WS6 suspension vs. new

[tav8ws6]

are BMR front and rear sway bars noticably better than the stock WS6 suspension ones. how good is the WS6 suspension, is it worth upgrading?

[SexOnWheels]

Do not get the BMR bars.

You already have a 32mm in the front,

If you want to upgrade try the 35mm front and 22mm back bars from Stranoparts.com.

Atm I am riunning a 35mm in the front and the stock 19mm in the rear.

When you upgrade the bushings and endlinks to poly you will notice a difference as well.

[tav8ws6]

so i have a 32 in the front and what do i have in the rear?

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

Do not get the BMR bars.

You already have a 32mm in the front,

If you want to upgrade try the 35mm front and 22mm back bars from Stranoparts.com.

Atm I am riunning a 35mm in the front and the stock 19mm in the rear.

When you upgrade the bushings and endlinks to poly you will notice a difference as well.

:true: They are much better than stock and that is what I am running the whole Stano kit.

[SexOnWheels]

so i have a 32 in the front and what do i have in the rear?

19mm

[Y2KPewterSS]

Everything both these guys have said is very accurate. My question is, for what reason are you looking to upgrade sway bars, do you do a lot of auto-cross?

[tav8ws6]

nah no auto cross, i just want really good handling. i know i have amazing handling now but i just figured id upgrade it a little. if its not worth upgrading then thats fine with me. i do take the car to the strip though

[tav8ws6]

i know this isnt the right section, but does anyone know if removing the screen from the MAF is safe? does it even do anything?

[Eugenio_SS]

leave the rear bar as is... going with a bigger one will make you tail even more happier when cornering... ie, it'll go in front of the front of the car faster than it does now... if anything, get a bigger one in the front (35 or 36mm)... keep stock rear.

[Raven98Z28]

i know this isnt the right section, but does anyone know if removing the screen from the MAF is safe? does it even do anything?

go ahead and remove it. I did and nothing bad happened. When combined w/ a lid, EGR-cut-off, a Free Ram Air mod & K&N, I noticed a huge diff. at high speeds (Autobahn).

[Fastcar]

i know this isnt the right section, but does anyone know if removing the screen from the MAF is safe? does it even do anything?

Yes it does serve a useful purpose - it keeps cr*p from getting into the engine! I put an SLP lid and a K&N filter on my car. Ran OK for a while, then I noticed a hesitation when I'd "get on" the gas. No codes or SES light, car had been recently tuned... WTF? Took it into the Pontiac dealer to find out what was going on, hadn't even looked at the air filter/cleaner assembly. Dealer found a bunch of cr*p, leaves & small twigs blocking the MAF screen. Now, I normally don't take my T/A off-roading so it's anybody's guess as to how that junk got in, but that screen saved my butt from a huge bunch o' problems...... :burnout:

[third_shift|studios]

you'll notice a difference with some beefier rear lower control arms too.

[tav8ws6]

cool, thanks everybody

[Raven98Z28]

Yes it does serve a useful purpose - it keeps cr*p from getting into the engine! I put an SLP lid and a K&N filter on my car. Ran OK for a while, then I noticed a hesitation when I'd "get on" the gas. No codes or SES light, car had been recently tuned... WTF? Took it into the Pontiac dealer to find out what was going on, hadn't even looked at the air filter/cleaner assembly. Dealer found a bunch of cr*p, leaves & small twigs blocking the MAF screen. Now, I normally don't take my T/A off-roading so it's anybody's guess as to how that junk got in, but that screen saved my butt from a huge bunch o' problems...... :burnout:

ahahahah... somebody didn't make sure his airbox was sealed when he installed or cleaned his K&N!!!

The only thing I found in my intake were some pets, an old lady and a few small children...

[trans-am nut]

go ahead and remove it. I did and nothing bad happened. When combined w/ a lid, EGR-cut-off, a Free Ram Air mod & K&N, I noticed a huge diff. at high speeds (Autobahn).

