No love on this site for 4 cyl

[jwindbigler]

Just thought that I would put up a post on this blank forum. :uzi: :shower:

[SINISTER-TA]

I'm not much for imports...but I do like the Acura TL.

[440 rwhp trans am]

i love imports for a dd. but for racing, dates, looking good in, and picking up chicks its the TRANS AM!

[SINISTER-TA]

i love imports for a dd. but for racing, dates, looking good in, and picking up chicks its the TRANS AM!

Yeah I hear ya, though...when I bought my TA, my wife got mad and said "what are you going to do now, grow a mullet?" I'll never win... :(

[hutch1999]

4cyl are good for gas milleage and turbo companys bank accounts

[jwindbigler]

4cyl are good for gas milleage and turbo companys bank accounts

Yup, because they cant make the power N/A that we can, nor can they even come close to the sexiness. DD, yeah they are cool. Other than that...T/A

[scottie dont]

my favorite thig about ricers is they say "you got more motor" thats what everbody says when they get pissed hey lose "you got more money in your motor" "you got more money in your car" no we dont. we started off with a better car and spent our money wisely. its not our fault your parents dont love you and you were probably addopted anyway. and the only way you can pimp your ride is by mowing lawns. dude. we work for our upgrades. we dont just tell our parents if they buy us these "cool " ""GO FAST"" parts kids will make fun of us. seriously yea we got more motor. yea we got an advantage. but your lack of intelliegnce is not reason for us to take it easy on you when you "pimp" your 4 door and think its bad ass you knocked off 2 seconds in the quarter mile and still run 17's. ok im done with my ranting and my quote un-quotes. and by the way. its not a race car when you get beat by a 2001 tahoe with a 5.3 4x4 with 7 people in it. cuz you cant tell me power to weight is on my side.

- Scottie dont

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

:lol: That's a good one! I don't mind the turbo 4bangers that much. They are fun to try to do stuff to, but the turbo 4's don't really get much better fuel milage anyway. My wifes over weighted Eclipse GS turd can barely get better fuel milage than my LS1 car with double the horse power and displacement!!! That's really sad...

[scottie dont]

werde. im still curiousto see what mileage i get after the mods im doin.

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

With it being as cold as it has been I've been doing only about 15-17 in the city. That one week I was down to 13, but I had a heavy foot that week! Last week I did 17.5 and my wife did 18 with her little 2.4! I was making so much fun of her for that and she doesn't get on it any where near as much as I do. :yup:

[Frankthetank]

Yeah I hear ya, though...when I bought my TA, my wife got mad and said "what are you going to do now, grow a mullet?" I'll never win... :(

lol then u go and ask her...."well u gonna grow some tits and ass?
Then mayb :D!"

HAHAHA
Wouldnt that be some shit?!?!?!?!

[ATCharming]

my gf's eclipse gets like 30 mpg. seriously she drives like an asshole, and we will drive an hour away and back and we wont notice a difference in the gas meter. (its stick also)..... but my moms cobalt that im currently driving gets horrible mpgs.... its rediculous! i floor it once for like 2 seconds and i can watch the gas meter move down like 1/8 of a tank. complete b.s. do u think something is wrong with it? (idk if all cobalts are 4cyls, but we got the base model and it is)

[Tyler_LS1]

my gf's eclipse gets like 30 mpg. seriously she drives like an asshole, and we will drive an hour away and back and we wont notice a difference in the gas meter. (its stick also)..... but my moms cobalt that im currently driving gets horrible mpgs.... its rediculous! i floor it once for like 2 seconds and i can watch the gas meter move down like 1/8 of a tank. complete b.s. do u think something is wrong with it? (idk if all cobalts are 4cyls, but we got the base model and it is)

all cobalts are 4 cyls.

[jwindbigler]

Turbo 4 cyl arent all that bad. I mean, you throw in an intercooler, and a bigger turbo, you have got some power. But lets face it, they have to force thier air in just to get the power that we can naturally. I cant wait to put forced air on my T/A.

[ATCharming]

all cobalts are 4 cyls.

thats what i thought. the gas mileage really pisses me off cuz it makes me drive like a fuckin grandma...

[Tyler_LS1]

thats what i thought. the gas mileage really pisses me off cuz it makes me drive like a fuckin grandma...



maybe there is something wrong with it?

what is the MPG?

