Called out by a turbo TA

[cam02ss]

Yea...the typical BS. A bunch of us are on this local board called Turbo Forum. In the kills section there are a few threads that have turned into a free for all as far as call outs go, so I told this guy with the turbo TA that I'd do a pull with him and the next thing I know I'm getting a call out for a money run. Part that sucks is the board went down today right after I was notified that he replied with something else so I have no idea what he said.

There are a couple rumors going around; one being that he is laying down between 800-1100 to the wheels depending on boost and the other rumor being that it's a stock bottom end and he's not seeing half that much power. Anyway, I'm sure he thinks he has nothing to worry about since my 408 only put down 476 to the wheels (spinning on a mustang dyno), and yes it's an M6. He may or may not know that I have a nitrous kit waiting to get put on.

Sooo, I'll keep you guys posted about this one because I'm sure this whole thing is going to sink into some sort of major show down as fast as a submarine with screen doors.

BTW...unless he's really making that kind of crazy power...)which I'd like to really find out what's up because Saturday night they were riding around with a hand held programmer), I think I'll give him a good run. My Mods are below.

Engine Mods

ARD built iron block 408
-Callies Dragonslayer Crank
-Callies Compstar rods
-Clevite bearings
-Diamond coated pistons (11.5:1 compression)
-Texas Giant camshaft
-LQ9 stage 3 heads 68CC combustion chambers, 340 CFM
-Ported LS6 oil pump
-Nick Williams 90mm TB
-Victor Junior single plane intake w/ custom elbow

Supporting Mods

-LS1 motorsports air lid
-Free mods
-ATI TH400
-ATI 3800 stall
-Kooks 1 7/8 stepped headers into 3" collectors
-custom true duals through single chamber flowmasters, side exit
-Spohn subfram connectors
-Spohn adjustable Torque arm
-Spohn lower control arms
-Spohn panhard bar
-Strange 12 bolt w/ 4.11's

Nitrous

-Zex plate system adjustable 200-300 shot.


Wheels/Tires

-15-3.5 Weld Prostars w/ skinnies
-15x10 Weld Prostars w/ 325 Mickey Thompson ET Streets

Tuning

Tuning by Bret Shook at F Body Central. 476/443 on a mustang dyno spinning w/ 2 people sitting on the ass end of the car.

[superchargedblackgto]

If he doesn't have a forged bottom end then I don't think he is making that much power. The crank is only good for about 800-1000bhp. If the top end is not done then he is nowhere near that.....my .02worth. If it does have that much hp...then its who can hook up.

[Silver Streak]

Good luck.

[jrc1122]

get it on video, :)

[cam02ss]

Oh I will, plus I am trading intakes with my friend who has a FAST 90. He needs my intake for his FI and I need a FAST back so once that's on I'm going to retune, dyno and hopefully be well over 500 rwhp. Then who knows with the direct port 200+...so we'll see...I don't like to bench race.

[SAGGIN]

This outta be good!!:sword:

[AKIRA]

Prediction:

Race never happens and this will be another forgotten "what if" thread.

[Silver Streak]

:lol:

[cam02ss]

Prediction:

Race never happens and this will be another forgotten "what if" thread.

You must have me confused with someone else...it's going to happen

[98T/Aformula]

You must have me confused with someone else...it's going to happen

Thats what they all say lol :shitstorm:

[2000T/A Guru]

We lets think about this a Turbo T/A with the stock block and forged internal can handle like 700hp if your lucky, they say once your above 800-900 hp you really need to ditch the aluminium block for a cast iron. Also with stock internals with 10 to 1 or high compression, amkeing 800hp is impossbile with a turbo setup once you push more then i would say 12psi your gonna cause some serious detonation on a high compression motor.

[SnakeEatr]

well I am no fan of pussy ass NOS. I consider it like steroids, gives you the "muscle" you dont have and its sneaky too. Muscle means fuck the artificial crap!

[SAGGIN]

well I am no fan of pussy ass NOS. I consider it like steroids, gives you the "muscle" you dont have and its sneaky too. Muscle means fuck the artificial crap!

Maybe you havn't experianced the effects of N2o. It is steriods but for ur car. Barry can have his home runs but I want kills.

[SAGGIN]

Hey Snakeeatr post up some pics of that Berger.

