shift kit worth it?

[bgable]

i was looking into buying a transgo or b&m shift kit and were wondering if anyone has one and if they like it or if it even makes a difference?

[SteveC]

I had the Transgo shift kit installed when I went to a performance TC, if your stock, the stock trans should be good enough.

SteveC :)

[Y2KPewterSS]

Another vote for Transgo, been running mine for 2+ years now, no probs.

[2NTMID8]

One of the best modifications you can do to an automatic car is a stall/shift kit combo. If you plan to buy a programmer in the future, I'm pretty sure you can raise the tranny pressure as well as the shift points which would SORT OF act as a shift kit.

[LS2Tuner]

Yes it is worth it! It will aid in your trannys life also.
Yes the TransGo kit is better than B&M's.
If you talk to any real tranny builder that build race trannys on a regular basis and they all use TransGo.
Not sure where your at I didn't look but a nice tranny cooler is a good investment also. If you do install one make sure you put a MAG/FILTER in-line right before it goes into the new cooler also.

[Silver Streak]

Transgo here as well.. love it. And the tranny cooler is not an option.. you really need it.. don't want your tranny to blow on you because of added heat.

[nhraformula]

trans go kit here.
a shift kit and a tranny cooler will help increase the life of the trans

[schrysler]

Besides The Life Of The Trans, Does It Run Any Better? Whats Different?

[LS2Tuner]

It shifts MUCH firmer. Depending on what kit you install it will let you hold what ever gear you select until you shift it.
Under full throttle 1-2 and 2-3 shifts it will chirp the tires.
By increasing pressure and and volume it increases the clutches holding which decreases slippage that causes unwanted heat.
Hope that helps you understand.It's still pretty early here.....:coffee:

[schrysler]

What Do You Mean Until You Shift It?

[LS2Tuner]

What Do You Mean Until You Shift It?

Well almost all later model trannys will shift automatically even if you have it in first they will shift out after a while at high rpm.

So what I mean is when you manually shift it into first it will hold it in first until you shift it. The same with second.
A lot of TransGo kits will also make it so if you shift it into second it will take off in second unless you down shift to first or place it back in drive or O/D.

[hamburger68]

how difficult is the installation, does the tranny have to be out?

[LS2Tuner]

how difficult is the installation, does the tranny have to be out?

No you don't need to pull the trans. You have to drop the pan and then remove the valvebody and separator plate.

I just typed 2 paragraph description for you and then it kicked me off and I lost it.....:ahh:

[silverz28camaro]

i have the b @ m shift kit.............wish i would have gone trango after reading their tech article on their site,

b@m is a cheap way to get a hard shift but with transgo the kit actually reprograms the valve body and reduces gear to gear overlap, now if you don't know what overlap is, it can bee summed up as the time when both gears are actually applied at the same time to help soften shifts, when you shorten this gear overlap with transgo kit, it will give you a much more crisp shift

now performance wise, my camaro and my buddies mustang ran side by side 13.10 untill i got the shift kit then every time i shifted i would scoot ahead by a fender, by the time both shifts were done i almost had a 1/2 car on him, this is with the b@m, trango will work better, next run was my 13.04 to his 13.09

[ATCharming]

i just ordered a transgo kit for my 700R4. i bought it for $30 new.

ill let u know how the install goes and what not...

question tho... u all say to get a tranny cooler... i thought u only needed the tranny cooler for the street/strip shift kits? i ordered just the improver kit, do i still need a tranny cooler?

[LS2Tuner]

i just ordered a transgo kit for my 700R4. i bought it for $30 new.

ill let u know how the install goes and what not...

question tho... u all say to get a tranny cooler... i thought u only needed the tranny cooler for the street/strip shift kits? i ordered just the improver kit, do i still need a tranny cooler?

The kit should of been more than $30 unless you bought the cheap one that doesn't do as much........ Unless you got a smoking deal.:hmm:My partner that owns a tranny shop doesn't even get them that cheap.
It's not that you need it it is a benefit of keeping the operating temp. down which increases life.
Go to a local tranny shop and buy one of those inline mag filters. AND PLEASE DON'T MOUNT IT THROUGH THE RADIATOR!!