How fast did you get up too?,lol

[Raven98Z28]

How fast did you get up too?,lol

I drove in excess of 155mph several times during my 3 year tour there. I used to try to set my cruise control at speeds in excess of 100mph but it doesn't work well at that speed. I burned something out on the Cruise Control trying to do that - the motor that adjusts your throttle to compensate for hills, etc, i think.

I once drove from Budapest, Hungary to Schweinfurt, Germany in 5 hours and 40 minutes. That includes a 30 minute stop for gas, take a leak and eat a sandwich. If you do the math, i was averaging well over 100 mph the whole way. A BMW 540 was my running buddy until I hit the Austrian border.

It was a good tour. I'd do it again if my country asked me to. Thanks, Uncle Sam! ;)

:Patriot:

[Frankthetank]

ahahahah... somebody didn't make sure his airbox was sealed when he installed or cleaned his K&N!!!

The only thing I found in my intake were some pets, an old lady and a few small children...

HAHAHA!!!!

[9t8z28]

ahahahah... somebody didn't make sure his airbox was sealed when he installed or cleaned his K&N!!!

The only thing I found in my intake were some pets, an old lady and a few small children...
Dude! Thats AWESOME! I'm crackin up!

[Glenn]

The book on the LS motors says pull the screen. They say it's left out on the vette. I yanked mine first thing. Actually, they claim it's to straighten the air flow. This is really not a good idea. A smooth air flow will create static layers on the outside of the flow and actually reduce the flow. (I knew USN Nuke Power School would come in handy someday)

[Huskerz1]

Do not get the BMR bars.

You already have a 32mm in the front,

If you want to upgrade try the 35mm front and 22mm back bars from Stranoparts.com.

Atm I am riunning a 35mm in the front and the stock 19mm in the rear.

When you upgrade the bushings and endlinks to poly you will notice a difference as well.


I will respectfully disagree. Stock front is 30mm and stock rear is 19mm per this page. http://www.bmrfabrication.com/F-bodySuspension.htm

[Wesman]

The book on the LS motors says pull the screen. They say it's left out on the vette. I yanked mine first thing. Actually, they claim it's to straighten the air flow. This is really not a good idea. A smooth air flow will create static layers on the outside of the flow and actually reduce the flow. (I knew USN Nuke Power School would come in handy someday)

So the LS1/LS6 Corvette's have no MAF screen whatsoever??

Interesting.

[Wesman]

Yes it does serve a useful purpose - it keeps cr*p from getting into the engine! I put an SLP lid and a K&N filter on my car. Ran OK for a while, then I noticed a hesitation when I'd "get on" the gas. No codes or SES light, car had been recently tuned... WTF? Took it into the Pontiac dealer to find out what was going on, hadn't even looked at the air filter/cleaner assembly. Dealer found a bunch of cr*p, leaves & small twigs blocking the MAF screen. Now, I normally don't take my T/A off-roading so it's anybody's guess as to how that junk got in, but that screen saved my butt from a huge bunch o' problems...... :burnout:

I'm willing to bet its from the SLP lid not sealing properly. I have an aftermarket lid on my car, and you can see the gap between the Lid and the base isn't sealed that well. Especially when the motor torques over and twists the whole thing. I think a thick rubber seal would be very beneficial to sit between the lid and the base, otherwise crap can find its way in.

[9t8z28]

I'm willing to bet its from the SLP lid not sealing properly. I have an aftermarket lid on my car, and you can see the gap between the Lid and the base isn't sealed that well. Especially when the motor torques over and twists the whole thing. I think a thick rubber seal would be very beneficial to sit between the lid and the base, otherwise crap can find its way in.
+2 I have the same problem with my clear MTI lid.

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

Is it me? How friggin hard is it to get a square box...to fit...over a square box??? I mean c'mon.

[Fastcar]

Is it me? How friggin hard is it to get a square box...to fit...over a square box??? I mean c'mon.

Hell, I thought the lid was on tight too, and I even installed the SLP lid (was either them or K&N, don't remember) gasket when I first got the lid & filter. Tabs were all tucked in on the back...clips tight on the front... whooo knows? :burnout:

[SiggyZ]

Guys, please keep this thread on topic. It is about suspension on the WS6, not about air lids. Thank you.

