Z/28 Vs. Honda S2000 [Archive] - LS1 Performance Information

BlwnCamaro

02-25-2007, 11:24 AM

Last night I raced a S2000 w/ 4.77 Gears, Intake, & Exhaust...

Here's the Vid I made:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/f10f6e8c-a8c6-44dd-9840-98e000d2dbf8.htm

Cool man good kills. When i was stock in my98 ls1 camaro I had a full bolt on s2000 try to run me, he was kinda there for a second and than I promptly proceeded to put several bus lengths on him. It's funny though how the s2000 guys will say that they will run with a ls1 stock for stock, what a joke. No replacement for good ol american displacement!

whiteghoztt

02-25-2007, 11:33 AM

Good kills! Yeah he needs a bit more then that to keep up. Looks like he was still quick-ish kinda sorta ;)

MikeSomething

02-25-2007, 12:23 PM

Thanks guys, He has a manual and I'm an A4 w/ no stall BTW...

Wesman

02-25-2007, 01:10 PM

Nice kill and nice vid.

Gotta love beating up on overpriced 4 cylinder imports :chuckles:

ss~zoso~ss

02-25-2007, 01:16 PM

whats with ur wing man. :(

blue02Z

02-25-2007, 01:59 PM

nice vidio and nice kill. looks like a good fair race.

MikeSomething

02-25-2007, 02:02 PM

whats with ur wing man. :(

Was on the car when I bought it along w/ the SS hood. I'm lookin into getting an SS spoiler that's already painted pewter, but till then I'm stuck w/ this big retarded one!:rl:

stoney2677

02-25-2007, 04:16 PM

what road were u on j/w

Street Lethal

02-25-2007, 04:31 PM

Thanks guys, He has a manual and I'm an A4 w/ no stall BTW...

My freaking PC is on the fritz, I can't see the video. Oh well, basing this on what I'm hearing... nice kill lol. :)

Get a stall in that thing already, will ya? ;)

hutch1999

02-25-2007, 04:45 PM

good kill of a ricer god

ps: i dont think the S2ks VTEC had kicked in during the race lol

Wesman

02-25-2007, 04:55 PM

good kill of a ricer god

ps: i dont think the S2ks VTEC had kicked in during the race lol

Yea his VTEC must not have been VTECIN' :loser:

JHayesLS1

02-25-2007, 05:22 PM

I think his Z28's time to kick your ass-tech was on, the vtech had no chance.

ndt/oos

02-25-2007, 05:48 PM

good times

Red4Mula

02-25-2007, 06:25 PM

good kill of a ricer god

ps: i dont think the S2ks VTEC had kicked in during the race lol

:approved:

Roastem

02-26-2007, 08:19 AM

Yea his VTEC must not have been VTECIN' :loser:

:haha:

There's my import bashing buddy...

Some dude here in the Raleigh area posted a kill of an LS1 Camaro on S2Ki.com. He was stock with some minor bolt-ons, and tried to say the LS1 had exhaust. Said he was "more impressed with his car everyday." He tried to say he put a couple car lengths on the guy to 120. I went over there and told him I would be glad to give him a race.

Then all I heard were excuses. :unhappy: me a f*ckin river.

Most of the S2K guys gave him sh*t and called BS on him, to their credit.

Good kill Mike! Those S2K's need superchargers to be any comp to LS1's.

ls1blackbeauty98

02-26-2007, 08:25 AM

nice video/nice kill.
man do i hate hondas.. cocky s2000 drivers are the worst.

hutch1999

02-26-2007, 08:34 AM

i wonder how many S2Ks were sold because of the first fast and the furious movie

Roastem

02-26-2007, 08:41 AM

To chics and girlymen! :lol:

MikeSomething

02-26-2007, 01:45 PM

what road were u on j/w

Rt. 18, nice stretch... I know they have been puttin up camera's on some parts now though.

I think his Z28's time to kick your ass-tech was on, the vtech had no chance.

