pacesetters LT's

[dafizzman1]

is installing these pacesetters really that hard or is it hype??? tricks ????

[Street Lethal]

Isn't too hard at all. A lift makes it much much easier, though.... ;)

[Rhinohuey]

Me and a friend of mine did it in about 6 hours. It was the biggest project either of us had done at that point. We just used ramps, stands, and we had 2 jacks. Really, the hardest part is just getting the car high enough in the air to slide the headers in. Everything is cake from there.

[dafizzman1]

got a lift at the shop so itll be easier i hope. thanks!!!

[camarojunky74]

i would recomend using a can of rust penetrans and giving everything a once over the night before tearing it apart, you will save your self a lot of busted knuckles and broken bolts;.

[dafizzman1]

do you actually need to unbolt the mounts or can you do it w/ them in place??

[thecorrectformula]

My brother in Law did a set in three Hours with a lift

[jerry trans am]

I Just did my pacesetters last week. Peice of cake. U dont have to un bolt the motor mounts. I didn't have to even unbolt the sterring shaft or cut nothing they slide right in. But a good thing to do is get some penitrating oil I used PB and give all the bolts a good shot the night befor then shootum again about a hour before. I did mine by myself in my garage on jackstands in about 8 hours. Make sure u get the car up as high as u can.

[dafizzman1]

thanks for the help guys. Monday is d-day! :Patriot:

[camarojunky74]

ive installed hookers and a pacesetter y pipe, the hooker headers were a nightmare, took all night until noon the next day, had to unbolt secondary air, steering shaft, reciever drier, and a few other things cant really remember!

[dafizzman1]

they're in!!! a bit of a P.I.A. but done! the d/s mount did have to be unbolted to slide it in. but all is together now. now working on this sputtering issue.....:Ohno::mad::thinkin::sulk:

[Hot Rod SS]

I'm about to install a Magnaflow cat back system this Friday, and plan to do Pacesetter longtubes and an ORY later, keep us posted on the sputtering thing.:goodluck:

[dafizzman1]

still trying to figure it out!!!

[camarojunky74]

the sputtering issue, when does it do it? cold hot? idle off idle?
let me know i can see if i can help you any!

[dafizzman1]

sputters any time im under 2k rpm or heavy acceleration. at first i saw the dipstick tube touching one of the boots. fixed that. no difference. noticed the gasket for the egr pipe that goes into the intake was leaking. gonna fix that this afternoon.


p.s. i scanned the codes. only O2 codes came up. the car is running extremely rich. at a stop it makes your eyes water. could that be doing it????

[dafizzman1]

update

replaceing the egr gasket seemed to help eliminate the low end sputtering but i still breaks up after 4k. possible o2 issues? could O2 cheaters help and where could i get them? and if any is from NY do you know of a tuner in the Long island area???

thanks a lot guys!!
andrew

[camarojunky74]

do you have any type of scanner or acess to look at live vehicle data? this would help! but i would say that if you still have the o2's in with the headers and no cats, this could fool the pcm real bad, not only that but i have seen bad exhaust leaks cause a rich mixture as well make sure your not sucking in air, and check for leaks at the head!

and no i dont know of any tuners out there i am from so cal!

[dafizzman1]

checked for exhaust leaks already. all is good. i dont have diagnostic tools but a cousin runs a shop. he can get me in on monday.

someone told me that the "o2 cheaters" just plug into the existing wiring and fool the pcm into thinking everything is good. is that how they work?


p.s. picked up set of wires from local performance chevy dealer. all rubber boot. ill put them in and see if that'll help.

[dafizzman1]

maybe a lead... when i took the wire off the second in on p/s (cylinder 4??) the car ran the same. is it possible that a coil could go bad in the 6+ hours you have it disconnected.

[Too Fast]

maybe a lead... when i took the wire off the second in on p/s (cylinder 4??) the car ran the same. is it possible that a coil could go bad in the 6+ hours you have it disconnected.

Sounds like you found the misfire. Make sure you put the plug wire back on both sides all the way.

[secondgearscratch]

you would be better off tuning out the rears. o2 sims are crap.....

and you got the egr provision headers right?

i woulda just ripped all that shit out to and got the race headers, less expensive, less hassle.

good luck

[Too Fast]

ive installed hookers and a pacesetter y pipe, the hooker headers were a nightmare, took all night until noon the next day, had to unbolt secondary air, steering shaft, reciever drier, and a few other things cant really remember!

I am ASE Master Tech also, my Hookers went in with relatively no problem. What, specifically gave you problems? My job start to finish was approx 6 hours.

[dafizzman1]

its all connected but still missing. a bit frustrating!!!




when i go for a tune. do i request anything in particular or they will know what im talking about. (ifirst time doing it)

[camarojunky74]

no, very unlikely! and yes that is exactly how those work, except that the company who made them just got caught by the epa, there name is casper electronics. you should still be able to find some like on ebay or something, or if worst comes to worst you can install a resistor somewhere in the wiring to take care of the check engine lights.