[ATCharming]

The kit should of been more than $30 unless you bought the cheap one that doesn't do as much........ Unless you got a smoking deal.:hmm:My partner that owns a tranny shop doesn't even get them that cheap.
It's not that you need it it is a benefit of keeping the operating temp. down which increases life.
Go to a local tranny shop and buy one of those inline mag filters. AND PLEASE DON'T MOUNT IT THROUGH THE RADIATOR!!

well it was 30 hahahaha. and it was a transgo kit. it may not be the street/strip one, but no matter what, for 30 bucks if it improves my shifts its worth it

[nhraformula]

trans coolers even help stock converters increase life span

[jlashley2001ss]

The kit should of been more than $30 unless you bought the cheap one that doesn't do as much........ Unless you got a smoking deal.:hmm:My partner that owns a tranny shop doesn't even get them that cheap.
It's not that you need it it is a benefit of keeping the operating temp. down which increases life.
Go to a local tranny shop and buy one of those inline mag filters. AND PLEASE DON'T MOUNT IT THROUGH THE RADIATOR!!


why not mount it through the radiator?

[b.lee]

i love my shift kit.
im unsure what brand it it is
it came installed on the car and the guy i bought it from doesnt know what brand it is.

Its very good investment tho.
Also had a hypertech on it, and damm, it shifted VERY hard before i took off the hypertech programming. Now that its off and im just using the shift kit in the trans, it still hits 2nd hard and barks the tires.

With the hypertech on i could bark the tires in 3rd.
But i also have a 3.73 gear.

edit: it should deffinately improve 1/4 mile times.
It hits gears fast and hard like you where in a manual trans car,
except it's faster than you could do it.

[ATCharming]

sweeeeeeeet.
i have mine, i just havent had time to install it. it seems like its gonna be a bitch...

i dont want to get 5 hours into a project thats way over my head and be like "fuck it" and give up... plus i dont want my car on jackstands for days...

[LS2Tuner]

why not mount it through the radiator?

Because it is VERY hard on the radiator!! Make some brakets out of alum. strap you can get at Lowes or Homedepot. It will work alot better by not having mounted to the radiator also!

[jimmybling31]

i have been thinking about getting a shift kit for my lt1 camaro(94 z28) everything i have read has said it would be worth it to get a shift kit, but aren't there other ways to improve shifts and save time at the strip. a shift kit just seems like the easy way out on it. i don't know though.

[Speed Psychosis]

What about this?

http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_79_367&products_id=2163&osCsid=772f00052ad59b4f104588175951d764

Its only electronic, but would still have smoother shifting for a dd.

[hamburger68]

What about this?

http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=235_79_367&products_id=2163&osCsid=772f00052ad59b4f104588175951d764

Its only electronic, but would still have smoother shifting for a dd.

should work, i firmed my shifts up with my hypertech programmer with a noticeable effect. "shift kit light" so to speak.

[blackbird99]

is this kit any good?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRANSGO-4L60E-HD2-SHIFT-KIT-93-UP-TRANSMISSION-LS1-LT1_W0QQitemZ7999945805QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item799 9945805

[jimmybling31]

is this kit any good?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRANSGO-4L60E-HD2-SHIFT-KIT-93-UP-TRANSMISSION-LS1-LT1_W0QQitemZ7999945805QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item799 9945805

im not the best person to answer i think but if that is the one that sells on summit for 129.99 then it's a pretty good one. i don't really know though. that looks like it.

[LS2Tuner]

is this kit any good?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRANSGO-4L60E-HD2-SHIFT-KIT-93-UP-TRANSMISSION-LS1-LT1_W0QQitemZ7999945805QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item799 9945805

Yes that is the best in my opion. Most tranny shops will only use TransGo kits unless you carry in your own for them to install. One of my close friends ownes a tranny shop and he swears by them.
This is also the better kit they offer a less complete one also that is cheaper.
Buy it you'll love the increasr in shift firmness.:drivin:

[Silver Streak]

Yep.. have a TransGo in mine as well.. and I LOVE it! Just wish I would have put it in BEFORE the stall, so I would have known what it was like.. but oh well. :)

[02WS6dream]

Well almost all later model trannys will shift automatically even if you have it in first they will shift out after a while at high rpm.

