owned by evo

[ls1blackbeauty98]

last night i lined up with an evo,
from a dig we took off *what a rush haha* he took me by a car length. i thought he would jump me off the line alot harder then he did, im sure it was the driving on his part. it was a hot race, wish i had video for yall!!

i did get beat, but it was fun as sh*t so i had to post :)

[JHayesLS1]

Those evo's are nasty off the launch! You know what to do, mod that bad boy or give it some juice and find him again.

[ls1blackbeauty98]

Those evo's are nasty off the launch! You know what to do, mod that bad boy or give it some juice and find him again.

oh hell yea
when i am more moded ill be searchin for the kill... haha

[Wesman]

He must have had some decent mods if he kept pulling after the launch. Usually they will get the jump (if the guy can drive of course) and then you will reel them in like they're going backwards. 300WHP V8 >>> 235WHP 4 banger, stock for stock.

Get a couple mods and kick his ass next time ;)

[stevegrizzle]

^^^^hahahahaha, love the avitar wesman......

[Wesman]

^^^^hahahahaha, love the avitar wesman......

Thanks ;)

[4tun8]

If you want to run another evo and video tape it and you're local to central pa (your profile says pa) you can run me, from a roll or dig doesnt matter either, would be a good time.

[Badbird]

the new evos have 285whp from what i read. i raced one from a 20 mph roll and it was a good race but he pulled me by about 3/4 car. that was when i was moddless.

[MikeSomething]

Once they are cammed, they don't have any top end issues...

[Wesman]

the new evos have 285whp from what i read. i raced one from a 20 mph roll and it was a good race but he pulled me by about 3/4 car. that was when i was moddless.

HAHAHAHA

Hell no. Not even close. The VIII's dyno'd around 235WHP, the 9's dyn0 250WHP. Highest I've ever heard of was 260WHP, and those numbers were probably fidged anyway.

If you got pulled by an Evo from a roll he was definitely modded. Stock for stock an LS1 will destroy any Evo from a roll.

[Wesman]

Once they are cammed, they don't have any top end issues...

Cams or not its still only a 4 cylinder, and they still run our of breath on the top end.

[Stone]

Cams or not its still only a 4 cylinder, and they still run our of breath on the top end.

:ughlaugh: :bs:

[4tun8]

Cams or not its still only a 4 cylinder, and they still run our of breath on the top end.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/8022124436.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5046547)


My dyno sheet says you're wrong.

[DanWS6]

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/8022124436.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5046547)


My dyno sheet says you're wrong.

Woohoo, a dick waving contest, how exciting! :lol:

:nana:

[blue02Z]

holy shit!!! i think Wesman opened a biggo can of worms!!!!! lol

:lock:.........................:jk:

[4tun8]

Woohoo, a dick waving contest, how exciting! :lol:

:nana:

Um...not really, just proving a point. If you'd rather from now on I use someone elses car to prove my points I can do that, but the evo doesnt die up top, it only does that on stock cams...just about every dynograph I've seen of a car with atleast 272 cams (hks or comparable) keeps rising to redline.

[mrr23]

Woohoo, a dick waving contest, how exciting! :lol:

:nana:

i don't see a problem with it. a statement was made. it was countered with a pretty good dyno sheet showing it not running out of breath on the top end. don't know what defines top end, but to me 6500 rpms is pretty much top end for a LS1 car as well.

[Wesman]

Woohoo, a dick waving contest, how exciting! :lol:

:nana:

Pretty much.

Whenever someone says anthing bad about the precious Evo, 4tun8 steps in to try and defend his car.

Anyhow, the dyno graph proves nothing. Why?? Because his car is heavily modded, with well over a few thousand dollars in modifications. With enough mods you can make any car fast. And an LS1 with a few thousand dollars in mods will be making a hell of a lot more power than 420WHP and 373lb/ft of torque. Plus it will actually be driveable on the street.

Gotta love the torque curve, 145ft/lbs at 3000RPM :Pow:

Same with the power curve. Less than 100HP below 3300RPM. Thats why I'll never own a 4 cylinder "performance" car.

[Secret Formula]

Theres a new '07 evo that just came into my town. Im gonna have to give him the local treatment.

[mrr23]

Cams or not its still only a 4 cylinder, and they still run our of breath on the top end.

Pretty much.

Whenever someone says anthing bad about the precious Evo, 4tun8 steps in to try and defend his car.

Anyhow, the dyno graph proves nothing. Why?? Because his car is heavily modded, with well over a few thousand dollars in modifications. With enough mods you can make any car fast. And an LS1 with a few thousand dollars in mods will be making a hell of a lot more power than 420WHP and 373lb/ft of torque. Plus it will actually be driveable on the street.

