cobra

[35thAnniZ28]

just beat one right now... feel pretty psyched....though it wasnt supercharged..(i don't think so)...it feels..good

[Muscle]

i thought all cobras were supercharged and thas wat made them cobras and not GT's?

[Y2KPewterSS]

Only '03/'04 Cobras had a supercharger from the factory.

Off to the Kill forums this goes :)

[Street Lethal]

just beat one right now... feel pretty psyched....though it wasnt supercharged..(i don't think so)...it feels..good

He heh, yeah, I've taken out many of those non-supercharged Cobras myself lol.... :rolleyes: :D ;)

[Muscle]

Only '03/'04 Cobras had a supercharger from the factory.

Off to the Kill forums this goes :)

so the earlier model cobras jus had a couple more engine upgrades than the gt?

[BLKCLOUD]

Depends on the year.

93-95 Cobras were 5.0s with a bit better heads & intake than a GT. 93s were rated at 235 HP (GT was 205), and 94/95 were rated at 240 HP (GT was 215).

96-01 were N/A aluminum 4.6s, DOHC, 4V heads. GTs were iron block, 2V heads, SOHC. The difference in power was much more significant from 96+ than it was from 93-95.

96-98 were rated at 305 HP, and typically put down 260-ish RWHP. 96-98 GTs were rated at 215/225 (98).

99/01 (there was no regular 2000 Cobra) were rated at 320 HP, and typically put down 275-ish RWHP. Note that 99s were recalled due to inconsistent power (some made what was advertised, some made a LOT less). Also, 99/01 Cobras have an IRS. 99+ GTs were all rated at 260 HP.

[35thAnniZ28]

damn....mustangs are inferior

[blue02Z]

damn....mustangs are inferior

not terminators:naughty:

[Rikki_SeVeN]

For every Mustang you kill a Angel gets it's wings...:yup:

[jbb6811]

For every Mustang you kill a Angel gets it's wings...:yup:

man i 've helped a few my self!

[jbb6811]

damn....mustangs are inferior

hey whats that next to your car? looks like a english bulldog?
can you post your avitar?

[Rikki_SeVeN]

I also hear that after you pass the 100 kill mark...you get to be a patron saint or something... but I don't have the full info on that...:rockon:

[jbb6811]

wow that sounds killer......i'll check to see how close i am.

but most blue ovals steer clear of me. i am stuck to racing lt1's ls1's and a few imports if i feel like playing

but is there any thing for you to run down there?

[Rikki_SeVeN]

Over here this is Mustang Central...so I'm sure I'll be Patron Saint of PR... by the time I'm 30something...

it's been lacking in the past few months cause of the rising fuel prices and all... (yes we suffer when you suffer)... but there's a big sense here...the Metro Area is so meshed together...that it has become a huge concentration of Gear Heads in one area...mostly imports though...and the odd F-body(Mainly me :( )

[Pumped03]

damn....mustangs are inferior

You can tell you've never been to a track. I've owned 99, 01 and 03 Cobras. A 4v Cobra with 4.10's and a full exhaust is all an LS1 can handle.

[preston1980]

damn....mustangs are inferior
:hasquint::hasquint::hasquint::hasquint::hasquint: :hasquint::hasquint::hasquint: :newbie:

[Muscle]

You can tell you've never been to a track. I've owned 99, 01 and 03 Cobras. A 4v Cobra with 4.10's and a full exhaust is all an LS1 can handle.

maybe a STOCK ls1, pony boi.

[mogs01gt]

maybe a STOCK ls1, pony boi.
LMAO
Yes, all stock ls1's run high 12s. :rotfl:

[shady milkman]

i love these threads..i'm not all on ls1's dick or anything..but mustang owners always say..oh only a pulley..only a exhaust, headers,pulleys,tune and gears and then ls1's could barely run with a mustang.....always side stepping the fact that mustangs are heavier and underpowered..dont bring weak ass statements like that. stock for stock ls1's walk almost every mustang..besides the terms ..but thats a whole other story. give a ls1 those same mods and then run that mustang with the same mods and see what happens..just be realize that the ls1 is faster then your stock stang motor. period.

[BLKCLOUD]

Quick question for you there shady milkman. What is the quickest stock-motored M6 LS1 you are aware of?

By "stock motor", I'm referring to those cars which have external bolt-ons only, ie...internally stock, no modifications to the heads, stock cams, stock short block, etc. Typical mods would be full exhaust, gearing, suspension, weight reduction, perhaps aftermarket intakes, etc.

Thanks.
Bob

PS....Note I specified M6 because quite frankly, Ford automatics generally suck, and can't compete (performance wise) with their GM counterparts. Manuals, on the other hand, all come from the same company (TTC).

