Vid: Stock LS1 Slaughters GT500 Cobra

[Black R/A]

Amazing. 10 years later this little engine is still able to beat the best Ford's got. Not sure if this has been posted here before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-7jG-qImuQ&mode=related&search=

[stickinpcb]

no way that trans am is stock running 13 flat

[Black R/A]

no way that trans am is stock running 13 flat

They've been running 12.9-13.5 since they came out dude. Where you been?

[Mr. Luos]

Notice the trap speed of the GT500.
If it had a decent driver, the GT500 would have beaten the F-Body badly. But to his defense (kinda)...not exactly easy hooking up 440 RWHP on street tires.

[2000T/A Guru]

I have seen a couple new cobras run and most people on street tires run 12.5-12.8, there not that fast.

[Lawnman]

Maybe that video was at altitude ? That might explain the times.

[EE1983]

Wow what a slaughter, beating my that huge margin of 0.01 :ughlaugh:

[Mr. Luos]

I have seen a couple new cobras run and most people on street tires run 12.5-12.8, there not that fast.
Sounds pretty freaking quick outta the box to me.

[N20LT4]

no way that trans am is stock running 13 flat

It's funny how out of the few F-body forums I visit, this is the only one i've seen where guys think it's impossible for a stock F-body to go 13-flats. For gosh sakes Evan Smith, who is a long time editor of probably the biggest FORD performance enthusiast magazine "MM&FF" wen't 12.89@108 in a bone-stock 2002 SS. I've personally seen a hardtop WS6 go 13.0@108.0 and a SS vert go 13.19.

[Mr. Luos]

Yummy....hardtop WS.6.

[shady milkman]

Yummy....hardtop WS.6.

x3 :drool:

[JayplaySS2]

Amazing. 10 years later this little engine is still able to beat the best Ford's got. Not sure if this has been posted here before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-7jG-qImuQ&mode=related&search=

You are ignorant. You know what 60fts and traps are for right? The guy driving that was very passive, I bet he launched at idle almost. Try some seat time on the Shelby for the driver, (probably an older guy who doesnt care about times) and watch them be 12.50's or better stock at 115+mph.

[BLKCLOUD]

LOL...ya'll are lusting after hardtops....I'm wishing I could have T-tops in my Cobra. :)

[BLKCLOUD]

Oh....Stock motored Cobra slaughters modified WS6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjqVPl6KDa8)

Gotta get into the spirit of things.... ;)

[Black R/A]

You are ignorant. You know what 60fts and traps are for right? The guy driving that was very passive, I bet he launched at idle almost. Try some seat time on the Shelby for the driver, (probably an older guy who doesnt care about times) and watch them be 12.50's or better stock at 115+mph.

Did I say the Cobra couldn't do better? I'm well aware that it's capable of 12.5s. But that's only .5 better than an nicely driven stock LS1. That's life buddy, no use crying. :)

[Mr. Luos]

Oh....Stock motored Cobra slaughters modified WS6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjqVPl6KDa8)

Gotta get into the spirit of things.... ;)
Alright....give me a little time and I will get some videos up. :D

[Zboner]

and it was an LT1

[JayplaySS2]

Did I say the Cobra couldn't do better? I'm well aware that it's capable of 12.5s. But that's only .5 better than an nicely driven stock LS1. That's life buddy, no use crying. :)


Its only .5 and 7-10 mph! You kill me. :devil:

[JayplaySS2]

Oh....Stock motored Cobra slaughters modified WS6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjqVPl6KDa8)

Gotta get into the spirit of things.... ;)


Perfect example! Thanks Blkcloud. Hey R/A theres your .5 right there! :ughlaugh:

[Zboner]

im willing to bet the cobra driver does not have much seat time in that car

[JayplaySS2]

Good vid.