[SnakeEatr]

Hey Snakeeatr post up some pics of that Berger.

um, go to my profile man! Got a BIG one of it! You got a SLP? HOT!

[cam02ss]

The car has plenty of muscle NA without the juice. I went to the track last night, dead hooked with my MT ET streets from a 5000 RPM launch and destroyed my 12 bolt. Spool time!

[SnakeEatr]

The car has plenty of muscle NA without the juice. I went to the track last night, dead hooked with my MT ET streets from a 5000 RPM launch and destroyed my 12 bolt. Spool time!

thats what I mean 408, NOS is for pussies! Like steroids for athletes!

[derrinx]

thats what I mean 408, NOS is for pussies! Like steroids for athletes!

a power adder is a power adder. who cares if its sneaky... it works...

[cam02ss]

a power adder is a power adder. who cares if its sneaky... it works...

+1..nothin sneaky about the Zex plate bolted inbetween the intake and intake elbow for the world to see. Kinda hard to miss a purple nitrous plate with a big Zex on the side

[AllMotorsbc]

Yea...the typical BS. A bunch of us are on this local board called Turbo Forum. In the kills section there are a few threads that have turned into a free for all as far as call outs go, so I told this guy with the turbo TA that I'd do a pull with him and the next thing I know I'm getting a call out for a money run. Part that sucks is the board went down today right after I was notified that he replied with something else so I have no idea what he said.

There are a couple rumors going around; one being that he is laying down between 800-1100 to the wheels depending on boost and the other rumor being that it's a stock bottom end and he's not seeing half that much power. Anyway, I'm sure he thinks he has nothing to worry about since my 408 only put down 476 to the wheels (spinning on a mustang dyno), and yes it's an M6. He may or may not know that I have a nitrous kit waiting to get put on.

Sooo, I'll keep you guys posted about this one because I'm sure this whole thing is going to sink into some sort of major show down as fast as a submarine with screen doors.

BTW...unless he's really making that kind of crazy power...)which I'd like to really find out what's up because Saturday night they were riding around with a hand held programmer), I think I'll give him a good run. My Mods are below.

Engine Mods

ARD built iron block 408
-Callies Dragonslayer Crank
-Callies Compstar rods
-Clevite bearings
-Diamond coated pistons (11.5:1 compression)
-Texas Giant camshaft
-LQ9 stage 3 heads 68CC combustion chambers, 340 CFM
-Ported LS6 oil pump
-Nick Williams 90mm TB
-Victor Junior single plane intake w/ custom elbow

Supporting Mods

-LS1 motorsports air lid
-Free mods
-skip shift eliminator
-Textralia Exoskel twin disk clutch
-Kooks 1 7/8 stepped headers into 3" collectors
-custom true duals through single chamber flowmasters, side exit
-Pro 5.0 shifter w/ Lou's short stick
-Spohn subfram connectors
-Spohn adjustable Torque arm
-Spohn lower control arms
-Spohn panhard bar
-Strange 12 bolt w/ 4.30's

Nitrous

-Zex plate system adjustable 200-300 shot.


Wheels/Tires

-15-3.5 Weld Prostars w/ skinnies
-15x10 Weld Prostars w/ 325 Mickey Thompson ET Streets

Tuning

Tuning by Bret Shook at F Body Central. 476/443 on a mustang dyno spinning w/ 2 people sitting on the ass end of the car.

Hey will its 9SecNova from turboforum ( I have the green Nova) if you forgot. I met the guy with the Turbo T/A it is no joke, I don't know dyno numbers I didn't ask, it does sound very good. From what the owner told me Merkel Racing built the motor its a 408 iron block and Job Spetter Jr from Turbo people tuned it. I asked what turbo was on it and he said, dude I honestly don't know they ground off all the numbers and lettering on the turbo. The guy was real cool and never acted like a d'ck. He's still using the factory 10bolt and he squeezed 325/50/15 M/T Radials on the car. Just thought I'd pass that info onto you.

[SnakeEatr]

a power adder is a power adder. who cares if its sneaky... it works...

you oughta be a man and say hey, yeah I got NOS, not try concealing it.

[SnakeEatr]

+1..nothin sneaky about the Zex plate bolted inbetween the intake and intake elbow for the world to see. Kinda hard to miss a purple nitrous plate with a big Zex on the side

NOS is a by-product of rice. Did the dudes in the 60s run NOS in their street/drag races? Hell No! It was pure power! NOS came with rice guys!