Gotta love the torque curve, 145ft/lbs at 3000RPM :Pow:

Same with the power curve. Less than 100HP below 3300RPM. Thats why I'll never own a 4 cylinder "performance" car.


ok, i'll get in on this one. you first state that cams or not, it runs out of breath on the top end. then you say the dyno proves nothing because his car is heavily modified???

cliff notes:
even with cams, they have no top end
then after seeing dyno sheet, it doesn't count because it's heavily modified?

maybe i'm missing something here. http://www.centralfloridastreetcars.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/dontknow.gif

[Wesman]

ok, i'll get in on this one. you first state that cams or not, it runs out of breath on the top end. then you say the dyno proves nothing because his car is heavily modified???

cliff notes:
even with cams, they have no top end
then after seeing dyno sheet, it doesn't count because it's heavily modified?

maybe i'm missing something here. http://www.centralfloridastreetcars.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/dontknow.gif

He doesn't just have cams.

He has a few thousand dollars in mods, including full bolt ons, exhaust, increased boost, meth injection, tune, ect.

Look at his powerband, overall its garbage.

A stock Evo with just cams obviously isn't going to have the same dyno chart as him. Not even close, especially power wise.

[4tun8]

I redline at 8000rpm, I never see 3000rpm's so I could care less what happens there, I launch the car at 6500rpm, when I shift it falls to about 5500, which is near peak torque. You were proven wrong, and considering the babble that you post here as "truth and facts" you shouldn't be talking about what's a good powerband and what's not.

Want me to stop defending my precious evo? Stop making baseless claims. You don't like the car, we get it.

[mrr23]

i don't know of anyone that puts cam in and doesn't have the other supporting mods to go with it.

are you going to put a cam in your car without adding the bolt ons???

(side note: i did put a cam in a friend's car without headers TR cheaTR cam just for stock manifolds)

your hang up is top end with these cars. so, his overall powerband isn't garbage. in a race, the only time he'll be under 4000 rpms is in 1st gear at the launch, if that.

you made a blanket statement and got called on it. now you are putting stipulations on it.

[Wesman]

I redline at 8000rpm, I never see 3000rpm's so I could care less what happens there, I launch the car at 6500rpm, when I shift it falls to about 5500, which is near peak torque. You were proven wrong, and considering the babble that you post here as "truth and facts" you shouldn't be talking about what's a good powerband and what's not.

Want me to stop defending my precious evo? Stop making baseless claims. You don't like the car, we get it.

You don't care about 3000RPM's?? So I guess you don't drive the car on the streets then, its a track only car??

Most people drive their cars on the street. I could never drive a car so gutless that you have to rev to 3,000RPM just to get 145lb/ft of torque. Very pathetic.

Baseless claims?? I say cams alone don't give Evos great top end. You post your fully modded dyno chart and try to say thats a good example?? :rolleyes:

[Wesman]

i don't know of anyone that puts cam in and doesn't have the other supporting mods to go with it.
are you going to put a cam in your car without adding the bolt ons???
(side note: i did put a cam in a friend's car without headers TR cheaTR cam just for stock manifolds)

But its still possible. That was my point.

your hang up is top end with these cars. so, his overall powerband isn't garbage. in a race, the only time he'll be under 4000 rpms is in 1st gear at the launch, if that.

I said overall as in the whole thing - and overall, it is garbage. Unless its a track only car, I couldn't care less about where you have to keep the RPM's to make power. Its obviously a street car though, and making those kind of pathetic HP/TQ numbers below about 3300RPM is a joke.

you made a blanket statement and got called on it. now you are putting stipulations on it.

I meant cams and only cams. Not a fully built up motor. The stipulations were there to begin with.

[mrr23]

where? you said; Cams or not its still only a 4 cylinder, and they still run our of breath on the top end.. you didn't say cams only. again generic blanket statement.

our cars don't make alot of power just driving around either. part throttle, under 3000 rpms, isn't going to be make 300 ft-lbs of torque. it will make more than his, but not by much.

[4tun8]

I meant cams and only cams. Not a fully built up motor. The stipulations were there to begin with.

I don't have a full built up motor, it's a stock motor with 60,000 miles on it, reguardless of what you MEANT to say, you didnt say it, and after you were proved wrong you attempt this.


I'll show you a minor bolt on dyno sheet now that a "all built up" motor (lol) isn't good enough.

http://home.comcast.net/~silecchias/dynosheet3.jpg

Tons of low end grunt and it isn't gasping for air up top...

