I made a video just for Wesman.

[4tun8]

I'm not trolling by doing this, I want the facts to be known, I took time out of my life to feed the trolls so to speak. This in no way should be thought of as a way for me to sway anyone into wanting a car like this or even liking it, I'm just trying to show proof of:

a) the car is extremely drivable
b) the car makes torque
c) the car isn't gutless at low rpms
d) that it doesnt sound THAT bad, although I can't prove that because it's a matter of preference
e) not everyone driving an import is a ricer


http://media.putfile.com/wesman Just for you my friend, I don't do this for just anyone so feel good in knowing that you've ticked me off THAT much.

[JHayesLS1]

:lol:

[mogs01gt]

atleast it doesnt have that wing...

[Raoul-Duke]

omfg! lol, let the wars begin...honestly i give u both credit, wesman for stickin it to him that much and makin him feel that way...and 4tun8 for puttin that much effort into gettin your point, this is more entertaining than tv right now

[ls1blackbeauty98]

i have to give you credit for actually taking the time to do a video like that, BUT i do not really think your video showed much. If you were killing a fast car i think your point would have been proven better, not just driving down the road. haha not trying to start shit so please dont get all defensive, but seriously bring it. show us what your car can do and not just down a country road by yourself....

oh but i do see the not all imports are ricers point. i think thats the only one you showed clearly...

[Stone]

Ok im gunna go ahead and voice my opinion on this now. Most of you on here know of me and my car and i have a VERY vast knowledge of both LSXs and 4 cyl turbo cars. And the point is that WESMAN you are wrong my friend. That car is in NO WAY "rice" and i know what a 500hp AWD or FWD 4 cyl is capable of. Hell my car only made 260hp and 291 trq on no tune and no gas and i hit peek trq at 3k. Now if your opinion about our "ricer" cars is the way it is, than thats fine......but dont make blasphimous statements about things that you dont have the knowledge of or particularly care about. ;)

[Badbird]

your car seems fast. there is a guy down here that i know that worked on a kids car from illinois and it dynoed at like 890 whp. i like the evo's, i like most cars.. i know allot of guys that have v8 cars that are just as retarded as the so called ricers. not taking any sides. i have a fbod and love it but i wouldnt turn dow a 500hp 4 banger. i would like to see a vid of your car at the track or on the street racing a LS1.

[Toyota h8r]

Just a quick question for the thread starter.....and how much money have you dumped into that four door to reach 500 hp? Also, is that flywheel hp or awhp?

[cam02ss]

your car seems fast. there is a guy down here that i know that worked on a kids car from illinois and it dynoed at like 890 whp. i like the evo's, i like most cars.. i know allot of guys that have v8 cars that are just as retarded as the so called ricers. not taking any sides. i have a fbod and love it but i wouldnt turn dow a 500hp 4 banger. i would like to see a vid of your car at the track or on the street racing a LS1.

you'll see a vid of me running him sometime in the not so distant future...if he's up to it. one thing i don't understand though..the dyno sheet says 420 hp and 373 torque....now jumping to 500? unless those sheets are old or you turned the boost up,etc?

[BLKCLOUD]

Wow. All that over someone that disagrees with your point of view on an internet message forum?

Some might say that this is a sign of insecurity.

Personally....if you like your car....who cares what others think?

[Toyota h8r]

Wow. All that over someone that disagrees with your point of view on an internet message forum?

Some might say that this is a sign of insecurity.

Personally....if you like your car....who cares what others think?
ding ding ding! we hava winna!:tap:
I have to say this to thread starter......This is how people like you get called a ricer! Someone says something on the internet, and you go and make a video to try to prove what your car is like. If your gonna make a video, make one of you beating hondas and such and you wont be called a ricer. I have been called a ricer for owning a stock supra so i know how it feels to be called wrongly a ricer . I wised up and bought an f-body so now i can never be called a ricer again.:mel: :uzi: :shower:

[JHayesLS1]

He merely proved his car isn't shit at low rpms. Also he got to 110 pretty fast....for a 4 banger

[AKIRA]

How can you prove that the car has reliable driveability without a time scan? You cant. Plus, not everyone will remember certain problems theyve had with the car or WANT to share those problems.

[JHayesLS1]

I'll share!!

10 reasons not to own a Mustang
1. Crappy Build Quality- My door panels have fallen off
2. Plastic Intake Manifold- Mine blew up on the road one day, lovely treat.
3. A/C Evaportors- Prone to Destruction, be warned
4. Gear Synchro's- 2nd gear *GRIND* 3rd gear *GRIND*
5. Radiators- I'll be damned if it didn't leak
6. Odometer- It quit rolling, mileage is now unknown
7. U-Joint- When this breaks, your fucked.
8. Gas Tank- Don't fill your tanks or you might spring a leak!
9. Oil Dumpster- After high mileage keep a funnel with you at *all* times
10. SOHC- Weakest part about that motor, DOHC is the way to go.

[blue02Z]

pretty nice vid. i should shake your hand for takin the time out of your day to prove a point. personally i respect all cars if they deserve respect. and your car is definatly not rice, in fact, its nice. lol

[Cleaner13]

I give you props man. I think the main thing people on this forum lack is respect for other cars. People dont have to like them, but if its fast, fun and non-ricey it deserves respect.
I for one was never into imports (coming from an 89 TTA and 87 GN both 10sec cars) however I for one enjoy the competition, and the huge differences between companies that enable them to get their cars to perform the way they want.