[ATCharming]

it should be somewhere around 28ish i think?

but like i sed, when i floor it for just long enough for it to kick into overdrive then let go of the gas, the gas meter moves down almost an eighth of a tank (fast enough for u to watch it go down) how do i know what the actual mpg is?

[jwindbigler]

The Cobalt SS's are Supercharged. Are you sure that its not one of those? Also, Chevy 4 cyl havent really proven to be all that great with fuel economy.

[ATCharming]

yea its def. the base model. i think its an 05... 4-door. they dont even make an ss 4door do they? but its definitely the cheapest model they have lol. i think its still fun to drive right now, but its nice to know that not all chevy 4cyls dont get that good mpgs.... i mean that sucks, but i know that nothings wrong with my car lol

[Tyler_LS1]

Was the 05 the first year in that model?

I bet the newer ones get better gas mileage.

How long has GM been in the 4 cyl. business?

[blackSS01]

All I know, is from what I have HEARD. The 2.2 ecotec, GM motor can handle 8 sec in the quarter, on stock internals. And from what else I have HEARD, it is THE most reliable motor on the planet. Like I said, this is what I have HEARD.

[z28punk]

yea that is a great engine, but there are 2 other ecotec motors. 2.0 supercharged, and 2.4 base engine....i think

they are suposed to get up to 38 MPG.

on another note...
i remember when i was test-driving an '05 GTO M6, i was at a stop-light on a quiet highway with the salesman. an S2000 with a body kit and crappy-sounding exhaust pulls up next to me at the stop light. all the sudden he starts reving the shit out of it like he wanted to play. all i did was rev it up once. he got a scared look on his face and turned before the light turned green.
i dont think he knew what kind of car it was and thought "Oh CRAP?!!!!" i laughed so hard i missed the green light.
stupid expensive 4-banger

[jwindbigler]

:lmao:

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

When I had a S2000 I wanted to run a fbody, but never had the chance. I know it wouldn't have been pretty from a hole, but from about 40 They wouldn't do to bad until about 90.

[jwindbigler]

I had a green and blue cavalier once upon a time...it wasnt an ecotec, but I blew 2 engines and 3 head gaskets in that thing. Not very reliable if you ask me

[jwindbigler]

This is what I used to drive...then I got smart

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p111/jwindbigler/FH000021.jpg

[jwindbigler]

Yes that is a snowboard in the seat too

[z28punk]

its ok we all make mistakes....:sillyme:

[jwindbigler]

Yeah...my only mistake was that it was a cavalier...but it was a pretty good looking cavalier

[jwindbigler]

you know...for a cavalier

[Wesman]

Turbo 4 cyl arent all that bad. I mean, you throw in an intercooler, and a bigger turbo, you have got some power. But lets face it, they have to force thier air in just to get the power that we can naturally. I cant wait to put forced air on my T/A.

Yea, sure you can make power with forced induction no matter how small the motor is.

But whats the point?? Its still going to sound like complete shit, won't get any better fuel economy than a larger engine making the same power, and it will never have the power band of a larger engine. Meaning no low end torque, and the always present turbo lag. Seems pointless to me.

Don't tell the ricers that though, they get all pissed when you diss their weewacker 4 bangers :ughlaugh:

[jwindbigler]

Yeah they do. Its still funny to hear the weedwacker then the wastegate from it. They think that they are hot shit...and we just own em

[Wesman]

yea that is a great engine, but there are 2 other ecotec motors. 2.0 supercharged, and 2.4 base engine....i think

they are suposed to get up to 38 MPG.

on another note...
i remember when i was test-driving an '05 GTO M6, i was at a stop-light on a quiet highway with the salesman. an S2000 with a body kit and crappy-sounding exhaust pulls up next to me at the stop light. all the sudden he starts reving the shit out of it like he wanted to play. all i did was rev it up once. he got a scared look on his face and turned before the light turned green.
i dont think he knew what kind of car it was and thought "Oh CRAP?!!!!" i laughed so hard i missed the green light.
stupid expensive 4-banger


Good story bro.

I got a similar one actually. When I went to check out my car for the first time to see if I wanted to buy it, the previous owner took me for a test drive on the highway. This was way out in PA.