[tonyjnjz]

wesman's been :Owned: :hide: all hale the mighty evo!!! lol this evo shit is NEVER gonna end on this site...im just gonna have to buy one to compare....oh yeah NICE dyno 4tun8 ..great numbers

[JHayesLS1]

Im rather surprised it is still open

[Danger731]

:Popcorn:

[Raoul-Duke]

Pretty much.

Whenever someone says anthing bad about the precious Evo, 4tun8 steps in to try and defend his car.

Anyhow, the dyno graph proves nothing. Why?? Because his car is heavily modded, with well over a few thousand dollars in modifications. With enough mods you can make any car fast. And an LS1 with a few thousand dollars in mods will be making a hell of a lot more power than 420WHP and 373lb/ft of torque. Plus it will actually be driveable on the street.

Gotta love the torque curve, 145ft/lbs at 3000RPM :Pow:

Same with the power curve. Less than 100HP below 3300RPM. Thats why I'll never own a 4 cylinder "performance" car.

makes a good point:yup:

[Wesman]

makes a good point:yup:

I'm glad some people still aren't ricers on here...:rolleyes:

[Wesman]

I don't have a full built up motor, it's a stock motor with 60,000 miles on it, reguardless of what you MEANT to say, you didnt say it, and after you were proved wrong you attempt this.


I'll show you a minor bolt on dyno sheet now that a "all built up" motor (lol) isn't good enough.

http://home.comcast.net/~silecchias/dynosheet3.jpg

Tons of low end grunt and it isn't gasping for air up top...

Tons of low end grunt :lol:

I can almost hear it...buzzz buzzz zoooooom buzzzzzzz TURBO buuuuuuuuzzzzz....:Pow:

So now you'll pulling different dyno sheet out of your ass, after you got embarassed at how pathetic the low end was on the first one??

Get this through your head: You drive a 4 cylinder. Its not a big engine. Its doesn't have anything down low. It has bad turbo lag. IT doesn't compare to a V8 in terms of useable powerband.

So why are you trying to prove something that isn't real??

[Wesman]

wesman's been :Owned: :hide: all hale the mighty evo!!! lol this evo shit is NEVER gonna end on this site...im just gonna have to buy one to compare....oh yeah NICE dyno 4tun8 ..great numbers

Yea, we should all go trade in our V8 Muscle cars for 4 cylinder riceburners.

Then we can be cool like 4tun8.

Or just make people laugh when we drive by.... :Pow:

[Roastem]

:haha:

Damn...Tons of low end grunt. hahahahaha....ha.

Yeah, I have to agree with Wesman. It sounds like crap, and IS gutless below 3K.

Will it run hard in 4tun8's setup? Damn straight.

But it still sounds like crap, and it is still gutless before the turbo spools.

[Wesman]

:haha:

Damn...Tons of low end grunt. hahahahaha....ha.

Yeah, I have to agree with Wesman. It sounds like crap, and IS gutless below 3K.

Will it run hard in 4tun8's setup? Damn straight.

But it still sounds like crap, and it is still gutless before the turbo spools.

Thanks you.

Finally someone else with some common sense.

[4tun8]

Tons of low end grunt :lol:

I can almost hear it...buzzz buzzz zoooooom buzzzzzzz TURBO buuuuuuuuzzzzz....:Pow:

So now you'll pulling different dyno sheet out of your ass, after you got embarassed at how pathetic the low end was on the first one??

Get this through your head: You drive a 4 cylinder. Its not a big engine. Its doesn't have anything down low. It has bad turbo lag. IT doesn't compare to a V8 in terms of useable powerband.

So why are you trying to prove something that isn't real??



How have I been embarassed? I pulled a different dyno sheet because you said that the other one was a too heavily modified car. You're right that it doesnt compare to a v8 in terms of usable powerband, but I never claimed that it did. You claimed that 4 cylinder motors run out of breath on the top end, and I showed proof how they do not. So how am I embarassed again?

[Roastem]

I like EVO's. Here is the fastest, nicest one I have had the pleasure to experience.

[Roastem]

If you look closely you can see the turbo and wastegate.

[Kjz99z28]

Yea, we should all go trade in our V8 Muscle cars for 4 cylinder riceburners.

Then we can be cool like 4tun8.

Or just make people laugh when we drive by.... :Pow:

He's not trying to get you to say that EVOs are better than your v8. He's just trying to say that it didn't run out of top end like you said it did. So I'm failing to see why he's such a ricer, and why he should be embarrassed. :thinkin:

Hell, I don't want an EVO. But no reason to ignore information about one.