I remember back in the mid 90s at one time period there were so many fast cars out, Chevy had the ZR1 vette, Toyota Supra, Dodge Viper, Mazda RX7, Nissan 300ZX TT and Mitsus 3000GT TT. I always remembered how cool all the cars were because they were so different, none of them have anything related besides performance in mind.

Diversity is what makes things interesting, imagine how shitty it would be if we all had the same motors, suspension, cars etc...

I for one say build what you have and like because its make makes cars so great, our cars our are version of a canvas, so that makes us all artists

[Mjolnir]

i love evo's nice car man!

[AKIRA]

I did think it was funny that the link has weman's name in it.

[tonyjnjz]

you'll see a vid of me running him sometime in the not so distant future...if he's up to it. one thing i don't understand though..the dyno sheet says 420 hp and 373 torque....now jumping to 500? unless those sheets are old or you turned the boost up,etc?

420 awhp dosnt equal 500 at the flywheel??? dyno is at the wheels..u should know that..i call my car a 460hp car...puts down 400 at the wheels....VERY nice video...the acceleration looked very much like my car... that boost above 4500 or so im guessing sounded sick...nice video 4tun8...gotta get somone else in your car with u to hold the camera so u can show us what a 5k launch looks/sounds like..i know were all curious..........only thing i can say i DIDNT like was the low rpm " rice sounding" burble comin from your exhaust..that would drive me nuts but i guess the top end sound/acceleration would help me get over it.....nice car and u got balls to make a video like that and put it out on an fbody forum

[02sunsetorangeZ]

nice car and u have guts like said above to put this on an fbody forum. Awesome video.

[mrr23]

if you do the math the correct way
420 /.82 (18% loss) = 512 crank.

if you do the math the wrong way
420 * 1.18 (18% loss) = 495 crank

either way, 500 at the motor.

really couldn't tell by the video that you were going 110. i believe you. just visually, it doesn't seem to be going that fast.

i applaud you for wanting to actually show us what it can do. it shows perseverance and pride in your car.

[4tun8]

I think on a dynojet the car will put down close to 500 at the tire. That 420hp dyno sheet is from a mustang that's factory calibrated.

For a reference the car tonight went 120mph in the trap at the ABSOLUTE WORST drag strip I have ever seen or heard of (beaver springs). The damn track went uphill and ontop of that when you stage and let of the brake you'd roll backwards....I could NOT stop spinning it was obsurd....I'm going to post a video in this thread, at a decent strip like maple grove or cecil the car will probably go close to 124mph, which is pretty close to 500whp on a dyno jet. Either way the car definitely makes 500 at the crank.


edit: Here's the video lol.....

http://media.putfile.com/firstrun

[Wesman]

I think you really took this whole "respect for your car thing" way, way to personally.

I mean I really don't know what to say...you took time out of your day to make a video about your Evo and post it on LS1.com?? Props to you for being very determined, I guess...

Please don't take this offensively...but your video in no way changed the way I feel about your car or japanese cars in general. I know how fast they can be made. I know how they drive. I base my opinion on that, not what people tell me on the internet.

And as I've said before, I don't like the way your car sounds. Thats my opinion, I don't think it sounds good at all, regardless of turbo whistle. And that was from inside the car. If you like it, then thats cool, whatever.

As for the performance...I think its pretty obvious that there's not much power before the turbo spools. You can see it in the video. When you stab the gas, the motor loads up on fuel (you get the little buck-buck from the engine, no torque available) and then it starts to accelerate. When you hit full boost, after the turbo spools at ~3200RPM, thats when you actually start making power.

I see that this issue has gone much too far for you to go out of your way and make a video to try and prove your point. It seems like you feel that people such as myself don't understand that your car is quick, which simply isn't true. Just because I don't share the same taste in vehicles as you doesn't mean I don't understand that cars such as yours can be made fast. Obviously any car can be made fast. It just comes down to money and availbility of parts.

If you like your car, then good for you. I don't want you to not like your car because some people on the internet (myself) have a different opinion than you. If we all drove the same car it would be borning anyway.

My point has always been explaining why I don't share the same opinion as you. Why I don't like Evos or Japanese cars in general. This is LS1.com, it just comes accross to me that someone is trying to brag when they post timeslips/numbers/ect of their 4 cylinder import, as if they are trying to impress us. We don't own such vehicles because we like ours better. Simple as that. You could say the same thing about an F-Body owner on a Mitsubishi forum.

I'm going to bed. I got work tomarrow. Goodnight guys.

[4tun8]

I think you really took this whole "respect for your car thing" way, way to personally.

I mean I really don't know what to say...you took time out of your day to make a video about your Evo and post it on LS1.com?? Props to you for being very determined, I guess...

Please take this offensively...but your video in no way changed the way I feel about your car or japanese cars in general. I know how fast they can be made. I know how they drive. I base my opinion on that, not what people tell me on the internet.

And as I've said before, I don't like the way your car sounds. Thats my opinion, I don't think it sounds good at all, regardless of turbo whistle. And that was from inside the car. If you like it, then thats cool, whatever.

As for the performance...I think its pretty obvious that there's not much power before the turbo spools. You can see it in the video. When you stab the gas, the motor loads up on fuel (you get the little buck-buck from the engine, no torque available) and then it starts to accelerate. When you hit full boost, after the turbo spools at ~3200RPM, thats when you actually start making power.