So what I mean is when you manually shift it into first it will hold it in first until you shift it. The same with second.
A lot of TransGo kits will also make it so if you shift it into second it will take off in second unless you down shift to first or place it back in drive or O/D.

do our cars not already do both of these? Mine does and i don't believe i have a shift kit. it holds first or second if put there until it is shifted (unlike the grand prix i had before it) and also starts in second if placed in second; but i believe i remember reading about that in the owner manual. Also have a very firm 1-2 shift. Had the tranny rebuilt 1.5 ago and didn't install a shift kit and one was not mentioned. Just curious if all of this is normal for the stock trans??? a shift kit would make it even firmer??? Don't know that i'd like that--sometimes shifts so hard 1-2 part throttle that it jerks my foot out the gas...

[xtremetrans]

I use Trans go on all the 4L60E Trannys that I build.

[MikeMoss]

is this kit any good?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRANSGO-4L60E-HD2-SHIFT-KIT-93-UP-TRANSMISSION-LS1-LT1_W0QQitemZ7999945805QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item799 9945805

That is the one that i bought. Worked great and i love it. Nice firm shifts.

Also it is not to difficult to install if you are patient and careful about what you do.

[jimmybling31]

well i decided to get the transgo kit from summit. i will have it by next tuesday. i'll put it in the next time i have a chance

[Spaz]

Yep.. have a TransGo in mine as well.. and I LOVE it! Just wish I would have put it in BEFORE the stall, so I would have known what it was like.. but oh well. :)

my bro has a transgo in his 95 impala SS... it made a WORLD of difference... he loves it and swears by it...

[Pro Built Automatics]

Once you get the kit, get a hold of me and I will tell you how to modify the kit to do even more for your particular application. Dana

[scottso]

Somebody straighten me out here. There are a lot of posts about shift kits increasing tranny life / longevity. How exactly is a shift kit increasing tranny life? It may reduce friction with the firmer faster shifts - but it also bangs harder on the internals (not to mention driveshaft and rearend) even during regular driving. I can see that there is a performance improvement - but I just can't imagine longevity being increased.

Now the aux cooler - I don't believe that is even an arguement.

[LS2Tuner]

Somebody straighten me out here. There are a lot of posts about shift kits increasing tranny life / longevity. How exactly is a shift kit increasing tranny life? It may reduce friction with the firmer faster shifts - but it also bangs harder on the internals (not to mention driveshaft and rearend) even during regular driving. I can see that there is a performance improvement - but I just can't imagine longevity being increased.

Now the aux cooler - I don't believe that is even an argument.

Here is a brief explanation. Read the whole page and you will learn some more info also.
Trannys #1 enemy is heat! The internals of the trans. are NOT banging they are clutches that are hydraulically applied and NOT slipping. Yes is you have a weak U-joint you might find it. The rear end yes it's hard also but nitrous hole shot are way more stress.

"The stock automatic takes longer to complete each shift. Points A to B, Figure 1 show only mild acceleration. During this period only a partial power condition exists because the friction elements are slipping.
This extended slipping time prevents the inertial energy from being efficiently utilized. It is lost in the form of heat on the clutches and bands, instead of being utilized for forward motion. Continually operating a stock automatic at full throttle will cause early friction element failure.

To get high performance and improved durability in an automatic, we must improve the way it executes every shift."

http://www.txchange.com/transgo.htm

[02WS6dream]

went to trans go website and learned more. Sounds like a great idea--claims to fix some common probs; many of which i've experienced even after the rebuild. (ex--hard 1-2 shift, lag when shifting between R and D).

LS2Tuner--I'm confused. I went to your link and what you describe seems to be what a 'reprogramming kit' does which seems different from a shift kit. Can someone outline the differences between what the 2 do for you?

All of the advice in this thread tends to suggest that shift kits reduce slipping and heat and extend life--and i'm sure you're right; i know very little about this and am trying to understand. What i just read explained that a reprogramming kit would do all of that; nothing like that mentioned with shift kits alone. And on the trans go reprogramming kit for our cars it says that on cars with torque management it will not firm up shifts. Help me (us) understand better??

[Sommer86@6LE]

Here's my questions on this shift kit matter....

1. How "annoying" will my shifts be in my DD? Will i start to hate the firmness of the shifts? Will a date think my car is falling apart?
2. How long would it take a novice to install the kit?
3. If I install a shift kit, will tuning the tranny with a programmer do anything to it? Am I better off tuning the tranny as opposed to installing a shift kit?

