Who's Terminated the Terminator?

[N20LT4]

Douche bag alert!

Maybe the LS1 was running on 6 cylinders. Prolly the case, cause I have walked a Steigmeyer ported 03 coupe AT THE dragstrip, when I didn't have a set of heads, but I had the other stuff you mentioned.

You need to keep douchey comments like that to yourself. Come on over to Raleigh and we will see how well you walk mine. :hifinger:

I agree. That dudes got a huge one stuck up there.

[TrickStang37]

Yeah, that supercharger sure takes care of those "naturally-aspirated" bowties, doesn't it - :rotfl: LOL

Yup! it sure makes things easy...........

Douche bag alert!

Maybe the LS1 was running on 6 cylinders. Prolly the case, cause I have walked a Steigmeyer ported 03 coupe AT THE dragstrip, when I didn't have a set of heads, but I had the other stuff you mentioned.

You need to keep douchey comments like that to yourself. Come on over to Raleigh and we will see how well you walk mine. :hifinger:

Calm down dont get all butt hurt, but if you wanna race youll have to pay for all my accomodations (hotel,gas etc.) since you live out in bumfuck egypt. I actually talked to the dude before and after that race, and i think he actually frequents this board. One of my good friends has all those mods minus the heads and gears and he kept up fine, LOL but that was when i was on the stock pully (only X pipe, cai, catback)

[Pumped03]

will a 150 shot of nitrous on a mostly stock ls1 take a termi???

The only F-Body I lost to was at Mooresville, NC. It had LS6 cam, heads and intake, 3500 rpm stall, headers, pulleys, tune, 150 shot plus a few other things he rattled off. He ran a 7.30 to my 7.37 which was one of my slower passes on that track. I had just put on a set of 10.5 x 28 ET Streets to see if it helped or hurt my times and it ook off a couple of tenths. That was with the Eaton. With the KB it ran 6.9's at over 105 before I sold it.

[Pumped03]

Yeah, they had to add a SC just to keep up with a car that was already a year out of production! and just for clarification.. it wouldn't take all that much for an a4 car to run with a stock cobra... if 12.8-13.1 is the norm.. I'm running 12.1 with the mods in the sig...

Damn, I see the same old lame excuse is being thrown out. Well, I won't mention that the little 281 even in NA mode is enough to give an LS1 all it can handled having owned 99 and 01 Cobras before the 03.

What difference does it make if the F-Body is out of production. I'm sure that feeling or when a vette owner gets his ass rung up and their excuses like, well, I get to drive home in a vette or my vette has better handling are little consolation where it really counts, right smack between their ears. Besides, the 4.6 SC's is also out of productions and it is still kicking ass. My buddy and I drove all over the mid-Atlantic to tracks. I can't tell you how many Chevy owners jumped on our ass. I won't street race but my buddy won't pass especially GM or Vipers. I'm usually following him. They come up and frig with me. When they see I won't bite the motor up to my buddy. I wished I had a camera especially all the vettes and a couple of Viper owners that went from thinking they were cock of the walk to having their supersized egos knocked down to size in a few seconds. WHen they finally realize they have run into not just another lowly Mustang, they back off. I ease up beside them and look at their silly faces and jus laugh at them.

I like the way people use norm or mag numbers. I ran 12.5 bone stock at Rockingham and was pulling 7.90's at Wilkesboro on the stock F1's. And I can't drive for shit.

[secondgearscratch]

Damn, I see the same old lame excuse is being thrown out. Well, I won't mention that the little 281 even in NA mode is enough to give an LS1 all it can handled having owned 99 and 01 Cobras before the 03.


um....nope.

[2000T/A Guru]

From personaly experience i have found this that statement to be untrue but im sure its possible i just havent experienced it, i think i have raced 5 or 6 pre 03 cobras. Most were 3 or 4 cars atleast, this one that live in the same apartment complex as my friend had exhaust and a hood from just hearing and seeing it other than that i dotn really know i only took him by about 2 cars. He actually had me off the line i started to pass him at the top of 1 and then as soon as shifted into second and hit it my front bumper was dead even with his and by the end of second had 1/2 car and pulled about a car in 3rd and about another half in 4th let off at the top of 4th.