[shady milkman]

Quick question for you there shady milkman. What is the quickest stock-motored M6 LS1 you are aware of?

By "stock motor", I'm referring to those cars which have external bolt-ons only, ie...internally stock, no modifications to the heads, stock cams, stock short block, etc. Typical mods would be full exhaust, gearing, suspension, weight reduction, perhaps aftermarket intakes, etc.

Thanks.
Bob

PS....Note I specified M6 because quite frankly, Ford automatics generally suck, and can't compete (performance wise) with their GM counterparts. Manuals, on the other hand, all come from the same company (TTC).

why?

[shady milkman]

i consider stock straight from the factory.

[mogs01gt]

i love these threads..i'm not all on ls1's dick or anything..but mustang owners always say..oh only a pulley..only a exhaust, headers,pulleys,tune and gears and then ls1's could barely run with a mustang.....always side stepping the fact that mustangs are heavier
Heavier huh?? facts... nice facts.....:sillyme:

[SuPeRmAn23]

i have a stock ls1 camaro z-28 and i raced an 03 mustang gt...he was really convinced he can beat me cuz i have an automatic....he had some minor mods and said he ran 13.7 on the tracks so i raced him...i think it was like a second he stayed with me and then i pulled away =)...im guessing he kept up with my cuz i dont have good tires and i took off burning

[sprayed cobra]

For every Mustang you kill a Angel gets it's wings...:yup:
You know how many Angels Ive killed !

[shady milkman]

Heavier huh?? facts... nice facts.....:sillyme:

oh mustangs arent heavier huh?

[sprayed cobra]

wow that sounds killer......i'll check to see how close i am.

but most blue ovals steer clear of me. i am stuck to racing lt1's ls1's and a few imports if i feel like playing

but is there any thing for you to run down there? I wish I lived closer ...I would even take the blower belt off and pump you .:lol:

[BLKCLOUD]

why?

i consider stock straight from the factory.

Ok, I have no issue with that, but you also said...

...give a ls1 those same mods and then run that mustang with the same mods and see what happens..just be realize that the ls1 is faster then your stock stang motor. period...

That is "why".

Is there any other reason you don't wish to answer the question? Perhaps you wouldn't like the answer?

Additionally, Mustangs are not "always heavier" than F-bodies. In fact, it is usually the other way around. Because of this, and things like gearing (not just final drive ratio), bone stock Mustangs like the Mach 1 are a very good matchup against a bone stock LS1. Though personally, I'd still give the edge to the LS1 (assuming equal drivers).

Bob

[sprayed cobra]

Heavier huh?? facts... nice facts.....:sillyme:
I hope I get this right
http://www.nmratv.com/index.php?stream=http://www.nmratv.com/video/racecoverage/wfc10/20070519_Lidio_Iacobellio.flv&playlist=1

[shady milkman]

01 cobra 3,430 lbs- 1/4 13.8
01z28 3424- 1/4 13.4
oops silly me i dont have my facts straight.

[shady milkman]

Ok, I have no issue with that, but you also said...



That is "why".

Is there any other reason you don't wish to answer the question? Perhaps you wouldn't like the answer?

Additionally, Mustangs are not "always heavier" than F-bodies. In fact, it is usually the other way around. Because of this, and things like gearing (not just final drive ratio), bone stock Mustangs like the Mach 1 are a very good matchup against a bone stock LS1. Though personally, I'd still give the edge to the LS1 (assuming equal drivers).

Bob

no see this is my problem that mustang owners always seem to do..well the term or the mach or the cobra..well i dont give a shit. svt handled that..and i dont care about those cars because they arent factory stock..at least i dont consider that factory stock. those are special editions. just talking GT.

[shady milkman]

i mean its the same as people who talk about 93-97 vs 98-02 and they talk about ohh well what about the lt-4 that was in the firehawks ...i dont give a shit ..that is a rarity. and the fact is the f-bodies didnt have huge overhaul editions like the mustang did period. i have no problem with mustangs. so go ahead and give me all these situations about how the mustang is better then the ls1..but it doesnt matter

[sprayed cobra]

Ok, I have no issue with that, but you also said...



That is "why".

Is there any other reason you don't wish to answer the question? Perhaps you wouldn't like the answer?

Additionally, Mustangs are not "always heavier" than F-bodies. In fact, it is usually the other way around. Because of this, and things like gearing (not just final drive ratio), bone stock Mustangs like the Mach 1 are a very good matchup against a bone stock LS1. Though personally, I'd still give the edge to the LS1 (assuming equal drivers).