We get on the highway, and he says "what you you want me to do?" "I can show you what the cars got, just tell me and I'll show ya, I don't care". So I'm like ok cool, and next thing you know he just pins the throttle and starts poundin through the gears in the fast lane. I watch the speedo fly past 140MPH, and then he let off and costs back down to around 80MPH. As we're slowing down, we pass an Evo thats flying in the middle lane, apparently he was going to try and keep us behind him, nice try. So we coast past him as we're slowing down, and both of us look over at this guy like "want to go?", so he looks over as us, gets this confused look on his face, and immediately shoots accross 2 lanes of traffic and gets off the next exit. I thought it was pretty funny myself, but it would have been better if he had tried to run us and got raped :thumbup:

And of course, after all this, I bought the car :)

[HurstOlds]

how do i know what the actual mpg is?

Use your tripmeter. Reset it when you fill up with gas. Next time you fill up with gas, divide what's on the trip meter by the gallons of gas you put in. Make sure you fill the car all the way up both times.

But I guess most new cars come with built in mpg calculators in the car, not sure if yours does.

[juiced99ws6]

bought a Ford Escort 2 weeks ago filled it up once after getting it home and its still got a quarter tank left! awesome gas mileage. only costs 20 bucks to fill it from empty and I can drive it everyday as much as the T/A and fill it once to every 3 times I would fill the T/a and it costs less to fill.

[yellowv]

I will take a V8 any day but you guys have to admit some of the turbo 4 bangers could hand us our ass. I just drove an SRT-4 a few weeks back that was making 480whp. It had an AGP GT40 turbo package and all the supporting mods and it was FAST. 4 cylinder or 8 that thing was fast.

[jwindbigler]

But its not sexy. It was a neon. I piece of shit neon. They could be pushing 1000hp for all I care. Its still a piece of shit. Becuase its a neon. Nothing today compares with the sexiness of a firebird

[Wesman]

But its not sexy. It was a neon. I piece of shit neon. They could be pushing 1000hp for all I care. Its still a piece of shit. Becuase its a neon. Nothing today compares with the sexiness of a firebird

Exacty. And how long do you reckon a 4 banger is going to last pushing 480WHP?? Thats a ton of boost, that motor will probably be junk in a few thousand miles.

Not to mention its still FWD (no traction, torque steer) and it sounds pretty crappy. Not as bad as those tiny Jap motors, but still pretty bad.

[jwindbigler]

Amen to that

[z28punk]

and they dont have the legendary history behind their name. when u say camaro, firebird or GTO no matter who you talk to, they recognise the power and they know its a muscle car.

Go tell a hot chick u have an SRT-4 she will say "whats that?" you will show her and she will say "OH its a NEON!!!"

[jwindbigler]

and they dont have the legendary history behind their name. when u say camaro, firebird or GTO no matter who you talk to, they recognise the power and they know its a muscle car.

Go tell a hot chick u have an SRT-4 she will say "whats that?" you will show her and she will say "OH its a NEON!!!"

Yeah no shit. Those guys are so full of :shitstorm:

[Lakewood]

Imports suck ass so much, you could put over $50,000 into any 4cyl and I bet a bolt on LT1 Fbody will beat it. American pride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jwindbigler]

Well...I was young and dumb. Besides, the 3800 series F-body would have and did toast mine. It was literally all show. Cold air intake and exhaust. A4. Stock engine with 120HP. With the mods maybe 130-140 Wheel HP but thats it.

[Full Race Javier]

i enjoy driving both imports and domestics. i turbo them all...regardless of # of cyl #s or engine size lol.

[yellowv]

i enjoy driving both imports and domestics. i turbo them all...regardless of # of cyl #s or engine size lol.

Ah an SR20 guy. Now there is a crappy four cylinder POS if I ever saw one.



J/K it amazes me how many guys here can bash on imports and 4 cylinders and not know a damn thing about them. Funny thing is an SR20DET can make and handle just as much power on it's stock 4 cylinder bottom end as our mighty LS1's can. And for the guys that need their car to do so I would bet a well done S15 240SX with Sylvia Conversion will pull more ass than a Trans Am or Camaro especially considering most 18-25 year old hotties equate an F-Body with a mullet and beer belly these days. Ever see the chicks at Hot Import Nights?

[hutch1999]

And for the guys that need their car to do so I would bet a well done S15 240SX with Sylvia Conversion will pull more ass than a Trans Am or Camaro especially considering most 18-25 year old hotties equate an F-Body with a mullet and beer belly these days.

Lol I dont know bout that, my car "pulls more ass" than my buddies nice looking 1996 240sx. Girls love t-tops.

