What do you think of the 350z?

[Lakewood]

I personally hate them

[predator]

Iv heard they have really bad rear tire wear...

-me

[M6HUGGERSS]

i like the G35 better.

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

They are ok, but over priced.

[Randi820]

i love them- we have one. such a fun little car.

[Promise517]

Depends on what you want out of it, the old ZX300's are faster.

[Zboner]

i like the G35 better also

[tonyjnjz]

drove a 350z about a yr ago..friend of a friends car...i REALLY liked it but i couldnt live with it only because there wasnt enough room inside..felt very cramped..i would go nuts day to day driving in one...an ls1 under the hood would make it a hell of a lot better to :D

[Zboner]

they get really shitty mileage also i hear, my uncle has one

[Danger731]

like em

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

Depends on what you want out of it, the old ZX300's are faster.

I liked the 300ZX TT's much better! Another hard to find car that is in good shape for a decent price.

[z28punk]

good lookin cars, no torque tho. thats my only complaint

[AKIRA]

I liked the 300ZX TT's much better! Another hard to find car that is in good shape for a decent price.

Agreed.

[djvaly]

i beat one '04 model when i was bone stock in the '99 TA last year.

[ATCharming]

nissan would be much more successful if they werent douchebags and would just F*in import the skyline finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :ar:

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

I did drive a couple and they are fun, but not nearly enough power to compete with a LS1.

[blackhawk01]

they get really shitty mileage also i hear, my uncle has one


I dont think anything gets as shitty gas mieleage as my 4.3 V6 gets.....*rolls eyes*

[Wesman]

I don't like them at all.

First of its Japanese. Thats strike number one.

Its a 6 cylinder, its not fast, it can't be made fast without F/I (expensive and not worth it), it doesn't look that nice, its expensive, and it gets worse fuel economy than my V8.

Personally I would never even consider buying one.

[ATCharming]

I don't like them at all.

First of its Japanese. Thats strike number one.

Its a 6 cylinder, its not fast, it can't be made fast without F/I (expensive and not worth it), it doesn't look that nice, its expensive, and it gets worse fuel economy than my V8.

Personally I would never even consider buying one.

i understand what ur sayin, but what about a skyline?

so it gets the first strike cuz its japanese...

and its a 6 cylinder, but these cars can hit 200mph for a few grand. they are probably the fastest v6 car ever made. i think the r34s look pretty awesome. hell yea they are expensive, considering its almost impossible to import one, and im not sure about the fuel economy.

plus theyre rare as hell

if i had a bunch of cash, i would never buy a 350z ever, but id buy a skyline in a heartbeat

[Silver Streak]

If you want a fast V-6... for cheap.. just find an 89 TTA.. running low 12s STOCK. Then you have american.. AND an F-body.

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

If you want a fast V-6... for cheap.. just find an 89 TTA.. running low 12s STOCK. Then you have american.. AND an F-body.

I don't think you can find a cheap one! I've never even saw one for sale in my area.

[ATCharming]

tta?

[ATCharming]

is that a turbo trans am? in that case wouldnt it be a v8 since all trans ams had 8 cylinders???

[JoeShmoe]

is that a turbo trans am? in that case wouldnt it be a v8 since all trans ams had 8 cylinders???

Heck, no. It's a 3.8L V6 from the Buick GN.

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0512gm_1989_pontiac_trans_am_turbo_feature/

[JoeShmoe]

If you want a fast V-6... for cheap.. just find an 89 TTA.. running low 12s STOCK. Then you have american.. AND an F-body.


I would say more like low 13s.

[Wesman]

i understand what ur sayin, but what about a skyline?

so it gets the first strike cuz its japanese...

and its a 6 cylinder, but these cars can hit 200mph for a few grand. they are probably the fastest v6 car ever made. i think the r34s look pretty awesome. hell yea they are expensive, considering its almost impossible to import one, and im not sure about the fuel economy.

plus theyre rare as hell

if i had a bunch of cash, i would never buy a 350z ever, but id buy a skyline in a heartbeat


Skylines are one of the most overrated cars ever. The ricers would be following you around everywhere if you had one of those cars, its ridiculous, they freakin worship them.