KB Cobra vs C5Z06 with Z06 getting the hit.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/d1d12457-efab-484f-bdfc-997a002d5458.htm

[JayplaySS2]

im willing to bet the cobra driver does not have much seat time in that car

You sir are a wise man. :cheers:

[JayplaySS2]

Another good 383 LS1/ full bolt on w/nos vs KB
http://vettefbodyvideo.vidiac.com/video/1c1dda35-3760-4aff-8b3d-989a009e5b40.htm

Here is the last and all time best KB comp vid with I think Godsmack.
http://mustangvideo.vidiac.com/recentvideos/6/d4c4ce85-f72d-4e55-9a73-9871016e36a9.htm

[Mr. Luos]

From what I have seen...I am VERY close to most KB Cobra's. Haven't actually gotten to line up with one though. Most around here throw a 75-100 shot at it as well....and then my little all motor car can't hang.

Off the bottle, the KB Cobra's ET's are dead even with mine.

[TrickStang37]

i wouldnt call that a slaughter, but whos LS1 is that? how do we know its stock?

[N20LT4]

Oh....Stock motored Cobra slaughters modified WS6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjqVPl6KDa8)

Gotta get into the spirit of things.... ;)

BLKCLOUD I'm just interested in what you got in your Cobra when it was "stock motored" - that is, before the RECALL ofcourse. Guys in my town were getting mid-14's @ 99, what about you? No pun, Just curious...

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

Oh....Stock motored Cobra slaughters modified WS6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjqVPl6KDa8)

Gotta get into the spirit of things.... ;)

So stock 99 cobras run 11.9 at 112 now huh:jerkit:

[N20LT4]

You are ignorant. You know what 60fts and traps are for right? The guy driving that was very passive, I bet he launched at idle almost. Try some seat time on the Shelby for the driver, (probably an older guy who doesnt care about times) and watch them be 12.50's or better stock at 115+mph.

Ignorant is such a harsh word. The quickest out of a stock Shelby GT was Evan Smith's 12.3 run. On average we all know these cars are mid to high 12's. Seems respectable, that is until you figure in the cars rating of 500hp. The 4100-4200lb. curb weight is the downfall, and despite rated @ a whopping 100 hp more than the base vette, a Z51 M6 will run right with it in the straight, and destroy it in the twisties, for thousands less. Once again Ford goes blower to compete with GM's N/A car.

[blue02Z]

So stock 99 cobras run 11.9 at 112 now huh:jerkit:

:iagree: :lmao:

[blue02Z]

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[JayplaySS2]

Ignorant is such a harsh word. The quickest out of a stock Shelby GT was Evan Smith's 12.3 run. On average we all know these cars are mid to high 12's. Seems respectable, that is until you figure in the cars rating of 500hp. The 4100-4200lb. curb weight is the downfall, and despite rated @ a whopping 100 hp more than the base vette, a Z51 M6 will run right with it in the straight, and destroy it in the twisties, for thousands less. Once again Ford goes blower to compete with GM's N/A car.


Actually I dont even like Shelby's and I agree with you but you would also be crazy to say its not damn impressive that a 2.8kb on the new Shelby's make 800rwhp. No other mods. Thats insane.

Like saying 400+rwhp with only h/c LS1 is not impressive would be ignorant as well. Blowers dont matter at all. We are talking power here. You can make it in only a few ways. Do you complain when you see top fuel cars with blowers? Hell no, they are awesome. Blower = more power. that simple. If you have a smaller engine, you need extra air. Nothing unusual about that.

You need FI (Nos/Procharger/turbo) on an LS1 to play with modded FI Cobra with a very small engine. Thats even worse.

[Redegal]

So stock 99 cobras run 11.9 at 112 now huh:jerkit:

yep

[jrc1122]

So stock 99 cobras run 11.9 at 112 now huh:jerkit:

i was wondering the same thing....lol

[Redegal]

Once again Ford goes blower to compete with GM's N/A car.
That's kind of what I was thinking but I have no room to talk. :ughlaugh:

Also, look at the new C6 Vette. They got over 400HP out of an N/A engine and have been known to run high 11's stock.