I see that this issue has gone much too far for you to go out of your way and make a video to try and prove your point. It seems like you feel that people such as myself don't understand that your car is quick, which simply isn't true. Just because I don't share the same taste in vehicles as you doesn't mean I don't understand that cars such as yours can be made fast. Obviously any car can be made fast. It just comes down to money and availbility of parts.

If you like your car, then good for you. I don't want you to not like your car because some people on the internet (myself) have a different opinion than you. If we all drove the same car it would be borning anyway.

My point has always been explaining why I don't share the same opinion as you. Why I don't like Evos or Japanese cars in general. This is LS1.com, it just comes accross to me that someone is trying to brag when they post timeslips/numbers/ect of their 4 cylinder import, as if they are trying to impress us. We don't own such vehicles because we like ours better. Simple as that. You could say the same thing about an F-Body owner on a Mitsubishi forum.

I'm going to bed. I got work tomarrow. Goodnight guys.


Good post, you were respectful, and not insulting....good stuff, stay just like that and me and you = golden.

[ATCharming]

Good post, you were respectful, and not insulting....good stuff, stay just like that and me and you = golden.

although, he did tell u to take it offensively. unless im missing something..

idk, but i am now subscribed to this thread lol

[lt1dragon]

You are in a ls1 forum :nono: The video proved one thing, you need boost to go fast. So how does it feel that you need boost to get 500 horses?

[4tun8]

You are in a ls1 forum :nono: The video proved one thing, you need boost to go fast. So how does it feel that you need boost to get 500 horses?



Um.....The same way it would feel to need anything else to get to 500 horses I guess....It's not like I sit there and go "Damn I wish I didnt have this turbo!"

[stevegrizzle]

4tun8- nice ride man. :thumbup:

[BLKCLOUD]

As an FYI....Mustang dyno's are load bearing. That load can be changed, producing different readings. It is impossible to directly compare a pull from a Mustang dyno to a Dynojet. 420 on a Mustang dyno might be 350 on a Dynojet, or 550 on a Dynojet. The dyno operator (if he's honest) can get you in the very general area.

In the end - who cares? The dyno doesn't go down the track. The car does.

I have no idea what your car weighs, but at 3300 lbs, it takes ~500 HP (at the flywheel) to go 124 mph in the 1/4 mile.

[4tun8]

Did you account for AWD drivetrain loss? Honestly I dont care, I trapped 120 last night at the worst dragstrip ever....

My buddies STI that normally makes 380+ on a dynapack only made 320 on that mustang dyno, and I made 420, it will be close, but you're correct that the dyno number doesnt mean jack.

A stock evo IX dyno's from 210-225 on that dyno.

[Cleaner13]

You are in a ls1 forum :nono: The video proved one thing, you need boost to go fast. So how does it feel that you need boost to get 500 horses?

tell that to all the daily driven 10 sec or faster GN owners...

Or how about the diesel guys that can pull off quick times in a vehicle twice your weight, yet still get amazing gas mileage, dead on reliability and the ability to still function as it was intended.

yeah man boost sucks...

thats as ignorant as 60s muscle car fanatics asking you why you need fuel injection.....

[MikeSomething]

tell that to all the daily driven 10 sec or faster GN owners...

GN cars....:drool:

[Redegal]

So how does it feel that you need boost to get 500horses? If you have a V8 the import guys will say that thier lil 4 banger can keep up with your V8. If you have a turbo car, the above is what you get. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

[Redegal]

So how does it feel that you need boost to get 500horses?

If you have a V8 the import guys will say that thier lil 4 banger can keep up with your V8. If you have a turbo car, the above is what you get. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

[BLKCLOUD]

Did you account for AWD drivetrain loss? Honestly I dont care, I trapped 120 last night at the worst dragstrip ever....
No - I'm using a generic calculation just to get a ballpark flywheel number. Your actual number could be higher or lower.

As an opinion....and assuming I have your weight right (???), I'd estimate you're making closer to 450 RWHP (SAE, typical dynojet). But as you say below, it really doesn't matter (though dyno numbers are the 'thing' to some folks).

My buddies STI that normally makes 380+ on a dynapack only made 320 on that mustang dyno, and I made 420, it will be close, but you're correct that the dyno number doesnt mean jack.
You may indeed make 500 WHP, and your guestimat may be right on the money (ie....420 on xxx dyno = 500 on yyy dyno). My statement was general in nature, and I believe it to be accurate. I was not trying to degrade you or your car.

[02sunsetorangeZ]

Maybe cuz of his "no torque" is because i think, im not for sure when he hit it at 25mph he was in 2nd gear, if he wanted to show us how good it really goes he should have put it in 1st, but he was showing us that he still has torque before the turbo spools up. ( im not a 100% sure but i think that was 2nd gear). Anywayz it still got up good for the low RPM. Nice car man.

[ATCharming]

yea props to u. no rice bashing here, your evo is pretty sweet.
and if u dont mind me asking, how much money did it cost u to get up to ~500 horses? just wonderin

in the video it didnt really seem to be going 110. i believe u 100%, and it got up there REAL quick.

[stevegrizzle]

well 25 mph at 2500 rpm, i hope it isnt 1st gear!

[mogs01gt]

I'll share!!