I don't think they are anything special. Its expensive as hell, doesn't look nice, and sounds like complete ass. And they aren't even that fast stock. Skyline = riceburner crap IMO.

[tonyjnjz]

Skylines are one of the most overrated cars ever. The ricers would be following you around everywhere if you had one of those cars, its ridiculous, they freakin worship them.

I don't think they are anything special. Its expensive as hell, doesn't look nice, and sounds like complete ass. And they aren't even that fast stock. Skyline = riceburner crap IMO.

THATS RIGHT!!!!! id rather have a bushner racing evo!!!!!!!! :hide:

[Dillard99]

a Girls Car

[Randi820]

a Girls Car
i'm a girl and i have a ws6 and my dad has a 350z. haha.

[Dillard99]

well not to many guys were iam have 350Z there nice but i see more girl
owners than men.

[Raoul-Duke]

there nice...but def not fast enough for me

[AKIRA]

I don't like them at all.

First of its Japanese. Thats strike number one.

Its a 6 cylinder, its not fast, it can't be made fast without F/I (expensive and not worth it), it doesn't look that nice, its expensive, and it gets worse fuel economy than my V8.

Personally I would never even consider buying one.

Didnt I read on here that 350zs were like S2000s as in they are basically 'already modified from the manufacturer,' meaning theres hardly any more hp to find without force induction?

That would fucking suck for any car enthusiast.

[Wesman]

Didnt I read on here that 350zs were like S2000s as in they are basically 'already modified from the manufacturer,' meaning theres hardly any more hp to find without force induction?

That would fucking suck for any car enthusiast.

Yep, pretty much. There's only so much power you can get out of a 3.5L N/A V6. And Nissan already has 270+HP from the factory, so you're not going to get much more out of it. Basically it comes down to removing some airflow restrictions (I/E, ect.) with the basic bolt ons. Not huge gains to be found, at all.

[tonyjnjz]

Yep, pretty much. There's only so much power you can get out of a 3.5L N/A V6. And Nissan already has 270+HP from the factory, so you're not going to get much more out of it. Basically it comes down to removing some airflow restrictions (I/E, ect.) with the basic bolt ons. Not huge gains to be found, at all.

preach on!! ESPECIALLY with the s2k's VERY lil power to be found without putting some spray or boost on it

[danziger]

i understand what ur sayin, but what about a skyline?

so it gets the first strike cuz its japanese...

and its a 6 cylinder, but these cars can hit 200mph for a few grand. they are probably the fastest v6 car ever made. i think the r34s look pretty awesome. hell yea they are expensive, considering its almost impossible to import one, and im not sure about the fuel economy.

plus theyre rare as hell

if i had a bunch of cash, i would never buy a 350z ever, but id buy a skyline in a heartbeat

Um, I think you may be misinformed. I lived in Japan for a couple years and drove plenty of Skylines. The R34s were underrated at 276HP (Japanese manufacturers' "gentleman's agreement") and made more like 270awhp. They run bottom 13s-high 12s in stock trim...much like a LS1 F-body. How are they hitting 200mph for a "few grand"? My friend Inoyue had a worked maroon R33 that was awesome, but of all the cars over there, I'd still pick a Supra.

[ATCharming]

Um, I think you may be misinformed. I lived in Japan for a couple years and drove plenty of Skylines. The R34s were underrated at 276HP (Japanese manufacturers' "gentleman's agreement") and made more like 270awhp. They run bottom 13s-high 12s in stock trim...much like a LS1 F-body. How are they hitting 200mph for a "few grand"? My friend Inoyue had a worked maroon R33 that was awesome, but of all the cars over there, I'd still pick a Supra.

im not gonna argue cuz you have more knowledge bout them than me. but youtube it. just search skyline and instantly plenty of videos of them goin 200mph come up.

[Wesman]

im not gonna argue cuz you have more knowledge bout them than me. but youtube it. just search skyline and instantly plenty of videos of them goin 200mph come up.

Yea.

200MPH with a "few grand in mods".

What the hell are you smoking?? :wwf:

[ATCharming]

sinceim not perfect and you are, give me an exact number of dollars it would cost.

[70hemicuda]

its ugly...

[Wesman]

sinceim not perfect and you are, give me an exact number of dollars it would cost.