[cam02ss]

Hey will its 9SecNova from turboforum ( I have the green Nova) if you forgot. I met the guy with the Turbo T/A it is no joke, I don't know dyno numbers I didn't ask, it does sound very good. From what the owner told me Merkel Racing built the motor its a 408 iron block and Job Spetter Jr from Turbo people tuned it. I asked what turbo was on it and he said, dude I honestly don't know they ground off all the numbers and lettering on the turbo. The guy was real cool and never acted like a d'ck. He's still using the factory 10bolt and he squeezed 325/50/15 M/T Radials on the car. Just thought I'd pass that info onto you.

That makes sence then if it's a built motor supporting that turbo. He's running the same tires as me and I just grenaded my 12 bolt at the track Friday night so he better do something about that 10 bold lol. I'd like to meet him in person but he came off actin like a dick on TF when he said about running for money.

[cam02ss]

NOS is a by-product of rice. Did the dudes in the 60s run NOS in their street/drag races? Hell No! It was pure power! NOS came with rice guys!

12 and 13 second cars were fast back then also. On a second note..referring to nitrous as "NOS" is a ricer term. Shut up

[Spaz]

well I am no fan of pussy ass NOS. I consider it like steroids, gives you the "muscle" you dont have and its sneaky too. Muscle means fuck the artificial crap!

thats what I mean 408, NOS is for pussies! Like steroids for athletes!

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q5/the_real_spaz/doggystylenoob.gif

:rotfl:

[Roastem]

:haha:

:rotfl:

[Raoul-Duke]

NOS is a by-product of rice. Did the dudes in the 60s run NOS in their street/drag races? Hell No! It was pure power! NOS came with rice guys!

actually theY did you dumbass, they called it nitro....and seriously you can say all the shit you want but when you come up to someone on the street and they blow your doors off...guess what, they still won....and at the track guess what, they'll still have faster times....n20 is one of the most effective performance mods you can do....i would like to see you go tell all the nhra guys or the funny cars that there pussy's for using n20...they'll laugh in your face...and nitrous is a ricer thing?? huh?? yeah maybe if you have seen f &f one too many times...people have been using n20 for decades before that pos movie ever came out

[cam02ss]

actually theY did you dumbass, they called it nitro....and seriously you can say all the shit you want but when you come up to someone on the street and they blow your doors off...guess what, they still won....and at the track guess what, they'll still have faster times....n20 is one of the most effective performance mods you can do....i would like to see you go tell all the nhra guys or the funny cars that there pussy's for using n20...they'll laugh in your face...and nitrous is a ricer thing?? huh?? yeah maybe if you have seen f &f one too many times...people have been using n20 for decades before that pos movie ever came out

You look familiar...are you on z28.com?

[Raoul-Duke]

You look familiar...are you on z28.com?

lol, mmmmaaybbe:naughty:congrats on the 408 man...gotta be a hell of a ride...

[derrinx]

lmao this guy is hilarious...

[derrinx]

whyd he get banned?

[riceslayer302]

lol nitrous started being used in wwii on fighter planes, then some guys after the war got ahold of it and threw it in a car... so yeah it was used in the 50's and 60's...

[cam02ss]

lol, mmmmaaybbe:naughty:congrats on the 408 man...gotta be a hell of a ride...

It's getting there...couple more things needed to be adjusted yet.

[Raoul-Duke]

It's getting there...couple more things needed to be adjusted yet.

what kinda rear you got in it?

[cam02ss]

what kinda rear you got in it?

The rear that broke is a Strange 12 bolt w/ 4.30s.

[Raoul-Duke]

The rear that broke is a Strange 12 bolt w/ 4.30s.

get that s60 boy and kiss you woes goodbye,lol

[cam02ss]

get that s60 boy and kiss you woes goodbye,lol

Lol yea I just gotta find someone to buy my 12 bolt now.