:haha: I def heard something straining under that hood. The same night a M6 LT1 WS6 w/ headers, ORY & Cutout ran dead even w/ him...

Lakewood

02-26-2007, 01:52 PM

lol stupid ricer, S2000s are just honda miatas with Vtec. I heard s2000s respond horrible to mods, like $15000/50hp and also a stock camaro will out handle a s2000 on any track on anyday.

hutch1999

02-26-2007, 03:31 PM

EE1983

02-26-2007, 03:52 PM

Where have you "HEARD" all of your info?

In this extreme rare instance, he is actually correct. That sounds weird doesnt it :naughty:

The S2000 responds horribly to mods, sort of like a 350Z. Intake, headers, exhaust, etc add a miniscule amount of power. A complete waste of time to modify unless you wanna blow some serious cash on a forced induction setup, and even then, they arent that fast.

hutch1999

02-26-2007, 04:12 PM

In this extreme rare instance, he is actually correct. That sounds weird doesnt it :naughty:

The S2000 responds horribly to mods, sort of like a 350Z. Intake, headers, exhaust, etc add a miniscule amount of power. A complete waste of time to modify unless you wanna blow some serious cash on a forced induction setup, and even then, they arent that fast.

I was talking about a stock camaro out handling a S2k, I know they suck when it comes to mods.

AKIRA

02-26-2007, 04:46 PM

Lakewood

02-26-2007, 04:50 PM

That sounds horrible. Why is that?
lack of displacement and technology. You see honda spends all their time and money on blinky lights, Vtec systems, and other neat gadgets that are pretty much uesless, when they forgot car technology 101. THERES NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. Higher number > lower number

EE1983

02-26-2007, 04:52 PM

That sounds horrible. Why is that?

Well its small displacement in the first place that already has an extremely high flowing head and the stock exhaust and intake on it are already pretty good so that leaves only so much to do to it. Its not easy getting 120hp/per litre out of a naturally aspirated motor so in order to do that, the engine has to be pretty "modded" in a way from the factory. This in turn makes it difficult and costly to modify.

EE1983

02-26-2007, 04:54 PM

lack of displacement and technology. You see honda spends all their time and money on blinky lights, Vtec systems, and other neat gadgets that are pretty much uesless, when they forgot car technology 101. THERES NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. Higher number > lower number

Lack of displacement yes.

Lack of technology no.

djvaly

02-26-2007, 04:55 PM

expected the S2000 to get whooped... good kills.

Street Lethal

02-26-2007, 06:13 PM

Rt. 18, nice stretch... I know they have been puttin up camera's on some parts now though.

Be careful out there bro.

AKIRA

02-26-2007, 06:28 PM

Well its small displacement in the first place that already has an extremely high flowing head and the stock exhaust and intake on it are already pretty good so that leaves only so much to do to it. Its not easy getting 120hp/per litre out of a naturally aspirated motor so in order to do that, the engine has to be pretty "modded" in a way from the factory. This in turn makes it difficult and costly to modify.

I guess its like taking one of our modded cars, then re-modding it expecting 10-20hp gains from each re-install.

EE1983

02-26-2007, 06:29 PM

I guess its like taking one of our modded cars, then re-modding it expecting 10-20hp gains from each re-install.

Pretty much. Its like trying to modify a modified car LOL. You can only so far with 2.0L and no FI, N20, etc.

Lakewood

02-26-2007, 07:15 PM

Pretty much. Its like trying to modify a modified car LOL. You can only so far with 2.0L and no FI, N20, etc.
Yea like your evo

EE1983

02-26-2007, 08:32 PM

Yea like your evo

The EVO has FI (forced induction). Please learn to read.

djvaly

02-26-2007, 09:30 PM

:lol: u guys bump into each other on each thread and lakewood gets :Owned:

Roastem

02-27-2007, 05:32 AM

Pretty much. Its like trying to modify a modified car LOL. You can only so far with 2.0L and no FI, N20, etc.

M3's have the same problem.