Nobody cares exactly how much is costs. Its irrelevent. The point is that in order to get a Skyline to hit 200MPH its going to cost a ton of money - in other words, its totally impracticle and a waste of time. The car isn't built to hit 200MPH - every component from the transmission to the suspension to the tires would have to be upgraded.

You could just buy a much faster, much better car, like a Z06, than can almost hit 200MPH from the factory. And it would still cost you less money.

[danziger]

im not gonna argue cuz you have more knowledge bout them than me. but youtube it. just search skyline and instantly plenty of videos of them goin 200mph come up.

I'm not arguing, just trying to give you the straight scoop...
It would probably cost about the same to put a Corvette over 200mph as it would a Skyline. The Nissan has a sturdy engine, which is factory turbocharged and that makes for a great start, but it is also relatively heavy and doesn't have the cleanest aerodynamics.
The Skyline is a great car, but don't get caught up in the hype. They new ones based on the G35 platform are hideous...

[tonyjnjz]

c6z06 68k 194 mph or so last i knew.........lpe cam package 5k 616 horse 73k bucks and your EASILY and safely over 200mph ....im sure many of u could put a cam in much cheaper as well...and prolly a bigger one...so much potentional still in that engine

[danziger]

When I said "Corvette", I probably should have put C5. Since this is a LS1 site, I kinda didn't specify...

[tonyjnjz]

so your comparing a skyline to a vette dollar for dollar? which has better performance??? or top end speed maybe? is that the argument here? stock? not stock?

[tonyjnjz]

this one will easily put u over 200 as well.....belive motertrend tested a 650hp twin turbo c5 package at 226 mph...or maybe it was car and driver...


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-04-Z06-Lingenfelter-Stage-3-427-Twin-Turbo-700rwhp_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6168QQitemZ1101 04044370QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[secondgearscratch]

every single part of a skylines valvetrain to the drivetrain costs an arm and a leg, just like the supra. yeah, the cars are rare. whoopty fucking doo. that just means that they dont have big aftermarket support so everything will be at a premium and ridiculous price because there arent too many options. and i have a friend who talked to motoRex which is the now defunct company that was the only company legally able to import skylines. not only are you looking at car price, but shipping fees and IMPORTING fees are astronomical as well. by the time the twin turbo'd, all wheel drive hunk of crap gets here and your getting pulled on by the same cars as usual (f bodies) you would promptly kick yourself in the sack for shelling out worthless cash.
oh yeah, good luck finding a tuner for it that will charge around the 250 -300 it costs to get an fbody tuned at a shop. let me know if anyone else gets a bright idea.......:beer:

[Wesman]

every single part of a skylines valvetrain to the drivetrain costs an arm and a leg, just like the supra. yeah, the cars are rare. whoopty fucking doo. that just means that they dont have big aftermarket support so everything will be at a premium and ridiculous price because there arent too many options. and i have a friend who talked to motoRex which is the now defunct company that was the only company legally able to import skylines. not only are you looking at car price, but shipping fees and IMPORTING fees are astronomical as well. by the time the twin turbo'd, all wheel drive hunk of crap gets here and your getting pulled on by the same cars as usual (f bodies) you would promptly kick yourself in the sack for shelling out worthless cash.
oh yeah, good luck finding a tuner for it that will charge around the 250 -300 it costs to get an fbody tuned at a shop. let me know if anyone else gets a bright idea.......:beer:


Good explaination and reasoning.

Ricers don't understand that though, they see it in the F&F and immediately NEED to have one, regardless of how pointless it is. They have this neverending desire to import JDM crap, I don't understand, its a waste :wwf:

[secondgearscratch]

Good explaination and reasoning.

Ricers don't understand that though, they see it in the F&F and immediately NEED to have one, regardless of how pointless it is. They have this neverending desire to import JDM crap, I don't understand, its a waste :wwf:


i agree with you there. the fast and the furious really gave peple a false sense of power and speed, and it seems that alot of people have bought into the misinformation. skylines are so technologically advanced that it takes the fun out of doing it yourself. people dont seem to get that getting a skyline and putting big turbos and NAWS on it doesnt mean youre going to have a rocket. its going to be a heavy, turbo lagging snail and will undoubtedly break something on the drivetrain. i love the old rice catchphrase, "the block will support 800hp" yeah, but the top end will shatter. skylines are only as untouchable as hollywood makes them. in actuality they are just like any other car with 270hp. when you take away all the glamour and rareness that looks pretty weak. same as the stock evos and stis, they'll get ya from the hole shot but you'll run em down in second.
i really dont wanna import a car to get run down in second by a $10,000 f body (like mine)

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

this one will easily put u over 200 as well.....belive motertrend tested a 650hp twin turbo c5 package at 226 mph...or maybe it was car and driver...


