Just Curious: What is THE MOST POWERFUL Cam for a DD? [Archive]

NeeD4SpeeD

10-30-2005, 11:10 PM

Just wondering what cam (and specs plz) would net me the most HP and still be able to drive it on the street???

I was thinking the TR 236/230 .602/.575 112 LSA

Any thoughts??????:think:

Zboner

10-30-2005, 11:11 PM

pretty big.

ninobrn99

10-31-2005, 04:30 PM

its not that simple...i daily drove the f10 and will soon be daily driving a much bigger cam...id say g5x4 would be it or close to.

NeeD4SpeeD

10-31-2005, 07:58 PM

who makes the g5x4 and what are the specs on it?? And what are you referring to when you said "it's not that simple??":think:

ninobrn99

10-31-2005, 08:03 PM

LG makes it, specs are not disclosed, but 24x/25x i would imagine. What i mean by that is, a baby 220 114 could be too much for you or you could think the trex isnt enough. you have to determine where you want your power and what you want out of the car...what mods you have to support it..so many factors than just "what cam should i get" or "whats the best cam?"

NeeD4SpeeD

10-31-2005, 08:34 PM

Well i have just about everybolt on you can think of besides heads... SO i want a POWERFUL cam but nothing as severe as the T-rex... Thats why i thought that the cam i listed would be nice because it's range is 2200-6800RPM and the cam itself with a diesel tune i would imagine should net around low/mid 400+ easily.

I'd guess around 435RWHP... Now i think that is good because the cam is BIG plus the LSA is 112 which is lopy but not krazy lopy like the T-rex's 110LSA

NeeD4SpeeD

10-31-2005, 08:35 PM

Plus the T-rex makes power alittle too late in the powerband for me!!

NeeD4SpeeD

11-01-2005, 04:46 PM

So i guess i'm going to stick with the TR 236/230 .602/.575 112 LSA unless theres something better?

ninobrn99

11-02-2005, 05:13 PM

i say just go for it. be different and see if it works out in your favor...not too many people have that cam so test it and let us know how it does.
Nino

MadSeason

11-02-2005, 08:08 PM

IMO talk to a company and get a custom grind that match your mods and your needs. I saw someone with a heads/cam package on another forum, spent about 10k and got 502 HP with the stock rear and every single mod in the book. However that's only peak power and their curve was so slanted they have bragging rights at 500+RWHP but almost no power under the curve to launch at anything other than 5000 rpm

NeeD4SpeeD

11-02-2005, 09:14 PM

Well that was one of the things that i was worried about was my power curve... I mean the cam i wanted had a 2200-6500RPM range and hopefully has a nice curve thats why i was asking if anyone knew a good big cam similar to mine with great power and a good curve!!

NeeD4SpeeD

11-02-2005, 09:15 PM

Personally i dont care about bragging rights... Because when my 410HP WS6 beats your 505HP car then we'll c who can brag:itsok: I just want the power to be there and my car to have an all out good powerband with good HP!!!

MadSeason

11-02-2005, 09:36 PM

I have a SLP 51013 cam, claims 35HP gain and it might be true, I like the curve and can post pics of the dyno of it on the car without mods, and then with heads and headers along with a dyno tune. Just ask if you want to see I have to fish for it on my computer. It's 234/228 .576 .571 113LSA. Not the newest technology, but came with the car I bought

MadSeason

11-02-2005, 11:06 PM

Car with Cam Only
http://www.bsu.edu/web/efigras/Uploads/camaro/car9.JPG

Car with Heads, Headers, and Dyno Tune
http://www.bsu.edu/web/efigras/Uploads/camaro/FirehawkDyno.JPG

NeeD4SpeeD

11-03-2005, 05:53 AM

Not bad! I would have expected more HP gain with that cam b/c of the duration and lift but like you said not the newest technology i guess. Only 35 for a cam...but without a tune so i guess thats about right. Thunder racing clams a 75hp increase with the cam that i want to get with basic bolt-ons and have shown a dyno to prove it... Sound about right??

ninobrn99

11-03-2005, 10:44 AM

Do It!

NeeD4SpeeD

11-04-2005, 11:04 PM

I am.... I'm going to buy it soon and i will keep everyone posted and also post my dyno runs to show how i did!!! :beer3:

NeeD4SpeeD

11-04-2005, 11:48 PM

Before i get the cam which one do you think will produce more power and better throughout the powerband power

My original: Thunder Racing Custom Camshaft - 236/230 .602/.575 112 LSA 2400-6800 RPM Power Band

A prospect cam: "TRAK" Camshaft - 231/234 .640/.590 112 LSA 2400-6800 RPM Power Band.