10 reasons not to own a Mustang
1. Crappy Build Quality- My door panels have fallen off
2. Plastic Intake Manifold- Mine blew up on the road one day, lovely treat.
3. A/C Evaportors- Prone to Destruction, be warned
4. Gear Synchro's- 2nd gear *GRIND* 3rd gear *GRIND*
5. Radiators- I'll be damned if it didn't leak
6. Odometer- It quit rolling, mileage is now unknown
7. U-Joint- When this breaks, your fucked.
8. Gas Tank- Don't fill your tanks or you might spring a leak!
9. Oil Dumpster- After high mileage keep a funnel with you at *all* times
10. SOHC- Weakest part about that motor, DOHC is the way to go.
LMAo you dont know shit. The lsX intake is made out of the same material. :tap:

[Too Fast]

DAMN. 110 MPH in a 45? Who has ever done such a thing? Only ricers? Ha ha ahahh ha ha, jk. Also, I can hear the close ratio transmission in that car, I bet 6th gear is not a .5 OD like in ours. (jealous) I know these cars (Evos, WRX's) are fast, 'specially when a bigger turbo/intercooler/higher pressure is involved, but I prefer the roar of a V8. Don't try to tell me how much more fun a FWD car is over a RWD (or AWD) car is tho, everyone knows that there are no FWD cars that compete in any real race series. Yes they can be fast, but so can any car with the right amount of $$$.
4tune8, does your name mean 4 cyl tuned equals 8 cylinders, or does is mean you are "fortunate"? I like how you say you aren't afraid to put your face on the video, so many people are scared to do that for what reason I don't know.
I like all fast cars, but still prefer ones that have 2 doors, V8 and RWD. Manually shifted is best also!
Funny how Wesman has only responded twice, since you called him out.

[Too Fast]

OOPS, once.

[BLKCLOUD]

Stock, an 03 EVO VIII has a 5-speed tranny:

1st 2.93:1
2nd 1.95:1
3rd 1.41:1
4th 1.03:1
5th 0.72:1

Final gear: 4.53:1

An EvO IX has a 6-speed tranny:

2.91:1
1.94:1
1.43:1
1.10:1
0.87:1
0.69:1

Final Drive 4.53:1

The only significant difference between the two is the overdrive gearing, and generally speaking, OD in a drag race is a no-no.

[Too Fast]

Yes I know that OD is generally for cruising, not drag racing. My comment about the ratios referenced the fact that the Mitsu has a much closer ratio transmission then our WS6s. 6th is for gas MGP. I need a 4.53 rear gear!

[BLKCLOUD]

Actually, if you do the math, you'll find your T56 actually has virtually the same ratios (expressed as a percentage):

2.66
1.78 (.67%)
1.30 (.73%)
1.00 (.77%)

2.91:1
1.94:1 (.67%)
1.43:1 (.74%)
1.10:1 (.77%)

[cam02ss]

:Popcorn:

[tonyjnjz]

Stock, an 03 EVO VIII has a 5-speed tranny:

1st 2.93:1
2nd 1.95:1
3rd 1.41:1
4th 1.03:1
5th 0.72:1

Final gear: 4.53:1

An EvO IX has a 6-speed tranny:

2.91:1
1.94:1
1.43:1
1.10:1
0.87:1
0.69:1

Final Drive 4.53:1

The only significant difference between the two is the overdrive gearing, and generally speaking, OD in a drag race is a no-no.

nah alll evo 8s or 9s as well as evo rs's have a 5 SPEED tranny....the evo MR has a 6 speed...not possitive on the yrs they made it....04 and newer i belive???? not sure if they had one in 03

[4tun8]

Maybe cuz of his "no torque" is because i think, im not for sure when he hit it at 25mph he was in 2nd gear, if he wanted to show us how good it really goes he should have put it in 1st, but he was showing us that he still has torque before the turbo spools up. ( im not a 100% sure but i think that was 2nd gear). Anywayz it still got up good for the low RPM. Nice car man.

Yeah it would have taken off HARD in 1st gear and probably would have spun the tires, I wanted to show that they arent THAT gutless. Although if you really try to bog it down you could knit a sweater before the turbo spools (IE 5th gear @ 2000rpms)

and if u dont mind me asking, how much money did it cost u to get up to ~500 horses? just wonderin


Honestly I've been fortunate to be heavily sponsored with this car....so the turbo kit, tuning (before I started doing that myself) dyno time, and other work was either free or heavily discounted. I actually just secured a sponsorship deal with ACT clutch so I'm pretty stoked about that. I think with my own money as far as power mods, I might have 3 grand in it if that. That's seriously a big ass guess too, I really don't know. I'd say to replicate this car would take 10 grand, but that's labor, the built trans, etc etc. There is more then meets the eye. ALthough I think for 2 or 3 grand on an evo IX I could probably go 11.5s ghetto style =p

DAMN. 110 MPH in a 45? Who has ever done such a thing? Only ricers? Ha ha ahahh ha ha, jk. Also, I can hear the close ratio transmission in that car, I bet 6th gear is not a .5 OD like in ours. (jealous) I know these cars (Evos, WRX's) are fast, 'specially when a bigger turbo/intercooler/higher pressure is involved, but I prefer the roar of a V8. Don't try to tell me how much more fun a FWD car is over a RWD (or AWD) car is tho, everyone knows that there are no FWD cars that compete in any real race series. Yes they can be fast, but so can any car with the right amount of $$$.
4tune8, does your name mean 4 cyl tuned equals 8 cylinders, or does is mean you are "fortunate"? I like how you say you aren't afraid to put your face on the video, so many people are scared to do that for what reason I don't know.
I like all fast cars, but still prefer ones that have 2 doors, V8 and RWD. Manually shifted is best also!
Funny how Wesman has only responded twice, since you called him out.