[Raoul-Duke]

Lol yea I just gotta find someone to buy my 12 bolt now.

haha dont look at me..im sellin my z because of that pos 10 bolt...i can never take it to the track cause ill blow it...the gto i have however has a mean ass rear soo i can throw whatever i want at it

[superchargedblackgto]

haha dont look at me..im sellin my z because of that pos 10 bolt...i can never take it to the track cause ill blow it...the gto i have however has a mean ass rear soo i can throw whatever i want at it
This Is soooo not a true statement....hahahaha:haha: throw what you want @ it and watch it melt down....Im on my 3rearend.....notice the sig........lol.....although just the 2 dana rear ends I got were just junk........could be?.....lol

[Raoul-Duke]

This Is soooo not a true statement....hahahaha:haha: throw what you want @ it and watch it melt down....Im on my 3rearend.....notice the sig........lol.....although just the 2 dana rear ends I got were just junk........could be?.....lol

from what im told its true....however you have to look at "your sig" lol...the mods are pretty impressive and your also a m6...i guess since im auto im supposed to be good for low 11's...i heard m6's are good till high 11's or soo...but with your mods your prob a llllitttle bit better than that,lol

[superchargedblackgto]

from what im told its true....however you have to look at "your sig" lol...the mods are pretty impressive and your also a m6...i guess since im auto im supposed to be good for low 11's...i heard m6's are good till high 11's or soo...but with your mods your prob a llllitttle bit better than that,lol
This is true, and you should be fine, however, I would @ least do the Harrop cover, for wheel hop, I no longer have wheel hop @ all, due to drive shaft, and cover.......maybe axel stubs, and half-shafts helped too....but you cannot "throw whatever you want @ it".........Voice of experience talking

[Raoul-Duke]

This is true, and you should be fine, however, I would @ least do the Harrop cover, for wheel hop, I no longer have wheel hop @ all, due to drive shaft, and cover.......maybe axel stubs, and half-shafts helped too....but you cannot "throw whatever you want @ it".........Voice of experience talking

yeah your prob right...well i hope it can at least take full bolt ons with dr's,lol for now..soo that harrop cover really is an improvement, huh?

[superchargedblackgto]

yeah your prob right...well i hope it can at least take full bolt ons with dr's,lol for now..soo that harrop cover really is an improvement, huh?
Yes it is, the 2piece drive shaft.....is poor and the diff, cradle is of poor design as well.......if you put on DR you will probably have wheel hop....if you don't notice it now with those you probably will, the harrop cover has better bracing.

[zero_proto]

i'm so bored and it is 5am on my deployment. Even though the weird most likely fake berger owning guy said, NOS is a ricer term, plus it is a brand. N20 or nitrous is fine, but ricers use the word NOS. CAM02ss is right.:flex:
But none the less i can't wait to see the results of this race, i was originally going with a nitrous fed 408 hell i was even looking at the a 418 but opted when tt stock cubes. So i am curious to see how this turns out.

[cam02ss]

Looks like it will be his Merkel built 408 with a "baby turbo" as he puts it against my nitrous fed 408. From talking to him he seems like a decent guy but we'll see. Nothing can happen until I have the 12 bolt fixed..which should be by the end of this week.

[Roastem]

Nitrous vs. turbo, gonna be a classic!

[slims00ls1z28]

Track or street? If its the street it will be a spin fest. Definately goint to want to see this outcome.

[cam02ss]

TH400 goes in at the end of next week.

[ls1blackbeauty98]

sounds like its going to be a good race, make sure u've got it on video.
btw i doubt that guy is pushing that much power, a 10 bolt!? give me a break... no one in their right mind would keep a STOCK 10 bolt on a car built to push that kinda power, that would be one of the first things to go.

sorry i always jump on your threads :)

[cam02ss]

Nah it's cool. We Pmed each other today and he does seem cool. He admitted to inflating his numbers to alot of people and from what he told me, he makes 525 to the tires.

[kyemt]

may not be a stock 10 bolt u just never know

[zero_proto]

well as for the 10 bolt, if he is putting 525 to the wheel it should be fine if it has survived that long.
I know a couple guys here in socal that put 550 and 650whp 700wtq on Nitrous and turbo one 650whp 650wtq on stock 10 bolts. I am amazed those things are not in pieces and they take them to the strip the first and A4 and the 2nd an M6.:p Well i think they both have girdles so that makes them not stock............hmmmm

10bolts are like a box of chocolates...................................you get the point.

[alwaysinboost]

TH400 goes in at the end of next week.

this race go down yet?

[cam02ss]

Not yet, still don't have my car back. We had to order another set of gears because the pinion bearing sized up in the set that was just installed so now we're waiting on the new gears.