[JHayesLS1]

I love this place. True American Muscle enthusiast here :usa:

[tonyjnjz]

canadian muscle.....get it right!!! mustangs and old school camaros are american muscle ;)

['99 SLP#24]

:Popcorn:

[EE1983]

HAHAHAHA

Hell no. Not even close. The VIII's dyno'd around 235WHP, the 9's dyn0 250WHP. Highest I've ever heard of was 260WHP, and those numbers were probably fidged anyway.

If you got pulled by an Evo from a roll he was definitely modded. Stock for stock an LS1 will destroy any Evo from a roll.


The 2003-2004's dyno 225-230whp, that is correct. THe 2005s dyno up to 250whp (like mine did). Most 2006 (9s) are doing 260-270whp. There have been tons of 270whp stock 9s.

[stevegrizzle]

Wesman is probably and avid oreilly factor fan and is still trying to put an end to the war on christmas. Anyone with half a brain can see that Wesman was proven wrong and decided to go off on a tyrade about the only short coming he could find.....NO SHIT A TURBO CAR DOESNT HAVE ASS LOADS OF LOW END TQ WHEN THE TURBO ISNT SPOOLED.
We have a genuine O'Reilly protoge' here, maybe hell even be a senator some day, being able to ignore obvious facts over and over shit youre half way there.

[AKIRA]

Not to take sides here, but I dont understand the argument...

Under 3k RPMS, hes making ~145lb-ft torque. Ok, is that enough to get him from point a to b? Seriously, is less than that enough to pull the heavy car to Wal-mart? (I am really asking cuz then Ill take a side) If the car can move, then Id say driveability is fine.

If he got to a light and figured he was going to race on the street, I doubt hell launch at 3k rpms, but launch at a higher rpm. Possibly not 6500 cuz of possible wheel spin, but higher than 3k.

So!

You got a car that can be tame on the street when it wants to and fast on the street when it wants to.

If my car is running 12s, gets decent mileage, is a daily driver, but has 90lbs of torque at 2000rpms, I couldnt see why Id care.

[mrr23]

Im rather surprised it is still open

it's still open, because i am letting it sldie for now. it's starting to get into personal attacks, which i won't tolerate.


wesman - is an avid domestic car person. has a hatred for an import car. looks for any way possible to discredit the car.

4tun8 - is an avid import car person. sees a need to defend the import when the need arises.

i see nothing wrong with either peron at that juncture. it's when the personal attracks come out that i step in.

you know, i used to hate imports, no matter what they did. i got over it and came up with this analagy:

there are two types of performance car people. racers and ricers. regardless of them being domestic or import.

racer = someone who takes their car and modify it to run quicker.

ricer = someone who buys every little knick knack on the market, puts it on their car and 'thinks' it'll outrun everyone on the road.

i know they are spelled very closely to one another.

i consider 4tun8 and stonesrt4 to be racers. they didn't run off and put 22" wheels and 10ft tall wings on their car and come here spouting how they can beat ls1 cars.

[Roastem]

EVO's are nice rides with good technology. But, we love muscle cars here. Muscle car sound, looks, and attitude. So naturally we are gonna bash on imports. It is all in jest for me. Others might take it seriously.

Personally, I think EE and 4tun8 have quick and nice rides. The sound is a turnoff, and the 4 cylinder unfortunately, but still nice none the less.

If these guys had went the LS1 way, they would prolly have low 11 second cars that most of us would drool after.

[4tun8]

If these guys had went the LS1 way, they would prolly have low 11 second cars that most of us would drool after.

I would end up doing something stupid with an LS1 car haha, I have connections with Turbo people....so I'd probably do twins and meth injection, speed density, and a host of traction mods.

I'm running 11s now on the 4 banger, if I'm going with double the cylinders I wouldn't be happy unless it was single digits haha.

[EE1983]

EVO's are nice rides with good technology. But, we love muscle cars here. Muscle car sound, looks, and attitude. So naturally we are gonna bash on imports. It is all in jest for me. Others might take it seriously.

Personally, I think EE and 4tun8 have quick and nice rides. The sound is a turnoff, and the 4 cylinder unfortunately, but still nice none the less.

If these guys had went the LS1 way, they would prolly have low 11 second cars that most of us would drool after.


Most understand that, its just that sometimes people take it to an ignorant level which is uncalled for. I have absoutely nothing agaisnt American cars. My choice was between the EVO and a C5 Z06. I ended up getting the EVO b/c the Z was 2x as much for insurance. I still plan to get a Z someday! BTW, if you dont like the sound of a 4banger, get an 02 dump or an external wastegate :beer:

[Roastem]

An 02 dump? I took a lot of dumps in 02. About 365. ;)

Seriously though, what do you mean an 02 dump? You have an exhaust cutout after the 02 sensor or sumthin'?