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-04-Z06-Lingenfelter-Stage-3-427-Twin-Turbo-700rwhp_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6168QQitemZ1101 04044370QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW



I wonder if the seller will trade cars with me. That looks like a bad ass Vette!

[danziger]

so your comparing a skyline to a vette dollar for dollar? which has better performance??? or top end speed maybe? is that the argument here? stock? not stock?

Stock vs. stock, my money is on the C5 over the Skyline both 1/4 mile and top speed.
Modded it comes down to who has more money to spend...just like always. The Nissan will be initially easier to get power from as it is already F/I. The Corvette has a virtually limitless aftermarket if you have the money to use it...

[danziger]

this one will easily put u over 200 as well.....belive motertrend tested a 650hp twin turbo c5 package at 226 mph...or maybe it was car and driver...


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-04-Z06-Lingenfelter-Stage-3-427-Twin-Turbo-700rwhp_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6168QQitemZ1101 04044370QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Well that is "estimated" top speed...big difference. It would depend on the gearing and aero. That's still a bad-ass Vette...
My Z28 makes well over 600rwhp, but I'm not sure it would crack 200mph. Above 170mph aerodynamics become far more important than absolute HP.

[danziger]

every single part of a skylines valvetrain to the drivetrain costs an arm and a leg, just like the supra. yeah, the cars are rare. whoopty fucking doo. that just means that they dont have big aftermarket support so everything will be at a premium and ridiculous price because there arent too many options. and i have a friend who talked to motoRex which is the now defunct company that was the only company legally able to import skylines. not only are you looking at car price, but shipping fees and IMPORTING fees are astronomical as well. by the time the twin turbo'd, all wheel drive hunk of crap gets here and your getting pulled on by the same cars as usual (f bodies) you would promptly kick yourself in the sack for shelling out worthless cash.
oh yeah, good luck finding a tuner for it that will charge around the 250 -300 it costs to get an fbody tuned at a shop. let me know if anyone else gets a bright idea.......:beer:

You have a valid argument for the Skyline as it was never officially imported here, but don't lump the Supra into that argument. Up until 450ish rwhp (which is what the Supra can max on the stock twins), the Supra is far cheaper to modify that a comparable LSx platform (unless you are running nitrous). My friend had a bad-ass 1997 Supra nad no problems finding tuners in the DC area. The Skyline would obviously be more of a challenge...

[tonyjnjz]

thats NOT esimated my friend...they did an article on it a few yrs ago...LPE's 650 horse twin turbo package.......WENT 226mph......was on the cover...they actualy sold that car not to long ago....lemme see if i can find the article on lpe's website

[danziger]

i agree with you there. the fast and the furious really gave peple a false sense of power and speed, and it seems that alot of people have bought into the misinformation. skylines are so technologically advanced that it takes the fun out of doing it yourself. people dont seem to get that getting a skyline and putting big turbos and NAWS on it doesnt mean youre going to have a rocket. its going to be a heavy, turbo lagging snail and will undoubtedly break something on the drivetrain. i love the old rice catchphrase, "the block will support 800hp" yeah, but the top end will shatter. skylines are only as untouchable as hollywood makes them. in actuality they are just like any other car with 270hp. when you take away all the glamour and rareness that looks pretty weak. same as the stock evos and stis, they'll get ya from the hole shot but you'll run em down in second.
i really dont wanna import a car to get run down in second by a $10,000 f body (like mine)