[TrickStang37]

i personally believe the N/A Cobras sit squarely between an LS1 F-Body and an LT1 in terms of straight line performance even though theyre geared pretty badly from the factory with 3.27's for a 7000RPM shift point. thats not a very effective combo.They can put up competitive races with LS1 F-Bodies but they should be beateable.

[2000T/A Guru]

My old lt1 Formula had the 2.73s i hated those gears.

[BLKCLOUD]

i personally believe the N/A Cobras sit squarely between an LS1 F-Body and an LT1 in terms of straight line performance...

That's probably about right.

[TrickStang37]

My old lt1 Formula had the 2.73s i hated those gears.

the 3.27s are worse for a car with a 7000rpm shift point than 2.73's for a car that sees 5600rpm (LT1).The Cobra would need about 3.41 gears to make it the equivalent to 2.73's on the LT1. Or to put it another way, its as if an LT1 had 2.61 gears

[Roastem]

Damn, I see the same old lame excuse is being thrown out. Well, I won't mention that the little 281 even in NA mode is enough to give an LS1 all it can handled having owned 99 and 01 Cobras before the 03.

What difference does it make if the F-Body is out of production. I'm sure that feeling or when a vette owner gets his ass rung up and their excuses like, well, I get to drive home in a vette or my vette has better handling are little consolation where it really counts, right smack between their ears. Besides, the 4.6 SC's is also out of productions and it is still kicking ass. My buddy and I drove all over the mid-Atlantic to tracks. I can't tell you how many Chevy owners jumped on our ass. I won't street race but my buddy won't pass especially GM or Vipers. I'm usually following him. They come up and frig with me. When they see I won't bite the motor up to my buddy. I wished I had a camera especially all the vettes and a couple of Viper owners that went from thinking they were cock of the walk to having their supersized egos knocked down to size in a few seconds. WHen they finally realize they have run into not just another lowly Mustang, they back off. I ease up beside them and look at their silly faces and jus laugh at them.

I like the way people use norm or mag numbers. I ran 12.5 bone stock at Rockingham and was pulling 7.90's at Wilkesboro on the stock F1's. And I can't drive for shit.

What's going on PUMPED!

You see I laid down a 97.4 mph 1/8 mile trap with that gutted F-bod. You would have spanked my ass with that Kenne Bell, but I think I would have given you a run for your money if you would have only had the Heaton on there.

You sell your car or sumthin'?

[Roastem]

Yup! it sure makes things easy...........



Calm down dont get all butt hurt, but if you wanna race youll have to pay for all my accomodations (hotel,gas etc.) since you live out in bumfuck egypt. I actually talked to the dude before and after that race, and i think he actually frequents this board. One of my good friends has all those mods minus the heads and gears and he kept up fine, LOL but that was when i was on the stock pully (only X pipe, cai, catback)


I ain't paying for sh*t Mr. Cali-forn-I-A.

I will be glad to take YOUR bread though, Top Down. That thing has to be heavy as hell. You would need a Kenne on that vert to whip my gutted F-bod.

[TrickStang37]

yeah my car is heavy as hell (3920lbs w/me in it) but it still moves (unless you think walking Cammed LS1's isnt moving, thats all relative).im glad youre proud of your raggedy gutted car,have fun driving it. Ill be having fun out here SMOKING some (not all) H/I/C LS1's! (and of course other cars that arent faster than mine)

[nhraformula]

Mr. Luos are you from IL? I grew up about 15 minutes away from Cordova! My dad used to race out there all of the time when I was young.

dont like that track

[nhraformula]

ive terminated an 03/04. i know that he has a full exhaust at the very least and the pecker wouldnt run me off the line.

[allbaugh_04]

Damn, I see the same old lame excuse is being thrown out. Well, I won't mention that the little 281 even in NA mode is enough to give an LS1 all it can handled having owned 99 and 01 Cobras before the 03.

What difference does it make if the F-Body is out of production. I'm sure that feeling or when a vette owner gets his ass rung up and their excuses like, well, I get to drive home in a vette or my vette has better handling are little consolation where it really counts, right smack between their ears. Besides, the 4.6 SC's is also out of productions and it is still kicking ass. My buddy and I drove all over the mid-Atlantic to tracks. I can't tell you how many Chevy owners jumped on our ass. I won't street race but my buddy won't pass especially GM or Vipers. I'm usually following him. They come up and frig with me. When they see I won't bite the motor up to my buddy. I wished I had a camera especially all the vettes and a couple of Viper owners that went from thinking they were cock of the walk to having their supersized egos knocked down to size in a few seconds. WHen they finally realize they have run into not just another lowly Mustang, they back off. I ease up beside them and look at their silly faces and jus laugh at them.

I like the way people use norm or mag numbers. I ran 12.5 bone stock at Rockingham and was pulling 7.90's at Wilkesboro on the stock F1's. And I can't drive for shit.

um who cares....well maybe someone does, but i don't. congratulations on having a car that is somewhat quick which you admitted you can't drive for $hit...i'll give you a dozen cookies for that one

[TrickStang37]

ive terminated an 03/04. i know that he has a full exhaust at the very least and the pecker wouldnt run me off the line.

thats gay shit. roll races are for fags with more horsepower than they can handle.

[nhraformula]

thats gay shit. roll races are for fags with more horsepower than they can handle.

i was kinda pissed about that. my biggest advantage is the fact im stalled.

[LS2 KLR]

The 03/04 Cobras really screwed us who don't own one. My buddy bought an 04 and was asked if he wanted to put his name down for a new Shelby, nothing down. He said "why not" even though he had no plans of buying one. Once they came out a dealership in OH offered him $10k for the rights to the car.

He used some of the money to buy a whipple and made over 600rwhp. Those damn cars can make so much power so easily it just isn't fair, lol. I personally love being considered bait by them only to give them a surprise.

[2MuchFun]

drives me crazy, theres a 03 cobra in the local, he complains about not having any competition from f-bods OR vettes..........

[Roastem]

yeah my car is heavy as hell (3920lbs w/me in it) but it still moves (unless you think walking Cammed LS1's isnt moving, thats all relative).im glad youre proud of your raggedy gutted car,have fun driving it. Ill be having fun out here SMOKING some (not all) H/I/C LS1's! (and of course other cars that arent faster than mine)

It still has the carpet (minus deadening) and the two front seats. It doesn't look bad at all inside. Considering you paid 17K more for your car than I did, you should be smoking them. 17K, that must be a gold plated supercharger. :tap:

Feels satisfying to outrun an 8K dollar car with no supercharger? Your parents must be proud of all their hard work! :sex:

[Roastem]

Dang! Where did all these Ford lovers come from? You guys must post on other boards and asked your fellow Found-On-Road-Dead brethren to chime in.

This thread is about F-bods outrunning Terms, not the other way around. We all know it is usually the F-bod losing, we don't need Ford guys to come in here and rub it in.

[secondgearscratch]

yeah...some of you are just being nut huggers.

i love the terminator, but im not gonna let you just trash on an f body just because the terminator is faster in stock form.

the fact that h/c ls1s beat supercharged cobras is all the reason one needs to see just how advanced these engines are. not to say i dont love the cobra, but i own an f body.

and while some of the cobra owners are on their high horses...lest we forget what would happen if forced induction is introduced to an ls1???

we can go with what ifs all day but i have seen a graph from a kenne bell ls2 that was producing 500 rwtq at 2200 rpms.....

just wanna put things in perspective, because, not to make excuses, but if you put the same 2.4 kenne bell on an ls1, it would scream and make a cobra look a bit silly.

but enough with speculation, both are two very capable and nice cars.

and by the way, why all the ripping on interiors?? thats kinda metro...

[TrickStang37]

It still has the carpet (minus deadening) and the two front seats. It doesn't look bad at all inside. Considering you paid 17K more for your car than I did, you should be smoking them. 17K, that must be a gold plated supercharger. :tap:

Feels satisfying to outrun an 8K dollar car with no supercharger? Your parents must be proud of all their hard work! :sex:

WTF you dont know how much i paid for my car so dont assume anything. I paid $19000 for this car because we took it (ripped the trade!) in at the dealership i used to work at so i snatched it up, although ive seen them go for 30K. You paid 8 K for your car? I wouldnt be proud to own an asset thats depreciated so much in a matter of just a few years! LOL :lmao: .

secondgearscratch
quit talking about "ifs" thats for bullshitters. We can both go on and on with "ifs" and end up with prostock cars with monstrous engines. Have you seen what a production block (429-460) 557 cubic inch big block ford does with heads/cam and supercharger? it would shit all over the LS2, 500TQ@2200 pfffft no problem and it would cost less to boot, but enough about ifs. I never said the LS1 or LS2 were shitty engines, they make good power for their size N/A, but with forced induction? the 4.6has proven to be as capable of making power as the LS1 with a supercharger or turbo also. DOHC baby :devil:

[secondgearscratch]

WTF you dont know how much i paid for my car so dont assume anything. I paid $19000 for this car because we took it (ripped the trade!) in at the dealership i used to work at so i snatched it up, although ive seen them go for 30K. You paid 8 K for your car? I wouldnt be proud to own an asset thats depreciated so much in a matter of just a few years! LOL :lmao: .

secondgearscratch
quit talking about "ifs" thats for bullshitters. We can both go on and on with "ifs" and end up with prostock cars with monstrous engines. Have you seen what a production block (429-460) 557 cubic inch big block ford does with heads/cam and supercharger? it would shit all over the LS2, 500TQ@2200 pfffft no problem and it would cost less to boot, but enough about ifs. I never said the LS1 or LS2 were shitty engines, they make good power for their size N/A, but with forced induction? the 4.6has proven to be as capable of making power as the LS1 with a supercharger or turbo also. DOHC baby :devil:

didnt i just say done with speculation. this was intended for you to get off your high horse. if you honestly think that with the same supercharger you could make more power with a 281 as opposed to a 346 than youre more clueless than i thought.

the point is, there is no comparison between the dohc 281 and the ls1. the ls1 will make tons more power with minor bolt ons than a modular engine will, and thats just the way it is. more cubes=more torque. i really dont have to use the excuse of "oh the cobra has forced induction" because who cares, its a damn good setup. but you cant argue that as far as naturally aspirated, youre dohc is in hot water when your staged with a ls1 powered car.

and oh the big block would shit all over blah blah blah. i was merely using an example of your fabled kenne bell blower and what happens when its put on an lsx paltform. just the fact that you dont understand the analogy and then talk about pro street cars is pretty ignorant. 500 ft/lbs at 2200 rpms is crazy, so show me what dohc engine with a kenne bell does that with a blower cam and forged internals. it made well over 1200 hp. but i guess thats nothing compared to your 475. we're talking about small blocks here. on pump gas.

all youre doing is waving your dick around because you have a cobra. hey, i never said i could beat one, i never said i didnt like them or respect them. i have raced 3 so far and gotten walked. i have a stockish car so im really not worried about it. if you wanna be an asshole about your car go ahead, just dont direct it at me.

[BLKCLOUD]

A mild 2.2 KB 04 Cobra dyno graph...

http://members.cox.net/blkcloud/04cobra/images/kbdyno.jpg

Torque at low rpm is nice, but it doesn't win races (unless you race from 1000 to 4000 rpm). Torque at high rpm (the last 2000 rpm or so of your rpm range) does. Certainly torque down low makes a car feel VERY good on the street.

[secondgearscratch]

oh i know, im just making a point that it was already making that much torque at that low of an rpm. i cant find the dyno i had looked at but here is one with the kenne bell on a 403 c.i. ls1
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa271/secondgearscratch/850_8002.jpg

i dont even really know what im arguing about to be honest bob. i love cobras. i dont know how i got into this. never said i beat em, never said they werent fast, never said anything.

[BLKCLOUD]

Well, FWIW, I'm a big fan of the LSx, and certainly understand its advantages over the modular.

That said, I'm sticking with modulars - though I will be N/A from now on. I sold my 04 KB Cobra some time back (that's what the dyno above was from), and have bought my old 99 Cobra back. Just finished getting everything off the motor and will pull it out Sunday, and deliver to my engine builder Tuesday. Looking for 400 RWHP and some 10.9s. :)

[secondgearscratch]

Well, FWIW, I'm a big fan of the LSx, and certainly understand its advantages over the modular.

That said, I'm sticking with modulars - though I will be N/A from now on. I sold my 04 KB Cobra some time back (that's what the dyno above was from), and have bought my old 99 Cobra back. Just finished getting everything off the motor and will pull it out Sunday, and deliver to my engine builder Tuesday. Looking for 400 RWHP and some 10.9s. :)

thats bad ass.

what kind of weight are you shooting for??

[2000T/A Guru]

Yeah if its anywhere near stock weight you can kiss 10s goodbye.

[allbaugh_04]

WTF you dont know how much i paid for my car so dont assume anything. I paid $19000 for this car because we took it (ripped the trade!) in at the dealership i used to work at so i snatched it up, although ive seen them go for 30K. You paid 8 K for your car? I wouldnt be proud to own an asset thats depreciated so much in a matter of just a few years! LOL :lmao: .

secondgearscratch
quit talking about "ifs" thats for bullshitters. We can both go on and on with "ifs" and end up with prostock cars with monstrous engines. Have you seen what a production block (429-460) 557 cubic inch big block ford does with heads/cam and supercharger? it would shit all over the LS2, 500TQ@2200 pfffft no problem and it would cost less to boot, but enough about ifs. I never said the LS1 or LS2 were shitty engines, they make good power for their size N/A, but with forced induction? the 4.6has proven to be as capable of making power as the LS1 with a supercharger or turbo also. DOHC baby :devil:

Who cares how much it depreciated. It's the best car you can buy for the price. Plain and simple

Oh now you want to talk big blocks vs. small block engines....ok that makes no sense whatsoever. On top of that chevy makes a better big block...ever hear of the chevy 572?
14k for 720hp out of a crate engine
http://paceperformance.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=22655
add forced induction
http://www.stevemorrisracingengines.com/centrifugal-supercharger-bbc-engine-1500hp.html

Just leave the ls1 forums, you are embarrassing yourself.

[2000T/A Guru]

Why are we even talking about these motors, but if you want to my girls friends uncle has a 570something aluminum block superchargerd making over 1400rwhp in a 79 stripped T/A and her other uncle has a stripped 71 chevelle with a 496 with a 300 direct port shot. Great there are huge motors making massive power lol. Hes also putting that setup in the 79 T/a into a 98 Formula Hard top. Gonna be a sick car, I feel so gay when i roll up in my car to there house yeah i ran a 12.8 hes like 7s all day lol

[BLKCLOUD]

Yeah if its anywhere near stock weight you can kiss 10s goodbye.

I ran 11.4s with 355 RWHP @ 3340 lbs. On drag radials, in Kansas City, in June. I'm pretty sure I know what its going to take to go 10s.

thats bad ass.

what kind of weight are you shooting for??

Thanks. Should come in around 3200 lbs or so.

[Musclefan21]

I ran 11.4s with 355 RWHP @ 3340 lbs. On drag radials, in Kansas City, in June. I'm pretty sure I know what its going to take to go 10s.
.

on Nitrous? what was the torque? 60' ?

[BLKCLOUD]

I don't do nitrous. 60' on that particular run was a 1.619.

http://members.cox.net/blkcloud/images/fsmotordyno3.jpg

[TrickStang37]

Who cares how much it depreciated. It's the best car you can buy for the price. Plain and simple

Oh now you want to talk big blocks vs. small block engines....ok that makes no sense whatsoever. On top of that chevy makes a better big block...ever hear of the chevy 572?
14k for 720hp out of a crate engine
http://paceperformance.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=22655
add forced induction
http://www.stevemorrisracingengines.com/centrifugal-supercharger-bbc-engine-1500hp.html

Just leave the ls1 forums, you are embarrassing yourself.

I said PRODUCTION BLOCK meaning the same blocks you get from a passenger car. You dont actually think 557 is as big as ford guys do? do you? (although that displacement can be had with NO block clearancing,that cant be said for the chevy) . The affordable A460 block can be made to over 600inches.
This is exactly what i was talking about, enough with the "ifs". Wah, wah, wah, "if" the LS1 had a supercharger wah, wah, wah, if the LS2 had a supercharger.........enough already, if yours dont have it quit trying to glorify someone elses accomplishments, theyre not yours.Enough with the hypotheticals he started talking about an LS1 or LS2 with a supercharger (which wasnt his) so i just threw out something that wasnt mine, apparently he didnt get the point.

[mrr23]

this is getting out of hand. time to shut the fun off.