[JHayesLS1]

Most understand that, its just that sometimes people take it to an ignorant level which is uncalled for. I have absoutely nothing agaisnt American cars. My choice was between the EVO and a C5 Z06. I ended up getting the EVO b/c the Z was 2x as much for insurance. I still plan to get a Z someday! BTW, if you dont like the sound of a 4banger, get an 02 dump or an external wastegate :beer:

+1 I heard an evo with an open wastegate before...oh my gosh its sex to your ears.

[cam02ss]

Ash, this must have been the race you were tellin me about the other night. We'll go Evo hunting here soon enough. If 4tun wants to meet up and make some pulls...440 hp might make a good race

[4tun8]

Ash, this must have been the race you were tellin me about the other night. We'll go Evo hunting here soon enough. If 4tun wants to meet up and make some pulls...440 hp might make a good race


Definitely, I'm heading up to Beaver Springs in about an hour, you guys should head up.

[EE1983]

An 02 dump? I took a lot of dumps in 02. About 365. ;)

Seriously though, what do you mean an 02 dump? You have an exhaust cutout after the 02 sensor or sumthin'?

It releases the exhaust from the turbo's wastegate to the atmosphere. Normally, the wastegate exhaust is rerouted into the system.

[cam02ss]

Definitely, I'm heading up to Beaver Springs in about an hour, you guys should head up.

is that the track you usually race at? cecil or maple grove for me. i won't have mine back until next week and then i have to go through the break in process. i'll be taking it down to the west chester area once everything is good to go if you want to meet up

[ls1blackbeauty98]

If you want to run another evo and video tape it and you're local to central pa (your profile says pa) you can run me, from a roll or dig doesnt matter either, would be a good time.

since i started all this i guess ill jump in and post..
well if you'd like to race me im down, although keep in mind it sounds like you have a heavily moded evo, and im a stock LS1.
will, evo hunting sounds fun. count me in.

[4tun8]

This is my first time racing at Beaver....normally cecil or maple grove for me. Are you doing the Pinks all out competition at Maple Grove? I got in for that, should be interesting to race for 10 grand =p

[cam02ss]

since i started all this i guess ill jump in and post..
well if you'd like to race me im down, although keep in mind it sounds like you have a heavily moded evo, and im a stock LS1.
will, evo hunting sounds fun. count me in.

who says you'll run him in your car ;)

This is my first time racing at Beaver....normally cecil or maple grove for me. Are you doing the Pinks all out competition at Maple Grove? I got in for that, should be interesting to race for 10 grand =p


nah i didn't. if i were going to enter something serious like that i'd put a TH400 in.

[mogs01gt]

I think Wesman really isnt explaining very well what he is trying to say. A car like that Evo with tons of top end power and nothing down low really isnt a fun car to drive, to me and I think to Wesman to. With the evo modfied like that, you have to go WOT and bring the boost up to do anything with it. With cars that make more lowend torque with either engine power or gears in the rear end, you can have fun all day long at half throttle lighting the tires up, dicking around, etc etc, without ever having to do up to 6k+. If you do not build boost in 4 cylinder cars, they dont go anywhere.

That I think is why he is saying its not a usuable power band for a street car. For a track car, who cares about low end, you are at your upper power band the entire length of the track.

[Raoul-Duke]

I think Wesman really isnt explaining very well what he is trying to say. A car like that Evo with tons of top end power and nothing down low really isnt a fun car to drive, to me and I think to Wesman to. With the evo modfied like that, you have to go WOT and bring the boost up to do anything with it. With cars that make more lowend torque with either engine power or gears in the rear end, you can have fun all day long at half throttle lighting the tires up, dicking around, etc etc, without ever having to do up to 6k+. If you do not build boost in 4 cylinder cars, they dont go anywhere.

That I think is why he is saying its not a usuable power band for a street car. For a track car, who cares about low end, you are at your upper power band the entire length of the track.

yep, thats what i believe hes gettin across and thats why i agree with him....for fun, drivin a evo < drivin a bolt on m6 lt1/ls1 w 4.10's

[EE1983]

I think Wesman really isnt explaining very well what he is trying to say. A car like that Evo with tons of top end power and nothing down low really isnt a fun car to drive, to me and I think to Wesman to. With the evo modfied like that, you have to go WOT and bring the boost up to do anything with it. With cars that make more lowend torque with either engine power or gears in the rear end, you can have fun all day long at half throttle lighting the tires up, dicking around, etc etc, without ever having to do up to 6k+. If you do not build boost in 4 cylinder cars, they dont go anywhere.