[secondgearscratch]

this video proved nothing except one driver got a better launch

108 vs. 113 trap speed...who do you think is really gonna win?

[N20LT4]

Actually I dont even like Shelby's and I agree with you but you would also be crazy to say its not damn impressive that a 2.8kb on the new Shelby's make 800rwhp. No other mods. Thats insane.

Like saying 400+rwhp with only h/c LS1 is not impressive would be ignorant as well. Blowers dont matter at all. We are talking power here. You can make it in only a few ways. Do you complain when you see top fuel cars with blowers? Hell no, they are awesome. Blower = more power. that simple. If you have a smaller engine, you need extra air. Nothing unusual about that.

You need FI (Nos/Procharger/turbo) on an LS1 to play with modded FI Cobra with a very small engine. Thats even worse.

Hey don't forget were talkin' GT500 here -- not '03-'04 Cobra. 5.4-liters is not that much smaller than what GM is running. Second, you don't see top fuel cars driving around on the streets. If they did then trust me I would be complaining. And your comment that "Blowers don't matter at all" IS very ignorant. Since when has a supercharger become just a bolt-on??? :drunk:

[N20LT4]

this video proved nothing except one driver got a better launch

108 vs. 113 trap speed...who do you think is really gonna win?

Hey I say forget about the Mustang and good run for the F-body.

N20LT4<-----GM DIE HARD

[BLKCLOUD]

I'm pretty sure nobody said stock 99 Cobras run 11.9s @ 112.

N2OLT4....I only ran my 99 twice when 100% bone stock, prior to the recall. First time was at Gainesville, FL in early June 2000. The first several passes were all low-mid 14s @ ~99-100 mph. After I got the hang of it, I eventually went 13.80 @ 102. A few weeks later, it went 13.72 @ 103 mph at Maple Grove Raceway, Reading PA (late June 2000). Those were the only times I ran it in 100% bone stock trim, pre-recall. I never did run in 100% bone stock trim, post-recall. I suspect it would have gone a couple tenths and a couple mph better, but that is only speculation.

[secondgearscratch]

Ignorant is such a harsh word. The quickest out of a stock Shelby GT was Evan Smith's 12.3 run. On average we all know these cars are mid to high 12's. Seems respectable, that is until you figure in the cars rating of 500hp. The 4100-4200lb. curb weight is the downfall, and despite rated @ a whopping 100 hp more than the base vette, a Z51 M6 will run right with it in the straight, and destroy it in the twisties, for thousands less. Once again Ford goes blower to compete with GM's N/A car.

here we go with the same tired argument....

look at the weight difference.

twisties...doesnt matter. price...doesnt matter.

weight matters. 3100 vs 4100. get it?

and all of chevy's 8 cylinders are in block cam and displace a good amount more.

i agree that the new shelby is a pig but lets not speak so matter of factly here because you can crank up the boost, throw some dr's on and be low low 12s respectively.

[N20LT4]

BLKCLOUD---->yeah 13.60s @ 103-104 was the norm for post

[N20LT4]

here we go with the same tired argument....

look at the weight difference.

twisties...doesnt matter. price...doesnt matter.

weight matters. 3100 vs 4100. get it?

and all of chevy's 8 cylinders are in block cam and displace a good amount more.

i agree that the new shelby is a pig but lets not speak so matter of factly here because you can crank up the boost, throw some dr's on and be low low 12s respectively.

Oh im sorry, I thought this was "LS1".COM and I was free to speak??? As for your reply, when your talking about two cars that compete against eachother in the current automotive market, you can compare each and every fact about the two if you'd like - wether it's price, handling, quarter-mile performance, it doesn't matter. You didn't have a problem discussing what one runs in the 1/4, but you dare not mention anything about handling. Hmmm? Doesn't make sense. Anyways, I personally know several guys who own C5 and C6 Corvettes - have Corvette money - and have decided to go the supercharger route. Let's just say the lowest output car is a '99 Hardtop with a Vortech S Trim making 611rwhp with low boost. Some of the guys in Sacramento Corvette Club are pushing hundreds more than that. Anyways, i'm sure with the right driver in right conditions, low 12's in bone-stock form is attainable in a GT500.