Mostly i'm worried about how a DD will feel just going to the grocery store and back. I dont need to chirp the tires in front of a cop, lol.

[MikeMoss]

Here's my questions on this shift kit matter....

1. How "annoying" will my shifts be in my DD? Will i start to hate the firmness of the shifts? Will a date think my car is falling apart?
2. How long would it take a novice to install the kit?
3. If I install a shift kit, will tuning the tranny with a programmer do anything to it? Am I better off tuning the tranny as opposed to installing a shift kit?

Mostly i'm worried about how a DD will feel just going to the grocery store and back. I dont need to chirp the tires in front of a cop, lol.

1. Not at all during normal driving it is almost as smooth as stock. No you will grow to want them firmer. I dont think so I have never had anyone say anything. or even notice.
2. It took me 6 hours in my driveway on jackstands, I would find a friend or someone to help you.
3. When you tune the tranny with the pcm you can get pretty much the same results but I have heard that doing it with a shift kit is safer and better for your transmission.

My car is my DD and I am more happy with the way it shifts now after installing the TransGo HD2 shift kit. You will only chirp the tires if you are wide open.

And with my shift kit you can control how firm the non wide open shifts are with these spacers that go in the 2nd gear accumulator. So depending on how many spacers you put the partial throttle shifts will be firmer with more and softer with less. I only put one in because it is my DD.

[MikeMoss]

Oops Double Post

[LS2Tuner]

went to trans go website and learned more. Sounds like a great idea--claims to fix some common probs; many of which i've experienced even after the rebuild. (ex--hard 1-2 shift, lag when shifting between R and D).

LS2Tuner--I'm confused. I went to your link and what you describe seems to be what a 'reprogramming kit' does which seems different from a shift kit. Can someone outline the differences between what the 2 do for you?

All of the advice in this thread tends to suggest that shift kits reduce slipping and heat and extend life--and i'm sure you're right; i know very little about this and am trying to understand. What i just read explained that a reprogramming kit would do all of that; nothing like that mentioned with shift kits alone. And on the trans go reprogramming kit for our cars it says that on cars with torque management it will not firm up shifts. Help me (us) understand better??

First off the "Reprogramming Kit" is a more complete kit then a common "shift kit" that just boosts line pressure and give you a firmer spring.
Your running on a stock tune right now?
Your Tq Management should be turned almost off or 100% off.

Here's my questions on this shift kit matter....

1. How "annoying" will my shifts be in my DD? Will i start to hate the firmness of the shifts? Will a date think my car is falling apart?
2. How long would it take a novice to install the kit?
3. If I install a shift kit, will tuning the tranny with a programmer do anything to it? Am I better off tuning the tranny as opposed to installing a shift kit?

Mostly i'm worried about how a DD will feel just going to the grocery store and back. I dont need to chirp the tires in front of a cop, lol.

There is different levels you can set it up as when installing. You could make it to where you would barely know it was installed until a full throttle blast.

Yes you can firm up the shifts and rpms with a reprogramming. But the ECU can only change hyd. pressure and actuation not spring rates and hyd volume.

[Sommer86@6LE]

1. Not at all during normal driving it is almost as smooth as stock. No you will grow to want them firmer. I dont think so I have never had anyone say anything. or even notice.
2. It took me 6 hours in my driveway on jackstands, I would find a friend or someone to help you.
3. When you tune the tranny with the pcm you can get pretty much the same results but I have heard that doing it with a shift kit is safer and better for your transmission.

My car is my DD and I am more happy with the way it shifts now after installing the TransGo HD2 shift kit. You will only chirp the tires if you are wide open.

And with my shift kit you can control how firm the non wide open shifts are with these spacers that go in the 2nd gear accumulator. So depending on how many spacers you put the partial throttle shifts will be firmer with more and softer with less. I only put one in because it is my DD.

Thanks Mike, I really appreciate the answers!

[Sommer86@6LE]

fellas, you rock!!! thanks a lot!

[LS2Tuner]

Here's my questions on this shift kit matter....

1. How "annoying" will my shifts be in my DD? Will i start to hate the firmness of the shifts? Will a date think my car is falling apart?
2. How long would it take a novice to install the kit?
3. If I install a shift kit, will tuning the tranny with a programmer do anything to it? Am I better off tuning the tranny as opposed to installing a shift kit?

