short throw shifter

[ban-one]

i was looking into getting a short throw shifter cause they just feel so much better. i have been looking at a hurst the chrome one with the black ball but i have recently heard that slp makes a shifter that feels better than the hurst and i cant find it on the net. just wondering if any one has a hurst or slp and or if the have noticed a difference in the two?

thanks

[Wesman]

If you want an excellent, high quality shifter, go with the Pro 5.0. I have one on my car, and its awesome. Its got a much shorter stick than the stock unit, much shorter throw, and a very direct feel. Its also got built in bump stops, to prevent damage to the trans due to overextention of the shift forks. I've never used a shifter that offers a more direct/connected feel, on any vehicle.

I wouldn't go with SLP or Hurst, I had a factory Hurst "Short Throw" on my car when I got it, and it was complete garbage compared to the Pro. It was hard to grab 3rd, it had a long throw, and the rubber bushing in the handle made it extremely imprecise.

I've heard the B&M shifter is good too, but I still say go with the Pro 5.0.

[ban-one]

i didnt know slp ever made a shifter but i have heard its the best shifter for the t-56.

[sgt0704]

i was wondering what would be better as well. i seen the hurst is about $40 cheaper than the B&M. i had a B&M in my thirdgen, and i loved it. but i don't know what the diff would be from a hurst, since i've never had one.

[KageSS]

i was looking into getting a short throw shifter cause they just feel so much better. i have been looking at a hurst the chrome one with the black ball but i have recently heard that slp makes a shifter that feels better than the hurst and i cant find it on the net. just wondering if any one has a hurst or slp and or if the have noticed a difference in the two?

thanks

Pro 5.0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No ifs, ands, or butts about it. lol

[Wesman]

Pro 5.0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No ifs, ands, or butts about it. lol

Exactly like I said. The Hurst is garbage, and I've never heard anything about the SLP unit, so I doubt its very popular or any better than a Hurst.

[GottaHaveLS1]

I have had the SLP short throw for over a year now and i am very pleased with it. I got it with the ws6store short stick and hurst nob. Easy install as well. It feels much more direct and makes driving the car so much more fun! :nana:

[9T8W66]

Most people that refer to the Hurst's as garbage are talking about the factory Hurst which uses the same isolated stick as the stock shifters.
The Aftermarket Hurst Shifters are better and have positve stops like the others. I have a Hurst Billet plus with a Lou's Short Stick and it is a quality piece. And Hurst has been around longer than anyone else.

[ban-one]

thats what i thought but i wasnt sure thanks to every one though for the help

[9t8z28]

Most people that refer to the Hurst's as garbage are talking about the factory Hurst which uses the same isolated stick as the stock shifters.
The Aftermarket Hurst Shifters are better and have positve stops like the others. I have a Hurst Billet plus with a Lou's Short Stick and it is a quality piece. And Hurst has been around longer than anyone else.

I 2nd that!!! To many people over look the factory shifter and compare it to the Billit PLUS. I had BOTH: HURST BILLIT PLUS & PRO 5.0. They both were awesome. I chose the PRO 5.0 because of the looks. I didn't want the chrome handle so I sold it.

[blue02Z]

:gotpics:

[ban-one]

:gotpics:

not really the thread is more about me finding out if people are satisfied with the feel of their aftermarket shifter.

[9t8z28]

Here ya go! I got nothin better to do!
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o89/9t8z28/s1.jpg

[TARZAN]

I'm happy with my Hurst Gold and WS6 store short stick...

-Will

[01Z28M6]

I have the pro 5.0 now but for me, the short stick on my factory shifter was all I needed. here's what I got, and really liked for just $20...

http://i14.tinypic.com/4if9zsg.jpg

[Wesman]

I have the pro 5.0 now but for me, the short stick on my factory shifter was all I needed. here's what I got, and really liked for just $20...

http://i14.tinypic.com/4if9zsg.jpg

Where did you order that from??

I just got a short stick from WS6 store for $25 with free shipping, I'm liking it so far :yup:

[KageSS]

I have the pro 5.0 now but for me, the short stick on my factory shifter was all I needed. here's what I got, and really liked for just $20...

http://i14.tinypic.com/4if9zsg.jpg

Sorry bro, but dat's a no brand name ebay junk right there. IMPO

[9t8z28]

Every car should be upgraded to an aftermarket shifter with adjustable stops. The handle should be the least of your worries.

[blue02Z]

not really the thread is more about me finding out if people are satisfied with the feel of their aftermarket shifter.

thanks for letting me know that

[blue02Z]

Here ya go! I got nothin better to do!
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o89/9t8z28/s1.jpg

nice, i'll proly get a pro 5.0 soon

[Wesman]

Every car should be upgraded to an aftermarket shifter with adjustable stops. The handle should be the least of your worries.