[Mr. Luos]

Here we go....


Me against a 03/04 Cobra. Not sure what the driver was doing, and I didn't talk to him afterwards. This is on my stock rear, so I was kinda pussy footing it as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8H1D7nB6pA

Me against a stout Mustang GT on a 150 hit. Same day as above, so not my best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NYiNKyfP88

Me against a lightly modded C5 Z06. More recent, so I have better tires and gear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ-acYner0M

Me against a stock C6 Z06. Recent as well. I missed 3rd and just put it into 4th. His run was horrible as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv_oalY5Az8

And my personal best to date.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVr7giI329k

And before I hear all about the slow times....track is 5800 feet above sea level. Everyone suffers unless you have a turbo.

[DanWS6]

Here we go....


Me against a 03/04 Cobra. Not sure what the driver was doing, and I didn't talk to him afterwards. This is on my stock rear, so I was kinda pussy footing it as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8H1D7nB6pA

Me against a stout Mustang GT on a 150 hit. Same day as above, so not my best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NYiNKyfP88

Me against a lightly modded C5 Z06. More recent, so I have better tires and gear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ-acYner0M

Me against a stock C6 Z06. Recent as well. I missed 3rd and just put it into 4th. His run was horrible as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv_oalY5Az8

And my personal best to date.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVr7giI329k

And before I hear all about the slow times....track is 5800 feet above sea level.

Damn Josh and his shaky hands almost gives me a headache watching. :lol:

Everyone suffers unless you have a turbo.

It's true. I suffer alot. :shots:

[luciangage]

sorry guys im a little lost. that cobra said 99 on the top of the video.when he changed gears it sounded like a fi car. and it ran 11s which i have never heard of out of a stock cobra even a 03-04. so where did i get lost is this your car or just a video. im not starting a fight i just dont understand?you said it was stock.

[secondgearscratch]

Oh im sorry, I thought this was "LS1".COM and I was free to speak??? As for your reply, when your talking about two cars that compete against eachother in the current automotive market, you can compare each and every fact about the two if you'd like - wether it's price, handling, quarter-mile performance, it doesn't matter. You didn't have a problem discussing what one runs in the 1/4, but you dare not mention anything about handling. Hmmm? Doesn't make sense. Anyways, I personally know several guys who own C5 and C6 Corvettes - have Corvette money - and have decided to go the supercharger route. Let's just say the lowest output car is a '99 Hardtop with a Vortech S Trim making 611rwhp with low boost. Some of the guys in Sacramento Corvette Club are pushing hundreds more than that. Anyways, i'm sure with the right driver in right conditions, low 12's in bone-stock form is attainable in a GT500.

you dont have to tell me its ls1.com bud, thats my moniker.

you just go bashing and you even talk about the weight difference but still say ford has to have the blower. shouldnt they if they choose to weight 1000 pounds more than a vette?

ive argued just like you have several times and after ruthless discussions have accepted that maybe the gt500 isnt fords answer to the vette.

i love the vette and i love gm, why would i have an f body if i didnt? .
whats the excuse with the terminator when it whoops a c5? same shit different day....

low 12s in a gt500 with the right driver? with that much horsepower and even at its weight if it cut a good 60 even on street tires im confident it would do low 12s. still pathetic when you consider that fords own terminator is about capable of that with 100 less hp.

believe me, ive had this argument and busted out the comparo tests in car and driver against the c6 vs. the gt500. it is kinda sad but when you consider weight and the small difference in e.t. it isnt that substantial.

thats all im saying. of course if an lsx had a blower it would be fast. whats your point?