[nesikachad]

actually theY did you dumbass, they called it nitro....and seriously you can say all the shit you want but when you come up to someone on the street and they blow your doors off...guess what, they still won....and at the track guess what, they'll still have faster times....n20 is one of the most effective performance mods you can do....i would like to see you go tell all the nhra guys or the funny cars that there pussy's for using n20...they'll laugh in your face...and nitrous is a ricer thing?? huh?? yeah maybe if you have seen f &f one too many times...people have been using n20 for decades before that pos movie ever came out


Uh, scooter, lets set the record straight.

NHRA Funny cars do NOT use Nitrous Oxide. They use Nitromethane and methanol.

NHRA Pro Classes (Pro Stock, Pro Stock Truck, Pro Stock Bike) do not use Nitromethane. These are normally aspirated engines running on carbs and gasoline. They have CID limits and weight limits. Vehicles must gauge to a template as well if I remember correctly.

Sportsman classes in NHRA do use Nitrous oxide.

IHRA is a different story. This is where you see "garden hose" nitrous systems, normally aspirated engines running on Nitro Meth and all sorts of other sick and demented ways of shoving horsepower down a butterfly's throat.

Nitromethane is different from Nitrous oxide. It is an accelerant where's nitrous is an oxidizer and "density intensifier" (my little fancy term).

Chemistry and physics are a bit different between the two.

What they do share in common is that they both deliver chemical oxygen to the combustion chamber.

N02 is 33% by volume
Nitrometh is about 56% by volume

If you ever watch top fuel, you'll notice that the car is started on one fuel and then switched to another. Nitro meth is so violent that if you attempt to start the vehicle with it, it'll more than likely "sneeze" the blower.

You start a nitro engine on alky, then gradually introduce the good stuff before making a pass. You'll see this on TV because the exhaust tone will become very distinctive when the fuel system makes the transition.

Not trying to be a dick, just being "edumacational":tmi:

[cailey37]

I got the winner......:naughtywa

[cam02ss]

I got the winner......:naughtywa

I'd be up for a run with you if we were closer. You blown ,turbo or sprayed?

[TNTramair]

so what happened to the "NOS is for pussies" guy???? id point him in the direction of a ton of pussies that would be more than glad to hand em his ass. i swear, people like that allways claim bottles are for babies yet they're the ones allways cryin.

ill give ya a race Will....:drivin: :notworthy:

[cam02ss]

so what happened to the "NOS is for pussies" guy???? id point him in the direction of a ton of pussies that would be more than glad to hand em his ass. i swear, people like that allways claim bottles are for babies yet they're the ones allways cryin.

ill give ya a race Will....:drivin: :notworthy:

Haha what's up rick? How close is your car to being finished? I was out Saturday night but didn't see any sign of the guy or his TA. I'm going to be headed down to West chester next weekend I think. Who said "NOS is for pussies"? I forget??

[Roastem]

He went to buy a nitrous kit.

[TNTramair]

thats what I mean 408, NOS is for pussies! Like steroids for athletes!

^he did...but he hasnt posted since.

my car should be ready at around the end of the summer...just in time for the Ocean City MD fall show.

[cam02ss]

^he did...but he hasnt posted since.

my car should be ready at around the end of the summer...just in time for the Ocean City MD fall show.

Awesome, I finally have mine back after breaking the gears, getting new ones and swapping the trans.

[nhraformula]

Uh, scooter, lets set the record straight.

NHRA Funny cars do NOT use Nitrous Oxide. They use Nitromethane and methanol.

NHRA Pro Classes (Pro Stock, Pro Stock Truck, Pro Stock Bike) do not use Nitromethane. These are normally aspirated engines running on carbs and gasoline. They have CID limits and weight limits. Vehicles must gauge to a template as well if I remember correctly.

Sportsman classes in NHRA do use Nitrous oxide.

IHRA is a different story. This is where you see "garden hose" nitrous systems, normally aspirated engines running on Nitro Meth and all sorts of other sick and demented ways of shoving horsepower down a butterfly's throat.

Nitromethane is different from Nitrous oxide. It is an accelerant where's nitrous is an oxidizer and "density intensifier" (my little fancy term).

Chemistry and physics are a bit different between the two.

What they do share in common is that they both deliver chemical oxygen to the combustion chamber.

N02 is 33% by volume
Nitrometh is about 56% by volume

If you ever watch top fuel, you'll notice that the car is started on one fuel and then switched to another. Nitro meth is so violent that if you attempt to start the vehicle with it, it'll more than likely "sneeze" the blower.

You start a nitro engine on alky, then gradually introduce the good stuff before making a pass. You'll see this on TV because the exhaust tone will become very distinctive when the fuel system makes the transition.

Not trying to be a dick, just being "edumacational":tmi:

nitro is also short for nitroglycerine which is a high explosive, just being anal here:moon:

[AKIRA]

God dammit, did this race happen yet..

[Frost]

sounds like its going to be a good race, make sure u've got it on video.
btw i doubt that guy is pushing that much power, a 10 bolt!? give me a break... no one in their right mind would keep a STOCK 10 bolt on a car built to push that kinda power, that would be one of the first things to go.

sorry i always jump on your threads :)

10 bolt is fine if you are on the street... I made 595RWHP (M6) without proper tuning (fatter than 9.9:1) at 10psi, and I run 16psi on the street with an AFR of 10.6-10.7:1 on pump gas and meth, so it HAS to be over 700rwhp. I have had somewhere around 15-20 races on the street and TONS and TONS of WOT pulls and my 10-bolt is still quiet.

I have a built/braked th400 just waiting for a beefy rear-end to go with it.


Nah it's cool. We Pmed each other today and he does seem cool. He admitted to inflating his numbers to alot of people and from what he told me, he makes 525 to the tires.

A built 40X" motor can make that much WITHOUT the boost, you can't honestly say that you believe him do you?

[cam02ss]

A built 40X" motor can make that much WITHOUT the boost, you can't honestly say that you believe him do you?

Nope, which is why I'm not too keen on racing him until I've got the bottle hooked up. Once he learned that I was spraying he PMed me saying that he wanted car lengths.

[TNTramair]

waaa waaa waaaa i want 8 car lengths and the break...waa waa waaa. fuckin babies!!

[Frost]

Well I've had nitrous on several cars, including a 99Z, but NOTHING pulls from the middle to the top like this turbo. He won't be able to get it moving off the line at all on the street. He will have to launch dead (NO boost) or spin like mad. Obviously your best shot regardless is from a dig. Running him from any kind of roll at all is crazy; especially if you have traded that M6 for a th400. I can go from strong vacuum to 16psi in about a second without brake boosting from a roll.

[BULLET_WS6]

i got my money on n2o here...

[cam02ss]

Well I've had nitrous on several cars, including a 99Z, but NOTHING pulls from the middle to the top like this turbo. He won't be able to get it moving off the line at all on the street. He will have to launch dead (NO boost) or spin like mad. Obviously your best shot regardless is from a dig. Running him from any kind of roll at all is crazy; especially if you have traded that M6 for a th400. I can go from strong vacuum to 16psi in about a second without brake boosting from a roll.

I can understand that. A couple friends of mine have turbos on their cars. The thing I have going for me is the torque that I'm going to pick up from the 200-300 shot. There could be alot of differences between the way your car is stup and the way his is done. I don't know what his true numbers are other than that he says he has dyno graphs that show 525. Whetehr or not those are valid ...who knows.

[nhraformula]

Well I've had nitrous on several cars, including a 99Z, but NOTHING pulls from the middle to the top like this turbo. He won't be able to get it moving off the line at all on the street. He will have to launch dead (NO boost) or spin like mad. Obviously your best shot regardless is from a dig. Running him from any kind of roll at all is crazy; especially if you have traded that M6 for a th400. I can go from strong vacuum to 16psi in about a second without brake boosting from a roll.


a instant 300 shot of giggle gas in the midrange rpm will be wicked.
ill put my money on that over a spooling turbo.

[Frost]

a instant 300 shot of giggle gas in the midrange rpm will be wicked.
ill put my money on that over a spooling turbo.


Riiiiiggghhhhhhhhhhtttttt a 300 shot in first gear on the street would get you outrun by a WAYYY slower car. Most people can't even do that at the track.

[cam02ss]

Riiiiiggghhhhhhhhhhtttttt a 300 shot in first gear on the street would get you outrun by a WAYYY slower car. Most people can't even do that at the track.