It's a 5 speed, and I agree with you about v8 RWD I'm thinking about buying an 03 Cobra.....I just drove it tonight, what a mistake that was, the car was something else and all it had was a catback.

nah alll evo 8s or 9s as well as evo rs's have a 5 SPEED tranny....the evo MR has a 6 speed...not possitive on the yrs they made it....04 and newer i belive???? not sure if they had one in 03

The straight evo...sometimes called a GSR, but it's not a GSR, people are mistaken, it's actually closer to the Evo GT has a 5 speed. The MR edition came to the states in 2005, had different shocks, aluminum roof, BBS forged wheels, a gauge kit, and I think that's it.

[Wesman]

although, he did tell u to take it offensively. unless im missing something..

idk, but i am now subscribed to this thread lol

It was 2 in the morning, I made a typo and didn't put the "don't".

Never heard anyone say "take this offensively" lol.

Its fixed.

[4tun8]

Oh btw, 4tun8 = Fortunate

[ls1blackbeauty98]

:Popcorn:

smartass... lol

[AKIRA]

It was 2 in the morning, I made a typo and didn't put the "don't".

Never heard anyone say "take this offensively" lol.

Its fixed.

:(

God dammit.

[AKIRA]

Speaking of torque...

One thing I did always like about turbos, was the feeling of my skin peeling back on my face when the car accelerated. I felt this in a 91 galant vr4, some sort of eagle talon, 03 evo, and my dad's GN.

Never knew which feeling I liked better.

[mrr23]

LMAo you dont know shit. The lsX intake is made out of the same material. :tap:

maybe he does. you ever see a LSx intake break for no reason? the ford intake has water running through it. they would erode and break leaving coolant everywhere. they changed the intake to have a metal coolant crossover. i know this because of my father-in-laws 93 thunderbird did just this and i saw the replacement intake after ford did the swap.

so, maybe educate yourself a little more, or ask to be explained why someone says what they say, before passing misinformed judgement next time.

[AKIRA]

I finally got to watch the vid. Weird it certainly is, to put yourself out there and to spend an afternoon putting this together, but commendable nonetheless.

I hate the sound of the car. Sadly, I was surprised and impressed the car got to 110 that fast. I thought it was 80mph, but I dont think youd lie about it.

How do you keep the camera stationary like that? Also, a newbie question this may be, but what are you recording ONTO to get it ONTO the computer?

[tonyjnjz]

I finally got to watch the vid. Weird it certainly is, to put yourself out there and to spend an afternoon putting this together, but commendable nonetheless.

I hate the sound of the car. Sadly, I was surprised and impressed the car got to 110 that fast. I thought it was 80mph, but I dont think youd lie about it.

How do you keep the camera stationary like that? Also, a newbie question this may be, but what are you recording ONTO to get it ONTO the computer?

ok ive heard plenty about him lieing about the speed.....can somone watch the video and LISTEN to which gear hes in and about what rpm hes prolly at then do some research on an evo site and find out how fast hes gion???? although he shouldnt have to prove himself......looks to be about what he says to me

[ATCharming]

It was 2 in the morning, I made a typo and didn't put the "don't".

Never heard anyone say "take this offensively" lol.

Its fixed.

haha, sorry i thought u were angry and actually telling him to take it offensively lol

[lt1dragon]

This whole thing is stupid, You have a heavly modd car of course you will have more torque and lots of it . A stock evo has the no torque down low, Now that i think of it, You are a ricer.:boxing:

[AKIRA]

ok ive heard plenty about him lieing about the speed.....can somone watch the video and LISTEN to which gear hes in and about what rpm hes prolly at then do some research on an evo site and find out how fast hes gion???? although he shouldnt have to prove himself......looks to be about what he says to me

Um. I didnt think he was lying. Quote someone else when you make this foolish claims.

[tonyjnjz]

Um. I didnt think he was lying. Quote someone else when you make this foolish claims.

didnt say specificly ANYONE .....said ppl..as in more than one have been making statements about his top speed in the video....was just pointing out that somone could actually reseach it and find out

[ATCharming]

didnt say specificly ANYONE .....said ppl..as in more than one have been making statements about his top speed in the video....was just pointing out that somone could actually reseach it and find out

you said u heard HIM lying about speed

[tonyjnjz]

yeah ive heard plenty of accusations about HIM ( him is 4tun8 genius) ..go reread

[4tun8]

http://media.putfile.com/speedorun


Here, I made a run same exact way and taped the speedo, hope that settles the arguements.

[ATCharming]

yeah ive heard plenty of accusations about HIM ( him is 4tun8 genius) ..go reread

thats exactly what i meant

[tonyjnjz]

look im just pointing out the fact that his aprox speed CAN be found out by knowing what gear he was in at the end of the video and finding out what the top end of that gear is.....saying u guys can go find out for yourselves instead of just saying oh i think hes only goin 80 or whatever

[ATCharming]

damn.

but yea, it does seem to lack power in the lower rpms, but shit, u got up to 120 fast as hell, so no disrespect here

[ATCharming]

look im just pointing out the fact that his aprox speed CAN be found out by knowing what gear he was in at the end of the video and finding out what the top end of that gear is.....saying u guys can go find out for yourselves instead of just saying oh i think hes only goin 80 or whatever

gotcha. well hey, check out that vid. seems pretty fast to me!