That I think is why he is saying its not a usuable power band for a street car. For a track car, who cares about low end, you are at your upper power band the entire length of the track.

Yes and the EVO shown has a huge turbo. The stock turbo and even 20G upgrades are extremely fun to drive and have awesome turbo response. Its whats kept me from upgrading the turbo, is the response and fun to drive factor the car has with the stock turbo.

[mogs01gt]

well rya go to think, I drive a lightning with 4.10 gears as my DD. So it better have some good low end to compete with fun to drive :). My buddies STI with more power and being faster than my L doesnt, have near the low end.

[tonyjnjz]

i think an evo would be WAAAAAAAAAAY more fun to drive than my lpe 383 z28









































in the snow :nana:

[EE1983]

i think an evo would be WAAAAAAAAAAY more fun to drive than my lpe 383 z28









































in the snow :nana:

It is, but I also like to rip turns sideways and do crazy shit. The only other car I could do that in is the Z06 and even then, it wasnt as fun.

All comes down to preference.

[JHayesLS1]

I gotta admit AWD is alot of fun, we have done some damn stupid things before too. EE have you done donuts in your car yet?

[tonyjnjz]

lol im just teasing man....after previously owning an rsx-s before my current car and an ls1 BEFORE the rsx i couldnt imagine it being more fun to ME ...i can imagine it being more fun to others though.....i just LOVE the v8 rumble and tourqe ..hearing my tires fighting for grip thru 1st and second gear usualy losing it by 3k in first and gettin it back near the top of first as my tires get hot...then shifting to second as my rear end slides all over and the tires are fighting for grip again.......dunno its just to much fun.........i WISH i could afford an evo as a second car though.....DD as well as my winter ride with blizzaks at all 4 corners...id be a maniac in the snow in one of those.... i KNOW an rsx isnt anywhere near an evo....it still made me miss a v8 every day i owned it though

[mogs01gt]

It is, but I also like to rip turns sideways and do crazy shit. The only other car I could do that in is the Z06 and even then, it wasnt as fun.

All comes down to preference.
lmao did you read the buttom part about snow? you wont be doing that shit in a zo6. All you'll doing is sitting their in the driveway with your dick in your hands cause that is gonna be all the fun you have that day.

[EE1983]

lmao did you read the buttom part about snow? you wont be doing that shit in a zo6. All you'll doing is sitting their in the driveway with your dick in your hands cause that is gonna be all the fun you have that day.


Yeah I was referring to the dry. I dont even use my EVO in the snow, I have a beater ;)

[EE1983]

I gotta admit AWD is alot of fun, we have done some damn stupid things before too. EE have you done donuts in your car yet?

No, I think that kind of stuff is dumb. I just like driving it hard through exit turns and things like that. You can call it "spirited driving" I guess. I took my buddy with me who has the 02 SS H/C and he wanted to get an EVO afterwards, but he did say he loved his V8 still :beer: If I could buy another car right now, it would be a Z06 or a Camaro SS and Id put a 408 in it and be done!

[JHayesLS1]

No, I think that kind of stuff is dumb. I just like driving it hard through exit turns and things like that. You can call it "spirited driving" I guess. I took my buddy with me who has the 02 SS H/C and he wanted to get an EVO afterwards, but he did say he loved his V8 still :beer: If I could buy another car right now, it would be a Z06 or a Camaro SS and Id put a 408 in it and be done!


No doubt the Evo's and STI's are loads of fun. Thats why you can't bash them to you have experienced them

[cam02ss]

No, I think that kind of stuff is dumb. I just like driving it hard through exit turns and things like that. You can call it "spirited driving" I guess. I took my buddy with me who has the 02 SS H/C and he wanted to get an EVO afterwards, but he did say he loved his V8 still :beer: If I could buy another car right now, it would be a Z06 or a Camaro SS and Id put a 408 in it and be done!

;)

No doubt the Evo's and STI's are loads of fun. Thats why you can't bash them to you have experienced them

Even on this board I'm not afraid to admit that I like Evo's and Sti's. I wouldn't mind having one as a DD. Don't think that's possible right now though since I'm in the finishing stages of doing what he mentioned above.

[EE1983]

;)



Even on this board I'm not afraid to admit that I like Evo's and Sti's. I wouldn't mind having one as a DD. Don't think that's possible right now though since I'm in the finishing stages of doing what he mentioned above.