[preston1980]

Amazing. 10 years later this little engine is still able to beat the best Ford's got. Not sure if this has been posted here before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-7jG-qImuQ&mode=related&search=
That was not a "Slaughter" at all, and the GT 500 didnt get on it untill 2nd gear, and the trap speed of the Ford proves that it could have ran faster if he werent easing it off the line.

And yes a 13 flat is a hell of a run for a stock motor, stock weight Trans Am LS1, if it is in fact stock.

Im pretty sure the LS1 has proved its place on the "great engines of all time" list. I have much respect for it, but I think its time as king is over. Now it will be the LS2, (excluding of course the LS7, which is too expensive for most of us) especially when the LS2 comes out in a new Camaro. Then again the LS2 is a larger displacement LS1. You gotta love it when a Car company improves an already great design. I love what GM has done with the small block from 1997 to now.

As long as the new Camaro is not a 4000 pound car, it ought to haul ass, and run high 12s from the factory. I think this is why GM is upping the horsepower of the regular vette to 430 with the LS3, because they dont want a SS Maro being as fast as a Vette is in the year 09.

[preston1980]

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/27/2008-chevy-corvette-revealed-with-new-6-2l-ls3-v8-and-up-to-436/

[preston1980]

That Trans Am is not stock, it has some sort of exhaust and some DRs at least. Her is the complete video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGuRDo3XEG0&NR=1

[N20LT4]

You guys are killing me knocking F-bodies on an F-body site. Knock me for saying it but i'm just telling the truth. The guy above posts three, get it, THREE times in a row to prove comments like "the king is over", like he's sort of in some jealous rage or something. Then you got F-body owners claiming "this car wasn't stock", which I blame a lot of that mostly on the fact that some guys are "only" getting 13.7s @ 102-103 out of their LS1's, while others like Evan Smith have pulled high 12's @ 108 out of one right off the showroom. I think many guys just don't want to believe there are cars just like there's out there running a whole half a second and 5mph faster than their car. It's going to take many more years before you can take credit away from a motor like the LS1. And as far as more displacement for the LS2 goes, you can whip up a 6.0L LQ9 block for an LS1 faster than you can say Whipplecharger. I think some people need to go back to the basics and freshen up their information.

[b.lee]

mustang lost too many years to the Camaro, and in 2003, they went to forced induction.
the powerstroke lost for too many years to the cummins, and in 2008 they added another turbo.

Ford is all about the forced induction, which is a good thing. But if thats what you need to do to keep up to a naturally aspirated car.... well , thats just sad. There still is no replacement for displacement in my book. And after you cannot achieve anymore displacement, then its time for forced induction.

I've never had it to the track, but the previous owner claimed a 13.08sec 1/4 mile w/ the car in my sig.
Before the 3.73 gear he claimed a 13.38

[2000T/A Guru]

I do belive low 13 flats arent that hard, with just a lid headers and hooker catback i ran a 12.87, so whos to say stock i wouldnt have run a 13.1 or even flat. Thats in a 2000 without the ls6 intake manifold. If i had the intake i would probablly be 12.7s or so

[secondgearscratch]

who the fuck said a ws6 couldnt run a 13 flat stock?? thats pretty stupid.

[2000T/A Guru]

no way that trans am is stock running 13 flat

this guy did, sorry im coming into this thing kinda late lol

[BLKCLOUD]

sorry guys im a little lost. that cobra said 99 on the top of the video.when he changed gears it sounded like a fi car....

I'm curious....what made it sound like a FI car on the shifts?

[440 rwhp trans am]

Notice the trap speed of the GT500.
If it had a decent driver, the GT500 would have beaten the F-Body badly. But to his defense (kinda)...not exactly easy hooking up 440 RWHP on street tires.

i agree!!

[NiteRiderWs6]

Oh....Stock motored Cobra slaughters modified WS6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjqVPl6KDa8)

Gotta get into the spirit of things.... ;)

or back into this spirit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PyIFwFe9Ng

[BLKCLOUD]

Awesome! A highly modified 422 cid turbo-charged F-body outruns a stock 330 cid blown GT500.

Who'd of thunk it?

Of course, the F-body camera car with Mr. wanna-be-gangsta couldn't even begin to keep up with either of them.

[Black R/A]

Awesome! A highly modified 422 cid turbo-charged F-body outruns a stock 330 cid blown GT500.

Who'd of thunk it?

Of course, the F-body camera car with Mr. wanna-be-gangsta couldn't even begin to keep up with either of them.

The GT500 isn't stock either. Several mods actually. Saw the vid and discussion when it was originally posted. Wish I could remember where though. But yeah, the LS1 is a 422.

[BLKCLOUD]

Would you please quit ruining my post with facts?

Thanks. Move along.

[Black R/A]

You guys are killing me knocking F-bodies on an F-body site. Knock me for saying it but i'm just telling the truth. The guy above posts three, get it, THREE times in a row to prove comments like "the king is over", like he's sort of in some jealous rage or something. Then you got F-body owners claiming "this car wasn't stock", which I blame a lot of that mostly on the fact that some guys are "only" getting 13.7s @ 102-103 out of their LS1's, while others like Evan Smith have pulled high 12's @ 108 out of one right off the showroom. I think many guys just don't want to believe there are cars just like there's out there running a whole half a second and 5mph faster than their car. It's going to take many more years before you can take credit away from a motor like the LS1. And as far as more displacement for the LS2 goes, you can whip up a 6.0L LQ9 block for an LS1 faster than you can say Whipplecharger. I think some people need to go back to the basics and freshen up their information.


That's it. You said it. They're still traumatized by the endless beatings the LS1 laid on them from 1997-2003, until SVT released the so-called 'terminator'. Only weeks after the '03 Cobra arrived there were still some vids of stock LS1 cars beating them, leading some to speculate there was another '99 Cobra style fraud. Thread after thread on LS1.com was making a laughing stock out of it. That's when the Lighting pulley thing came out and '03's began to really shine. But man, you should have heard the Mustang guys howling back then with every LS1 vid killing the '03 Cobra. These were vids like the one that started this thread. The Ford guys were livid - raging even - insisting that every vid and every kill was BS, could never happen without extreme mods, blah, blah, blah.

And BTW, 13.0 stock LS1 vids were quite common a few years ago. There were even 12.7 vids with slicks. How quickly people forget what a revolution the LS1 was, or perhaps some just close their eyes and wish it would all go away? Sorry, I'll never let them forget.

I have more vids in my arsenal BTW. Some real historic doozies guaranteed to cause thread-riots. :tv: But I'll spare the mods the headaches.

[preston1980]

I would love to see a video of a stock, I said stock, F-bod running a 12.9 or better. Please post it. But remember DR' are not stock. My best ET in my stock 99 TA was a 13.5, I have read of the newer SS's running a 13.2. Once I modded my TA, even slightly, It ran a 13 flat.

Although I do hear alot of stories of a stock F-bod running in the 12's.
Im not saying it didnt happend, I just want to see it. And I want to see the car engine bay and a good view all around of the car. I believe alot of people ran a slightly modded 12 sec f-bod and the story turned into a stock f-bod runs a 12.

[TrickStang37]

That's it. You said it. They're still traumatized by the endless beatings the LS1 laid on them from 1997-2003, until SVT released the so-called 'terminator'. Only weeks after the '03 Cobra arrived there were still some vids of stock LS1 cars beating them, leading some to speculate there was another '99 Cobra style fraud. Thread after thread on LS1.com was making a laughing stock out of it. That's when the Lighting pulley thing came out and '03's began to really shine. But man, you should have heard the Mustang guys howling back then with every LS1 vid killing the '03 Cobra. These were vids like the one that started this thread. The Ford guys were livid - raging even - insisting that every vid and every kill was BS, could never happen without extreme mods, blah, blah, blah.

