 10sec car.


Dude that car with just headers will make 470 with a 6lb pulley... why not run the nine and put it into the 500s? It's only a pulley...

[slims00ls1z28]

I'm still hoping that Chevy will make a LS9 (detuned or not) available in the New Camaro. I don't care if its a special version or not that would be a Termy Camaro. Finally a GM motor built for boost. Another thing to watch for is the new Caddy cts-v with a detuned LS9 and 550 HP. Can anyone say termy Caddy?

I applaud Fords initiative with the terminators, Lightnings and the GT. Factory FI is what I have wanted for years. Being a die hard Bowtie fanatic I love the Termies but could not pull myself around to owning one :D.

I couldn't help but to respond to the beating on the LT1's. They my be a little outdated but they are still viable. Hell in the 07 PGD's there is a 96 Impala in the 9's with one. 4400 lb 9 second beast.

I know 700-800 hp Termys on bottom ends but what about the higher end of the spectrum? I'm sure there's mod motors in the 1K region?

[camarojunky74]

Sure you can. An 03-04 Cobra can be financed still and you can pick up a KB Cobra for $24-28K and a measly $450/month and in a few years sell it for what you bought it for, they will hold thier value since they are so few. With a dyno run to check the tune you can run it with few if any problems such as my car. 3 years and all Ive had go bad was 2 alternators.

Thats cheap, fast AND reliable. Hell I take it on 8 hr road trips to GA, get the groceries AND street race. Still drives and smells like new too!:D

bro, i dunno what your talking about, but i know a few people with corbras from pulleys to kb's, and no joke under warranty only like 10k on the motor it droppped a valve, my other buddy with the kb blew a rod out the side of his block racing some vette, and i read up on all the tsb and recalls, and there is a tsb about the 32 valve spinning rod bearings, sooo....
dont tell me that your car is reliable
a. along with the 25k sticker comes and outrageous insurance bill, and yearly registration. cheap huh? think again
b. no car pushed 300horsepower over stock is reliable, the bottom end nor the drivetrain.

[camarojunky74]

so far your car isnt cheap and its not reliable, maybe your is just lucky but others are not.

[JayplaySS2]

First off Jayplay, there's a vid on Street Fire of a KB Cobra that blew a rod to pieces. That car was pushing 600rw as the video said. I have to use a video as an example since all of my folks are GM Die Hards. Cars are unpredictable, and any car pushing copious amounts of horsepower is subject to failure - No matter what kind of car it is, Ford or Chevy.

As far as financing a Cobra, remember with financing comes intrest, and it is only fair that it can be argued that you can pick up an F-body for much cheaper that what a person has paid for their Mustang, get a LQ9 block for dirt cheap, forge it, run a power adder, grab all the neccesities, and have a car just as powerful if not more powerful for a cheaper sum. I admit the KB upgrade gives an excellent gain for only 6 grand, but look at the initial price of the car- there's the big difference that I believe is being overlooked.

And just for kicks, the car I showed you in the video could be driven on the highway, taken to the grocery story, and raced. That's what any real street car is about. If you can't do that, then it's not a real street car.

I agree in many ways but like I said before I want a nice, mint car not a 10K F-body. Now I wouldnt mind a low milage WS6 for a DD but then at $19-22K but slow as a turd (here is a decent one http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2001-TRANS-AM-WS6-RAM-AIR-6-SPEED-BLACK-BLACK-27K-MILES_W0QQitemZ230166172083QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6427 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
and then to get that car to 550-600rwhp is a ton of money and time. That advantage would be a Cobra BY FAR. So the money for a newer car is stupid to argue. Yea you can go out and find a 98 F-bod that only needs a whole new engine, trans and rear but then damn it still has XXX,XXX miles and for what? Give me a low milage F-bod anyday compared to a wornout one. My SS when I sold it had 90K and it held up ok but getting into a Cobra with 24K on it was a dream, since its newer and fresh. Money can easily buy power but not the mint qualities of a low milage car.