Theyre just so different and fun in their own ways. Id love to have a huge displacement V8 with ridiculous torque and that V8 rumble, but I also want my EVO still.. Someday!

[cam02ss]

eh to each his own as long as you're having fun.

[EE1983]

eh to each his own as long as you're having fun.

I agree completely:yup:

[AKIRA]

Ok this got boring fast. Someone bring the argument back. :cry:

[Stone]

Ok this got boring fast. Someone bring the argument back. :cry:

Wesman= :cry:


lol

[cam02ss]

Ok this got boring fast. Someone bring the argument back. :cry:

lol like me running 4tun?

If you want to run another evo and video tape it and you're local to central pa (your profile says pa) you can run me, from a roll or dig doesnt matter either, would be a good time.

sorry but pickin on stock LS1's aint gonna cut it. not trying to be a dick but if that car has 500 hp it won't be much of a race. being that my car won't even be started up until next week, gotta get it broken in before the dynotune, etc. i shouldn't be talking....bench racing. i couldn't resist though...damn little devil on my shoulder

[EE1983]

lol like me running 4tun?



sorry but pickin on stock LS1's aint gonna cut it. not trying to be a dick but if that car has 500 hp it won't be much of a race. being that my car won't even be started up until next week, gotta get it broken in before the dynotune, etc. i shouldn't be talking....bench racing. i couldn't resist though...damn little devil on my shoulder


I dont think he challenged the stocK LS1, he just volunteered

[ls1blackbeauty98]

I dont think he challenged the stocK LS1, he just volunteered

challenged wasnt the word he used, i believe it was "pickin on stock LS1s". It wasnt a challenege because obviously he'd beat me, volunteered as in i can get a video of getting beat by an evo? yea pickin on the stock LS1 sounds about right. its easy as shit for import guys to talk big to people like me who are stock... run with the big boys and you gain respect, not talkin big to girls in stock cars like mine.

[cam02ss]

i always wanted to volunteer for something :bounce:

[EE1983]

challenged wasnt the word he used, i believe it was "pickin on stock LS1s". It wasnt a challenege because obviously he'd beat me, volunteered as in i can get a video of getting beat by an evo? yea pickin on the stock LS1 sounds about right. its easy as shit for import guys to talk big to people like me who are stock... run with the big boys and you gain respect, not talkin big to girls in stock cars like mine.

I just saw you post in saying youre only stock but youd race, i didnt know that it was part of a previous conversation. No modded EVO should call out a stock LS1, I agree completely.

I was reluctant to race a guy on this board bc he told me he only had intake/exhaust but he wanted to do it, turned out to be real cool guy and he comes down to my area to race now. Turned out to be a good thing.

[Wesman]

Wesman= :cry:


lol

Yea, I'm really crying :think:

Or just watching the discussion because nobody said anything that I really diasgreed with in the last couple pages.

Until you chimed in with your stupid comments, everything was going fine by me :rolleyes:

[Wesman]

I think Wesman really isnt explaining very well what he is trying to say. A car like that Evo with tons of top end power and nothing down low really isnt a fun car to drive, to me and I think to Wesman to. With the evo modfied like that, you have to go WOT and bring the boost up to do anything with it. With cars that make more lowend torque with either engine power or gears in the rear end, you can have fun all day long at half throttle lighting the tires up, dicking around, etc etc, without ever having to do up to 6k+. If you do not build boost in 4 cylinder cars, they dont go anywhere.

That I think is why he is saying its not a usuable power band for a street car. For a track car, who cares about low end, you are at your upper power band the entire length of the track.

yep, thats what i believe hes gettin across and thats why i agree with him....for fun, drivin a evo < drivin a bolt on m6 lt1/ls1 w 4.10's

I'm glad you guys took what I am trying to say in context, thats exactly what I'm talking about.

Obviously Evos and STIs are "driveable". I'm not trying to say that they aren't. Hell, a 55HP Geo Metro is "driveable". But there is just no comparison to the powerband of a V8, regardless of what power adders or mods you have. Nothing like hammering the gas at any RPM and having it shove you back in the seat with torque and then pull strongly to redline. And nothing beats the sound of a V8 Muscle car, either. I could care less about open wastegates and such, that may sound kind of cool the first few times, but its nothing that impressive IMO.

I've driven a lot of cars...and like blackzlt1 said, nothing beats a bolt on LS or LT with an M6 and 4.10's for pure driving fun. No "waiting for boost", no gutless low end, no farting sounds, no bull. Just pure, unadultered raw Horsepower and torque with a mean muscle car sound. And thats what I'm a fan of.