[tonyjnjz]

http://media.putfile.com/speedorun


Here, I made a run same exact way and taped the speedo, hope that settles the arguements.

dam that climbs fast.....very nice

[ATCharming]

thanks 4tun8. that did settle arguments

[Wesman]

DAMN. 110 MPH in a 45? Who has ever done such a thing? Only ricers? Ha ha ahahh ha ha, jk. Also, I can hear the close ratio transmission in that car, I bet 6th gear is not a .5 OD like in ours. (jealous)

Why would you be jealous of the Evo's gear ratios?? Lots of imports are geared short like that to make up for lack of low end. It also helps keep the motor on the boost after changing gears.

I don't know about you, but I'm not a fan of turning 4,000RPMs when I'm cruising down the highway. The T56 is spaced out nicely to take advantage of the broad powerband of the LS1, for increased fuel economy, driveability, and longevity. Even with my 4.10 gears I'm only turning about 1800RPM at 70MPH. I can slam 1st through 4th gear to 112MPH in the 1/4 mile pulling like a freight train and without ever coming close to falling off the powerband, yet then I can throw it in 6th on highway and get 25MPG. You can't beat that.

Funny how Wesman has only responded twice, since you called him out.

Why is that funny?? What else do you want me to add?? I said what I had to say, hence the long post.

[4tun8]

I don't know about you, but I'm not a fan of turning 4,000RPMs when I'm cruising down the highway. The T56 is spaced out nicely to take advantage of the broad powerband of the LS1, for increased fuel economy, driveability, and longevity. Even with my 4.10 gears I'm only turning about 1800RPM at 70MPH. I can slam 1st through 4th gear to 112MPH in the 1/4 mile pulling like a freight train and without ever coming close to falling off the powerband, yet then I can throw it in 6th on highway and get 25MPG. You can't beat that.


70mph = 3k

4k = probably 100 in 5th gear.

[tonyjnjz]

in my rsx-s with a 6 speed 70=3500 ....lil 4 banger only got mid-high 20s highway since im usually doin 75-80....6 fuckin gears and they cant gear 6th for highway? fuckin stupid..irritated the hell out of me.....6th shoulda been about a 1000 rpms lower.....2500 goin 70 or 2k goin 60......it wouldnt start sputterin till u were around 12 or 1300 in any gear so 2k felt fine

[99blueZ]

just curious how did you get sponsored without having to put some kind of advertising on your car??

[ATCharming]

just curious how did you get sponsored without having to put some kind of advertising on your car??

i was kinda wonderin the same thing. im not accusing him of lying, i would jsut like to know how he got the sponsorship deal.

how do u go about getting one?

[4tun8]

I should have never mentioned it lol....honestly I just cleaned last years decals off the car and one company is having decals made....the other I'm waiting on my parts and stickers (yuck).

I wish I could just rep them on the internet....like thousands of people see my posts, and a few people with evo's see my car IRL....the stickers are silly IMO.


edit: btw I'm not answering questions on "how do I get sponsored".

[99blueZ]

I should have never mentioned it lol....honestly I just cleaned last years decals off the car and one company is having decals made....the other I'm waiting on my parts and stickers (yuck).

I wish I could just rep them on the internet....like thousands of people see my posts, and a few people with evo's see my car IRL....the stickers are silly IMO.

how did you get hooked up with it? Did you contact the company directly and ask? I would kill for some free parts - you are lucky!

[4tun8]

I know you dont mean it the way you did but it gets so old people telling me how lucky I am, like the companies had just called me up and asked me to use their parts....I seriously should have never said anything, because I end up getting a million questions about it and then someone will tell me that I couldnt have gone fast if I didnt have sponsors etc etc etc.



Let's get back to the topic of me not hitting 125 in like 11 seconds from a turbo lag roll on /wink

[99blueZ]

ok fair enough. I wasn't trying to bash you at all. And i wouldn't tell you that without your sponsors you wouldn't be fast. No matter how you got the parts i will give you credit that you have one fast EVO. I think being sponsored is a great way to get fast for cheap.

[stevegrizzle]

dont tell him hes lucky damnit, tell him hes fortunate.
goddamn it man!

[Too Fast]

Why would you be jealous of the Evo's gear ratios?? Lots of imports are geared short like that to make up for lack of low end. It also helps keep the motor on the boost after changing gears.

I don't know about you, but I'm not a fan of turning 4,000RPMs when I'm cruising down the highway. The T56 is spaced out nicely to take advantage of the broad powerband of the LS1, for increased fuel economy, driveability, and longevity. Even with my 4.10 gears I'm only turning about 1800RPM at 70MPH. I can slam 1st through 4th gear to 112MPH in the 1/4 mile pulling like a freight train and without ever coming close to falling off the powerband, yet then I can throw it in 6th on highway and get 25MPG. You can't beat that.



Why is that funny?? What else do you want me to add?? I said what I had to say, hence the long post.

Yeah, I need a 4.10 for my car, that is what I am jealous of. At the 1/4, 112 MPH, with the 4.10, I have not done the math, what kind of RPM is that?

[ATCharming]

I know you dont mean it the way you did but it gets so old people telling me how lucky I am, like the companies had just called me up and asked me to use their parts....I seriously should have never said anything, because I end up getting a million questions about it and then someone will tell me that I couldnt have gone fast if I didnt have sponsors etc etc etc.