EE1983

02-27-2007, 05:37 AM

M3's have the same problem.

Yup, notice the pattern!

MikeSomething

02-27-2007, 12:58 PM

Well the only reason I even thought it would be a decent race is cause he has such a high gear ratio... The intake & exhaust never cuts it!

EE1983

02-27-2007, 01:13 PM

Well the only reason I even thought it would be a decent race is cause he has such a high gear ratio... The intake & exhaust never cuts it!

He still didnt stand a chance :spank:

Lakewood

02-27-2007, 01:15 PM

The EVO has FI (forced induction). Please learn to read.

Umm no shit? Thats why it responds like doo doo to mods.

EE1983

02-27-2007, 01:22 PM

Umm no shit? Thats why it responds like doo doo to mods.

I said previously "LEARN TO READ."

Apparently you didnt do that when you signed up for the forums since its specifically asks you if you are over the age of 13. You incorrectly entered "YES"."

I think the Ferrari Enzo responds bad to mods.

Lakewood

02-27-2007, 01:24 PM

I said previously "LEARN TO READ."

Apparently you didnt do that when you signed up for the forums since its specifically asks you if you are over the age of 13. You incorrectly entered "YES"."

I think the Ferrari Enzo responds bad to mods.
Im 17, and dont get mad because your car responds like crap to mods. Its not my fault you bought a turbo 4 banger.

EE1983

02-27-2007, 01:34 PM

Im 17, and dont get mad because your car responds like crap to mods. Its not my fault you bought a turbo 4 banger.

If youre 17, you should try and act like it. From what you write, it would appear you are under the age of 13.

I spent $1700 and made 96whp and over 100ft/lb of torque. Yeah thats just awful response to modding LOL.

Please dont make another response showing how ignorant you are, its getting old.

Lakewood

02-27-2007, 01:39 PM

If youre 17, you should try and act like it. From what you write, it would appear you are under the age of 13.

I spent $1700 and made 96whp and over 100ft/lb of torque. Yeah thats just awful response to modding LOL.

Please dont make another response showing how ignorant you are, its getting old.

Look I didnt come here to learn about evos now just shut up about them nobody cares, this is LS1tech 4Gerbils63 tech. Even though I dont own a LS1 I still own a Fbody so I have more right than you to be here.

EE1983

02-27-2007, 01:44 PM

Look I didnt come here to learn about evos now just shut up about them nobody cares, this is LS1tech 4Gerbils63 tech. Even though I dont own a LS1 I still own a Fbody so I have more right than you to be here.

Ok now you dont want to hear what you cant back up. Typical.

Anyway, you just admitted to not owning an Fbody, and a lot of people here dont, including me, so you have no more of a right being here than I do. its a public forum. Hopefully you can comprehend all this, I know its a lot to take in.

I do actually contribute FACTUAL information to the forums as a lot of owners ask me questions about some imports, sometimes about ones they are going to race and I will give them good info.

You on the other hand just randomly spit out ignorant and false information in almost every post, most of which are incoherent and just flat out dumb. If youd like to discuss this with me further, feel free to PM me, as you've already dragged this thread off topic enough. Deal?

Lakewood

02-27-2007, 01:46 PM

Ok now you dont want to hear what you cant back up. Typical.

Anyway, you just admitted to not owning an Fbody, and a lot of people here dont, including me, so you have no more of a right being here than I do. its a public forum. Hopefully you can comprehend all this, I know its a lot to take in.

I do actually contribute FACTUAL information to the forums as a lot of owners ask me questions about some imports, sometimes about ones they are going to race and I will give them good info.

You on the other hand just randomly spit out ignorant and false information in almost every post, most of which are incoherent and just flat out dumb. If youd like to discuss this with me further, feel free to PM me, as you've already dragged this thread off topic enough. Deal?
Read my post, I said I dont own an LS1 but I still own an FBODY. It might be just a bolt on LT1 but it will destroy your 4 banger from a roll.