[Wesman]

Ah an SR20 guy. Now there is a crappy four cylinder POS if I ever saw one.



J/K it amazes me how many guys here can bash on imports and 4 cylinders and not know a damn thing about them. Funny thing is an SR20DET can make and handle just as much power on it's stock 4 cylinder bottom end as our mighty LS1's can. And for the guys that need their car to do so I would bet a well done S15 240SX with Sylvia Conversion will pull more ass than a Trans Am or Camaro especially considering most 18-25 year old hotties equate an F-Body with a mullet and beer belly these days. Ever see the chicks at Hot Import Nights?

It amazes me how people like yourself think that just because an engine "can handle a lot of power" that everyone should like it. Its a tiny 4 cylinder - its always going to sound like crap, its never going to have the powerband of a V8, and uses just as much fuel as a V8 HP for HP, and there's always the neverending turbo lag.

Its so great, you say, because it can handle the same amount of power on the bottom end as an LS1. What difference does that make?? Why would anyone with any taste in cars want to build up one of those little riceburner motors instead of a V8?? There is no point, no advantages, no nothing. Its just plain pointless.

I love how you also think that chicks like imports. Maybe you live in the F&F, but that isn't true at all. My friends (who are girls) laugh at ricers, meaning just about all Japanese "performance" cars. I take them for a ride in the T/A, and they love it. I point out an Evo, and they're like "what happened to that car"?? I tell them its stock, and they just laugh because they can't understand why anyone would want a car that ugly, crappy, and that horrible sounding.

And I've never heard anyone (besides some ricers on this and other forums) claim that 4th gen F-Bodies are "Mullet" or "beer belly" cars. Just about all late 90's/00+ F-Bodys and Mustangs are driven by 18-30 year old guys that are into Muscle cars. Not some trailer trash person like you claim, they are the ones with the 85 Camaro RS 4 cylinder with the holes in the flooboards. Big difference, next time you see a 4th gen look at the driver, I guarentee that he won't have a mullet :rolleyes:

[Lakewood]

Damn if you need a car to get ass you suck at girls, but on the other hand they love the rumble of a V8 on their ass.

[z28punk]

Damn if you need a car to get ass you suck at girls
true, but its always fun to get looks, and to be heard from a block or more away.

[juiced99ws6]

not bashing on 4 bangers really but if you wanna say you can pull more ass in a four banger then take a really nice looking 240 like you said and roll through any parking lot reight behind a cammed LS1 with headers and cutouts.. see who gets more looks.

[Full Race Javier]

Its so great, you say, because it can handle the same amount of power on the bottom end as an LS1. What difference does that make?? Why would anyone with any taste in cars want to build up one of those little riceburner motors instead of a V8?? There is no point, no advantages, no nothing. Its just plain pointless.



simple...it is quite easy produce a large power/mass ratio in a fwd "economy" car :D

everybody has different tastes...different strokes for different folks.

[jwindbigler]

not bashing on 4 bangers really but if you wanna say you can pull more ass in a four banger then take a really nice looking 240 like you said and roll through any parking lot reight behind a cammed LS1 with headers and cutouts.. see who gets more looks.

The sexier car. The one that rumbles. Forget those import pieces of shit. They think that they are so big and bad runnin 15 pounds of boost. If you think about it...what happens when we put 15 pounds of boost behind our engines....well wait, what happens when we run 8 pounds. Half of what they have. We are at 450-500RWHP. What do they have. Maybe 300WHP. But at the end of the day its still a weedwacker that has 15 pounds of boost going to it. No sexiness at all.

[Lakewood]

Hot girls don't give a shit about cars usaully. I could drive an import instead of my loud ass black LT1 Z28 and get the same girls..

[Lakewood]

I think the reason why people mod imports is because its either all they got, or its cheaper for them. My neighbor built his low 12 second honda Crx for $8000, then again it looks/sounds like shit and I would no trust it to go on long trips.

[hutch1999]

Hot girls don't give a shit about cars usaully. I could drive an import instead of my loud ass black LT1 Z28 and get the same girls..

yea ok. most girls know nice cars, and most wouldt want to be caught dead in something like this
http://metricmind.com/dc_honda/car.jpg

[hutch1999]

All I am saying is pull up to a parking lot full of youg girls and see which one will get more attention. That one ^^^ or this one

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i234/bighink/WS6/sigpicws6.jpg

They car is only the bait you still have to be able to talk to them

[Lakewood]

I really don't see what your saying. Not to brag or anything but if your good looking like me you could drive a geo metro and still get hot girls.I like being able to use my looks and my personality to get them instead of trying to buy them like some people do.