[camarojunky74]

I am ASE Master Tech also, my Hookers went in with relatively no problem. What, specifically gave you problems? My job start to finish was approx 6 hours.

well the lack of light and proper jack stands would be the things that stick out in my head, we couldnt seem to get the car high enough to slide the headers in correctly also. i think all in all, start to finish was probably like 12 hours, but we also fell asleep on the driveway for a bit and we ate dinner, lol we did this in the middle of the night,

[dafizzman1]

no, very unlikely! and yes that is exactly how those work, except that the company who made them just got caught by the epa, there name is casper electronics. you should still be able to find some like on ebay or something, or if worst comes to worst you can install a resistor somewhere in the wiring to take care of the check engine lights.

so i have to tell the guy to tune out the o2's?.?. can you just delete all 4?? anything else i have to tell him?

[Too Fast]

so i have to tell the guy to tune out the o2's?.?. can you just delete all 4?? anything else i have to tell him?

You do not want the primary O2 sensors deleted. Your tuner will tell you that also, they are needed to give feedback to your PCM for proper A/F ratio.
Only tune out the rear 02s because you will no longer have catalytic convertors. That is the only reason for the rear 02 sensors.

[Too Fast]

well the lack of light and proper jack stands would be the things that stick out in my head, we couldnt seem to get the car high enough to slide the headers in correctly also. i think all in all, start to finish was probably like 12 hours, but we also fell asleep on the driveway for a bit and we ate dinner, lol we did this in the middle of the night,

Ah...........I had the luxury of being able to do it where I work, on a day off.

[slims00ls1z28]

Check for cracked plug and broken temp sensor had both of those at the same time and it ran like crap and both are easily done during this install. Is it just missing or backfiring under WOT or heavy load? Mine was #6 and it was gracked but couldn't see it until I removed it.

[camarojunky74]

yeah slims right you may have knocked a coil pack around while installing the headers!

didnt even think of that!
good work slim

[dafizzman1]

missing when you rev in neutral under 2k. other wise just breaking up bad after 3500 at WOT...

[camarojunky74]

we really cant go any further until you get a scanner on the vehicle, after that i think it will be very simple to resolve this issue

[dafizzman1]

hhhhaaalllleeeuuuujjjjaaahhhhh!!!! alll betta!! :tap: :thumbup: :bump: :cool:

plug #5 was cracked=====misfire
d/s o2 sensor wire was cut????=========breaking up

me so happy!!!


sigh, but another issue. if you follow the throttle cable recoil spring(i thing thats what it is called) to the firewall, midway there is a connector about 4-5 inches in length. on both sides there are conical clips. one is missing. when you press the pedal down, there is 1-2 inches of "dead space". gonna see if i can get the clip. or do i have to replace the whole t. cable for that??

[whiteLS1TA]

hey guys im about to get the pacesetter L/T but i dont know which ones i have a 2001 m6 trans am. and i was also wondering if i would have to get new cats, replace or cut my slp y pipe to make it work. i also am running the loudmouth 2. and advice would help thanks

[WEZONIT]

I had a shop install my pacesetters. They said they are one of the easiest to install on LS1's

[camarojunky74]

hey guys im about to get the pacesetter L/T but i dont know which ones i have a 2001 m6 trans am. and i was also wondering if i would have to get new cats, replace or cut my slp y pipe to make it work. i also am running the loudmouth 2. and advice would help thanks

put the headers on yourself and than take it to a muffler shop cause i can almost gurantee they wont match up easy, without welding probably

[1LE4ME]

hhhhaaalllleeeuuuujjjjaaahhhhh!!!! alll betta!! :tap: :thumbup: :bump: :cool:

plug #5 was cracked=====misfire
d/s o2 sensor wire was cut????=========breaking up

me so happy!!!


sigh, but another issue. if you follow the throttle cable recoil spring(i thing thats what it is called) to the firewall, midway there is a connector about 4-5 inches in length. on both sides there are conical clips. one is missing. when you press the pedal down, there is 1-2 inches of "dead space". gonna see if i can get the clip. or do i have to replace the whole t. cable for that??

Glad you got that fixed. I was reading all your posts because I knew when you said it was sputtering that you had a cracked spark plug. Same exact thing happened to me because I did spark plugs at the same time and one of my buddies dropped one but installed it still. Had the same sputtering and backfires, and was running rich. Glad to hear you figured it out. I was gonna suggest checking them all but you got to it first.

[dafizzman1]

Glad you got that fixed. I was reading all your posts because I knew when you said it was sputtering that you had a cracked spark plug. Same exact thing happened to me because I did spark plugs at the same time and one of my buddies dropped one but installed it still. Had the same sputtering and backfires, and was running rich. Glad to hear you figured it out. I was gonna suggest checking them all but you got to it first.

thanks man....
all was good for almost a week but now i notice when i cruise at 2k rpms (any gear 2-6) it feels like its sputterin again. NOW I KNOW ALL MY PLUGS AND WIRES ARE GOOD..........lol.....nothing is touching the exhaust.......shitty gas????? well see after this tank.....