EE1983

02-27-2007, 01:47 PM

Read my post, I said I dont own an LS1 but I still own an FBODY. It might be just a bolt on LT1 but it will destroy your 4 banger from a roll.

PM me and we can setup a race.

Lakewood

02-27-2007, 01:51 PM

PM me and we can setup a race. You stupid ricer, like im going to drive all the way to NJ to race a stupid 4 banger, get a clue.

EE1983

02-27-2007, 01:53 PM

You stupid ricer, like im going to drive all the way to NJ to race a stupid 4 banger, get a clue.

Well I wouldnt wana drive to NJ to get my ass kicked either but maybe we can meet up halfway. Too bad youre not from Lakewood, NJ. Its only 15m away! Like I said before, PM me though, lets stop cluttering the thread.

AKIRA

02-27-2007, 02:56 PM

I want to see both of you fuck.

djvaly

02-27-2007, 02:57 PM

hhahahah they can get a room, then smoke a cigarette, then race :lol:

Mjolnir

02-27-2007, 03:03 PM

lol stupid ricer, S2000s are just honda miatas with Vtec. I heard s2000s respond horrible to mods, like $15000/50hp and also a stock camaro will out handle a s2000 on any track on anyday.

Im sorry but a s2000 could whomp on a camaro on the track, camaros suck around turns.... if you knew anything.. And an s2000 isnt a bad car actually has the highest hp per liter. Get your facts straight.

Lakewood

02-27-2007, 03:06 PM

Im sorry but a s2000 could whomp on a camaro on the track, camaros suck around turns.... if you knew anything.. And an s2000 isnt a bad car actually has the highest hp per liter. Get your facts straight.

look up the track times if you don't believe me,$2000 in suspension mods to a LS1 fbody could easily keep up with a lambo or ferrari on the track. Fbodys handle great for how big they are.

Lakewood

02-27-2007, 03:07 PM

I want to see both of you fuck.
Thats probably because your gay, seriously who says that?

AKIRA

02-27-2007, 03:09 PM

Someone who doesnt give a shit about either one of you and wants to shake things up a bit!

Now fuck him!

hutch1999

02-27-2007, 03:14 PM

look up the track times if you don't believe me,$2000 in suspension mods to a LS1 fbody could easily keep up with a lambo or ferrari on the track. Fbodys handle great for how big they are.

Man, shut up or post where you get all this info and track times. Most of it sounds like you made it up.

Lakewood

02-27-2007, 03:15 PM

Someone who doesnt give a shit about either one of you and wants to shake things up a bit!

Now fuck him!

UR :gay:

MikeSomething

02-27-2007, 03:19 PM

You guys see the S2000 that has a LS1 dropped in it? Crazy!

Mjolnir

02-27-2007, 04:02 PM

Man, shut up or post where you get all this info and track times. Most of it sounds like you made it up.

Agreed.

JHayesLS1

02-27-2007, 04:24 PM

I'll pay for your gas and hotel and everything Lakewood just so EE can destroy you.

RagTop

02-27-2007, 04:34 PM

Well the only reason I even thought it would be a decent race is cause he has such a high gear ratio... The intake & exhaust never cuts it!
I hate to be picky, but he had a LOW gear ratio. The bigger the number, the lower the ratio. A 2.73 is a HIGH ratio. Low gears like 4.77s or 4.56s are good for drag racing but limit top end and fuel economy. They also wear out engines. High ratios are good for fuel economy, highway cruising and flat out top end. They aren't as quick accelerating. Remember, big number = low, small number = high.

MikeSomething

02-27-2007, 05:11 PM

I hate to be picky, but he had a LOW gear ratio. The bigger the number, the lower the ratio. A 2.73 is a HIGH ratio. Low gears like 4.77s or 4.56s are good for drag racing but limit top end and fuel economy. They also wear out engines. High ratios are good for fuel economy, highway cruising and flat out top end. They aren't as quick accelerating. Remember, big number = low, small number = high.

Yea, I meant low... I understand. ThanQ.

AKIRA

02-27-2007, 05:34 PM

UR :gay:

Racist!

Wesman

02-27-2007, 06:28 PM

Im sorry but a s2000 could whomp on a camaro on the track, camaros suck around turns.... if you knew anything.. And an s2000 isnt a bad car actually has the highest hp per liter. Get your facts straight.

There was an article in one of the popular mags (Road and Track, C&D, MT?) which pitted the S2000 and and a bunch of other cars against a Camaro SS in an all out competition, circuit track included. The Camaro beat the S2000 around the track, no competition.

tigersport14

02-27-2007, 06:34 PM

There was an article in one of the popular mags (Road and Track, C&D, MT?) which pitted the S2000 and and a bunch of other cars against a Camaro SS in an all out competition, circuit track included. The Camaro beat the S2000 around the track, no competition.

haha but seriously when are you gonna like run into an s2000 and be like hey wanna go race a circut or something? you dont do that you just race straight foward lol

Wesman

02-27-2007, 06:39 PM

haha but seriously when are you gonna like run into an s2000 and be like hey wanna go race a circut or something? you dont do that you just race straight foward lol

Yea exactly...just had to point that out though ;)

MikeSomething

02-27-2007, 06:41 PM

haha but seriously when are you gonna like run into an s2000 and be like hey wanna go race a circut or something? you dont do that you just race straight foward lol

Well, I'll setup some cones & ask him for a rematch... :naughty:

tigersport14

02-27-2007, 06:42 PM

haha yea...just to prove SS's owned it all around

mrr23

02-27-2007, 07:12 PM

lakewood has been temp banned again and been banned from this thread. do not get into an arguement with him. when you see him mouthing off, just report the post and let us take care of it. remember, responding to someone negatively can get you a warning as well. place has been pretty good until recently.

hutch1999

02-27-2007, 11:07 PM

YES!!!! Our sites IQ just went up! lol..... for a little while

tonyjnjz

02-27-2007, 11:24 PM

what does hp per liter get u besides somthing absolutly useless to brag about??? they shoulda offered the 3.2 from the nsx in the s2k ..woulda been a hell of a lot more car then

Roastem

02-28-2007, 05:24 AM

I want to see both of you fuck.

:haha:

That was fkkn priceless! :thumbup:

And kinda :gay: at the same time :thumbdn:

Lakewood, I got a feeling EE's Evo would put a bus length hurtin' on you homey. You need more mods to hang with him. I would run him though...

Hey EE, I am starting a "Help Roastem fix his damn rear-end" fund. Feel free to contribute, and I will meet you half way for a race :D It will be cheap for me, cause you know LS1's get like 25+ mpg on the highway! :chuckles:

What would be fkkd up is if we meet halfway and one of us blow some sh*t up racing, and has to be towed home...and if I drive that far we are gonna drive around for an hour and get at least 2-3 dig races and 5-6 roll races and burn a LOT of GAS and TIRES.

EE1983

02-28-2007, 05:45 AM

:haha:

That was fkkn priceless! :thumbup:

And kinda :gay: at the same time :thumbdn:

Lakewood, I got a feeling EE's Evo would put a bus length hurtin' on you homey. You need more mods to hang with him. I would run him though...

Hey EE, I am starting a "Help Roastem fix his damn rear-end" fund. Feel free to contribute, and I will meet you half way for a race :D It will be cheap for me, cause you know LS1's get like 25+ mpg on the highway! :chuckles:

What would be fkkd up is if we meet halfway and one of us blow some sh*t up racing, and has to be towed home...and if I drive that far we are gonna drive around for an hour and get at least 2-3 dig races and 5-6 roll races and burn a LOT of GAS and TIRES.

LOL! Why dont you try and make the track meet Street Lethal is trying to plan here in Englishtown. The thread is right here in Kill Stories.

BlwnCamaro

02-28-2007, 08:03 AM

Im sorry but a s2000 could whomp on a camaro on the track, camaros suck around turns.... if you knew anything.. And an s2000 isnt a bad car actually has the highest hp per liter. Get your facts straight.

Not true brotha, camaro is a monster on the road course. Where do you think road racing got a lot of its roots in the U.S.? with sick ass rwd gen 1 camaros whooping ass in the trans am series. In stock trim the 4th gens sit kinda high, but will still whoop an s2000 stock for stock except perhaps maybe on the shortest and twistiest of tracks. With lowering and basic suspension bolt ons the slalom, skid pad and track numbers are right on par with very expensive exotics including porche's and ferrari's. Another testament to the world class, budget oriented performance potential of the fbody. With sick ass ls1 horsepower on the straights and great cornering potential the fbody is a great autocross car, why do you think all the nascars, trans am series, indy cars and all superior high level road course cars are rwd not awd or fwd, cause its far superior for road racing and drag racing also. I'm sure and members with autocross experience will chime in on this. I'm sick of hearing the import guys cry when they lose in a drag race that they will beat an ls1 on the road course cause most of them wont, and with suspension bolt ons probably none of them.

Roastem

02-28-2007, 10:49 AM

LOL! Why dont you try and make the track meet Street Lethal is trying to plan here in Englishtown. The thread is right here in Kill Stories.

If I get my rear end fixed in time, I will try my best to make it. Besides, most of you I would like to meet and race.

Hopefully we can get a strong showing of LS1.com members...trolls & assholes not allowed! :lol:

pocheasy

03-02-2007, 04:24 PM

Street Lethal

03-02-2007, 05:07 PM

If I get my rear end fixed in time, I will try my best to make it. Besides, most of you I would like to meet and race.

Hopefully we can get a strong showing of LS1.com members...trolls & assholes not allowed! :lol:

If it doesn't rain tomorrow, I'll have some nice teaser's for you guys. Tomorrow is "Street Wars" Domestic vs Import, here at Raceway, and I'll be recording about a good two hours worth. If I can squeeze in a run before getting the boot (no roll bar), I'll try and do so... :D

Mjolnir

03-02-2007, 05:34 PM

maybe for a nascar circle but i would still rather have all wheel drive on a winedy road. All though ive only had my camaro 2 weeks, just noticed a hudge handling difference between it and a WRX.

Hot Black Trans-Am

03-02-2007, 05:58 PM

I had a 2002 S2000 as a fun car for a summer. It really was a good handling fun car. It did not have the low down TQ or raw HP, but it was fairly quick once you learn how to drive it. The power doesn't even come on until 6400 rpm's at around 40mph in 1st gear. That's when it gets a little fun. It is very fast from 40-60ish then it's losing power after that. It is RWD and can whip 360's like crazy. I had to do a good deal of mods to make my T/A handle better that what my S2000 did. They are very high tech, but pushed quite far from the factory and not worth modding. I would have raced a LS1 fbody with it, but would have expected to get my ass handed to me. One of the few cars I raced with was a 92ish 5.0 Stang from a 35 roll and I blew his doors off. His jaw dropped in disbelief, but we know what a 5.0 is good for.

JHayesLS1

03-02-2007, 06:06 PM

Hot Black Trans-Am

03-02-2007, 06:12 PM

Pretty much.

pocheasy

03-03-2007, 05:32 AM

maybe for a nascar circle but i would still rather have all wheel drive on a winedy road. All though ive only had my camaro 2 weeks, just noticed a hudge handling difference between it and a WRX.
ah gotcha the car is pretty new to you. ive never raged anything but rwd so idk how awd handles but i would still prefer rwd over awd just cause you can manipulate the weight distribution, plus you cant steer with your throttle w/ awd.

whiteghoztt

03-03-2007, 10:57 AM

ah gotcha the car is pretty new to you. ive never raged anything but rwd so idk how awd handles but i would still prefer rwd over awd just cause you can manipulate the weight distribution, plus you cant steer with your throttle w/ awd.

That right there is the main reason I don't like AWD.