[hutch1999]

im saying i dont care if your brad pitt if you roll up to a local hang out in a geo metro no one would give two shits, you roll up in a nice looking car you get people talking

[Lakewood]

im saying i dont care if your brad pitt if you roll up to a local hang out in a geo metro no one would give two shits, you roll up in a nice looking car you get people talking

Oh I agree with that

[Mjolnir]

I would have to agree with everything either they spend 30k on the car or i hate the guys that have the 92 honda crx with the b20 (crv motor) swap the cars gutted nothing in it, they only have 1 seat and turbo it and there like "haha i spent 12k and i have a 12 second car". I could give a crap less, that thing is so f***ing ugly and hidious. And they use those as there daily drivers. Across from my shop is a place that does import work. they put 50k into a honda and brag about the 500 hp and 10 seconds. Im like hows the torque? hehehe. Idiots. Honestly If you put that much money into a v8, jesus...

[Wesman]

I would have to agree with everything either they spend 30k on the car or i hate the guys that have the 92 honda crx with the b20 (crv motor) swap the cars gutted nothing in it, they only have 1 seat and turbo it and there like "haha i spent 12k and i have a 12 second car". I could give a crap less, that thing is so f***ing ugly and hidious. And they use those as there daily drivers. Across from my shop is a place that does import work. they put 50k into a honda and brag about the 500 hp and 10 seconds. Im like hows the torque? hehehe. Idiots. Honestly If you put that much money into a v8, jesus...

Thats the kind of stuff that people do in the town that I work in. They are always modding Honda and imports in general - but especially Honda. b16 this and k20 that, I couldn't care less. Its a damn economy car with a gutless 4 cylinder, they dump all this money into them, and then sell it for 1/4 of the money that they dumped into it and do it again with another Honda :rolleyes:

[Secret Formula]

Almost all the kids I hang out with still buy 4 and 6 cylinder cars, most of wich would take thousands of dollars (that they dont have) to make them even close to performing to their full potential. I moved on to bigger and better things. I used to be just like them, but ive learned my lesson.This time around I bought a car with raw power right out of the box. Now whenever I see them I cant help but get this feeling like "man, what is with these kids, they know what are good cars and what arent, high school is over, why do they still go for these little slow pieces of crap?"

[cho]

Well I don't drive a V8 but I do agree that theres no replacement for displacement..
Everyone's guess on how much it would take to make a 4banger fast is really off, in my opinion. My friends in hs used to build 11 sec NA Type R motors that would get your car with full weight across the line for less than 50k. More like 8-9k. And if no one bought 4bangers, your cars wouldn't be considered as cool and fast. Anything could be made fast but max potential always goes to more displacement(except for the rotary engines). Thanks for reading my post and:nite:

[Wesman]

Well I don't drive a V8 but I do agree that theres no replacement for displacement..
Everyone's guess on how much it would take to make a 4banger fast is really off, in my opinion. My friends in hs used to build 11 sec NA Type R motors that would get your car with full weight across the line for less than 50k. More like 8-9k. And if no one bought 4bangers, your cars wouldn't be considered as cool and fast. Anything could be made fast but max potential always goes to more displacement(except for the rotary engines). Thanks for reading my post and:nite:

11 second type R motors for 8-9K?? Thats a joke buddy, not going to happen.

There was a kid on LS1Tech, with a gutted Integra running something like high 10's, and he had almost $30 Grand invested in the car. Its not cheap to make one of those cars fast.

[cho]

11 second type R motors for 8-9K?? Thats a joke buddy, not going to happen.

There was a kid on LS1Tech, with a gutted Integra running something like high 10's, and he had almost $30 Grand invested in the car. Its not cheap to make one of those cars fast.

Actually one of our church friends had bought a motor and put it into his 94 Honda Civic hatchback with full interior and weight reduced wheels, cf hood and spoiler and ran a 11.8 at Sacramento Raceway. I don't know how but it did. Theres honestly no way I can prove this seeing how I graduated hs a few years back and don't keep in touch with all those people anymore. So I guess Wesman 1 cho 0. Funny this is, the last I heard of Mr. Honda is that he sold his Type R and bought a 06 Vette.

[Mjolnir]

Funny this is, the last I heard of Mr. Honda is that he sold his Type R and bought a 06 Vette.

ZING!

[Cloud9]

DSM otherwise known as eclipse, talon, ect... a good friend spent 2 thousand in mods and runs 12.8!!!! had the car for almost 3 years now and all that ever goes wrong is the transfer case. you cant beat that for the price.

[Wesman]

DSM otherwise known as eclipse, talon, ect... a good friend spent 2 thousand in mods and runs 12.8!!!! had the car for almost 3 years now and all that ever goes wrong is the transfer case. you cant beat that for the price.

Only the transfer case?? Oh yea, those are cheap man!! I mean who wouldn't want a car that needs a new transfer case every time you go to the track?? :rolleyes:

DSM's are garbage my friend, don't be fooled.

[Cloud9]

he has put 2 in, and considering its daily driven and driven hard thats not bad. If he had the money im sure he could beef it up some and have even less problems. Im not saying i would own one, but im saying small turbo cars give more bang for the buck.

[Mjolnir]

simple...it is quite easy produce a large power/mass ratio in a fwd "economy" car :D

everybody has different tastes...different strokes for different folks.

I agree, I dont have a problem with import cars i just cant stand people who put an exhaust and a cold air intake and some body kit and think they have a hot rod. Say you do work at full race? I work right across the street at A.E.P. (Cop car place)

[Wesman]

he has put 2 in, and considering its daily driven and driven hard thats not bad. If he had the money im sure he could beef it up some and have even less problems. Im not saying i would own one, but im saying small turbo cars give more bang for the buck.

I don't agree with that at all. N/A V8 platforms are some of the cheapest and easiest cars to make fast, when you start with less power and lighter duty components like a small 4 banger import, you need to upgrade everything in order to avoid having it blow up on you.

[hutch1999]

A beat up(body wise), 1993-1994, LT1 camaro pick one up for $2000-2500 put $2000 in mods and there you go a 12 sec car depending on mods. Thats Cheap

[jwindbigler]

Or even better, get an 82-92 350, and put the same $$ into it. Still be pretty damn fast. Plus you will have that redneck look too!! :rockon:

[hutch1999]

Or even better, get an 82-92 350, and put the same $$ into it. Still be pretty damn fast. Plus you will have that redneck look too!! :rockon:

lol car craft built up a 3rd gen formula with bolt ons and nitrous and it ran 12s

[jwindbigler]

Yeah buddy. Thats what I'm talking about. Nothing spells redneck like an 80's T/A and Camaro.

[Wesman]

Yeah buddy. Thats what I'm talking about. Nothing spells redneck like an 80's T/A and Camaro.

Side affects of buying a 3rd gen often include redneck activity and mullets.

Hey it just comes with the car :thumbup:

Actually I remember reading an article online from something like Car Craft or Chevy High Performance; they built up an old 305 that dyno'd at like 150WHP stock, put on a heads and cam package along with a few other things, and it put down 372WHP. Pretty impressive IMO, since everyone is always doggin' the 305.

[Street Lethal]

Or even better, get an 82-92 350, and put the same $$ into it. Still be pretty damn fast....

Take that very same Third Generation F-Body 350, add some Scoggin-Dickey SB2 heads, custom camshaft (tuned correctly, w/the right intake and carb), and you'll have a guaranteed 600+ horsepower engine. The only downfall though, is the price of those heads... ;)

[jwindbigler]

Yeah, but you get what you pay for. One retardedly fast car that has white trash written all over it.

[Wesman]

Yeah, but you get what you pay for. One retardedly fast car that has white trash written all over it.

3rd gens that make people think "white trash" are the poorly maintained one with the clearcoat peeling off and the shitty V6 style wheels. Those are the most common ones that you see around.

If you've ever seen a mint condition 3rd gen Trans Am, glassy black paint with tints and everything blacked out, with chrome bullet wheels and a nice exhaust rumble, you wouldn't think "white trash". You'd think "nice car".

[jwindbigler]

Well no shit sherlock. Thank you master-of-the-obvious. On a serious note, they can be nice cars. But I would prefer to have 600HP under the hood, and have the clearcoat peeling off. A true sleeper. You can get one of these punk kids to mess with you...you leave them in the dust...with a "piece of shit"

[Mjolnir]

haha i love it how ricers have no idea what a grand national is. It looks like an old geezer car. My friend has one with no badges and while wall wheels its rediculus haha

[Street Lethal]

Yeah, but you get what you pay for. One retardedly fast car that has white trash written all over it.

Well now, that honestly depends on what one actually considers white trash to look like. I personally don't consider the Z28 attatched to depict such a concept.... ;)

http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?bg=000000&image=http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/580000-580999/580439_136_full.jpg

[ATCharming]

Well now, that honestly depends on what one actually considers white trash to look like. I personally don't consider the Z28 attatched to depict such a concept.... ;)

http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?bg=000000&image=http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/580000-580999/580439_136_full.jpg

sexy as hell! thats so awesome seeing a third gen with an SS hood, and it looking good

[Wesman]

Well now, that honestly depends on what one actually considers white trash to look like. I personally don't consider the Z28 attatched to depict such a concept.... ;)

http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?bg=000000&image=http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/580000-580999/580439_136_full.jpg

^^^ Thats what I'm talking about, damn nice car.

[Street Lethal]

Look closely guys, something very trick about that car, is the 1981 Camaro Z28 fender louvers adapted onto its fenders. Very sweet addition to it. The car won quite a few awards...

http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?bg=000000&image=http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/580000-580999/580439_135_full.jpg

[mrr23]

hey now, i used to own a 3rd gen
http://www.fla-thirdgen.org/mrr23

[Street Lethal]

hey now, i used to own a 3rd gen
http://www.fla-thirdgen.org/mrr23

Oh my goodness, I had no idea that you were 'mrr23' Robert. I haven't been on stealthram.com in quite some time. You got rid of your '86...? Are you freaking serious? You were in the elevens with her, no...?

[mrr23]

Oh my goodness, I had no idea that you were 'mrr23' Robert. I haven't been on stealthram.com in quite some time. You got rid of your '86...? Are you freaking serious? You were in the elevens with her, no...?

i go by mrr23 everywhere else but stealthram.com. when i started that board, i used rhinton as the admin name. stealthram is still up and running right along.

yeah got rid of it about 2 years ago. best before the 383 was 12.14. i got disgusted when i was dyno tuning the 383 and right on the next run it sounded like a spun a rod. so, after 4 years of having that car, i threw my hands up and washed my self of it. started parting the car out. went to sell the motor and found out a TB blade screw fell into the #4 cylinder right as i started the motor. for about $200.00, i would've had it back up and running. oh well. it was time to move on. i had a fun time with the car.

[Street Lethal]

I just visited the site. My goodness, it's been so long that I had to log myself in (didn't remember me lol). I miss my old Third Generation too. However, I don't miss bothering Vader every freaking second of the day. Freaking prehistoric MAF designs, and the infamous "Code 33" / "Code 34" lol...

At least we both stood F-Body. Tim (Traxion) went with an STI afew years back, and never looked back. His Iroc was another one of my favorites next to yours, as very few reached 11's on motor. A lot of the old DIY'ers as well, many are missing in action...

I suddenly feel very at home here now... :)

[maxpit]

But its not sexy. It was a neon. I piece of shit neon. They could be pushing 1000hp for all I care. Its still a piece of shit. Becuase its a neon. Nothing today compares with the sexiness of a firebird

I'd take the thousand hp car...

[maxpit]

I dont understand how u can compare say a civic or accord to a(n) fbody. they're not in the same class. im jus glad gm finally put out a car that is in that class and i think is superior in every aspect: looks, power, comfortable.
i talk about the cobalt SS/SC. I think it was stupid that they made 2 versions of the SS, one supercharged 2.0L and the other NA 2.4L. i had a 2006 SS/Sc and it was alot of fun. If i had the money i'd own both camaro and cobalt. i loved that blower sound. your guys are right about the mpg though. If i wasnt taking it easy all the time I was looking at 21-24mpgs but if i was easy it i could punch out 38+ highway, 31 city. But that wasnt stock. i had a few mods done, gm stage 1(tune, 42lb injectors), 2.8 inch pulley, gm smaller belt, gm sport cat back, gm extrudehoned exhuast manifold, spec stg 3 clutch, fidanza aluminum flywheel, torque brace(keeps engine from moving so damn much), gm cross drilled/slotted rotors, hawk performance pads, and of course CAI. Man come to think of it i spent alot of money jus to barely have a car lenght on my ex's 2000 z28 A4 with an exhuast. But it was fun to see the faces of those I beat. i know ultimately that it cannot substitute for raw ls1 power, but i had alot of fun in that car. I didnt f@#k with V8 much but when i did it was usually a mustang or lighting. Usual kills were S2000's, M3's(99 style), wrx's, 350z's/g35's, but it usually had to be fro a roll, but it was a bitch to grab traction off the line.