Let's get back to the topic of me not hitting 125 in like 11 seconds from a turbo lag roll on /wink


hey i was just sayin that was really cool. shit id be proud of it if i were u. i wouldnt have said anything about NEEDING sponsorships, it was just a compliment

[mogs01gt]

maybe he does. you ever see a LSx intake break for no reason? the ford intake has water running through it. they would erode and break leaving coolant everywhere. they changed the intake to have a metal coolant crossover. i know this because of my father-in-laws 93 thunderbird did just this and i saw the replacement intake after ford did the swap.

The ones that crack were made 10 years(its 2007, you know that right?), newer ones do not have that issue. Its sort of like the first ls1's randomly having the piston slap issue or the random opti-spark+water issue of the lt1's..

Each company has their design flaws.

[BLKCLOUD]

Yeah, I need a 4.10 for my car, that is what I am jealous of. At the 1/4, 112 MPH, with the 4.10, I have not done the math, what kind of RPM is that?

http://www.camaroz28.com/calcs/rpmmph.html

[Street Lethal]

Good stuff 4tun8. Everyone enjoys this hobby. All of us here love going fast, and we all have different ways of achieving it. One of my third generation bretheren just went 11 seconds in his naturally aspirated 305 inspired TBI (an engine that seemed destined to run low 14's for life) . Now, TBI is considered "junk" to those in the so-called know, in case anybody wasn't aware. But thank God that that didn't deter him. It's cool to be a lil different... ;)

[mrr23]

ok ive heard plenty about him lieing about the speed.....can somone watch the video and LISTEN to which gear hes in and about what rpm hes prolly at then do some research on an evo site and find out how fast hes gion???? although he shouldnt have to prove himself......looks to be about what he says to me


no one is saying he's lying. i completely believe him. the comment was to express how i couldn't tell it was 110 until he said it. it was meant to be a compliment.

[AKIRA]

no one is saying he's lying. i completely believe him. the comment was to express how i couldn't tell it was 110 until he said it. it was meant to be a compliment.

Thank you.

Some people are just so damn touchy.

[Toyota h8r]

The car talked enough. I hate jap cars in genral but that evo has my respect because its clean and is quick.:beer: But, i'll keep my f-body though. So how bout this.......end of discussion. The point has been proven....the evo's not a slow civic ricer that looks like crap.

[EE1983]

Hey guys keep in mind he has a LARGE turbo and the lag is not bad at all and obviously completely streetable and fun to drive. I wish I made a vid of my stock turbo'd EVO which is so fast spooling its just insane and fun to drive. The big turbos have a little lag but you get rewarded with ridiculous top end!

Oh and Wesman, the gears arent short in "imports for low end purposes". They are geared short becuase we have higher redlines. Why do all Ls1 guys ditch the 2.73s and get mid 3s or even 4.10s. Acceleration! Look at Formula1 cars with 16000+ RPM redlines. You hear their gears? They are insanely short because they can be and its faster with them. BTW, that first post you made was the best Ive ever seen - you actually appeared to be human! :beer:

[Wesman]

Yeah, I need a 4.10 for my car, that is what I am jealous of. At the 1/4, 112 MPH, with the 4.10, I have not done the math, what kind of RPM is that?

In my car, with 285/40/17's out back, its 6,000RPM.

[Wesman]

Hey guys keep in mind he has a LARGE turbo and the lag is not bad at all and obviously completely streetable and fun to drive. I wish I made a vid of my stock turbo'd EVO which is so fast spooling its just insane and fun to drive. The big turbos have a little lag but you get rewarded with ridiculous top end!

Do you honestly think nobody here besides yourself has driven a stock Evo?? The turbo doesn't spool any quicker than any other stock turbocharged car, and it still has no low end power.

Oh and Wesman, the gears arent short in "imports for low end purposes". They are geared short becuase we have higher redlines. Why do all Ls1 guys ditch the 2.73s and get mid 3s or even 4.10s. Acceleration! Look at Formula1 cars with 16000+ RPM redlines. You hear their gears? They are insanely short because they can be and its faster with them. BTW, that first post you made was the best Ive ever seen - you actually appeared to be human! :beer:

They are geared for both the higher redline and to help on the low end. If Evos had 3.42's with a 2.66 1st gear like a stock LS1, the car would be undriveable and would probably be running 15's. The LS1's tall gears are due to its broad powerband and torque curve, it can easily cruise along turning slightly over 1,000RPMs, no problem. I can't even imagine a 4 cylinder with a .5 6th gear, it would be a completely useless gear.

And like I said, even with my 4.10 gears I'm still only at 1800RPM on the highway, yet 1st gear is an animal. Evos have a super short final drive coupled with short gears, so even with 6 speeds they still turn ridiculously high RPM's on the highway. I suppose thats necessary though, if they turned any less it wouldn't have enough power to maintain speed.

[Zboner]

oh my

[BLKCLOUD]

LOL. You think 2.66 with a 4.10 is something....try a 3.35 1st + 4.56 rear + 26x10 slicks. Big fun. :D

[EE1983]

Do you honestly think nobody here besides yourself has driven a stock Evo?? The turbo doesn't spool any quicker than any other stock turbocharged car, and it still has no low end power.



They are geared for both the higher redline and to help on the low end. If Evos had 3.42's with a 2.66 1st gear like a stock LS1, the car would be undriveable and would probably be running 15's. The LS1's tall gears are due to its broad powerband and torque curve, it can easily cruise along turning slightly over 1,000RPMs, no problem. I can't even imagine a 4 cylinder with a .5 6th gear, it would be a completely useless gear.