Not spraying in 1st gear. Hit the shot when I get to 2nd and let the progressive controller work it's magic. I might end up switching to a dual stage. I don't bench race and results vary car to car. The guy who tunes my car has a very similar 408, same cam, similar heads, same nitrous system, same transmission. Ran 10.60s on motor and with the spray (250 shot) ran a 9.41 on pump gas, MT ET streets and putting the car up on the rear tires.

I dunno what the results are going to be, for a turbo 408 I would hope that he has his shit together. On the other hand I know that my car isn't going to be some half assed jimmy jack rigged POS.

[Chris Arnold]

Sounds like it's going to come down to traction to me. If this guy is running an auto, he can trasbrake and spool it up to leave the line just as hard as you will on the spray. I think that if it's a good build, you don't stand much of a chance. I'm building a 331 to run 700rwhp on pump gas and over 1000 on race gas. My turbo is small and about 300 hp less capable of doing what I could do with 77 extra cubic inches.

For your edification, there's a guy on turbo mustangs running in the 8.7s with a 327 cubic inch SBF and a th400 tranny. He's running the same turbo I am, and it is a much smaller turbo than I'd even consider on a 408, even for the street.

Anyway, on the street, you're not going to hook up the 1300+ hp his motor may be capable of. If you stick the launch and he doesn't, no amount of boost is likely to save him.

Good luck,

Chris

[Chris Arnold]

BTW, I think that the 525 rwhp number is BS. That's a seriously sorry number for a turbo 408, and it doesn't make any sense that he's have dumped the money into the internals to make that little power.

[cam02ss]

He's got a stock 6 speed trans with a stock rear. I dunno the specifics of his motor but if he was going to do something that serious along the lines of 1300 capable or shoot for 8s in the 1/4 I'd think the drivetrain would be a priority. I do know it's a Merkel 408 with a "baby turbo" according to the owner and that the numbers have been ground off of the turbo. He says he doesn't know what turbo is even on the car which sounds like another load of BS. I figure there's no shame in losing this race considering most of the turbo 408s I've seen run their asses off. He can tell me 525 all day long and I still won't believe him.

[BULLET_WS6]

He's got a stock 6 speed trans with a stock rear. I dunno the specifics of his motor but if he was going to do something that serious along the lines of 1300 capable or shoot for 8s in the 1/4 I'd think the drivetrain would be a priority. I do know it's a Merkel 408 with a "baby turbo" according to the owner and that the numbers have been ground off of the turbo. He says he doesn't know what turbo is even on the car which sounds like another load of BS. I figure there's no shame in losing this race considering most of the turbo 408s I've seen run their asses off. He can tell me 525 all day long and I still won't believe him.

yeah i would have to say i think you are going to win... but if i were you i wouldnt be doing the whole betting money on it thing

[cam02ss]

yeah i would have to say i think you are going to win... but if i were you i wouldnt be doing the whole betting money on it thing

We're not running for money. Just sucks having one car setup for the digs and 1/4 and the other one better off going from a roll on the highway.

[BULLET_WS6]

We're not running for money. Just sucks having one car setup for the digs and 1/4 and the other one better off going from a roll on the highway.

i know what you mean.. i have a friend that would be a good race... but he is a turbo civic, and hes not fast at all from a start... but he would eat me on the highway... so we dont know how to have a showdown

[Roastem]

i know what you mean.. i have a friend that would be a good race... but he is a turbo civic, and hes not fast at all from a start... but he would eat me on the highway... so we dont know how to have a showdown


Do it from a dig twice, then do it from a roll twice. Hell, do it a third time and fourth! Its just for sh*ts and giggles anyway.

[BULLET_WS6]

Do it from a dig twice, then do it from a roll twice. Hell, do it a third time and fourth! Its just for sh*ts and giggles anyway.

yeah im sure we will anyways... but i dont wanna steal this thread:nono:

[Street Lethal]

Excellent break down! :thumbup:

Uh, scooter, lets set the record straight.

NHRA Funny cars do NOT use Nitrous Oxide. They use Nitromethane and methanol.

NHRA Pro Classes (Pro Stock, Pro Stock Truck, Pro Stock Bike) do not use Nitromethane. These are normally aspirated engines running on carbs and gasoline. They have CID limits and weight limits. Vehicles must gauge to a template as well if I remember correctly.

Sportsman classes in NHRA do use Nitrous oxide.

