What should I do... 01 SS or 99 Vette?

[Mason 71]

I have been wanting an ls1 for school for a long time now. I am about to have enough money for one. I have looked into a camaro and I am pretty sure I want an 01 SS, and after looking into a corvette, a 99 FRC would be what I would get if I didn't get a camaro. I want to have somthing I can mod and have a good return on its value. Which one would have greater depreciation in value? Oh and I found out that the insurance is cheaper for the corvette than the camaro. So, what should I do? I drive to and from school every two weeks, its about 40 miles one way. Thanks

[BitViper]

The vette of course..but the insurance at 19 will kill you...for that matter..the insurance for a SS wont be small either....

Have fun!

[Rhino21149]

I'd get the vette, but of course they are very different cars. Have owned both (actually, still own both - a 98 Z28 and an 02 ZO6).

The Camaro is much more practical. You can take a couple of extra buddies along if you have to. It has a hatchback -- I was always impressed that i could use my Z28 to haul home the Christmas tree every year -- its huge back there.

And meaning no offense to anyone, but F-bodies are sort of pigs otherwise: other than the fact that they are a container for maybe the greatest street engine ever built (i really mean this) their only redeeming quality they have is their great looks. Handling is not that good, build quality is only so-so, and they are very big for the actual interior size (match back and Xmas trees not withstanding.

By contrast the vette has room for only two, carries little in the way of serious of bulky luggage, but it is lighter (will get better fuel economy, too), handles infinately better, and has much better class. frc or not, its still a vette, and you see far fewer of them around than Camaros.

[TGrits10]

I should slap you for asking this question. In fact i will :slap:

I've owned/flogged/modded/RRed/cruised/etc. both.
Vette = all-around high-quality sports car
Fbody = piece of absolute garbage with great engine

EDIT: Regarding Rhino's comments on cargo space:
Vette: Surprisingly large cargo area, but no back seat, and nothing to keep objects from sliding around back there.
Fbody: cramped, awkwardly-shaped cargo area, but combined with hatch and folding back seat, quite cavernous when needed.

[GatorSS]

You left off the most important piece of information: price. If they are the same price, I'd buy the 'Vette. Obviously, other issues that may be involved would also factor into the decision. In addition to what has already been mentioned, do you ever plan on towing something, like a small boat, motor & trailer (or something for extra cargo space since you're going back and forth to school)? With the 'Vette, you would not be able to do any towing.

While I agree that the 'Vette is an "all-around high-quality sports car," I certainly do not agree that the Fbody is a "piece of absolute garbage with great engine." Far from it, IMHO.

[TGrits10]

You left off the most important piece of information: price. If they are the same price, I'd buy the 'Vette. Obviously, other issues that may be involved would also factor into the decision. In addition to what has already been mentioned, do you ever plan on towing something, like a small boat, motor & trailer (or something for extra cargo space since you're going back and forth to school)? With the 'Vette, you would not be able to do any towing.

While I agree that the 'Vette is an "all-around high-quality sports car," I certainly do not agree that the Fbody is a "piece of absolute garbage with great engine." Far from it, IMHO.

Many a vette has been fitted with a small tow hitch for waverunners, tire trailers, and the like. You won't be able to tow a boat, but some things are doable.

And IMHO, anyone who doesn't see the Fbody for what it is (POS/great engine) needs to remove the rose-colored glasses. It's a fast/fun car, but that's all it is.

[Sarge]

GAWD DAMMIT....FRICKING BOARD CRASHING....OK ...
I just typed out a Gone with the Wind response full of links etc...and I do not wish to repeat the effort just to see "Server Busy"....and everything lost again...
Vette*Fbody/Resale value=Vette

[blackSS01]

Get the SS, its faster.

[blackSS01]

POS with great engine, I need what you are smoken :screwy: Then why do you own one. Engine=Awesome Tranny=Awesome Apperance=Awesome and Aggresive. Every car has its ups and downs but to call is a POS is pure........just weird.

[smurf69]

i have a ta but i owned a 99 vette and i think the vette is better depending on the model it might not be as quick but its still a better car. and all your buddies cant ask for a ride cause you can always get a girl to ride with you and theres no room for them. but make sure which ever one you get you will be satisfied with. by the way what does IMHO mean

[TNT]

Who cares about cargo space and which is faster. If the BIOTCH is in the Vette with you and you lose you can tell her you let the SS win and she'll buy it but if it was the other way around the BIOTCH will laugh at you and give you that, "yeah right" look.

GO VETTE

[blackSS01]

Alot of women I know like a WS6 or SS better, they are rarer to see on the road then a fucking base model vette. I see at least 8 vettes a day compared to 1 or 2 sightings of a WS6 or SS a week. In fact I am averageing about 1 SS a month, and about 1 WS6 a week. Plus forget the women part, you don't want a bitch that just cares, or likes you for your car. Or you can scrap the hole idea and save for a Z06 old or new :worship:

[TGrits10]

POS with great engine, I need what you are smoken :screwy: Then why do you own one. Engine=Awesome Tranny=Awesome Apperance=Awesome and Aggresive. Every car has its ups and downs but to call is a POS is pure........just weird.

I own one because it's the fastest, funnest car I can afford at this time. Rest assured the moment I can afford to, I'll upgrade.

OK it looks good and has a great engine and tranny. It's also has the chassis rigidity of a 1982 z28. And that's the beginning of the long list of weaknesses. I mean c'mon power windows, ergonomics, stock suspension, to name a few. It was designed to be a cheap car with a big engine, and that's what it is, even today 20 years after it was designed.

[blackSS01]

Yes window motors suck, rear end sucks. Thats about all the problems I can think of. I don't know what your talking about with suspension. I can take crazy corners all day and not have a problem. It isn't the nicest ride, but its a muscle car, it isn't suppose to ride like a lincoln or caddy. I have owned a 1982 TA, 1983 Camaro, 1984 Camaro and my car doesn't feel anything like them.

[Rhino21149]

. . . anyone who doesn't see the Fbody for what it is (POS/great engine) needs to remove the rose-colored glasses. It's a fast/fun car, but that's all it is . . .


You are so right. I love 'em but I know them for what they are . . .

But the Ls engine? Maybe the greatest use of metal ever created.

[TGrits10]

You are so right. I love 'em but I know them for what they are . . .

But the Ls engine? Maybe the greatest use of metal ever created.

:werd:

:worship:LS-series:hitit:

[blackSS01]

:think: :confused:

[GatorSS]

i have a ta but i owned a 99 vette and i think the vette is better depending on the model it might not be as quick but its still a better car. and all your buddies cant ask for a ride cause you can always get a girl to ride with you and theres no room for them. but make sure which ever one you get you will be satisfied with. by the way what does IMHO mean
IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

[02z28ls1]

:sword: I'd get the vette, but of course they are very different cars. Have owned both (actually, still own both - a 98 Z28 and an 02 ZO6).

The Camaro is much more practical. You can take a couple of extra buddies along if you have to. It has a hatchback -- I was always impressed that i could use my Z28 to haul home the Christmas tree every year -- its huge back there.

And meaning no offense to anyone, but F-bodies are sort of pigs otherwise: other than the fact that they are a container for maybe the greatest street engine ever built (i really mean this) their only redeeming quality they have is their great looks. Handling is not that good, build quality is only so-so, and they are very big for the actual interior size (match back and Xmas trees not withstanding.

By contrast the vette has room for only two, carries little in the way of serious of bulky luggage, but it is lighter (will get better fuel economy, too), handles infinately better, and has much better class. frc or not, its still a vette, and you see far fewer of them around than Camaros.
Handling is not that good??? You need to watch the SCCA Mid-Ohio runoffs-will be coming up in the next couple of months.The Camaros and Firebirds were out handling and out powering BMWs and Porsches and the Mustangs weren't even a factor.This year though may be the year of the 350Z track edition-last year the Cadillacs were coming on strong-but this is years after the Camaro stopped production.The Camaro weighed the same as the regular Corvettes-so who you callin a pig?It was a damn good car at an affordable price-some of us can't afford a Corvette.I bought two Camaros new(98 and 02)and never had any build quality issues with either car.I'm keeping my 02-you can sell your "slummin" Camaro to somebody who can appreciate it.

[GatorSS]

Many a vette has been fitted with a small tow hitch for waverunners, tire trailers, and the like. You won't be able to tow a boat, but some things are doable.

And IMHO, anyone who doesn't see the Fbody for what it is (POS/great engine) needs to remove the rose-colored glasses. It's a fast/fun car, but that's all it is.
Yes, I know many older 'Vettes have been fitted with a small hitch, but I hadn't seen a C5 with one. I checked with a hitch shop and they do make one for the C5. So, I stand corrected on the towing issue.

As far as the Fbody being a "POS/great engine" and that all those opposing that opinion must be looking through rose colored glasses, I think it's more appropriate for you to put the bong down and go ahead and exhale. A cheaper car compared to the Corvette, yes, but a POS? C'mon, that's way too extreme.

[TransAmMan]

I've test driven many corvettes and own a 99 ws6. But if you think about a normal SS would cost somewhere around 15-20k depending on mileage. If you buy a corvette it's going to cost you anywhere from 25k-45k. So if you bought a corvette at it's cheapest and a SS at it's most expensive thats still a huge different. You can do a lot with that $5,000 and think about all the money you would save on insurance. There is no doubt you can surpass the corvette in performance and handling abillity with all the money you will save.

Don't get me wrong a corvette is a very nice vehicle. It's luxurious and has nice ademenitys. But I feel very cramped in them (I'm 6'5) and things are kind of awkwardly placed IMHO. But the targa top is very cool.

in f-bodys its so much more roomier ! It's a lot more mean in my opinon too.

Corvettes are segzy bitches don't get me wrong. I think f-bodys look much more agressive and a lot more esteticly pleaseing.

So IMHO fbody>corvette.

I'm sorry for all the grammer errors and spelling errors. I typed that very quickly.

[TGrits10]

If you buy a corvette it's going to cost you anywhere from 25k-45k.

If you pay more than $20k for a '99 FRC you got ripped off. I'm not up to speed on SS prices, but I have a hard time believing $20k. I believe the point of the thread was that they are about the same price.

[TGrits10]

:sword:
Handling is not that good??? You need to watch the SCCA Mid-Ohio runoffs-will be coming up in the next couple of months.The Camaros and Firebirds were out handling and out powering BMWs and Porsches and the Mustangs weren't even a factor.

Those cars are not stock. The cars we're talking about in this thread are. If we're talking about handling potential, then fbody has a leg to stand on....but then so does the vette. A camaro will never handle as well as vette, all else equal.

The Camaro weighed the same as the regular Corvettes-so who you callin a pig?

3500>3250

It was a damn good car at an affordable price-some of us can't afford a Corvette. You can sell your "slummin" Camaro to somebody who can appreciate it.

replace 'good' with 'fast'
...and thank you, I will...as soon I'm financially qualified to consider a camaro slummin...which may not be soon.

[TransAmMan]

If you pay more than $20k for a '99 FRC you got ripped off. I'm not up to speed on SS prices, but I have a hard time believing $20k. I believe the point of the thread was that they are about the same price.

oh ... if they were the same price. I feel like a idiot haha. 20 k isn't really out of the picture though if it's low mileage. I was saying those prices out of the most extremely situations.

[texfire]

THE VETTE GETS 'EM WET!!!!!!
Can't go wrong with a vette, fastest and best looking by FAR...!!!

[blackSS01]

THE VETTE GETS 'EM WET!!!!!!
Can't go wrong with a vette, fastest and best looking by FAR...!!!


I have raced a 00 Vette A4/with CAI and stall (not sure how big) I took him with my mods down below minus a few.

I raced a 02 Vette M6/with Catback and CAI, and a Short Throw, we both where retarded and hit rev-limiter in 2nd. I had him by about a car length.

I don't know where you are getting the fastest statement. And in best looks, the F-Body (SS/WS6) look far more aggressive. I do like the Vette, it is a good car, but the more practical approach is the good old F-Body. Can't go wrong with either one, both are made by GM. Buy the F-Body. :worship: GM

[Liquifire]

You left off the most important piece of information: price. If they are the same price, I'd buy the 'Vette. Obviously, other issues that may be involved would also factor into the decision. In addition to what has already been mentioned, do you ever plan on towing something, like a small boat, motor & trailer (or something for extra cargo space since you're going back and forth to school)? With the 'Vette, you would not be able to do any towing.

While I agree that the 'Vette is an "all-around high-quality sports car," I certainly do not agree that the Fbody is a "piece of absolute garbage with great engine." Far from it, IMHO.
:haha:
seriously........putting a hitch or towing anything with a sports car is just wrong......that is what trucks and beater cars are for.

[Liquifire]

[ It's luxurious and has nice ademenitys.


Did you mean amenities?

[GatorSS]

:haha:
seriously........putting a hitch or towing anything with a sports car is just wrong......that is what trucks and beater cars are for.
Yes, it is somewhat funny, since sports cars are not the ideal tow vehicles. But if a car has the ability, and someone doesn't own a truck or beater car, then if they want to tow something within the car's towing capacity, why not? It's their choice. Say, someone who owns an Fbody wants to buy a small boat or a jet ski. Should he also have to buy a truck or beater car and also pay for the extra insurance, etc., when he can just have a hitch put on the car for $150?

A small boat or jet ski properly mounted on a trailer can easily have a tongue weight of less than 50 lbs, well below an Fbody's tongue weight capacity. It can handle it. Hey, it's much less strain on the car than some of the fat chicks I see some guys hauling around in Fbodies and Corvettes.

But, as you state, I prefer to do my towing with a nice GM truck. Save the beater cars to give to the fat chicks.

[Rhino21149]

I am really surprised at the reactions and responses this generates. WOW, people are touchy and I guess there are a lot of rose-colored glasses out there.
But I will stock to my guns (I own and love both a vette and an F-body so I think I both know the facts and can be objective:

- F-bodys do not handle well. They CORNER well, but that is not the same thing: put big enough rubber on a wide car with a low center of gravity and a solid axle and it will stock like glue on smooth sweeping turns. But F-bodies don't change direction well, and they do not have a linear, communicative, and nimble turn in combined with a small polor moment of interia -- things needed for good handling like a vette or a Prosche. A Vette will out corner an F-body (or a Prosche for that matter, and handles nearly as well (I have a 2004 Carrera, too, so I know this, too). The biggest difference I notice in handling between them is that our Camaro is a real handful to keep pointed in a straight line when launching hard compared to the Vette, which is just point and shoot (both run drag radials, and both can do mid 10s, so its a valid comparison).

- F-bodies weigh more than Vettes. By 5%-10%. The factory says so and I've weighed them from time to time (stock ours differed by 8.3%). that makes a difference. More difficult to measure but more important- the F-body has a pretty poor polar moment of intertia - the vette's weight is near center so it can change direction much more quickly.

- Finally, vettes are faster, period. Winning a street race or two proves nothing. With few exceptions, in any year since the F-body was produced, the slowest production vette offered by GM was faster in just about any way you would want to measure it than the fastest Camaro or Firebird they offered (Yeah, I know the exceptions, too: e.g., ain 1970 a 300 Hp base AT vette vs. a SD455 Firebird -- would not have been close etc.), but certainly since '95, I can think of no exceptions.

[TransAmMan]

ok if your talking about the two I agree. The vette is going to out perform the fbody. But I'm still going to stick with my opinon. By the money you save by getting a fbody you can mod your car and far surpass the performance of a vette.

[Rhino21149]

I have raced . . . .
. . . we both where retarded . . . .
. . . and hit rev-limiter in 2nd. I had him by about a car length . . .

It's cruel but I just can't pass up the opportunity: if you were street-racing (and it sounds like you were), then I agree: you were both acting like you were retarded.

One car length by the end of 2nd gear could just be the launch. Probably would have been different by the end of 3rd gear.

[02z28ls1]

Those cars are not stock. The cars we're talking about in this thread are. If we're talking about handling potential, then fbody has a leg to stand on....but then so does the vette. A camaro will never handle as well as vette, all else equal.



3500>3250



replace 'good' with 'fast'
...and thank you, I will...as soon I'm financially qualified to consider a camaro slummin...which may not be soon.
I'll keep this short an sweet-the SCCA run-offs that I'm talking about are pitting stock vs. stock in the pro touring 1 + 2 classes.The Camaro-Firebirds are in a different class from the Corvettes-which do very well I might add.These cars are regulated to stay very stock-watch the race this year if you don't know what I'm talking about.The Corvettes are in a different class from the Camaros-if you can afford a Corvette and a Camaro you are quite financially qualified-but replacing that Camaro with something comparable performance wise is gonna cost alot more.

[Rhino21149]

I'm talking about are pitting stock vs. stock in the pro touring 1 + 2 classes. . . . These cars are regulated to stay very stock-watch the race this year if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I'm very familiar with SCCA stock racing since I did it some years ago: well it was long ago (drove an Alfa Romeo Montreal 3 liter V-89, if you know what and when that was) but I keep up with it still. They are stock but not "stock stock:" you can do alot within the rules but they keep it fair with everyone allowed to do the same -- changing bushings, tire selection and set up, and some pretty exteme other things I saw and if you don't you don't win, period. F-bodies do okay partly because they are in a class where they are competitive and partly because, as I said, they naturally do well on smooth, sweeping turn tracks.

I'm really not rying to make this a vette is better than a Camaro thing. But in my mind the vette is faster and slightly better quality than the F-body (although, it i s put to shame by the build quality of a Porsche, for example), and I don't know why people can't admit that - I can and I love them both-- never will get rid of either of mine, whereas the Prosche, good as it is will go in about five years (or sooner if I find the money for a Gallardo).

[02z28ls1]

I'm very familiar with SCCA stock racing since I did it some years ago: well it was long ago (drove an Alfa Romeo Montreal 3 liter V-89, if you know what and when that was) but I keep up with it still. They are stock but not "stock stock:" you can do alot within the rules but they keep it fair with everyone allowed to do the same -- changing bushings, tire selection and set up, and some pretty exteme other things I saw and if you don't you don't win, period. F-bodies do okay partly because they are in a class where they are competitive and partly because, as I said, they naturally do well on smooth, sweeping turn tracks.

I'm really not rying to make this a vette is better than a Camaro thing. But in my mind the vette is faster and slightly better quality than the F-body (although, it i s put to shame by the build quality of a Porsche, for example), and I don't know why people can't admit that - I can and I love them both-- never will get rid of either of mine, whereas the Prosche, good as it is will go in about five years (or sooner if I find the money for a Gallardo).Wait a minute -you said you were ditching the Camaro-and I would hope that the Porsche,at least double the cost ,would have better build quality.The Vette is more sophisticated and refined-but you paid for it.My fully loaded 02 Z-28 stickered at $26K and the standard Vette stickered at around $40K-that's alot of difference.Weight for my car is listed at 3411lbs.-don't have the numbers on hand for the Vette but from what I remember there was only about 60 lb. difference for the base Vette-the Z-06 was lighter-and faster and more expensive.What's pissin people off is calling the Camaro a POS and saying your gonna ditch ASAP-sounds like your not saying that now.Yes you are allowed to change certain things on the car in the SCCA races I was referring to -but nothing that changes the basic design of the car.The Camaro leans through the turns alot is one thing that you notice-and the power coming out of the turns is awesome by comparision w/the other cars.The Cadillac CTS-Vs are the latest greatest in this class along with the Nissan 350Z track model-again cars costing alot more than the Camaro.I'm not trading mine in on a Cad anytime soon.So what's my point -the Camaro has the best bang for the buck-take the money you save and put it into go-fast goodies and a girlfriend or two and your life will be better.:usa: edit-I just remembered the guys name -Thomas Oates-from the race in 02 I believe-spun in the first turn and then went on to lap the field the rest of the race.Burnt out the stock clutch in the last lap just as he was preparing to take the lead away from the BMW which he was clearly faster than.Watch him this year in the Corvette-he's not as good there-the drivers are alot better in that class-but it's very entertaining nonetheless.And no I'm not that familiar with the car you competed in-what class was that?

[blackSS01]

It's cruel but I just can't pass up the opportunity: if you were street-racing (and it sounds like you were), then I agree: you were both acting like you were retarded.

One car length by the end of 2nd gear could just be the launch. Probably would have been different by the end of 3rd gear.


I really wouldn't call it street racing if your racing in a huge desserted parking lot, but oh well fuck it, I could care less. We didn't lauch, we were going about 10 mph on 3 honks. And to a guy that owns F-Bodys, Vette, and Porsche. A Vette is not faster period. I have raced far more then just 2 races with them. I just didn't want to write all day. The base model is over-rated, a F-Body is under-rated. In fact back in 1989 Turbo TA was by far the fastest of GM's vehicles. In fact, the 89 turbo put up better numbers then a 01 WS6, granted these facts are based on a show that documented the TA since it was released. The show could be wrong, but my personal experiances are not. Yes the Vette will handle better, but that is what mods are for. You can, with enough money can make a fucking pinto handle like a champ. Either way your getting a good car. People have their own opinions, and people will be bias. I have driven Vettes, raced Vettes and like Vettes but I would take my F-Body first. Shit I was even going to buy a 2000 M6 Red Vette loaded but when my friend called me and told me he saw a SS for sale. The paperwork stopped. And you can read my sig, never regreted it or looked back.

[Mason 71]

hey thanks for the replies folks!

[02z28ls1]

hey thanks for the replies folks!
See what you started! I think we forgot what this whole thing was about -but right now the poll is dead tied up.Vote people!:usa:

[eddierox]

Its a tough call.

The SS has a pure mean reputation and has the "Ill blow your doors off no matter what you drive" visage and this is a well deserved given .. realistically.
The only real true weakness is the rearend and its always a good investment to swap for a Moser to keep you bullitt proof and in the race.

The vette has the visage of an all around class act and pretty much blows the doors off anything also and you can't possibly lose with a Z06 ..

The vette is a lot easier to get the most 'hard to get babe' into your car .. and I would love to tell you what happened when I got her in ..

but I'd probably get banned ..

[blackSS01]

Eddierox, I like what you just typed. You gave both props with out shooting one down. Congrats. :beer:

[dotcom2000]

2 really nice cars. just a matter of personal preference i guess. i'll stick with my trans am.

[bww3588]

- F-bodys do not handle well. They CORNER well, but that is not the same thing: put big enough rubber on a wide car with a low center of gravity and a solid axle and it will stock like glue on smooth sweeping turns. But F-bodies don't change direction well, and they do not have a linear, communicative, and nimble turn in combined with a small polor moment of interia -- things needed for good handling like a vette or a Prosche. A Vette will out corner an F-body (or a Prosche for that matter, and handles nearly as well (I have a 2004 Carrera, too, so I know this, too). The biggest difference I notice in handling between them is that our Camaro is a real handful to keep pointed in a straight line when launching hard compared to the Vette, which is just point and shoot (both run drag radials, and both can do mid 10s, so its a valid comparison).

LCA's SFC's, Panhard bar, and a STB will take care of all that.

[bww3588]

:werd: 2 really nice cars. just a matter of personal preference i guess. i'll stick with my trans am.
IMO, the corvetts are for middle aged men who can finally afford it because they couldnt afford it when they were 20.

[blue02Z]

I used to work for a GM dealership and I got to drive corvettes all the time. Compared to my Z I did not like the way that they felt, it was just different. Once we took a 2004 C5 A4 out on the streets when management left. My car was bone stock with the stock Goodyear Gsc's almost bald. I've got 6 speed and we tried a little drag race, i let out of it in 3rd and had at least 2 car lengths on my bud. I love my f-body!
Just my .02!!

[Rhino21149]

Wait a minute -you said you were ditching the Camaro- . . .?


I did? Nope, never get rid of the Camaro. Geez,m it is much too cool. And we have som much in the chassis and engine now. Its just the most marzelously anti-solcial, politically incorrect street car in the world. Nasty, brutal, rough and tough. Handles like a pig, but my God it goes in a straight line. We will get nines out of it, while still a street car, before its over.

[Rhino21149]

LCA's SFC's, Panhard bar, and a STB will take care of all that.


No, they'll help. But an independent rear suspension, lose of about 300 pounds, and a reduction in polar moment of intertia will help more.

Look guys, its a big, heavy, fast car. It handles well for a 3600 lb car, about as well as a Ferrari Maranello (another big, heavy car). But that is NOT good handling: have you ever driven a Lotus Elise? Now there is HANDLING. A vette with various upgrades is almost that good, but not quite.

Its all relative. The fact that an F-body does not handle as well as really good handling cars is inconsequential: they are good cars. I just don't understand why people want to keep making them what they aren't.

[02z28ls1]

I said you need to sell that Camaro to some one who will appreciate it-your reply was "I will" and something about when you can afford it.It sounds like you can afford it.Anybody that can afford a C5R-427 Z-06 and a Porsche and a highly modified Camaro can afford alot more than the average Camaro owner.I'm not claiming it's the best handling car in the world-just not poor handling-for the money it handles great.Again -my car lists at 3411 lbs.22 more w/auto.I'm not going to accept your numbers for the Corvette because you've changed your numbers for the Camaro now.Anybody else got numbers?The solid rear axle does have limitations-but it has positives-it weighs less(think GTO vs. Camaro)it's stronger(think drag racers)and it costs less to make(think GTO,Corvette vs. Camaro).It has higher unsprung weight-won't handle the bumps as well but I'm not going offroad with mine anytime soon.The Camaro is in the same class as the Boxster at the SCCA races that I spoke of.Sure they do good at Mid-Ohio but these guys race all over the country and in 03 they overwhelmingly chose F-bodies ,not the Boxster,not the BMW 3 ,and sure as hell not the Mustang.3 years later it will be a different story but it's not fair to compare a 3+year old car in a highly competitive series like that but I'm betting you will still see F-body cars out there.And in closing I would like to point out that I've been home sick with the flu since thursday so no I don't have anything better to do than to rage at perfect strangers.Thank you.--OK last edit-If your Camaro is set-up for 10 sec. runs it's going to compromise handling on the street and the track.I'm talking about a car set-up for the road course.

[Rhino21149]

Okay pal, whatever you say. Maybe my F-body was the only one that never handled well. And my #s change because we're constantly working on the cars. The vette picked up 8 RWHP today with that trick of moving the crossover point in the H pipe-- would not have believed it if I had not seen it on the dyno. the Camaro jumped up alot this week with new nitrous and some fuel retuning.

Very interesting though. Nothing really changes. I was a member of LS1.com in '98, right after I got the vette. Even a "senior member" after a while. But I got really tired of it. Too much juvenile street racer BS and a whole bunch of people who would jump all over you unless you admitted their car was the best in the world. Hell, even a vette isn't perfect -far from it in fact. they are just cars, not your ego, guys!!!

So I'm tired of it again.

I won't be back.

[TGrits10]

I said you need to sell that Camaro to some one who will appreciate it-your reply was "I will" and something about when you can afford it.

Um...that was me. I'm a college student.

[bww3588]

No, they'll help. But an independent rear suspension, lose of about 300 pounds, and a reduction in polar moment of intertia will help more.


I heard that the IRS will rob more horsepower than a solid rear axle.

[02z28ls1]

Okay pal, whatever you say. Maybe my F-body was the only one that never handled well. And my #s change because we're constantly working on the cars. The vette picked up 8 RWHP today with that trick of moving the crossover point in the H pipe-- would not have believed it if I had not seen it on the dyno. the Camaro jumped up alot this week with new nitrous and some fuel retuning.

Very interesting though. Nothing really changes. I was a member of LS1.com in '98, right after I got the vette. Even a "senior member" after a while. But I got really tired of it. Too much juvenile street racer BS and a whole bunch of people who would jump all over you unless you admitted their car was the best in the world. Hell, even a vette isn't perfect -far from it in fact. they are just cars, not your ego, guys!!!

So I'm tired of it again.

I won't be back.You guys were trying to say Camaros are a POS with a great engine.That's an insult-don't make insults if you don't mean it and don't debate things if you're gonna get insulted yourself.Apparently you did-notice my last post where I said I never meant the Camaro was the best handling....etc. What do you expect to hear from people on a site like this?That we hate our cars?Alot of what you had to say was true-just keep the insults to yourself.You think anybody over at Ferrari.com is saying it's a great engine but a POS body or something-what kinda response do think that's gonna get?Ya go take your bat and your ball and go sulk on home.Seems your ego needs to be checked--pal.

[_JB_]

I don't want a Vette because they are WAY to common around here. Hell, you will even see them driving in the winter with 6ft of snow. I see at least 5 Vette EVERY day, and maybe 1 LS1 4th gens a week. I have been trying to get a 00-02 TA for about 7 years now. I currently have a great job that I can afford one, and I hate the fact that people always say they are a "POS". I love them in everyway.
I hate the "Vette mentality" that think their car is superior, which is almost every Vette owner I come accross.
My dad used to have an orignal 1968 4 speed BB427 (was the second owner, had it for about 12 years), when I was growing up. I liked it alot, and then he sold it about 7 years ago. He says he will never own another Vette again because of their attitudes.

[blackSS01]

You guys were trying to say Camaros are a POS with a great engine.That's an insult-don't make insults if you don't mean it and don't debate things if you're gonna get insulted yourself.Apparently you did-notice my last post where I said I never meant the Camaro was the best handling....etc. What do you expect to hear from people on a site like this?That we hate our cars?Alot of what you had to say was true-just keep the insults to yourself.You think anybody over at Ferrari.com is saying it's a great engine but a POS body or something-what kinda response do think that's gonna get?Ya go take your bat and your ball and go sulk on home.Seems your ego needs to be checked--pal.


Could not have put it better myself.

[TGrits10]

I hate the "Vette mentality" that think their car is superior, which is almost every Vette owner I come accross.

But....:think:....it IS superior....:dunno:

[_JB_]

But....:think:....it IS superior....:dunno:
To the owners, but how does it match up to like a Lamborghini?

[TGrits10]

To the owners, but how does it match up to like a Lamborghini?

Huh?

Of course lambos, especially the new ones, kick the crap out of vettes...so the owners can go ahead and think their lambo is superior to a vette...because it is. By the same token, a vette is superior to a Z28...so vette owners can think so without being wrong.

However, I think what you're talking about is the attitude. A vette is better than a Z28, but that does not mean a vette driver is better than a Z driver, or that a Z is necessarily totally unworthy. Anyone with an expensive sports car is susceptible to that feeling, wrong as it may be.

[_JB_]

Huh?

Of course lambos, especially the new ones, kick the crap out of vettes...so the owners can go ahead and think their lambo is superior to a vette...because it is. By the same token, a vette is superior to a Z28...so vette owners can think so without being wrong.

However, I think what you're talking about is the attitude. A vette is better than a Z28, but that does not mean a vette driver is better than a Z driver, or that a Z is necessarily totally unworthy. Anyone with an expensive sports car is susceptible to that feeling, wrong as it may be.

Yep, totally agree with ya.

[01vette]

ok my brother has a 99 f body i got a 01 vette- i drove his car more then a few times - and i can tell you that yea the camaro ss has that bad ass look to it while the vette is more flowing with its looks- but "i" like the looks of the vette better cause even still i look at the car from time to time and say wow what a beautiful car-
also it just sounds alot better if you say vette then camaro when some one askes you what car you got .- ok other then looks the vettes alot easier to drive ( not as bumpy) and its pretty confy and roomy ( im 6'2 ) - as for racing i beat more then enough ss ws6's and what not to say they are deff not faster stock for stock. and also the power is alot smoother in the vette then the camaro -- im not even gonna get into handling-- and yea vettes insurance is also cheaper - now the camaro is a funn car to drive and all and its still pretty fast but if you could get in a vette go for it-

[01vette]

I don't want a Vette because they are WAY to common around here. Hell, you will even see them driving in the winter with 6ft of snow. I see at least 5 Vette EVERY day, and maybe 1 LS1 4th gens a week. I have been trying to get a 00-02 TA for about 7 years now. I currently have a great job that I can afford one, and I hate the fact that people always say they are a "POS". I love them in everyway.
I hate the "Vette mentality" that think their car is superior, which is almost every Vette owner I come accross.
My dad used to have an orignal 1968 4 speed BB427 (was the second owner, had it for about 12 years), when I was growing up. I liked it alot, and then he sold it about 7 years ago. He says he will never own another Vette again because of their attitudes.

i cant even count the number of f bodys i see a day - sure they might not be ss or ws6's but theres still f bodys-
and about the vette atitude it just depends on the people iv met more then enough nice vette owners when i was driving around in the camaro - it just depends on the person you run into. most people just dont know alot about there own cars soo of corse some 40 year old that just bought a vette from the dealer because it looks nice is gonna look down at a camaro or trans am because he has no idea what they have in there and what they can doo.

[RED02HAWK]

I own one because it's the fastest, funnest car I can afford at this time. Rest assured the moment I can afford to, I'll upgrade.

OK it looks good and has a great engine and tranny. It's also has the chassis rigidity of a 1982 z28. And that's the beginning of the long list of weaknesses. I mean c'mon power windows, ergonomics, stock suspension, to name a few. It was designed to be a cheap car with a big engine, and that's what it is, even today 20 years after it was designed.
Thats rediculous my car handles extremely well. There is a set of turns by my house with a recommended speed or 25 that i have taken at 70 and i raced a C5 through there and i totally beat him. Not that anything is wrong with a vette cause i do like them but F-bodies are good handleing cars and definately not a POS by anymeans. I have the 02 and had a 96 WS6 before this and i havent had a single problem with either one except for the window motor one time, thats it. Look man which ever you get just make sure you want it because the people posting on this already have their cars and wont be seen in yours so make sure you like the car you buy. SS or Vette both are good cars and either one can be made faster then the other with money. So which ever you chose have fun with it.

[GUSHER]

ALL OF YOU FORGOT SOMETHING :
VETTE PARTS HIGH PERF OR OEM¨: EXPENSIVE
FBODY PARTS HIGH PERF OR OEM : CHEAP
THAT WHAT I KNOW HOPE IT HELP

[blackSS01]

Your right.

[02z28ls1]

ALL OF YOU FORGOT SOMETHING :
VETTE PARTS HIGH PERF OR OEM¨: EXPENSIVE
FBODY PARTS HIGH PERF OR OEM : CHEAP
THAT WHAT I KNOW HOPE IT HELP
Vette tires are run-flats=expensive+ directional=can't rotate front to rear or side to side (without dismounting=pain in the butt).Conclusion =another disadvantage except for the wealthy.

[Mason 71]

I really appreciate you guys replying to my thread, it has helped me.

[cyeagle]

Apples :think: oranges
WTF get over it guys
Drove my brothers C5 2 yrs ago, rather have my SS, just my .02

[_JB_]

i cant even count the number of f bodys i see a day - sure they might not be ss or ws6's but theres still f bodys-
and about the vette atitude it just depends on the people iv met more then enough nice vette owners when i was driving around in the camaro - it just depends on the person you run into. most people just dont know alot about there own cars soo of corse some 40 year old that just bought a vette from the dealer because it looks nice is gonna look down at a camaro or trans am because he has no idea what they have in there and what they can doo.

That's what I would think of too, except when they start to make remarks like, "You're just a kid (I'm 20), what do you know about these cars? Nothing." Kinda beats ya down huh. I've met more ricers with better attitudes than vette owners.

[TGrits10]

That's what I would think of too, except when they start to make remarks like, "You're just a kid (I'm 20), what do you know about these cars? Nothing." Kinda beats ya down huh. I've met more ricers with better attitudes than vette owners.

If ya can't beat em....join 'em :beer3:

[01vette]

Thats rediculous my car handles extremely well. There is a set of turns by my house with a recommended speed or 25 that i have taken at 70 and i raced a C5 through there and i totally beat him. .


thats just because you had more balls then him - not many people would push there car around to its limits or wanna risk getting hurt

[02z28ls1]

or the vette sucked and the Camaro ruled

[skar]

For a nice day only cruiser I would go with the vette.
If it was my only ride go with the SS

[Fast95Bird]

i say...steal both of them and which ever one gets you farthest away from the cops, keep that one.. :tv:

[bww3588]

your all forgetting the most important thing. F bodies and vettes are the baddest cars chevrolet ever produced. regards to the chevelle but it wasent made past what 74? but it all comes down to what YOU like. not what every joe on the www thinks about either. i say sit the cars side by side, drive both, romp on both, then take a day or two to think it over and decide. remeber folks, vette=chevrolet camaro=chevrolet. one way or another your getting a damn nice car that not much on the street can touch.

[02z28ls1]

:approved: :werd: your all forgetting the most important thing. F bodies and vettes are the baddest cars chevrolet ever produced. regards to the chevelle but it wasent made past what 74? but it all comes down to what YOU like. not what every joe on the www thinks about either. i say sit the cars side by side, drive both, romp on both, then take a day or two to think it over and decide. remeber folks, vette=chevrolet camaro=chevrolet. one way or another your getting a damn nice car that not much on the street can touch.

[Mason 71]

enough said... Thanks a lot for the words guys!

[Zboner]

they technically never stoped making the chevelle, it was cinsidered a Malibu also, so anyway that you take it i guess.