Man, you guys really hate the competition! I understand where you are coming from with all the Skyline/Supra/3000VR4 nut-huggers, but most of the folks that actually buy and drive the upper-end Japanese performance cars are pretty cool. It's the fan-boys with the body-kitted/stickered/annoying exhaust/80rwhp crap-boxes that give them a bad rap.
I wouldn't own a Japanese performance car, but I have nothing against them and have plenty of friends with everything from Preludes to G35s. None of them talk like the F&F cast because they know the real deal.
BTW, the Skyline driveline is far from weak. Try to read up on them from some unbiased sources, the R33/34s are actually pretty cool, just not my cup of tea...or beer. :Patriot:

[tonyjnjz]

http://www.jeffcom.com/lingenfelter.htm only the first one at 240 mph is est...;)

[danziger]

thats NOT esimated my friend...they did an article on it a few yrs ago...LPE's 650 horse twin turbo package.......WENT 226mph......was on the cover...they actualy sold that car not to long ago....lemme see if i can find the article on lpe's website

Relax. I believe that a Lingenfelter Vette ran that number...I read the article. I'm just saying THAT PARTICULAR Vette for sale hasn't run the number. Changes in gearing and aero can make a big difference.
I repeat...I am not calling you out...this is just friendly discussion.:bounce:

[tonyjnjz]

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-27420096_ITM


:D ..yes john was freakin nuts

[danziger]

Heh. Maybe my Z28 will top 200...only a couple of those Vettes have aero mods.

[tonyjnjz]

Relax. I believe that a Lingenfelter Vette ran that number...I read the article. I'm just saying THAT PARTICULAR Vette for sale hasn't run the number. Changes in gearing and aero can make a big difference.
I repeat...I am not calling you out...this is just friendly discussion.:bounce:

haha i agree...just remember reading the article so i was trying to find it somwhere to prove it since it SEEMED u didnt belive me....aparently u read it to...sick shit...belive that particular car was just an auto with the 3.15 rear end.....obviously a 6 speed with 3.42s wont do it as 5th tops out in the 190s in the high 6000 rpm's

[tonyjnjz]

Heh. Maybe my Z28 will top 200...only a couple of those Vettes have aero mods.

yeah my z could prolly get up near 190..but theres no way in hell i would try it...definitly not safe in an fbody without some serious suspension mods and maybe some aero mods to so u dont fly away

[secondgearscratch]

Man, you guys really hate the competition! I understand where you are coming from with all the Skyline/Supra/3000VR4 nut-huggers, but most of the folks that actually buy and drive the upper-end Japanese performance cars are pretty cool. It's the fan-boys with the body-kitted/stickered/annoying exhaust/80rwhp crap-boxes that give them a bad rap.
I wouldn't own a Japanese performance car, but I have nothing against them and have plenty of friends with everything from Preludes to G35s. None of them talk like the F&F cast because they know the real deal.
BTW, the Skyline driveline is far from weak. Try to read up on them from some unbiased sources, the R33/34s are actually pretty cool, just not my cup of tea...or beer. :Patriot:

i didnt say that by itsself i didnt think the skyline was "cool". on the flip side i used to read about them all the time and about the outrageous tomei engine packages available that make alot of hp. but my bitch is people thinking that these turbo'd wonders are the shit. i respect anything that puts down big numbers but when i get into debates about a skyline being the king i tend to laugh. im not sure about the supra being comparable in price to mod to an f-body. maybe off the shelf 1jz parts but the turbo component of that engine family has ridiculous prices because the car is so scarce. i guess you could get cheap imitation pieces but who wants to trust em? twin turbo supras may infact be good for 450hp with the stock turbos, but you NEVER "just turn the boost up" without an aftermarket fuel pump and a solid tune. i have read about the skylines drive train and the atessa pro is cool but a headache when big hp comes into the mix. as with most awd cars the transfer case takes a beating with the higher rpm launches and that shock on the drivetrain. most of the fastest 1/4 mile skylines have the front wheel drive disabled and the trans computer adjusted to compensate. skylines, unlike evos and stis, operated mainly in rear wheel drive with the torque split up to the front wheels. there are nice "imports" but they are imports and i live in america and like my little 330 ft lbs of TORQUE.

[Wesman]

You have a valid argument for the Skyline as it was never officially imported here, but don't lump the Supra into that argument. Up until 450ish rwhp (which is what the Supra can max on the stock twins), the Supra is far cheaper to modify that a comparable LSx platform (unless you are running nitrous). My friend had a bad-ass 1997 Supra nad no problems finding tuners in the DC area. The Skyline would obviously be more of a challenge...