And BTW, 13.0 stock LS1 vids were quite common a few years ago. There were even 12.7 vids with slicks. How quickly people forget what a revolution the LS1 was, or perhaps some just close their eyes and wish it would all go away? Sorry, I'll never let them forget.

I have more vids in my arsenal BTW. Some real historic doozies guaranteed to cause thread-riots. :tv: But I'll spare the mods the headaches.

Its funny how the tables have turned now!!!! Even supercharged F-Bodies are having trouble keeping up with the lil 4.6! :nana:

[tonyjnjz]

hawk241 on here with a firehawk has ONLY a stall and drag rads and ran a 12.8....pretty fast

[BLKCLOUD]

I would love to see a video of a stock, I said stock, F-bod running a 12.9 or better. Please post it. But remember DR' are not stock. My best ET in my stock 99 TA was a 13.5, I have read of the newer SS's running a 13.2. Once I modded my TA, even slightly, It ran a 13 flat.

Although I do hear alot of stories of a stock F-bod running in the 12's.
Im not saying it didnt happend, I just want to see it. And I want to see the car engine bay and a good view all around of the car. I believe alot of people ran a slightly modded 12 sec f-bod and the story turned into a stock f-bod runs a 12.

Doubt you'll find someone that has a video that meets your requirements. You're either going to believe it, or not. I do believe it. Here is one small reason why....straight out of MM&FF:

http://members.cox.net/rdcosby1/images/ss.jpg

[preston1980]

Doubt you'll find someone that has a video that meets your requirements. You're either going to believe it, or not. I do believe it. Here is one small reason why....straight out of MM&FF:

http://members.cox.net/rdcosby1/images/ss.jpg
Thaose guys at MMFF must be the best drivers around, they also got a stock 03 Cobra to a 12.4.

But I doubt people are ever going to say a stock Termi runs a 12.4 in the qaurter. So I dont think people should say a stock F bod will run a 12.9 or even a 13 flat. It takes at least some good DRs to get those results on the norm.

I think the best comparison on the Termi and the SS in that they are 1/2 second apart with the same conditions and the same driver, the same can be said about the SS and the GT 500, which is sad given the price tag differance.

[N20LT4]

BLKCLOUD, you are an amazing piece of work. How and where in the heck did you find that. I saw it on the net once, searched and searched, and could not find it again. Welp, there it is. PRESTON and TRICKSTANG I don't wan't to hear anymore. You knock our cars on our forum all you wan't, but deep inside both you and I know you lust after what these cars are capable of. Like...12's, Naturally Aspirated, off the showroom.

[shady milkman]

BLKCLOUD, you are an amazing piece of work. How and where in the heck did you find that. I saw it on the net once, searched and searched, and could not find it again. Welp, there it is. PRESTON and TRICKSTANG I don't wan't to hear anymore. You knock our cars on our forum all you wan't, but deep inside both you and I know you lust after what these cars are capable of. Like...12's, Naturally Aspirated, off the showroom.

shhh :slap: preston is legit and had a t/a

[N20LT4]

shhh :slap: preston is legit and had a t/a

:blah: :blah: :blah:

[N20LT4]

That's it. You said it. They're still traumatized by the endless beatings the LS1 laid on them from 1997-2003, until SVT released the so-called 'terminator'. Only weeks after the '03 Cobra arrived there were still some vids of stock LS1 cars beating them, leading some to speculate there was another '99 Cobra style fraud. Thread after thread on LS1.com was making a laughing stock out of it. That's when the Lighting pulley thing came out and '03's began to really shine. But man, you should have heard the Mustang guys howling back then with every LS1 vid killing the '03 Cobra. These were vids like the one that started this thread. The Ford guys were livid - raging even - insisting that every vid and every kill was BS, could never happen without extreme mods, blah, blah, blah.