And like I said, even with my 4.10 gears I'm still only at 1800RPM on the highway, yet 1st gear is an animal. Evos have a super short final drive coupled with short gears, so even with 6 speeds they still turn ridiculously high RPM's on the highway. I suppose thats necessary though, if they turned any less it wouldn't have enough power to maintain speed.


"Helping" with the low-end has absolutely nothing to do with it. The car's are geared properly due to the high redline and for quick acceleration. EVOs dont have 3.42s because that would make them slower period. Would you take out your 4.10s to put in 2.73s. Of course not.

Im not sure what you consider "ridiculously high rpm" on the highway, but Im usually around 3000rpm. I dont know why your so hung up on sitting at "low rpm". The cars get very similar gas mileage. I was averaging 26-27mpg on my car when I was commuting up to North Jersey 4 days a week. Thats cruising on the GSP at around 75mph or so and at around 3300rpm. You can sit at 1800 and get the same gas mileage so who cares?

Do you think sport bikes with 13k+ redlines sit at 2k rpm? No you cruise much higher because you CAN. Sitting at 3000rpm isnt a big deal when you have a higher redline. Im confused why your so stuck on this issue. Its quite simple.

[tonyjnjz]

how high is your redline ee??? mines 6800..thats pretty high :yup:

[EE1983]

how high is your redline ee??? mines 6800..thats pretty high :yup:


7500. Limiter is set at 7900 for balls out 4th gear runs though

[waite87]

I love how people are trying to dog on his car. I have an s-10 and its still teh stock 4.3. And i was between LS1 swap, or turbo the 4.3. and i could truboe the 4.3 and build the internals for the same price as an LS1 swap. And all id have to do is push a few buttons to jump the boost up if i had the fuel/air set up right with a high enough octane. So i chose the trubo over an LS1. Guess im a ricer too then. im with you now 4tune8. But that is a nasty car. 4cylinder or not..

[waite87]

and who cares about the gearing. he needs special gears, but he doesnt need 4 more cylinders.... kinda interesting to think about. but i do love the sound of a v8. But i cant see why wesman is so against them.

[secondgearscratch]

"Do you think sport bikes with 13k+ redlines sit at 2k rpm? No you cruise much higher because you CAN. Sitting at 3000rpm isnt a big deal when you have a higher redline. Im confused why your so stuck on this issue. Its quite simple.


that and the fact that its a way smaller displacement engine. turning 3k in a v8 is vastly different than doing it in a 4 banger.
it stands to reason that a basic 4 cylinder would get decent gas milage commuting on the highway, and if your at an rpm that isnt making boost (or alot), then youre just a basic 4 cyl. but when you hit the gas....off you go.

and please dont get into sport bikes....it just depresses me that something so small can pull away from me so fast and the bastard riding it is sipping his morning coffee at 140 mph.....

[Wesman]

"Helping" with the low-end has absolutely nothing to do with it. The car's are geared properly due to the high redline and for quick acceleration. EVOs dont have 3.42s because that would make them slower period. Would you take out your 4.10s to put in 2.73s. Of course not.

Sure it does. A4 LS1's come with 2.73's from the factory. Those gears are much less than optimal for the cars powerband. Yet the car still runs mid -low 13's bone stock. Swapping to 3.73's or 4.10's will easily gain you a few tenths in the 1/4.

The same cannot be said for a car like the Evo. If it had those kind of gears from the factory, it would be undriveable. It would be running 15's stock.

Just trying to show the difference in powerbands. The LS1 has a much, much more flexible powerband than a shortly geared, high strung Evo does. Theres no comparison in terms of useable power or the broadness of the HP and TQ curves. I'm not trying to say it should have shorter gears, I'm making a point that it needs shorter gears to be driveable and run the times that it does. The LS1 does not, although it will obviously be quicker with the shorter gears. But even with 2.73's its very far from slow. There is a vast difference in terms of performance between tall gears in a V8 and tall gears in a 4 cylinder..

Im not sure what you consider "ridiculously high rpm" on the highway, but Im usually around 3000rpm. I dont know why your so hung up on sitting at "low rpm". The cars get very similar gas mileage. I was averaging 26-27mpg on my car when I was commuting up to North Jersey 4 days a week. Thats cruising on the GSP at around 75mph or so and at around 3300rpm. You can sit at 1800 and get the same gas mileage so who cares?

Because the lower RPM's you turn, the less wear you're putting on the motor long term, and the easier it is to cruise. You don't need to give it a lot of throttle to maintain speed (the higher RPM you turn, the more throttle you need to input to maintain that RPM) and you do't go into engine braking every time you let off the gas. Not that a 2.0L 4 banger provides any engine braking, though.

As for sport bikes, those are totally different animals, and not event remotely relevent to the discussion.

[mogs01gt]

I love how people are trying to dog on his car. I have an s-10 and its still teh stock 4.3. And i was between LS1 swap, or turbo the 4.3. and i could truboe the 4.3 and build the internals for the same price as an LS1 swap. And all id have to do is push a few buttons to jump the boost up if i had the fuel/air set up right with a high enough octane. So i chose the trubo over an LS1. Guess im a ricer too then. im with you now 4tune8.
having a turbo has nothing to do with being a "ricer"

[cam02ss]

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