Far cheaper?? No, its not.

Heres what you don't understand. Sure, they can be made quicker with relatively light mods, due to the engine being restricted from the factory.

However, all the parts to make it fast are expensive. Tuning a car like that is very expensive. Push too much boost, and you have to invest in systems like alchohol injection to prevent pre ignition, also expensive. When things break (inevitable when you start modding an import) you have to give your first born child to pay for replacement parts. And do you honestly think the stock drivetrain is going to handle 450WHP without any issues??

Your argurment is not valid at all.

[secondgearscratch]

Far cheaper?? No, its not.

Heres what you don't understand. Sure, they can be made quicker with relatively light mods, due to the engine being restricted from the factory.

However, all the parts to make it fast are expensive. Tuning a car like that is very expensive. Push too much boost, and you have to invest in systems like alchohol injection to prevent pre ignition, also expensive. When things break (inevitable when you start modding an import) you have to give your first born child to pay for replacement parts. And do you honestly think the stock drivetrain is going to handle 450WHP without any issues??

Your argurment is not valid at all.

dont the chinese already give up their first borns wes??

[Wesman]

Man, you guys really hate the competition! I understand where you are coming from with all the Skyline/Supra/3000VR4 nut-huggers, but most of the folks that actually buy and drive the upper-end Japanese performance cars are pretty cool. It's the fan-boys with the body-kitted/stickered/annoying exhaust/80rwhp crap-boxes that give them a bad rap.
I wouldn't own a Japanese performance car, but I have nothing against them and have plenty of friends with everything from Preludes to G35s. None of them talk like the F&F cast because they know the real deal.
BTW, the Skyline driveline is far from weak. Try to read up on them from some unbiased sources, the R33/34s are actually pretty cool, just not my cup of tea...or beer. :Patriot:

Ever watched sports?? Ask a Yankees fan if he would root for the Redsox. He'll probably punch you in the face :ughlaugh:

Same thing with cars. You support the car manufacturers and autos that you like best, and the country that they come from. We live in American and like American cars. I don't see whay that should even be a question.

The retards driving modded up Civics and CRX's are in the same class as any other person who drives a modded up import. Cars like the 3000GT, Supra, Skyline, Evo, STI, all included. 90% of them are not "pretty cool" at all, they have an inferiority complex that makes them believe Jap crap is the end all to end all cars, that American cars suck and can only go in a straight line, and that 4 and 6 cylinder engines with fart cans sound good. Thats why they bought those cars in the first place. Ask them about American cars, and they will start talking shit. In short, most of them are retards. I deal with these people on a daily basis at work, and I see what the majority of them are like. The exception to the rule is much less common to see.

Don't bother trying to defend import guys. You're fighting a lost cause.

[tonyjnjz]

arnt skylines OVER 50k new in japan when converted to us currency????? actually i think they were over 50k YEARS ago.......so 276 horse 3800lbs vs 400 horse 3200????? 02-04 z06 ..50k and those stats....yeah..sounds like it would be a close race ( rolling eyes).....if u want to mod that piece of shit thats fine to...put a blower on the z06 for 5k and it wont need ANY suppporting mods to handle that for a good amt of time......put any REAL hp to the ground on that skyline and see what breaks

[danziger]

Far cheaper?? No, its not.

Heres what you don't understand. Sure, they can be made quicker with relatively light mods, due to the engine being restricted from the factory.

However, all the parts to make it fast are expensive. Tuning a car like that is very expensive. Push too much boost, and you have to invest in systems like alchohol injection to prevent pre ignition, also expensive. When things break (inevitable when you start modding an import) you have to give your first born child to pay for replacement parts. And do you honestly think the stock drivetrain is going to handle 450WHP without any issues??

Your argurment is not valid at all.

My argument is plenty valid. How much money does it take to get 450rwhp out of an LS1 sans nitrous? Heads/cam package or blower/turbo, correct? How much will that cost? At least $5-6K for F/I and at least $4K for a serious heads/cam set-up. Gee. What do you need to get 450rwhp out of a Supra? Bigger downpipe, intercooler, and injectors. Full exhaust, wastegate mod, tune and race gas.
Tuning is tuning...it's a little harder for F/I, but that goes for both import AND domestic.
The part about a fragile drivetrain makes me laugh when you consider the F-body's 10-bolt.... Not to mention the crappy pre-2001 clutch/slave.
I have 5 GM products in my driveway, but I'm not blind or close-minded.