Mostly i'm worried about how a DD will feel just going to the grocery store and back. I dont need to chirp the tires in front of a cop, lol.

If it is a good trans shop they will install a pressure guage and command the solenoids with a scan tool and see what the pressure is and can adjust from there.
Many half ass shops will just adjust the plunger on the pressure solenoid to increase line pressure which firms up the shifts also.
It isn't worth the time and frustration for me to attempt this on my back in the garage or driveway. Spend the money tell them the how you want it to shift. If it is not how you like it when you come back to get it tell them and it will get adjusted. Also you need a parts washer to clean the valve body and pan too.

[Pro Built Automatics]

The TransGo Performance Shift kit, if setup the way that I do them will keep the shifts smooth at part throttle, and the shifts getting firmer with more throttle. The shifts should be fairly quick but not too firm at light to medium throttle openings. Quick shifts are all that are needed. Firm shifts where you break loose the tires should only happen with the torque/horsepower you are making, not how hard you can make the transmission shift. A properly accumulated 1-2 & 2-3 shift is always easier on a transmission in terms of longevity, than a non-accumulated or very limited accumulated shift. Firm part throttle shifts get annoying, can be dangerous, hard on the geartrain, etc., and the biggest reason, women hate it when they are riding with you.

[Sommer86@6LE]

The TransGo Performance Shift kit, if setup the way that I do them will keep the shifts smooth at part throttle, and the shifts getting firmer with more throttle. The shifts should be fairly quick but not too firm at light to medium throttle openings. Quick shifts are all that are needed. Firm shifts where you break loose the tires should only happen with the torque/horsepower you are making, not how hard you can make the transmission shift. A properly accumulated 1-2 & 2-3 shift is always easier on a transmission in terms of longevity, than a non-accumulated or very limited accumulated shift. Firm part throttle shifts get annoying, can be dangerous, hard on the geartrain, etc., and the biggest reason, women hate it when they are riding with you.

So any idea of a shop i can get this done near me? Where are you? I'm in LA, near hollywood.

[Pro Built Automatics]

Call Harry at 818 9081746, & leave a message. He is in the Glendale area. He has a dyno shop and should be able to do this. Dana

[jigger1166]

What's the diff. between these two, besides the price?

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/trg-4l60e.jpg


http://www.oregonperformancetransmission.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/TRG-HD2SK.jpg

[Rikki_SeVeN]

What's the diff. between these two, besides the price?

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/trg-4l60e.jpg


http://www.oregonperformancetransmission.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/TRG-HD2SK.jpg

+1 ... ???

[Sommer86@6LE]

+1 ... ???

+1??

I saw both on e-bay yesterday... but dont know which to buy? do both have that PWM thing?? lol...

[LS2Tuner]

What's the diff. between these two, besides the price?

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/trg-4l60e.jpg


http://www.oregonperformancetransmission.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/TRG-HD2SK.jpg

+1 ... ???

+1??

I saw both on e-bay yesterday... but dont know which to buy? do both have that PWM thing?? lol...

Post some part numbers and I'll tell you the difference.

[jigger1166]

Post some part numbers and I'll tell you the difference.

4L60E

4L60E-HD2

Those are the part numbers, respectively.

[LS2Tuner]

4L60E

4L60E-HD2

Those are the part numbers, respectively.

The SK4L60E is just a "shift kit" and doesn't do as many mods as the "reprogrammer kit". Here is there description. "Corrects/Prevents/Reduces: FIXES Code 1870 Trouble light & Hard 1-2 shift. No lockup or 4th. Fixes harmonic bounce that wears out pump and valves and causes shuttle shifts. Fwd and L/R clutch burnup; 1-2 bump; double bump; slide-bump.Has new design Isolator/Conv Valve that works Perfect in worn bore w/o special tools or machining. Lets you build real winners
Easy and Fast."

The 4L60E-HD2 kit description "Crisp muscle car or full race shifts. Puts the driver in command. Holds 1st, 2nd, 3rd to any speed.
Backshifts to 3rd, 2nd & 1st by moving the lever.."
Here is also a installation video link for you from TransGo. http://www.transgo.com/video.php

This page has some nice graphs to help you see the changes made by the complete kit. http://www.txchange.com/transgo.htm

:goodluck:

[02WS6dream]

Thanks everyone for all the great info!

Your running on a stock tune right now?
Your Tq Management should be turned almost off or 100% off.

yes, stock tune as far as i know.

[LS2Tuner]

Thanks everyone for all the great info!



yes, stock tune as far as i know.

No problem here to help.
Not familiar with Tyler but if you have a good tuners around there I would put the Re-Programmer kit it and get it tuned. Get that Tq Man. deleted! God you'll be sooooo happy it will be night and day difference. Just in regular driving.

[Sommer86@6LE]

So you guys are saying the the 4L60E-HD2 is the way to go, since you have more options to tweak the tranny?

[LS2Tuner]

So you guys are saying the the 4L60E-HD2 is the way to go, since you have more options to tweak the tranny?

Yes sir that is the complete kit.

[Sommer86@6LE]

thanks LS2Tuner!!

[jigger1166]

Why does the HD2 kit cost less than the other kit, if it's the "complete kit" ?

[LS2Tuner]

Why does the HD2 kit cost less than the other kit, if it's the "complete kit" ?

Who knows. Maybe cause they sell more of the other kits or could be the vendor also!

All I know is there is major difference in what they include.

[1998_trans_am_ls1]

i think the shift kit is worth it i have one in my 98 trans am

[Pro Built Automatics]

The red/white/blue kit (4L60EHD2) is the reprogramming kit that is for the transmission shop. It comes with the HD input drum return springs. The other kit (for the do-it-yourselfer) does not come with the HD input drum return springs, and it comes with a video. Always go with the written instructions, as it is updated constantly, as the video is not updated.

[bigtyme1]

which trans go kit should I get for a 4L60E?

[LS2Tuner]

It's posted...... Did you not read the 4 pages?
There is part #'s listed and all for your trans already.:goodluck:

[99Trans_Am]

Yes it is worth it! It will aid in your trannys life also.
Yes the TransGo kit is better than B&M's.
If you talk to any real tranny builder that build race trannys on a regular basis and they all use TransGo.
Not sure where your at I didn't look but a nice tranny cooler is a good investment also. If you do install one make sure you put a MAG/FILTER in-line right before it goes into the new cooler also.


Ya i had a shift kit in my old bird, and when it got hit i baught a ta with a shift kit already in it, blew the tranny a month into it, then when i got it back i blew it three days later.. Sucked.. so the company that did it took out my shift kit (i had a 3 year waranty) and now i technically cant touch it... :thumbdn:

[ATCharming]

Ya i had a shift kit in my old bird, and when it got hit i baught a ta with a shift kit already in it, blew the tranny a month into it, then when i got it back i blew it three days later.. Sucked.. so the company that did it took out my shift kit (i had a 3 year waranty) and now i technically cant touch it... :thumbdn:

did u have a tranny cooler?

[99Trans_Am]

no tranny cooler lol, but the second time it was like slow motion it was like i watched it happen i was shiftin manual (a4 guy) and i knew i shoulda been babying it but i didnt care with a 3 year waranty, and i usually throw it into 2 around 5500 rpms, maybe a lil higher, and itl shift right after the yellow perfectly, well i fucked that up and i seen it go to the red and i was like Fuc****** and crack*, my rear end seased up and i skidded to a stop

[Sommer86@6LE]

damn.....

[ATCharming]

no tranny cooler lol, but the second time it was like slow motion it was like i watched it happen i was shiftin manual (a4 guy) and i knew i shoulda been babying it but i didnt care with a 3 year waranty, and i usually throw it into 2 around 5500 rpms, maybe a lil higher, and itl shift right after the yellow perfectly, well i fucked that up and i seen it go to the red and i was like Fuc****** and crack*, my rear end seased up and i skidded to a stop

tranny cooler for $25 would have saved u probably

[Sommer86@6LE]

So what does torque management actually do? Whats it feel like? Whats the difference you feel?

[bgable]

im pretty sure it governs the torque like when you gun it or when you are slowing rolling then shift from like R to D...when i had mine taken off felt like a new animal and broke the tires loose alot easier:drivin: :D

[Sommer86@6LE]

Nice, but are the shifts still smooth? I'm just looking for free power I can unlock

[5.7FormulaFury]

How do you shift it??? Im a noob to this automatic shifting..lol

[bgable]

depends which kit you get, you can make them softer or harder i personally like to feel the car shift but its adjustable through the kit or the tune (add line pressure during shifts)