Bob Nope Iowned the Mach 1 and there is no way stock for stock you would win unless the driver in the Mach sucks and with a 430 gear.... good bye and no other mods you can do your exhaust ..pullies cai it wont matter you will still lose those cars work well right outta the box and handle like mad ...I was going to buy a Camaro ,but decided to keep the rivalry going and was glad I did ..If you get a chance to drive one try it first give it a fair cahnce and line up on a camaro and pump it !:lol:

[SuPeRmAn23]

i raced a mach 1 . . . . good driver ...i just started not to long ago...i beat it .... they are fast just not fast enough for an ls1 bro sorry...

[sprayed cobra]

i raced a mach 1 . . . . good driver ...i just started not to long ago...i beat it .... they are fast just not fast enough for an ls1 bro sorry...

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:notworthy ::lol:

[mogs01gt]

oh mustangs arent heavier huh?
If you are referring to 05+(even though the GTs and F-bodies are very similar in weight) then yes you are correct but there arent any F-bodes to compare them to in these years so we stick to anything later than 02 and Mustangs have always been lighter except for the 03-04 Cobra.

no see this is my problem that mustang owners always seem to do..well the term or the mach or the cobra..well i dont give a shit. svt handled that..and i dont care about those cars because they arent factory stock..at least i dont consider that factory stock. those are special editions. just talking GT.
LMAO umm kid, SVT=Ford. You dont know much about cars do ya.

[GottaHaveLS1]

LS1 F Body (stock) > All non supercharged mustangs/cobras (also stock)

PERIOD.

GM should have supercharged the F bodies in 03 rather than getting rid of them. (Cobra sales nosedive due to 500 rwhp camaros and trans ams)

[sprayed cobra]

i raced a mach 1 . . . . good driver ...i just started not to long ago...i beat it .... they are fast just not fast enough for an ls1 bro sorry...

Stock Mach 1 .....http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geung3FmdGqNIAtajrFAx.;_ylu=X3oDMTB2b2gzdDd tBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZAM-/SIG=13pio1h4e/EXP=1181247415/**http%3A//www.mustangmonthly.com/featuredvehicles/2003_ford_mustang_mach_1_test_drive_review/index1.html

[SuPeRmAn23]

its a mustang site....stock 13.6 i ran 13.4 with my ls1

[BLKCLOUD]

01 cobra 3,430 lbs- 1/4 13.8
01z28 3424- 1/4 13.4
oops silly me i dont have my facts straight.

I can't believe I'm arguing over weight. But anyway....

There is no doubt an 01 LS1 F-body is quicker than an 01 Cobra. I would not even begin to argue that point. However, your weight statement is incorrect.

2001 Cobra = 3430 (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2001/ford/mustangsvtcobra/100001056/specs.html)
2001 Z28 = 3439 (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2001/chevrolet/camaro/100000590/specs.html)
2001 Mustang GT = 3273 (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2001/ford/mustang/100001050/specs.html)

Note that I'm showing the heaviest non-blown Mustang (01 Cobra) and the lightest LS1 F-body (Z28), along with the most common V8 Mustang, the GT. Also note I linked my source.

Though I cannot show proof, I can also tell you that my 99 T/A weighed 3660 lbs (with me) at VMP in October of 1999. My 99 Cobra weighed 3600 lbs (with me) at VMP in the summer of 2000.

Have you had an example of both cars in question?

no see this is my problem that mustang owners always seem to do..well the term or the mach or the cobra..well i dont give a shit. svt handled that..and i dont care about those cars because they arent factory stock..at least i dont consider that factory stock. those are special editions. just talking GT.

LOL. My 98 & 99 Cobra weren't "Factory Stock"? ROFLOL. Uncle. There is no arguing with that.....uh....."logic". Now, my 99 T/A wasn't factory stock....the orginal owner did some mods to it before I purchased it. Darn.

And if you don't care about them, then why reference the Cobra in your little statement about weight? Bueller?

BTW....is your 98 WS6 "factory stock"?

Bob

[BLKCLOUD]

LS1 F Body (stock) > All non supercharged mustangs/cobras (also stock)

The rest of your post aside, I have no arguement here. I think Mach 1's are probably closer than you give them credit for, but in general, I agree with you.

Bob

[shady milkman]

If you are referring to 05+(even though the GTs and F-bodies are very similar in weight) then yes you are correct but there arent any F-bodes to compare them to in these years so we stick to anything later than 02 and Mustangs have always been lighter except for the 03-04 Cobra.


LMAO umm kid, SVT=Ford. You dont know much about cars do ya.

wrong wrong wrong. listen buddy thats like saying the shelbys of old were put in the same discusions of mustangs...no they where the shelby...just like the machs are in the same catagory..and the term is deff in its own category. i know svt is a division of ford. but tell me of the 03-04 cobra years did the term or the cobra have the same internal engine or even external engine as the stock gt? i have nothing but respect for the machs, the s/ced cobras and the terms..but none for the GT. so i guess i should have been more specific. but if you can use the argument about bunching these tunned and modified cars from svt..why not throw the cobra R in there with your discion and say ohh well a cobra R can beat a stock ls1 and is lighter!!! so no they arent heavier and they arent faster then a mustang...see how that really doesnt make sense. man read up about shit your talking about. svt is just like srt. in house tuners..i dont consider anything with a srt badge as a factory car.

[shady milkman]

I can't believe I'm arguing over weight. But anyway....

There is no doubt an 01 LS1 F-body is quicker than an 01 Cobra. I would not even begin to argue that point. However, your weight statement is incorrect.

2001 Cobra = 3430 (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2001/ford/mustangsvtcobra/100001056/specs.html)
2001 Z28 = 3439 (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2001/chevrolet/camaro/100000590/specs.html)
2001 Mustang GT = 3273 (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2001/ford/mustang/100001050/specs.html)

Note that I'm showing the heaviest non-blown Mustang (01 Cobra) and the lightest LS1 F-body (Z28), along with the most common V8 Mustang, the GT. Also note I linked my source.

Though I cannot show proof, I can also tell you that my 99 T/A weighed 3660 lbs (with me) at VMP in October of 1999. My 99 Cobra weighed 3600 lbs (with me) at VMP in the summer of 2000.

Have you had an example of both cars in question?



LOL. My 98 & 99 Cobra weren't "Factory Stock"? ROFLOL. Uncle. There is no arguing with that.....uh....."logic". Now, my 99 T/A wasn't factory stock....the orginal owner did some mods to it before I purchased it. Darn.

And if you don't care about them, then why reference the Cobra in your little statement about weight? Bueller?

BTW....is your 98 WS6 "factory stock"?

Bob
i reference the cobra because of mogs' comment. no my ws6 isnt factory stock..went to asc for the ws6 option..i never said it was factory stock. never have considered it..it was out of house :itsok:
so the same applies for your cobras. at least the way i see it. if the entire car wasnt done "in house" then it isnt. the engine internals are the same however as the t/a and the z/28. now you cant say that about the cobra but i am not going to get into a pissing war with you blkcloud..because truely it doesnt matter. go ahead and just so you know the stripper Z28 is even lighter...so you didnt use the lightest f-body. but i will admit there are some mustangs that are lighter then f-bodies. so ok you win there. but i still stand by my statment the f-bodies are faster stock for stock then the mustang excluding svt products. but w/e

[BLKCLOUD]

wrong wrong wrong. listen buddy thats like saying the shelbys of old were put in the same discusions of mustangs...no they where the shelby...just like the machs are in the same catagory..and the term is deff in its own category. i know svt is a division of ford. but tell me of the 03-04 cobra years did the term or the cobra have the same internal engine or even external engine as the stock gt? i have nothing but respect for the machs, the s/ced cobras and the terms..but none for the GT. so i guess i should have been more specific. but if you can use the argument about bunching these tunned and modified cars from svt..why not throw the cobra R in there with your discion and say ohh well a cobra R can beat a stock ls1 and is lighter!!! so no they arent heavier and they arent faster then a mustang...see how that really doesnt make sense. man read up about shit your talking about. svt is just like srt. in house tuners..i dont consider anything with a srt badge as a factory car.

LOL. It has been a while since I've read such a steaming pile of dodo bird dung - but that last post was textbook.

i reference the cobra because of mogs' comment. no my ws6 isnt factory stock..went to asc for the ws6 option..i never said it was factory stock. never have considered it..it was out of house :itsok:
so the same applies for your cobras. at least the way i see it. if the entire car wasnt done "in house" then it isnt. the engine internals are the same however as the t/a and the z/28. now you cant say that about the cobra but i am not going to get into a pissing war with you blkcloud..because truely it doesnt matter.

Cobra's were built by Ford. They didn't go anywhere outside of Ford. A Cobra goes down the same line as a GT and a V6. Do you understand that? The EXACT same line.

Bob

PS....The 2000 Cobra R was QUITE heavy....as in....almost 3600 lbs (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/3206/road-test-ford-svt-mustang-cobra-r-page3.html) (w/o driver).

[shady milkman]

ok so not arguing weight...please tell me where i am dead wrong? educate me please.. tell me how the majority of mustangs are faster then the f-bodies. teach me

[BLKCLOUD]

Never said that, my friend. In the LS1 years (98-02), the F-body was most certainly quicker than any factory Mustang. It was significantly faster than the GT (most especially in 98), and still had a decent advantage over the Cobra. No arguement there - never was from me.

the first argument was on weight. I said you were wrong, and posted references to prove it. I Believe we have that worked out. BTW, the lightest of the LS1 F-bodys would have been a 1LE Z28. Pretty rare, but a pretty mean beast, too. Still not as light as a Mustang GT, but lighter than a Cobra.

Second, I think your position that Cobras aren't "factory stock" is completely and totally indefensible, for the reasons stated above. You *might* be able to make a case for Roush Mustangs, Saleen Mustangs, Steeda Mustangs, etc. But not the Cobra - they are pure Ford and pure factory.

Its funny....because I've also heard it argued (not from you) that an 03/04 Cobra isn't "stock" because it has a blower from the factory. Funny stuff.

Bob

[shady milkman]

Never said that, my friend. In the LS1 years (98-02), the F-body was most certainly quicker than any factory Mustang. It was significantly faster than the GT (most especially in 98), and still had a decent advantage over the Cobra. No arguement there - never was from me.

the first argument was on weight. I said you were wrong, and posted references to prove it. I Believe we have that worked out. BTW, the lightest of the LS1 F-bodys would have been a 1LE Z28. Pretty rare, but a pretty mean beast, too. Still not as light as a Mustang GT, but lighter than a Cobra.

Second, I think your position that Cobras aren't "factory stock" is completely and totally indefensible, for the reasons stated above. You *might* be able to make a case for Roush Mustangs, Saleen Mustangs, Steeda Mustangs, etc. But not the Cobra - they are pure Ford and pure factory.

Its funny....because I've also heard it argued (not from you) that an 03/04 Cobra isn't "stock" because it has a blower from the factory. Funny stuff.

Bob

well i guess i was wrong i apologize. i was under the impression that the cobras rolled off a different lines. i would never argue the blower bull shit. but i am pretty sure i speak for the majority of people when i say we call the gt and some others mustangs...we call the mustang mach 1 a mach and a cobra a cobra, and a term a term..because those 3 mustangs are in a whole other class..and it would be a disgrace to mention a term in the same breathe as a gt..but hey that is just me. plus i wouldnt mind a termy. i'd blow the hell out of it and push some serious numbers. oh this is my friend's replica gt 500. love this car http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u213/shady-milkman/000_0197.jpg

[preston1980]

Im gonna jump in here and agree with a little bit of everyones point.
The SVT cars are Fords, Ford just calls it SVT to give it a cool name, its still Ford. That way they can charge more money. And the WS6 is still a GM, just a top of the line model, much like the SVT Cobra is the Top of the Line Mustang. When it comes down to it, it is a Mustang and a Firebird, or Camaro.

Also as far as GT's go, from 96-04 the 2v 4.6 sucked. It is slow and its cornering ability is no where near a LS1 car. So as far as a GT goes, ya a LSx is by far superior in the stock trim. And yes it takes alot of mods to get one to run next to a LSx. But remeber that the consumewr gets what he or she pays for. A 2002 GT could be yours brand new for 24 grand. The LSx cars were alot more money. So in my opinion it evens out.

The 4 valve 4.6 liters were differant stories. The 96-98's were ok, they need gears and exhaust/tune and the other basic bolt ons, just to be close to a Lsx, but remeber ther competion was no the LS, it was the LT1. They faired well against them.
The 99 and 01 Cobra are even faster from the factory. They need gears and CAI/exhaust and a tune and they will run neck and neck with a stock LSx car. But once again you getr what you pay for, tghe 01 Ram Air/SS was in the 32k price range, a 01 Cobra was 28-29k area, the 2 or 3 grand you save will get the mods to catch up to the LSx cars.

The real bargins were the 03/04 cobras and the 03/04 Machs, the Mach was also 28-29k in price, it was under rated at 305 horse and will run with a stock LSx car (and they got the 3.55 gears from the factory). The 03/04 Cobra would kill a LSx car, and for a bargain price of 34k.

The new (2005+) is a descent car, they will run with a LSx car with a tune and exhaust/CAI. Especiall 0-60 mph. The GT 500 is a rip off. IMO

Bottom line, the LSx cars are supperior to a 96-04 GT, but not that much faster than a stock 4v Mustang (Cobra/Mach 1) But still they are faster.
Its all about what you like to drive.

[shady milkman]

good points preston about the competition.

[00ssSLP]

Cobra's were built by Ford. They didn't go anywhere outside of Ford. A Cobra goes down the same line as a GT and a V6. Do you understand that? The EXACT same line.

Bob



I believe this statement but from the assembly line that brought you the above mustangs from 1993-2002 I don't think any of them out performed any LT1 or LS1 F-body in your Motor Trends or other magazines of that type. I can actually recall buying a MM&FF magazine when I owned my 92 coupe and it saying how the camaro was edging out the mustang again, acually I'm sure I still have that magazine.

[00ssSLP]

Oh and I have nothing against Ford I still own a 67 Ford Fairlane XL500 289c.i. (I love that car had it since I was 16):happy:

[00ssSLP]

One thing I know the mustang did beat the F-body at is sales, if it were the other way around the F-body would have never been axed.:mad:

[preston1980]

well i guess i was wrong i apologize. i was under the impression that the cobras rolled off a different lines. i would never argue the blower bull shit. but i am pretty sure i speak for the majority of people when i say we call the gt and some others mustangs...we call the mustang mach 1 a mach and a cobra a cobra, and a term a term..because those 3 mustangs are in a whole other class..and it would be a disgrace to mention a term in the same breathe as a gt..but hey that is just me. plus i wouldnt mind a termy. i'd blow the hell out of it and push some serious numbers. oh this is my friend's replica gt 500. love this car http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u213/shady-milkman/000_0197.jpg
I agree, the GT and the Mach/Cobras should be mentioned in differant breaths. Well put.
I would never own a 2v 4.6 liter, if I had a 2v engine it would be a GM car.

Also, is that a condom on the lower part of your friends front bumper?

[shady milkman]

I agree, the GT and the Mach/Cobras should be mentioned in differant breaths. Well put.
I would never own a 2v 4.6 liter, if I had a 2v engine it would be a GM car.

Also, is that a condom on the lower part of your friends front bumper?

:lmao: i think soo!!!

[BLKCLOUD]

I believe this statement but from the assembly line that brought you the above mustangs from 1993-2002 I don't think any of them out performed any LT1 or LS1 F-body in your Motor Trends or other magazines of that type. I can actually recall buying a MM&FF magazine when I owned my 92 coupe and it saying how the camaro was edging out the mustang again, acually I'm sure I still have that magazine.

I don't like to magazine race. Unfortunately, in discussions like this, with older cars, sometimes that is all we have. That said...

In the LT1/LS1 years (93-02), there was not a Mustang GT that, stock for stock, could beat an LT1/LS1 F-body (equal drivers, conditions, etc).

A 93 Cobra was a good match for a 93 LT1 F-body. The LT1 had more power, the Cobra was lighter.

94/95 Cobra lagged behind the same year F-body, mainly because of the added weight of the SN95 Mustang (new in 94).

A 96/97 Cobra was easily a match for a 96/97 LT1 F-body.

98 Cobra was essentially a carry-over from 96/97, while the F-body got the LS1. Game over (stock to stock, equal drivers).

99/01 Cobras were not capable of outrunning same year LS1s (stock to stock, equal drivers).

In all cases, when the modifications begin, all bets are off.

Perhaps I'll do some magazine racing later to provide the evidence. Kind of busy right now.

Bob

[mogs01gt]

wrong wrong wrong. listen buddy thats like saying the shelbys of old were put in the same discusions of mustangs...no they where the shelby...just like the machs are in the same catagory..and the term is deff in its own category. i know svt is a division of ford. but tell me of the 03-04 cobra years did the term or the cobra have the same internal engine or even external engine as the stock gt? i have nothing but respect for the machs, the s/ced cobras and the terms..but none for the GT. so i guess i should have been more specific. but if you can use the argument about bunching these tunned and modified cars from svt..why not throw the cobra R in there with your discion and say ohh well a cobra R can beat a stock ls1 and is lighter!!! so no they arent heavier and they arent faster then a mustang...see how that really doesnt make sense. man read up about shit your talking about. svt is just like srt. in house tuners..i dont consider anything with a srt badge as a factory car.
Are you serious?Stock GT engine and the Cobra engine?? WHAT!?!?:hmm: Where in the world are you pulling this garbage from?:brick2: Sounds like you are thinking of Saleen and Roush.

[shady milkman]

:blah: :blah: welcome to yesterday mogs glad you could join :coffee:

[Rikki_SeVeN]

CAN'T WE ALL JUST... GET ALONG!?
:drama:

:gotboobies:

[00ssSLP]

I don't like to magazine race. Unfortunately, in discussions like this, with older cars, sometimes that is all we have. That said...

In the LT1/LS1 years (93-02), there was not a Mustang GT that, stock for stock, could beat an LT1/LS1 F-body (equal drivers, conditions, etc).

A 93 Cobra was a good match for a 93 LT1 F-body. The LT1 had more power, the Cobra was lighter.

94/95 Cobra lagged behind the same year F-body, mainly because of the added weight of the SN95 Mustang (new in 94).

A 96/97 Cobra was easily a match for a 96/97 LT1 F-body.

98 Cobra was essentially a carry-over from 96/97, while the F-body got the LS1. Game over (stock to stock, equal drivers).

99/01 Cobras were not capable of outrunning same year LS1s (stock to stock, equal drivers).

In all cases, when the modifications begin, all bets are off.

Perhaps I'll do some magazine racing later to provide the evidence. Kind of busy right now.

Bob

I can agree that some of the Mustangs were getting closer but the actual beating I don't believe ever took place. I also think magazine racing is just that magazine racing but when you have people saying my GT,Cobra,Mach1 or my SS,Z28,TA,WS6 is faster then your car stock for stock the only thing you can do is go back and look in the magazines. The magazines are the only ones who had an actual stock car. Most of the Mustangs and F-body's from 1993-2002 have mods and a million miles on them by now.

[00ssSLP]

CAN'T WE ALL JUST... GET ALONG!?
:drama:

:gotboobies:

I can agree with this to.:titslap:

[BLKCLOUD]

I can agree that some of the Mustangs were getting closer but the actual beating I don't believe ever took place.

Can you be a bit more specific here? I assume you're talking about 96-97 LT1 vs Cobra, but I'm not sure. If that is the case, then perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Personally, the quickest pass I ever saw (with my own eyes) from a bone stock 96-98 Cobra was a 13.4 @ 105 mph. My own car went 13.6 @ 104, bone stock. BTW, that's bone stock, nothing added, nothing taken away, nothing changed.

I never had an LT1 F-body, so I will defer to other's experiences or do the magazine racing thing.

Bob

[35thAnniZ28]

ha yeah..i have a whole family of pure english bull dogshey whats that next to your car? looks like a english bulldog?
can you post your avitar?

[preston1980]

CAN'T WE ALL JUST... GET ALONG!?
:drama:

:gotboobies:
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Here, now this thread is not worthless. Just click on one to make it bigger. If ya know what I mean.

[35thAnniZ28]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/princeofpoo/k20020.jpg

[00ssSLP]

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Here, now this thread is not worthless. Just click on one to make it bigger. If ya know what I mean.

You are now the coolest person on this thread.:yup:

[shady milkman]

i hate to burst everyones bubble but you cant post those pictures outside of the AAG forum since these areas can be spydered and searched for outside and viewed by non members. the isp really hates it

[jbb6811]

I wish I lived closer ...I would even take the blower belt off and pump you .:lol:

learn to read. i said MOST. i wasn't saying i'm a god around here. i said most steer clear because if you know any thing about sh!t stains they can not hang with a Ls1. most have trouble with a Lt1. i didn't say i was a term killer but i have killed a few n/a cobras. sooo i'm all for meeting you half way w/ or with out the blower.

[sprayed cobra]

learn to read. i said MOST. i wasn't saying i'm a god around here. i said most steer clear because if you know any thing about sh!t stains they can not hang with a Ls1. most have trouble with a Lt1. i didn't say i was a term killer but i have killed a few n/a cobras. sooo i'm all for meeting you half way w/ or with out the blower....Are you on crack ???,The car is set up and the A-4 block goes in this month so I can raise the boost the only way you will beat me is if I leav my car here ! Even if I dont do the Mods you will never beat this car ,like I said its set up... are you.... or are you one of these guys that puts more power in the car and prays to the gods that it ....wont spin ,goes perfect with no bogs in the throttle and has perfect power all the way through ,,,I would make an ass out of you so fast ...you sound like a Ricer in a Camaro ...to bad cause most of my buds down here drive them and never talk smack like you !:Ohno::Ohno::Ohno::Ohno:By the way the car runs mid 10s you Dumb Ricer Wait its only 3100lbs too OOOPS !

[2001hawk]

If I was y'all I would be pretty offended by how little preston had to do to become "the coolest person in this thread". LOL J/K

[jbb6811]

...Are you on crack ???,The car is set up and the A-4 block goes in this month so I can raise the boost the only way you will beat me is if I leav my car here ! Even if I dont do the Mods you will never beat this car ,like I said its set up... are you.... or are you one of these guys that puts more power in the car and prays to the gods that it ....wont spin ,goes perfect with no bogs in the throttle and has perfect power all the way through ,,,I would make an ass out of you so fast ...you sound like a Ricer in a Camaro ...to bad cause most of my buds down here drive them and never talk smack like you !:Ohno::Ohno::Ohno::Ohno:By the way the car runs mid 10s you Dumb Ricer Wait its only 3100lbs too OOOPS !

c first off this thread was started by 35th beating a cobra. most likely a n/a cobra.
i only stated that most stangs around here won't race me. i wasn't dogging stangs just stating a fact! the only ones that i have ran is a 96cobra ,01cobra and a 86 lx w/ a stroker kit and 150 shot. the 86 layed a beating on me!

then you being a topical Mustang Dick. responed like i called you out. and in usual fassion you need a blower and a fully built chassis to run some one! but thats cool.

i'm building mine as well. next is a moser 12 bolt,heads/cam and i'll be runnig a blower from EPP. so call me then

[SuPeRmAn23]

damn im going to put a blower and some nos on my ls1 ...i should run 9s

[SuPeRmAn23]

:shots::drivin:

[shady milkman]

damn im going to put a blower and some nos on my ls1 ...i should run 9s

:lmao: until your bottom end takes the biggest shit on you you've ever seen.

[shady milkman]

ford made their 4v engines for being boosted or sprayed. gm's ls1...not soo much.

[jbb6811]

ford made their 4v engines for being boosted or sprayed. gm's ls1...not soo much.

:iagree:
you can only put around 8 psi safely through our motors(ls1). per Bob @ EPP
but i will have a forged bottom end before i try any thing over 9psi.

[SuPeRmAn23]

i was only kidding....

[shady milkman]

i was only kidding....

its all good man. just giving ya a hard time.

[preston1980]

If I was y'all I would be pretty offended by how little preston had to do to become "the coolest person in this thread". LOL J/K

I know right?
I hate it when people exploit women!!!
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It makes me sick.

[00ssSLP]

I wish I lived closer ...I would even take the blower belt off and pump you .:lol::lmao::haha:

If your car is putting out any kind of real boost then you’re running like 8:1-8.5:1 compression and I can’t see that car betting a focus let alone a LS1 that’s modded. Boosted cars (that put out real boost) loose so much power when they loose a belt it's not even funny, because they are set up for just that boost. So I say pull off that belt and put up the video of some times or of that LS1 walking the dog with you.

[sprayed cobra]

c first off this thread was started by 35th beating a cobra. most likely a n/a cobra.
i only stated that most stangs around here won't race me. i wasn't dogging stangs just stating a fact! the only ones that i have ran is a 96cobra ,01cobra and a 86 lx w/ a stroker kit and 150 shot. the 86 layed a beating on me!

then you being a topical Mustang Dick. responed like i called you out. and in usual fassion you need a blower and a fully built chassis to run some one! but thats cool.

i'm building mine as well. next is a moser 12 bolt,heads/cam and i'll be runnig a blower from EPP. so call me then
B.F.D. !Doesnt mean your car is going to work ...oh no a 12 bolt big deal more friggin weight to deal with ,dumbass ,,what part of power to weight ratio do you not understand ,christ why not use a Dana 60 them ...yep Im the dick alright you dont have a clue what to get or what to use or how or what you need for your car or the combo it will take to beat the car Ihave but your big dumbass mouth works perfect ....YOU ARE A IDIOT!

[sprayed cobra]

:lmao::haha:

If your car is putting out any kind of real boost then you’re running like 8:1-8.5:1 compression and I can’t see that car betting a focus let alone a LS1 that’s modded. Boosted cars (that put out real boost) loose so much power when they loose a belt it's not even funny, because they are set up for just that boost. So I say pull off that belt and put up the video of some times or of that LS1 walking the dog with you.Again you hillbillies dont get it do you car weighs 3100lbs with me in it without the blower belt on I done a pull on the dyno I know what it made it 334rwhp 346rwtq ,so Im not talking out my ass ... dumbass #2 I know my car and thats what seperates you and dumbass #1 from me knowing and you 2 thinking you may know I only bet on sure things and Im sure that a stock LS1 with gears and a CAI ..Exhaust and Spark plugs ....yes I cant forget those spark plugs ....huge power there ,wont win My car works and is set up to work with 300 hp or the all out so get with the program guys ...Oh wait I got spark plugs too how about I take some wires off to make it fair....and tie a trailer behind it loaded with a camaro and race you withh 11lbs boost !Hmmm,m now theres a race :wwf:

[00ssSLP]

Again you hillbillies dont get it do you car weighs 3100lbs with me in it without the blower belt on I done a pull on the dyno I know what it made it 334rwhp 346rwtq ,so Im not talking out my ass ... dumbass #2 I know my car and thats what seperates you and dumbass #1 from me knowing and you 2 thinking you may know I only bet on sure things and Im sure that a stock LS1 with gears and a CAI ..Exhaust and Spark plugs ....yes I cant forget those spark plugs ....huge power there ,wont win My car works and is set up to work with 300 hp or the all out so get with the program guys ...Oh wait I got spark plugs too how about I take some wires off to make it fair....and tie a trailer behind it loaded with a camaro and race you withh 11lbs boost !Hmmm,m now theres a race :wwf:

I would still own your 3100lbs peice of $hit.:tap: Your car sucks that is all

[mrr23]

ok, enough ruining a guys happy moment.