[secondgearscratch]

arnt skylines OVER 50k new in japan when converted to us currency????? actually i think they were over 50k YEARS ago.......so 276 horse 3800lbs vs 400 horse 3200????? 02-04 z06 ..50k and those stats....yeah..sounds like it would be a close race ( rolling eyes).....if u want to mod that piece of shit thats fine to...put a blower on the z06 for 5k and it wont need ANY suppporting mods to handle that for a good amt of time......put any REAL hp to the ground on that skyline and see what breaks

yup. hey alittle off topic but speaking of blowers, some crazy guy i almost bought a z from swears that an ls1 can handle a blower running about 8 pounds of boost with NO supporting mods. is there any truth to this. i havent taken the time to think it all out.....

[AKIRA]

FINALLY. An argument. :popcorn:

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

I've heard with a big enough inter-cooler/s.

[Wesman]

My argument is plenty valid. How much money does it take to get 450rwhp out of an LS1 sans nitrous? Heads/cam package or blower/turbo, correct? How much will that cost? At least $5-6K for F/I and at least $4K for a serious heads/cam set-up. Gee. What do you need to get 450rwhp out of a Supra? Bigger downpipe, intercooler, and injectors. Full exhaust, wastegate mod, tune and race gas.
Tuning is tuning...it's a little harder for F/I, but that goes for both import AND domestic.
The part about a fragile drivetrain makes me laugh when you consider the F-body's 10-bolt.... Not to mention the crappy pre-2001 clutch/slave.
I have 5 GM products in my driveway, but I'm not blind or close-minded.


No, you're just blinded by your own ignorance in how great you think certain imports are. You're exaggerating the Supra by a long shot. Its an expensive car to buy, maintain, and mod. You're fooling nobody but yourself.

And what about the 10 bolt?? Lame argurment. Yea, they have the possibility of breaking when you're pushing 400WHP and launching on slicks. Its a lightweight diff. There are plenty of guys in the 11's with the 10 bolt, so I wouldn't be talking shit. The Supra drivetrain is by no means bullet proof, blow something out on that and you're looking at a 10K repair bill. Its a complete joke.

You can't argue with someone who thinks they know everything, so I'm done wasting my time on your Mr. Import fanboy domestic owner :rolleyes:

[danziger]

No, you're just blinded by your own ignorance in how great you think certain imports are. You're exaggerating the Supra by a long shot. Its an expensive car to buy, maintain, and mod. You're fooling nobody but yourself.

And what about the 10 bolt?? Lame argurment. Yea, they have the possibility of breaking when you're pushing 400WHP and launching on slicks. Its a lightweight diff. There are plenty of guys in the 11's with the 10 bolt, so I wouldn't be talking shit. The Supra drivetrain is by no means bullet proof, blow something out on that and you're looking at a 10K repair bill. Its a complete joke.

You can't argue with someone who thinks they know everything, so I'm done wasting my time on your Mr. Import fanboy domestic owner :rolleyes:

Wow! I lived in NJ 25 years, yet never developed a attitude like yours. Calling someone "ignorant" because they questioned your reasoning smacks of immaturity and petulance. The smartest people realize that there is always more to learn... I don't have to "fool" anyone. The facts speak for themselves...
Fact: The Supra was over-engineered because it fell short of competeing with the Corvette when the MKiii came out. The weakest link in the MKiv drivetrain is the transmission, but many have survived into the 10s. The really fast ones use a good ol' Chevy Powerglide...
Fact: 7.5 inch 10-bolts break at factory power levels with sticky tires and a M6. 400rwhp is rolling the dice...period. You may have better luck with going 11s behind an A4 because of less driveline shock, but most reasonably serious cars go at least to a 12-bolt.
Fact: Many of the same arguments for the Supra (tuning, ease of initial HP increase, etc) can be used for the Turbo regals (I had a 1986 GN), or are they crap too?
Fact: I currently own all GM, but I'm smart enough to know my competition whether it be Ford (have previously owned two 5.0 GTs), Mopar (owned a 1970 BB Challenger) or import (do my motorcycles count?).
Here's some of my "Mr. Import Fanboy" rides...what do you drive again?
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n27/danziger69/PC170003.jpg
1990 383 Corvette 2000 383 Z28 1990 Buick LeSabre
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n27/danziger69/newshoes.jpg
1990 383 Corvette 2004 GMC Z71
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n27/danziger69/twogirls.jpg
2000 Z28 (when it was heads/cam) 1992 Mustang GT (bolt-ons, weight reduction)

[tonyjnjz]

My argument is plenty valid. How much money does it take to get 450rwhp out of an LS1 sans nitrous? Heads/cam package or blower/turbo, correct? How much will that cost? At least $5-6K for F/I and at least $4K for a serious heads/cam set-up. Gee. What do you need to get 450rwhp out of a Supra? Bigger downpipe, intercooler, and injectors. Full exhaust, wastegate mod, tune and race gas.
Tuning is tuning...it's a little harder for F/I, but that goes for both import AND domestic.
The part about a fragile drivetrain makes me laugh when you consider the F-body's 10-bolt.... Not to mention the crappy pre-2001 clutch/slave.
I have 5 GM products in my driveway, but I'm not blind or close-minded.

supras were also over 40k new and over 25k used now...can we compare it to a z06 instead and be fair dollar for dollar? :D .....im NOT dissing on supras ..just saying they cost much more do begin with than an fbody

[tonyjnjz]

Wow! I lived in NJ 25 years, yet never developed a attitude like yours. Calling someone "ignorant" because they questioned your reasoning smacks of immaturity and petulance. The smartest people realize that there is always more to learn... I don't have to "fool" anyone. The facts speak for themselves...
Fact: The Supra was over-engineered because it fell short of competeing with the Corvette when the MKiii came out. The weakest link in the MKiv drivetrain is the transmission, but many have survived into the 10s. The really fast ones use a good ol' Chevy Powerglide...
Fact: 7.5 inch 10-bolts break at factory power levels with sticky tires and a M6. 400rwhp is rolling the dice...period. You may have better luck with going 11s behind an A4 because of less driveline shock, but most reasonably serious cars go at least to a 12-bolt.
Fact: Many of the same arguments for the Supra (tuning, ease of initial HP increase, etc) can be used for the Turbo regals (I had a 1986 GN), or are they crap too?
Fact: I currently own all GM, but I'm smart enough to know my competition whether it be Ford (have previously owned two 5.0 GTs), Mopar (owned a 1970 BB Challenger) or import (do my motorcycles count?).
Here's some of my "Mr. Import Fanboy" rides...what do you drive again?
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n27/danziger69/PC170003.jpg
1990 383 Corvette 2000 383 Z28 1990 Buick LeSabre
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n27/danziger69/newshoes.jpg
1990 383 Corvette 2004 GMC Z71
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n27/danziger69/twogirls.jpg
2000 Z28 (when it was heads/cam) 1992 Mustang GT (bolt-ons, weight reduction)

very nice collection :Patriot:

[ATCharming]

very nice collection :Patriot:

+1. but wait, are there 2 white 1990 vettes? or are they the same ride just before and after he installed those wheels

[danziger]

supras were also over 40k new and over 25k used now...can we compare it to a z06 instead and be fair dollar for dollar? :D .....im NOT dissing on supras ..just saying they cost much more do begin with than an fbody

I gotta give you that one. Thanks to the Academy Award Winning :rolleyes: "Fast and the Furious", Supra prices are ridiculous. I still prefer the C5 Z06 over anything (the C6 Z06 is WAY out of my price range) insofar as do-it-all uber-car.

[danziger]

+1. but wait, are there 2 white 1990 vettes? or are they the same ride just before and after he installed those wheels

Heh. Same car, new wheels. Mild L98-based 383 + A4 + 2.59 gears = comfy, torquey cruiser that can light the tires at 35MPH...

[ShelbySS]

I like the way they look.

[ATCharming]

Heh. Same car, new wheels. Mild L98-based 383 + A4 + 2.59 gears = comfy, torquey cruiser that can light the tires at 35MPH...

niiiiiiiiiiiiice!