IHRA is a different story. This is where you see "garden hose" nitrous systems, normally aspirated engines running on Nitro Meth and all sorts of other sick and demented ways of shoving horsepower down a butterfly's throat.

Nitromethane is different from Nitrous oxide. It is an accelerant where's nitrous is an oxidizer and "density intensifier" (my little fancy term).

Chemistry and physics are a bit different between the two.

What they do share in common is that they both deliver chemical oxygen to the combustion chamber.

N02 is 33% by volume
Nitrometh is about 56% by volume

If you ever watch top fuel, you'll notice that the car is started on one fuel and then switched to another. Nitro meth is so violent that if you attempt to start the vehicle with it, it'll more than likely "sneeze" the blower.

You start a nitro engine on alky, then gradually introduce the good stuff before making a pass. You'll see this on TV because the exhaust tone will become very distinctive when the fuel system makes the transition.

Not trying to be a dick, just being "edumacational":tmi:

[PhillyLs1]

Will
I just got new Heads and the clutch is on it's way. I learned a shortcut to York. I'll be up there soon. Too bad I'm in the middle of nowhere without a lift.
I'm shooting for September timeframe.

[cam02ss]

Will
I just got new Heads and the clutch is on it's way. I learned a shortcut to York. I'll be up there soon. Too bad I'm in the middle of nowhere without a lift.
I'm shooting for September timeframe.

Good to know man. They want their optimal race now that I'm a stalled auto car. You know the deal.

[TNTramair]

Good to know man. They want their optimal race now that I'm a stalled auto car. You know the deal.

im still a 6-speed with a stock trans and stock rear...maybe they'll wanna have some fun with me....:toetap:

[nhraformula]

Riiiiiggghhhhhhhhhhtttttt a 300 shot in first gear on the street would get you outrun by a WAYYY slower car. Most people can't even do that at the track.

where did i say in first gear??

[Frost]

Hey.... well then maybe he can ask the other guy not to use boost until then either...

[cam02ss]

Hey.... well then maybe he can ask the other guy not to use boost until then either...

Hey...or maybe he can just go from the dig, or we'll just keep things the way they are, I'll click one down into 2nd and hit the spray.

Anyway..this race isn't going to happen for a while down. Something happend inside the motor...dunno if it's a bearing or what.

[Roastem]

You just got that thing built didn't you!!?? :faint:

[cam02ss]

You just got that thing built didn't you!!?? :faint:

Yea...I've smacked on it a grand total of 5 times. Twice at the track, 3 times around town. It's got less than 1500 miles on it. Followed the proper break in recommendations,etc. We're in the process of finding out what went wrong and going from there. I'm still hoping it's the flexplate that broke but who knows.

[AKIRA]

This race STILL hasnt happened?!

[Hurley711]

This race STILL hasnt happened?!

of course not, it's only been about 6 weeks.

[Roastem]

Yea...I've smacked on it a grand total of 5 times. Twice at the track, 3 times around town. It's got less than 1500 miles on it. Followed the proper break in recommendations,etc. We're in the process of finding out what went wrong and going from there. I'm still hoping it's the flexplate that broke but who knows.

Dang man, hate to hear that. Hopefully it is not in the motor. A bearing, damn, that ain't a simple fix. Sounds costly.

[cam02ss]

Akira and Hurley, if you read above you'll figure out why it hasn't happend.

[cam02ss]

Dang man, hate to hear that. Hopefully it is not in the motor. A bearing, damn, that ain't a simple fix. Sounds costly.

Not going to cost me a dime if it's anything to do with the motor. Under warrenty

[Roastem]

Nice! :thumbup:

Still a PITA though...

[hutch1999]

wow brought back from the dead for no real reason

[nathanmoretti!!11]

if he has all that power he will never be able to hook up on the street so race him from the digg and u will kill him cuz u can hit the button at the point when u hook up and hes gonna spin all day on the street

nasty nate

[4tun8]

Hey werent you the guy that wanted to race me as well???? If you have a running car a bunch of us are going to be at Cecil on Saturday....I'd run you if you didn't spray it =p

[Sleeper101]

thats what I mean 408, NOS is for pussies! Like steroids for athletes!

+10..... A-MEN!!!!!!!!!!

Im not a Nos fan either, Turbo or supercharger FTW.

Good luck on the race man, Sounds like two bad ass cars going at it....