[stevegrizzle]

Yea, I'm really crying :think:

Or just watching the discussion because nobody said anything that I really diasgreed with in the last couple pages.

Until you chimed in with your stupid comments, everything was going fine by me :rolleyes:

So you do watch the O'reilly factor, you bastard! jfwy

[Stone]

Yea, I'm really crying :think:

Or just watching the discussion because nobody said anything that I really diasgreed with in the last couple pages.

Until you chimed in with your stupid comments, everything was going fine by me :rolleyes:


Look at the "lol" at the bottom of the post WESMAN;)

[cam02ss]

challenged wasnt the word he used, i believe it was "pickin on stock LS1s". It wasnt a challenege because obviously he'd beat me, volunteered as in i can get a video of getting beat by an evo? yea pickin on the stock LS1 sounds about right. its easy as shit for import guys to talk big to people like me who are stock... run with the big boys and you gain respect, not talkin big to girls in stock cars like mine.

Don't get your hopes up, he won't. He didn't have much to say about running me, which I don't understand being that 500 hp, whether you are RWD, AWD, etc. is nothing to be taken lightly. There are cars down around me and then some that would be up for a race.

[4tun8]

what are you talking about dude? I'll run you I don't care lol. Unlike some people I could give a shit whether I win or lose, I just like to run em hard.

I'm not scared of your car, if you win you win. You'd have to have a motor in it first to run me though don't you think? I see it's gonna be a 408 with 200 shot, that's what I need, some squeeze! =p

[cam02ss]

what are you talking about dude? I'll run you I don't care lol. Unlike some people I could give a shit whether I win or lose, I just like to run em hard.

I'm not scared of your car, if you win you win. You'd have to have a motor in it first to run me though don't you think? I see it's gonna be a 408 with 200 shot, that's what I need, some squeeze! =p

you're right about one of the two. it will be a fun race. i mean come on man..i think you're a little above running a stock LS1 now don't ya think lol.

[ls1blackbeauty98]

you're right about one of the two. it will be a fun race. i mean come on man..i think you're a little above running a stock LS1 now don't ya think lol.

sounds like yall got a race.

[AKIRA]

I can atest for one thing Wesman keeps saying..the car looks like shit. It really does. It doesnt look masculine at all and the only personality it has reminds me of the black fag on Revenge of the Nerds.

Power means nothing compared to looks. For instance, I think the GTOs are terrible. Regardless of its power, I wont buy one for that price cuz of its looks alone.

[EVO 9]

the awesome sound of an LS1 is way better when accompanied by the even better sound of piston slap, and lots of valvetrain noise too.

[mrr23]

the awesome sound of an LS1 is way better when accompanied by the even better sound of piston slap, and lots of valvetrain noise too.

which will always out do the sound of a weedwhacker on four wheels. :bounce: don't be hatin' yo.
you must have been reading. stop trying to buck the system.

[EVO 9]

i drive a mustang with flowmasters

[AKIRA]

the awesome sound of an LS1 is way better when accompanied by the even better sound of piston slap, and lots of valvetrain noise too.

:lol: Thats not on all the engines. Ive had 2 motors and neither have it.

I really did laugh, not like the smiley though.

[mrr23]

i drive a mustang with flowmasters


yes, i know.

[ls1blackbeauty98]

the awesome sound of an LS1 is way better when accompanied by the even better sound of piston slap, and lots of valvetrain noise too.

i know of an fbody driver that can slap my piston any day haha wait.. off topic sorry yall :)

why are there so many evo junkies on an ls1 site? LS1 yall.... thats the motor... in most of our cars... get it?

[BLKCLOUD]

Most people in this thread wouldn't know piston slap if they heard it, and couldn't tell the difference between valvetrain noise and an exhaust leak (or most especially piston slap vs valvetrain).

"Evo Junkies"....

It is not at all uncommon to see folks with a different car than the one a forum is built around frequenting the site. However, what is unusual is those folks coming into that different site and posting "kills" of cars totally unrelated to anything but themselves.

That seems to be a trend around here lately. Mostly by the Evo crowd. No big deal - nobody is forcing anyone else to read what they post, and it probably makes them feel better.

[Wesman]

the awesome sound of an LS1 is way better when accompanied by the even better sound of piston slap, and lots of valvetrain noise too.

Are you seriously trying to pretend like your car sounds good?? Piston slap?? What a pathetic argument. Most cars don't have that problem, and once they motor warms up it goes away anyhow.

Your car sounds like attack of the killer bees...you are the very last person would should be trying to make fun of the way a motor sounds.

Damn ricers...

[EE1983]

i drive a mustang with flowmasters

:screwy: