Blower cam...

[BlackHawk T/A]

Theoretically, if you wanted to throw on a blower on your stock LS1...wouldn't the stock cam's high LSA be best?

It seems like it would be a better blower cam than a lot of the aftermarket ones that would give more valve overlap...if I remember the stock LS1 cam has between 116-119 LSA depending on year.

Opinions?

[nhraformula]

the gt2-3 is a popular blower cam.
i believe it has a 115 lsa.

[eddierox]

Blower cams are a little bit different breed of cat than any other.
They aspirate in accordance with the % drive of the blower itself.
They function in accordance with underdriven and overdriven.
Typically, the street blower is maximum 4% overdriven as anymore would not make it streetable.
Typically flat top pistons are utilized in low compression say 8:1.
Typically longer duration and shorter lift is desired but the difference is usually nominal and depending on what kind of reliability is desired.
An overlap say at 110 LSA with short lift would be optimal as this tends to speed up the induction and waste process which blowers want to do.

[BlackHawk T/A]

I disagree...the lower LSA you have the longer the time in which both valves are open at the same time, or "overlap". This just gets your boosted air blown out the exhaust...

Now for an N/A car, the air isn't being forced into the cylinders and overlap is a good thing. But for a car under FI this is a bad thing.

I know there is more to consider but I would think you will want to stick with a higher LSA...

[nhraformula]

An overlap say at 110 LSA with short lift would be optimal as this tends to speed up the induction and waste process which blowers want to do.
:wtf: you dont have a clue.
look at all the lsa on these ls1 cars

230/236//114//+2 is the biggest I would with a stock bottom end. I made 738rwhp with one.


generally everybody goes for more exhaust then intake,

i have 214/220 .559/.566 115 Chris @ ECS said that it was an excellent blower cam, and it's really stealthy, can't even tell the car has a cam in it

I think a reversed Stealth II cam would be great for a street blower. 220/224 .581/.581 116.

A good stealth cam IMO would be a 218-222 560ish-570ish lift on a 115
the cam i chose is a custom comp. 224-230 567-591 on a 115+5. the intake is on an xe and the exhaust is on a xer.


I'd recommend this one:

LPE LS1 GT2-3 Cam - 207/220 .573/.580 117.5 CL - Excellent supercharger/turbocharged cam with a smooth idle.

We sell these for 428.99.

[eddierox]

:wtf: you dont have a clue.
look at all the lsa on these ls1 cars

You're way to pathetic to deal with.
Heres' your factory 400+ HP SLP SS you were whinig & crying about to see on the other post ..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4568264592&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

:cry:

[nhraformula]

You're way to pathetic to deal with.
Heres' your factory 400+ HP SLP SS you were whinig & crying about to see on the other post ..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4568264592&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

:cry:
i hate to tell you this, but its not a factory production slp car,

Mods include:

Intake – SLP underdrive pully, TB bypass, TSP high flow lid with Holley Powershot filter, Fast Toys Ram Air, Shaner S3 Throttle Body.

Exhaust - 1.75 inch Kook's stainless steel headers with high flow cats mated to a custom SLP "Borlamouth" to a SLP center mounted exhaust.

Engine/Valvetrain - Thunder Racing TR224 114 LSA .563/.563 camshaft, Comp Cams 26918 springs, Ti retainers, hardened pushrods, 1.7 ratio Yella Terra rockers, LS6 ported oil pump, JWIS timing chain.

Transmission/Drivetrain - Moser 12 bolt 33 spline with aluminum cover 4.10 gears, SPEC stage 3 clutch. Pro 5.0 shifter with Lou’s short stick.

almost all of that is non slp aftermarket:Owned:
keep making yourself look even worse newbie.

[mcamp001]

sounds to me that Eddie himself is really the guy he keeps referring to, the one that doesn't know what he is doing and bought a bunch of mis-matched parts, lol
:haha:

[eddierox]

i hate to tell you this, but its not a factory production slp car,
Mods include:
Intake – SLP underdrive pully, TB bypass, TSP high flow lid with Holley Powershot filter, Fast Toys Ram Air, Shaner S3 Throttle Body.
Exhaust - 1.75 inch Kook's stainless steel headers with high flow cats mated to a custom SLP "Borlamouth" to a SLP center mounted exhaust.
Engine/Valvetrain - Thunder Racing TR224 114 LSA .563/.563 camshaft, Comp Cams 26918 springs, Ti retainers, hardened pushrods, 1.7 ratio Yella Terra rockers, LS6 ported oil pump, JWIS timing chain.
Transmission/Drivetrain - Moser 12 bolt 33 spline with aluminum cover 4.10 gears, SPEC stage 3 clutch. Pro 5.0 shifter with Lou’s short stick.
almost all of that is non slp aftermarket
keep making yourself look even worse newbie.

sounds to me that Eddie himself is really the guy he keeps referring to, the one that doesn't know what he is doing and bought a bunch of mis-matched parts, lol


I just noticed you two follow around each other on the forum like mutt & jeff .. no .. frick & frack .. no .. abott & costello .. no .. the bi-polar twins .. no .. probably just some multiple personality patient ..

.. anyway ..

Take a real close peek on the left cylinder head .. you see the black plaque designating it as special edition SS SLP?
Now take a look at the SLP build sheet .. out of focus?
Look at all the additions that looks to be over $10k of SLP additions .. how many & how much are they usually?

Whichever personality I'm addressing .. wants to call the guy for the build number then call SLP on it like I did?

Hello? Anybody there?

:lmao: :nana:

[mcamp001]

get up with the times dude, ANYBODY can buy one of those head plaques with your build number on it. Your ignorance continues to amaze us :lmao:

[nhraformula]

I just noticed you two follow around each other on the forum like mutt & jeff .. no .. frick & frack .. no .. abott & costello .. no .. the bi-polar twins .. no .. probably just some multiple personality patient ..

.. anyway ..

Take a real close peek on the left cylinder head .. you see the black plaque designating it as special edition SS SLP?
Now take a look at the SLP build sheet .. out of focus?
Look at all the additions that looks to be over $10k of SLP additions .. how many & how much are they usually?

Whichever personality I'm addressing .. wants to call the guy for the build number then call SLP on it like I did?

Hello? Anybody there?

:lmao: :nana:
slp does not use thunder racings products, slp has there own.
it doesnt make good business sense to use others stuff.
while it is an SS, SLP did not do the work on that car, a tuner did.
the most powerfull car slp ever had out was the 345 h.p firehawk.
they never made anything production ls1 that made 400 h.p and thats a known fact.

[ninobrn99]

this thread is about a guy wanting to know about blower cams, not a few guys testing eachothers knowledge or attack posts....get back on topic or handle it in pm's. :D
Nino

[nhraformula]

this thread is about a guy wanting to know about blower cams, not a few guys testing eachothers knowledge or attack posts....get back on topic or handle it in pm's. :D
Nino
nino, hes giving out misinformation in a bad way, just read his posts and youll see.
hes telling this guy to get a cam with a 110 lsa. thats not for a blower.
this isnt a pissing match, its him being corrected so somebody doesnt make the mistake of following his advice.
he thinks ls1.com has been around for only 2 months and slp made 400 h.p cars off the line.
lets not forget the ls6 cam that makes 50 h.p:lmao:

[eddierox]

get up with the times dude, ANYBODY can buy one of those head plaques with your build number on it. Your ignorance continues to amaze us

slp does not use thunder racings products, slp has there own.
it doesnt make good business sense to use others stuff.
while it is an SS, SLP did not do the work on that car, a tuner did.
the most powerfull car slp ever had out was the 345 h.p firehawk.
they never made anything production ls1 that made 400 h.p and thats a known fact.

I see you're having a bi-polar spat .. you can always tell this kind of psychosis is in effect when the evidence is in their faces but they joust with it trying to find another venue thats much more compatible with the psychosis of the moment .. I mean even Rainman can fart in the phone booth .. (but notice he finds no need to make a phone call) ... how does it smell?

.. no he's fine and dandy with his diminsh'd capacity ..

:lmao: :nana: :rockon:

[nhraformula]

?
Look at all the additions that looks to be over $10k of SLP additions .. how many & how much are they usually?

:
slp does not sell tsp lids, texas speed and performance does.
thunder racing is a totally different company.
how are they slp mods??

[nhraformula]

I see you're having a bi-polar spat .. you can always tell this kind of psychosis is in effect when the evidence is in their faces but they joust with it trying to find another venue thats much more compatible with the psychosis of the moment .. I mean even Rainman can fart in the phone booth .. (but notice he finds no need to make a phone call) ... how does it smell?

.. no he's fine and dandy with his diminsh'd capacity ..

:lmao: :nana: :rockon:



how can anybody even listen to what a guy that looks like this has to say, :lmao:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/eddieroxus

[eddierox]

slp does not sell tsp lids, texas speed and performance does.
thunder racing is a totally different company.
how are they slp mods??

how can anybody even listen to what a guy that looks like this has to say,


Hey dude/dudes or whoever "it" is I'm addressing at the moment of your/it/them/they/whomever's particular psycosis ..

The car is designated/planned then built as an SS SE SLP .. are you with me?
After that who cares what done to it?
Its a bonafide SS SE SLP .. very very rare ... you're still with me? yes?

Now I know you're screaming naked ears have no other purpose in life to prove me wrong .. pick up the phone .. jeez even your lab monky physician can do this .. yes?

no?

I'm in awe of your next psyhcobabble .. or am I ?


The last time my yahoo was played out it went like this ..
OK EVERYBODY .. HERE HE IS .. READY? DRUM ROLL PLEASE .. READY?
BAMMMMM !!!!
http://profiles.yahoo.com/eddieroxus

you know what the response was .. "yes dude and ..?"

well eeee errrr awwww .. babble babble babble

:lmao: :haha: :nana:

[eddierox]

this thread is about a guy wanting to know about blower cams, not a few guys testing eachothers knowledge or attack posts....get back on topic or handle it in pm's. :D
Nino

Tomorrow I'll post up specs on my buddys 02 SS SLP .. blown, camm'd and most important .. reinforced ..

:firedevil

[ninobrn99]

please do. a list of mods, the tuning done and a graph if you got it.

[BlackHawk T/A]

Wow will the thread hijackers please show themselves the door out of my thread...thanks...

[eddierox]

please do. a list of mods, the tuning done and a graph if you got it.

Ok heres’ the lowdown.

Car: 2002 SS SLP ~ key fob, floormats & exhaust meaning an SLP muffler only.

After blowing the (Z06 retrofit for F-Body) Magnuson Supercharged stock 5.7L (as was anticipated even at 6 psi boost and at about 420-460 hp @ 4900 rpm he thinks) as well the differential also exploding …
Motor was swapped out for an SLP LQ9 (ZL402 iron block) low compression about 9:1.
Basics are Eagle rotating assembly & Ross pistons.

LS6 components complete the rest including SLP’s big radiator.

SLP AFR Head & Cam Combo ~ too much to list so see SLP.
Cam Specs:236/590 LSA:112
236/590

A4 ~Yanks PY3400E ~ Pro Yank Extreme 4L60E, Posi Lock-Up Clutch, Kevlar Linings, 3400 Stall. Etc.
Custom Steel Driveline into 10 bolt 3:42 Motive performance.
SLP adjustable torque arm installed (after explosion of stock 3:23)

All UMI suspension upgrades including front upper & lower tubular control arms.
SLP eibach & revalved Bilsteins

Z06 polished 18 x 9.5 and 10.5 (sans Goodyear now Falken due to going through rear tires very quickly)

After a 1500 mile break-in on the LQ9 he estimated a minimum 475 hp @ 6 psi boost to 5000 rpm.
Generally paranoid as would be .. the boost was increased to close to 8 psi where it is estimated the hp gain was to over 500+ hp @5500 rpm .. but then fell flat on its face.

This was attributed to running out of either cam, manifold or air induction
So an LSX 90mm system with a Vararam was installed.
This helped immensely and he was happy with an estimated (conservatively) 550 hp and about 475-lbs/ft. torque

However being the true hot rod head .. 600 to 1000 hp was the next step.

This can only be achieved and I repeat CAN ONLY BE ACHIEVED through increased aspiration so to get to 6000+ rpm .. albeit safely.

Thus the blower cam argument.

I suggested Patriots’ 232/230 - 580/580 110 LSA.
My theory was to allow for the motor to aspirate much more quickly and beyond itself as the idea was to accelerate from 0 to a feasible 200 mph free from internal motor turbulences which generate causing lag.

But he opted to swap the SLP AFR cam for Futrals FM1-RJ-111 because of its bigger numbers.
Specs: 236/239 600/611 LSA:111
This is Futral’s extremely rough idle cam good to 7200 rpm from 3500.

As of this writing the estimated HP is 600 hp @ 6000 rpm and 700hp @ 6800
.. conservatively ..

The car actually runs exceptionally smooth and you can’t really notice the loppy idle since the addition of a set of kooks, 4” custom ORY all the way back dumping off over the axle which is way to loud thus you don’t notice that the camaro is bouncing around like an over aspirated Pro Stock at idle.

My opinion after getting my hair blown back at 175 mph in about 5 seconds is that the car is in excess of 800 hp at 6000 – 65000 rpm. @ 6-8 psi.
He is happy for now but I expect that this will wane and a need for ever increasing HP & instant overwhelming g-force throttle response is next (as if it isn’t already) and my talk with him this morning confirms this.

I said its time for the 110 LSA with big rockers and big overlapping valves in the heads.

He said “ ah eddie ,, as always you’re so right .. when do we start.. “

Will keep you posted ..

[Sky042]

Blower cams are a little bit different breed of cat than any other.
They aspirate in accordance with the % drive of the blower itself.
They function in accordance with underdriven and overdriven.
Typically, the street blower is maximum 4% overdriven as anymore would not make it streetable.
Typically flat top pistons are utilized in low compression say 8:1.
Typically longer duration and shorter lift is desired but the difference is usually nominal and depending on what kind of reliability is desired.
An overlap say at 110 LSA with short lift would be optimal as this tends to speed up the induction and waste process which blowers want to do.


I'm not sure where you're getting your info but a 110LSA would be a poor choice for a FI car.

[Sky042]

I just noticed you two follow around each other on the forum like mutt & jeff .. no .. frick & frack .. no .. abott & costello .. no .. the bi-polar twins .. no .. probably just some multiple personality patient ..

.. anyway ..

Take a real close peek on the left cylinder head .. you see the black plaque designating it as special edition SS SLP?
Now take a look at the SLP build sheet .. out of focus?
Look at all the additions that looks to be over $10k of SLP additions .. how many & how much are they usually?

Whichever personality I'm addressing .. wants to call the guy for the build number then call SLP on it like I did?

Hello? Anybody there?

:lmao: :nana:

Are you saying that the car came from SLP with all those mods?
That'd be a incorrect assumption.

[Sky042]

Hey dude/dudes or whoever "it" is I'm addressing at the moment of your/it/them/they/whomever's particular psycosis ..

The car is designated/planned then built as an SS SE SLP .. are you with me?
After that who cares what done to it?
Its a bonafide SS SE SLP .. very very rare ... you're still with me? yes?

Now I know you're screaming naked ears have no other purpose in life to prove me wrong .. pick up the phone .. jeez even your lab monky physician can do this .. yes?

no?

I'm in awe of your next psyhcobabble .. or am I ?


The last time my yahoo was played out it went like this ..
OK EVERYBODY .. HERE HE IS .. READY? DRUM ROLL PLEASE .. READY?
BAMMMMM !!!!
http://profiles.yahoo.com/eddieroxus

you know what the response was .. "yes dude and ..?"

well eeee errrr awwww .. babble babble babble

:lmao: :haha: :nana:


Thanks for posting your yahoo profile.
You just reminded me that you're supposed to be banned.

[Liquifire]

how can anybody even listen to what a guy that looks like this has to say, :lmao:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/eddieroxus
wow .......that was funny roflmfao.......the eighties are dead......let it go

[Liquifire]

I'm not sure where you're getting your info but a 110LSA would be a poor choice for a FI car.
:yup: agreed............hey eddie.....sell the camaro and find some other site to misinform people on.

[ninobrn99]

blackhawk, was your question answered? or do you still need inputs? your best to go with a high lsa normal split cam. What you will have to consider is where do you want the power?? do you want a crazy amount of midrange or do you want it all topend? Ed Blown Vert went with a 222/226(something like that) 115 for his blower car.. he wanted alot of midrange and wanted to keep his boot in that area..it depends on what you want out of the car.
Nino

[Ed Blown Vert]

Someone? :p

Yes a traditional split is good for a Blower.

[ninobrn99]

Someone? :p

Yes a traditional split is good for a Blower.
:screwy:

[NA$TY-TA]

a reverse split will help even more... esp with a SC setup... most will say on a 113LSA or higher...

[Ed Blown Vert]

Hmm... I thought a reverse split was better for Turbos?

[ninobrn99]

thats what i thought :dunno: guess ive been misinformed.

[BlackHawk T/A]

Reverse split is better?

So something like a 228/220 .58x/.58x on a 116 LSA would be nice for a boosted daily driver with street manners huh?