And BTW, 13.0 stock LS1 vids were quite common a few years ago. There were even 12.7 vids with slicks. How quickly people forget what a revolution the LS1 was, or perhaps some just close their eyes and wish it would all go away? Sorry, I'll never let them forget.

I have more vids in my arsenal BTW. Some real historic doozies guaranteed to cause thread-riots. :tv: But I'll spare the mods the headaches.

Very well put!

[shady milkman]

:blah: :blah: :blah:

:wtf: preston has defended t/a just as much as his mustang...he tells it how it is period.

[BLKCLOUD]

A former racer buddy of mine - Kenneth Risher - went 12.47 @ 114 in his bone stock 03. Is that the norm? No. Neither are 12.8/9 bone stock LS1s. But the potential is there.

The GT500, on average, is probably 2-3 tenths quicker, and a few mph faster, than a Terminator. I agree that is quite sad for 500 HP.

Bob

[BLKCLOUD]

BLKCLOUD, you are an amazing piece of work. How and where in the heck did you find that. I saw it on the net once, searched and searched, and could not find it again. Welp, there it is.

I scanned that pic right out of MM&FF a few years ago and put it on my webpage. Pretty easy for me to find. :)

Bob

[JayplaySS2]

Hey don't forget were talkin' GT500 here -- not '03-'04 Cobra. 5.4-liters is not that much smaller than what GM is running. Second, you don't see top fuel cars driving around on the streets. If they did then trust me I would be complaining. And your comment that "Blowers don't matter at all" IS very ignorant. Since when has a supercharger become just a bolt-on??? :drunk:

A KB bolted right on. No heads removed, no cams changed. Nothing. It took less time to install the KB on a little 4.6 than it took to install my LT's on my SS.

Internet racing is so fun.

Blowers dont matter. Ford doesnt NEED them, its just easier to do it instead of changing their engine design that WILL eventually change. Thats the statement of a looser. If they would run larger sizes like Chevy 6.0L+ the Mod motor would be VERY strong N/A. The S7 N/A 7.0 puts out 550hp though not a mod motor.
The FR500 5.0 4 cam puts out 535hp, again N/A.

PS. They still make Mustangs. :seesaw:

You guys are talking to a guy who still builds LS1's and just sold it. Like I dont know what Im talking about. An LS1 WILL NEED FI (S/C, Nos, Turbo) to be a DD 10 sec car or faster(unless you run a stalled, A4, 4:10 or larger gear and STUPID big T-rex or larger cam and then people sell those because they suck at drivability). Cobras just do it OH so easy with street manners BETTER than stock with a stock gear too, you will never have that with an LSX without getting a C6 Z06 and even then, some of the big T/S blowers are able to walk slightly modded C6 Z06's.:zoom:

My H/C 11 sec LS1 was boooooring. It too would have had a S/C to keep up with my little 4.6. Thats a fact amigos. If you bitch about a s/c you are simply bitching that I have more power than you. Its that simple.

[Redegal]

Your right. It's the "not fair" syndrome. I fall victim to feeling that way too when there are faster cars out there. I think, "well if it didn't have this or didn't have that mod then I could beat him". On the flip side, I have had people accuse me as a Turbo Buick owner of pretending to be a gear head by turning up my boost but when it comes down to, S/C turbo or N/A it takes ingenuity trial and error to get any car to go fast. Hell, I'm only working with 3.8 liters.

[N20LT4]

I wonder to myself if you so-called Mustang guys are the real deal. If so, then why in the heck do you spend your days...and nights...on a forum intended for GM's? I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a pleasure to have guys outside of Camaros and Firebirds come around, but when they spend all day bashing, and posting pointless comments about facts that are fraud, it really makes me wonder. I'm going to be honest, I wouldn't spend all my time on a Mustang forum - no disrespect, but it just doesn't make sense. And oh yeah, this thread was over when the MM&FF article of the bone-stock 12-second SS was posted. Save yourselves.

[mrr23]

this is getting old.