[Raven98Z28]

Guys, please keep this thread on topic. It is about suspension on the WS6, not about air lids. Thank you.

I nominate SiggyZ for County Sheriff!!! Anyone wanna second?

[tonyjnjz]

so explain this keeping the rear sway bar bit????? y does the back end wannan slide easier when u upgrade the rear sway bar?? i woudl think tightening it up would keep it planted better......hey im not complaining though..would save me a lil money keeping the stocker there

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

so explain this keeping the rear sway bar bit????? y does the back end wannan slide easier when u upgrade the rear sway bar?? i woudl think tightening it up would keep it planted better......hey im not complaining though..would save me a lil money keeping the stocker there

Curious about this myself, what happens when you put a thicker bar back there?

[Huskerz1]

so explain this keeping the rear sway bar bit????? y does the back end wannan slide easier when u upgrade the rear sway bar?? i woudl think tightening it up would keep it planted better......hey im not complaining though..would save me a lil money keeping the stocker there


I'll try my best but I'm no expert. If you jerk the steering wheel one way or the other, the rear will follow. A stock rear will have some deflection and too much body roll since it uses rubber bushings, small rear sway bar, and cheap stamped metal parts. I have noticed that since putting on my new panhard and rear swaybar the rear stays tighter with the car in a turn. I definitley feel more confident about squirting out of a turn. Lowering the car helps a ton too. Taking a curve at 80mph with a lowered Camaro feels alot different than stock ride height. I think by having a real large rear sway bar you will eliminate too much body roll and be solely reliant on the tires for holding the car on the road. Hard cornering coupled with accelleration could mean your rearend slides out from under you alot easier if you don't have some great tires on. There you have it. May not make sense and I might get crushed by some others. Probably need an auto X racer to answer the question better.

[tonyjnjz]

um maybe it DOSNT slide out easier but just feels like it does since theres no body roll to warn u first???

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

I'll try my best but I'm no expert. If you jerk the steering wheel one way or the other, the rear will follow. A stock rear will have some deflection and too much body roll since it uses rubber bushings, small rear sway bar, and cheap stamped metal parts. I have noticed that since putting on my new panhard and rear swaybar the rear stays tighter with the car in a turn. I definitley feel more confident about squirting out of a turn. Lowering the car helps a ton too. Taking a curve at 80mph with a lowered Camaro feels alot different than stock ride height. I think by having a real large rear sway bar you will eliminate too much body roll and be solely reliant on the tires for holding the car on the road. Hard cornering coupled with accelleration could mean your rearend slides out from under you alot easier if you don't have some great tires on. There you have it. May not make sense and I might get crushed by some others. Probably need an auto X racer to answer the question better.


In the voice of Archie Bunker..."What are you talkin about dere hah?"

[Huskerz1]

Hey I tried. Keep searching for more answers meathead(Archie Bunkers son in law).

[{FzS}BlacKMagicK]

Hey I tried. Keep searching for more answers meathead(Archie Bunkers son in law).

LOL, at least you know who he is, thought it would be lost on most here.

I have read in several threads here you shouldn't upgrade the rear sway bar. Suspension is one thing I know very little about, so I'll be leavin it alone.

[Eugenio_SS]

so explain this keeping the rear sway bar bit????? y does the back end wannan slide easier when u upgrade the rear sway bar?? i woudl think tightening it up would keep it planted better......hey im not complaining though..would save me a lil money keeping the stocker there

it's all about a balance of front/rear stiffness that is mainly combined w/ spring rates and rollbars.
increasing either one @ 1 end will make it stiffer on that end.
rule of thumb is if you stiffen the front, you are tuning the car to get more understeer, and stiffening the rear is to get more oversteer.
Ideally you want the car to be neutral when loaded taking a corner @ constant throttle so that you can control @ the limit if you want to understeer or oversteer.

stiffening the rear sway-bar (common mistake) will just make the car more tail happy than it needs to be, hindering traction when cornering vs not "upgrading" the rear-bar.
Not all "upgrades" are real upgrades.