[Wesman]

I dont understand how u can compare say a civic or accord to a(n) fbody. they're not in the same class. im jus glad gm finally put out a car that is in that class and i think is superior in every aspect: looks, power, comfortable.
i talk about the cobalt SS/SC. I think it was stupid that they made 2 versions of the SS, one supercharged 2.0L and the other NA 2.4L. i had a 2006 SS/Sc and it was alot of fun. If i had the money i'd own both camaro and cobalt. i loved that blower sound. your guys are right about the mpg though. If i wasnt taking it easy all the time I was looking at 21-24mpgs but if i was easy it i could punch out 38+ highway, 31 city. But that wasnt stock. i had a few mods done, gm stage 1(tune, 42lb injectors), 2.8 inch pulley, gm smaller belt, gm sport cat back, gm extrudehoned exhuast manifold, spec stg 3 clutch, fidanza aluminum flywheel, torque brace(keeps engine from moving so damn much), gm cross drilled/slotted rotors, hawk performance pads, and of course CAI. Man come to think of it i spent alot of money jus to barely have a car lenght on my ex's 2000 z28 A4 with an exhuast. But it was fun to see the faces of those I beat. i know ultimately that it cannot substitute for raw ls1 power, but i had alot of fun in that car. I didnt f@#k with V8 much but when i did it was usually a mustang or lighting. Usual kills were S2000's, M3's(99 style), wrx's, 350z's/g35's, but it usually had to be fro a roll, but it was a bitch to grab traction off the line.


Those Cobalt SS S/C's are fun cars. They are quick stock, and with some mods you can make them pretty fast. I would love to have one as a secondary car to my Trans Am, just to run around in, since its much smaller and gets better fuel economy.

I would definitely de-wing the car though, I've seen them without the STI inspired ricer wing on the back, and they are damn clean looking.

Now I wouldn't tade my T/A for one, but just the same, they are cool little cars.

[maxpit]

Same here, wouldnt trade mZ28. I have it as a daily driver and save the z for the weekend. Your right about stock power. Took mine to JBA racing, cobalt put down 231whp 206ft tq. After the mods it had 250whp and 256ft tq. Definately fun to drive, great daily driver.

[ATCharming]

even the base model cobalt is pretty quick. my moms got one, and i drive it once and a while and if i manually shift it (its auto), from a 20 roll it pulls all the way to 115... thats just as fast as ive gotten it too.

[Lakewood]

A beat up(body wise), 1993-1994, LT1 camaro pick one up for $2000-2500 put $2000 in mods and there you go a 12 sec car depending on mods. Thats Cheap

Man I wish this were true, you must not live on the same planet as me.

[hutch1999]

Maybe you should learn to spend your money more wiselyif all that you care about is speed. A beat high mileage Lt1 f-bod can be found for that price. They dont look pretty by any means but there around. My cousin's BF has a high millege 93 camaro a4 wrecked rear quater and carcked nose cone that he would take 2500 dollars cash for and it comes with nitrous. Just open your eyes wider and expand your mind. That car is a 13 second car how it sets, throw some 3.73 gears and DRs and theres a 12 second car for around 3000 bucks.

[Lakewood]

Sorry but $2000 wont get an LT1 into the 12s, I own one I should know.

[hutch1999]

I said NITROUS with a 125 shot of nitrous and the right supporting mods you can get into the 12s for around $2000

1. Wieght reduction: free

2. Nitrous: $500

3. 3.73 or 4.10 Gears: $150

4. 16 inch drag radials: $500

4. Catback exhaust: $500

5. cheap ebay CAI: $50

6. Custom tune by PCMforless: $200

TOTAL: $1900 bucks

[jwindbigler]

Or just go heads $1300, and cam $355, with a tune, and you should be stitting around 400-450HP too

[Lakewood]

Or just go heads $1300, and cam $355, with a tune, and you should be stitting around 400-450HP too

This is an LT1 we are talking about, then again im over 320hp and 340 Tq now with just bolt ons and I spent nearly nothing. I also have a 100 shot so I wonder if I would break 13s. Im on street tire.