Very good point. Just changing the handle on the stock shifter isn't going to be a huge difference in shift feel, throw, or performance. Plus you don't get the huge benefits of having stop bolts, which prevent overextension of the shift forks in the trans.

Best combo is a Pro 5.0 with a short stick, thats my combo :yup:

[01Z28M6]

For those who may not know, there are hard stops within the transmission to prevent overextention. The stops on the aftermarket shifters are superfluous.

[9t8z28]

For those who may not know, there are hard stops within the transmission to prevent overextention. The stops on the aftermarket shifters are superfluous.

You are still putting stress on those components inside the transmission. Why else would they put adjustable stops on the shifter?

If our transmission were equiped with better shifters from the factory, some of these trannys wouldn't have problems like they do.

[Wesman]

For those who may not know, there are hard stops within the transmission to prevent overextention. The stops on the aftermarket shifters are superfluous.

Ahh, we've heard this before, but then how do people on here end up with bent internal shift forks?? Surely the internal hard stops must prevent this??

Unfortunately they do not, which is the reason an aftermarket shifter with adjustable stops is a good investment.

[30thbird]

Wesman,
That may be a true statement if you believe that it is the shifting into gear that bends/ damages forks. It is not true. What damages forks is mis-shifting. Shifting with a mis-timed clutch engagement or simply not using the clutch at all. That will produce a clash, or rejection of the sleeve from the gear. It is that rejection force that damages forks. Your "good investment" stops will do absolutely nothing to address this except make your wallet lighter. If you had done correct research before you spoke ( seems you have an ongoing problem with that) you will find that there are many on here with damaged forks AND stops on the shifter.Also you would find that many of those with the damaged forks also have severely damaged clutch teeth on the gears.Aftermarket shifters have adjustable stops for marketing:because people like you sell them for them.There is good news though. Properly adjusted( thats a big if too) stops do nothing. That means they will do no harm.

[9t8z28]

Wesman,
That may be a true statement if you believe that it is the shifting into gear that bends/ damages forks. It is not true. What damages forks is mis-shifting. Shifting with a mis-timed clutch engagement or simply not using the clutch at all. That will produce a clash, or rejection of the sleeve from the gear. It is that rejection force that damages forks. Your "good investment" stops will do absolutely nothing to address this except make your wallet lighter. If you had done correct research before you spoke ( seems you have an ongoing problem with that) you will find that there are many on here with damaged forks AND stops on the shifter.Also you would find that many of those with the damaged forks also have severely damaged clutch teeth on the gears.Aftermarket shifters have adjustable stops for marketing:because people like you sell them for them.There is good news though. Properly adjusted( thats a big if too) stops do nothing. That means they will do no harm.

If you ever adjusted the stops on the shifter, you would no why they are necessary! The shifter only needs to be in the position where it is in gear. Anything over that is unnecessary, and in return will bend the shift forks.

"It is that rejection force that damages forks." {Your statement.) The same is so when you over shift causing wear of more than just the shift fork

[30thbird]

9t,
I am not going to argue with those that do not reqally get it, although they think they do. I have seen the damage( as I satated above)and fully understand all the dynamics of the shift linkage your statement only supports that you do not.Spend your money and enjoy your plecebo.

[9t8z28]

See ya

[Wesman]

Wesman,
That may be a true statement if you believe that it is the shifting into gear that bends/ damages forks. It is not true. What damages forks is mis-shifting. Shifting with a mis-timed clutch engagement or simply not using the clutch at all. That will produce a clash, or rejection of the sleeve from the gear. It is that rejection force that damages forks. Your "good investment" stops will do absolutely nothing to address this except make your wallet lighter. If you had done correct research before you spoke ( seems you have an ongoing problem with that) you will find that there are many on here with damaged forks AND stops on the shifter.Also you would find that many of those with the damaged forks also have severely damaged clutch teeth on the gears.Aftermarket shifters have adjustable stops for marketing:because people like you sell them for them.There is good news though. Properly adjusted( thats a big if too) stops do nothing. That means they will do no harm.

Well aparently it seems that you know everything. Too bad, because it is entirely possible to bend the shift forks from shift overextension. Yes, they can be bent from mis-shifts, but they can also become bent from shift fork overextension.

The stop bolts are there as a preventitive measure against bending a shift fork due to overextension. If they were useless, the manufacturers wouldn't waste their time implementing them into their shifters. When I'm pounding through the gears at the track, its nice to have a positive stop at the end of each shift, so that I know the trans is completely in gear, and that the shifter will not travel any further than necessary.

It helps not to be a wiseass, too, people might actually take your posts seriously :rolleyes:

[9t8z28]

+2 for WESMAN. I know my 126,000 mile trans could use all the help it needs.

[01Z28M6]

What damages forks is mis-shifting. Shifting with a mis-timed clutch engagement or simply not using the clutch at all. That will produce a clash, or rejection of the sleeve from the gear. It is that rejection force that damages forks.