More importantly how will my daily driving be with these cams?

MadSeason

11-05-2005, 12:13 AM

Call the experts that's what they're there for :) ...but I don't think the TRAK camshaft would make a good daily driver

Mr. Luos

11-05-2005, 03:13 PM

My original: Thunder Racing Custom Camshaft - 236/230 .602/.575 112 LSA 2400-6800 RPM Power Band

A prospect cam: "TRAK" Camshaft - 231/234 .640/.590 112 LSA 2400-6800 RPM Power Band.
That TR grind (the 1st one) probably isn't what you are looking for. 2400 seems early for a reverse split duration cam to pick up power. Most start around 4000 and make some great numbers from there up.

The TRAK cam might be rough for a daily driver. That is a lot of lift on the intake side. You will need a good valvespring to handle that, and they will wear out quick.

230/230 59x/59x 112 should be about what you are looking for I would think. Most newer grinds will see 400 RWHP with a good tune.

My old cam (226/234 554/575 112) picked me up 41 RWHP before tune. 335 to 376. With tune and a couple more bolt-ons it would have easily been 400 RWHP.

NeeD4SpeeD

11-05-2005, 04:04 PM

Very nice... Maybe i will look for a less wild cam...

but the TR 236/230 .602/.575 112 LSA isn't the reverse split...

Your thinking of the TR 230/224 .575/.563 111 LSA which is the reverse split as you can see by the lobe seperation that it will be very choppy as a DD so thats why i was going to stay away from that 1. But the 236/230 .602/.575 112 LSA says the pickup range is from 2400-6800RPMs but does req. 4.10s (which im gettin anyway) and i'm definatly getting a massive dyno tune for that cam so i can squeeze the best possible performance out of it.

Correct me if i'm wrong but i think the cam i was looking into (236/230 .602/.575 112 LSA) will be "OK" for DD...:think:

LS1ROC

11-05-2005, 04:12 PM

Just joined thought I would see if it really worked.

LS1ROC

11-05-2005, 04:15 PM

Well whoppidy doo!!

Mr. Luos

11-05-2005, 05:38 PM

111 to 112 LSA isn't a huge jump.

I always thought anything with a higher intake duration than exhaust duration was a reverse split duration....someone correct me if I am wrong.

It all boils down to what you consider 'okay' for the daily driver. If you can handle a rough idle and lower mileage for your DD....go bigger.
I haven't really driven many different cammed cars....just my when it had a 226/234 554/575 112 in it. And that was about the limit I would think for a daily driver in my opinion.

ninobrn99

11-05-2005, 05:54 PM

a reverse split is higher intake/smaller exhasut 230/224.
It all boils down to what you consider 'okay' for the daily driver. If you can handle a rough idle and lower mileage for your DD....go bigger
exactly!!!!!

NeeD4SpeeD

11-06-2005, 09:51 AM

Yea i gotch.... I just dont want the car to be going crazy at idle!! I can handle the roughness but i think with a nice tune the lope shouldn't be too bad at all neither will the idle. But we'll c i still have till the end of the year to decide and i want a nice size cam because i want the power but i dont want some crazy idling problems. But for what i can perceive as "ok" if the car doesn't shake like crazy or i can handle the gas mileage then i think i'll be fine!!

Mr. Luos

11-06-2005, 11:30 AM

My car rocked pretty good with the 226/234 554/575 112.

Prothane motor mounts would be a decent idea as well for you to help that.

NeeD4SpeeD

11-06-2005, 08:21 PM

Was the car tuned?? I'm going to get a custom full dyno tune with the new cam hopefully it wont be too choppy...

Mr. Luos

11-07-2005, 05:10 PM

Mine wasn't tuned.

Although I think the lope and the rocking would have been close to the same either way.

NeeD4SpeeD

11-07-2005, 07:33 PM

I thought a tune helped balance the computer with the revs of the cam making the car less choppy?

MadSeason

11-07-2005, 11:53 PM

NeeD4SpeeD

11-10-2005, 05:55 AM

The tune will raise the idle if necessary, correct the A/F ratio due to more air that can get in and out of the car, and advance the timing as high as it can go without detonation. A cam will be choppy no matter what, some are so bad you need higher gears to pull it from a stop since the powerband is really high otherwise the engine will bog down. you can get a better real world tune by taking the car on the road to measure and tune everything rather than the dyno, but you get HP and Torque numbers with your work when doing the tune on a dyno

Well actually the cam i wanted required 4.10s plus a tune, so im thinking with a nice head package i'll go down alittle with the cam.... Because all i want is the powerband with good hp and good tq not really concerned with bragging rights...