Thanks. Then it is the force of an unsynchronized gear engagement attempt that wears and bends the forks? The hard stops within the transmission end the ability to exert any more lateral pressure on the forks and unless those stops are damaged the forks cannot be bent by overextention. Overextention only loads the shifter mechanism and its linkage?

[30thbird]

Wessy its you who is a self-proven smartass know-it all.It is useless to debate a topic that you command much less knowledge than you think you do.
01Z
You are on the right track. The fact is its the 3/4 fork that wears at the rail in the T56 . It does not bend . There is a replacement iron fork available. The only fork that has a bend history in the T56 is the 5/6 fork. That damage is caused by the mis-shift issue. Mis-shifting can also damage the fork pads.The damage in either case will NOT be "saved" by the stops.
If the stops were really that great why would OEMs not use them? Do you really think they are out to "cheat" you out of a quality product? It does not make sense that an OEM would not do everything possible to insure long life of their products( there are warranties ). It costs alot more for ANY trans repair than it would to put silly stops in a shifter base.

[9t8z28]

Do you really think they are out to "cheat" you out of a quality product?
YES

[30thbird]

I suggest , then, that it is you who are the fool for buying a product you believe is defective from the get-go.
I do not believe that.

[9t8z28]

Chill Out

[9t8z28]

T56 Transmission specialists recommend the use of stops on shifters. I called 3 different places and they all said the same thing. Thet weren't even selling me a shifter, so I guess they were giving me false information just for the hell of it. "HUH"

[30thbird]

Wow ,I think it is you who need to chill out. Be glad you found a "fix" for that piece of crap you stupidly bought.
My factory Hurst has never let me down nor has my t56.

[9t8z28]

:cuss:

[01Z28M6]

30thbird, Obviously you know the internals of the T56. You don't need to argue the point further because your description of the function is convincing. I use a Pro 5.0 and don't have a problem with what you said.

All GM and the others want is to be able to sell cars and sell them again. So quality is a balancing act for the bean counters. None the less, you seem to know these transmissions and I'm convinced you know what you are talking about. It's alright for people to buy the positive stop shifters if that's what makes them feel safer. The money isn't really wasted because the buyers end up happier one way or the other.

I've been on the internet when it was fidonet and have learned to make a point and then correct it if there is anything wrong. The prattle from posturing just adds bandwidth and raises the blood pressure. We've all won on this one and thanks for posting some good strong facts.

[9t8z28]

Don't take this the wrong way 30thBIRD, but where do you get your knowledge of the T56? What makes you an expert? This is not an attack at you, I'm just curious.

[Wesman]

Wessy its you who is a self-proven smartass know-it all.It is useless to debate a topic that you command much less knowledge than you think you do.

Dude, just stop it, right now. First of all, don't try and abbreviate my username. Second of all, you aren't the god of vehicles, nor do you even have any clue what you're talking about beyond what you happen to have learned from your own experience.

I'm only going to say this one more time: Aftermarket stops are not a hoax or worthless. They prevent over travel of the shifter, and on some cars, the shift forks. They are not just there to look pretty. When I go through the gears at the track, having a positive stock after the engagement of each gear lets me know that the gear is fully engaged. Without the stop bolts, there is only a "soft" stop, which is the shift fork making contact at the end of its tavel. The shifter will still move more once the gear is fully engaged, due to slack in between the internal stop and the shifter itself.

If you're just going to be a smartass and try and tell everyone that they're wrong no matter what, don't bother posting, because you're a waste of space.

[mrr23]

ok, enough trying to beat each others opinions/facts into the ground. say it once, or twice at the most, then move on. and keep the insults towards each other at a level of zero.

[30thbird]

It would seem that this topic was at rest for a week untill you brought it back up yesterday. After you edited some of know-it-alls remarks out , that is . What , its a slow day for you?

[niterydr]

I have a SLP short throw shifter in my SS and I like it a lot better than the Hurst short throw that was in my previous SS. It is not as precise or direct as a Pro 5.0 but my friends Pro 5.0 is notchy at times.

[Midnight02]

While I doubt it feels as nice as a Pro 5.0, I just installed a short stick on the factory Hurst shifter and if feels pretty good. A definite improvement over stock and it only cost $24.99 shipped from the ws6store.com

[WARP211]

I have a SLP short throw shifter in my SS and I like it a lot better than the Hurst short throw that was in my previous SS. It is not as precise or direct as a Pro 5.0 but my friends Pro 5.0 is notchy at times.

Isn't the SLP short throw just the same as the HURST..?? The reason i say this is because mine came from the factory with the short throw..

[9t8z28]

Isn't the SLP short throw just the same as the HURST..?? The reason i say this is because mine came from the factory with the short throw..

No the SLP short throw shifter was not an option on our cars. The Hurst was the option.