[bww3588]

they technically never stoped making the chevelle, it was cinsidered a Malibu also, so anyway that you take it i guess.
yeah but what happend to the 'bu? it turned into the montecarlo. or the carlo was modeled after it. and the 'bu became a family type car after 74 or so anyways. the only true pony/muscle cars to make it through chevrolets ups and downs was the camaro and 'vette. the 'bu was a joke anyways after the chevelle tag droped off it.:buttkick: but your right its anyway you take it. the only thing left now is the 'vette.

[Zboner]

yep i agree it did turn into a joke, i auctually think the chevelle name was not droped till lik 77ish, it was turned into the Chevelle Languna or something, i couls be wrong though.

and thats sad that the vett is the only one left, and way out of mosts peoples price range.

[sixstringsandharleys]

you don't need handling to run a 1/4 mile strip

[bww3588]

yep i agree it did turn into a joke, i auctually think the chevelle name was not droped till lik 77ish, it was turned into the Chevelle Languna or something, i couls be wrong though.

and thats sad that the vett is the only one left, and way out of mosts peoples price range.
its very sad, and it took writing this to realize how sad it was. i mean chevrolet was on top of the muscle car game all the way till 2002. when they lost the camaro it was over. nothing left to compete with the mustang. from day 1 in 1967 the camaro was a born 'stang killer. and it seems like chevrolet just gave up when they had ford by the balls. in 2002 the only mustang that could outrun the Z28 or SS was the 45k Cobra R. and it took a supercharger on a DOHC motor to make what the SS can make with headers and in intake on a pushrod motor.:lmao:

[Ws6ramair]

You can't go wrong with the Vette. i have a 99 WS6 Trans Am, my buddy has a 2000 Vette; The ride is like night and day. My car actually has a little more power, but his car rides like a Caddilac compared to mine. If I had a choice I'd take the Vette.

[sixstringsandharleys]

the isn't anything wrong with the quality of a camaro my brother has owned about 15 camaros from 67 to 02 and he has enjoyed everyone of them and is always looking for another one. i guess if you think chevy does such a bad job why don't you go buy a ford and be really disappionted

[Ws6ramair]

You may have gotten the wrong guy. In my opinion GM rules, I do have a WS6 TA. I love my car to death, however, the fact is, Vettes ride better than F Bodies. Not the F Bodies ride bad, Vettes just ride better. You know, that hole independent rear suspension vs. solid axle deal.

[Zboner]

oh i forgot the SSR, but that thing pretty dropped off the face of the earth didnt it?

[_JB_]

oh i forgot the SSR, but that thing pretty dropped off the face of the earth didnt it?

lol, yeah. Yet another GM failure.

[bww3588]

lol, yeah. Yet another GM failure.
its a sad attempt to bring back the old 53 style truck. too bad its like all the other GM proudcts now that are worth a damn, overpriced.

[quicky06]

get the ss

yes vettes are great but they cost to much, the insurance costs to much, they are more expensive to take care of jsut because its a vette.

ys the handlings great and its lighter, but unless you have a second car fo a daily driver your goin to hate that vette. you cant fit a damn thing in it. and it gets annoying driving it around all the time. if i could aford it i would get a vette and a f250 with a diesel but i cant so i got a camaro. i would never drive te vette in the winter, or probly not the rain because i would have to get rid of all the horible hard water spots afterwards.

the ss is more bang for the buck in the long run

[Brianss1]

I just sold my 99 FRC Vette and bought 01 WS6 that has a cam and head package on it and a complete BMR moly suspension with a 12 bolt.3:73.I loved that vette but I think I will get more use out of the WS6.

[Hark_Z]

It is very suprising how many people are firm believer's of how the ss's and ws6's are faster than the base vette's. I mean a regular TA or z28 pretty much can/often do dyno just about the same as ss's/ws6's. From what I've seen, vettes typically dyno more than f-bodies, and weigh less.. this just seems silly. I'm not denying that some f-bodies will dyno more from the factory and be faster than vettes but it just seems like a lot of people are coming out and boldy saying that the f-bodies are faster. I just don't see it. Plus it is a given that the vette handles better. I am way more accustomed to riding in f-bodies than vettes so I can't really give too many personal experiences with the ride of a vette, but I have heard more than enough to believe that a vette rides altogether better. I would say generally that an f-body would cost less for insurance and be a more practical daily driver. I love both f-bodies and vettes to death and they are both great cars. I guess it just depends on your income, personal preference, and what you look for in your car.. Me personally, I am completely obsessed with f-bodies and my vote goes for the ss. :bounce:

[TGrits10]

--Vette is faster because it weighs 250lb less, engines tend to make a bit more power but that's cancelled out by the slightly greater losses through the transaxle/IRS setup.

--Ride is a wash, vette doesn't have as much suspension travel (because it sits so low) so it needs to be stiffer, but the frame is SO much stiffer that once again...it pretty much cancels out.

-- Vette cockpit is roomier for the front seats, rear seats obviously don't exist...so fbody wins points for being able to toss crap into the back seat/footwells. The cargo area under the hatch is surprisingly large in the Vette, something like 15 cubic feet without even obstructing rear view, 20+ if you stack to the ceiling. And it's all in one space, not hacked up awkwardly like in the Fbody. From my experience, the Vette is preferable for day-to-day stuff (backpack, duffel bags, shopping bags, golf clubs, other random items), but if you're really cramming it full (heading home for the summer), the Fbody ends up gaining an advantage from the flip-down back seats. If you're tossing in 4 sets of golf clubs, with the Vette you just toss 'em in; in the Fbody you have to put two in the back seats, slide one carefully into the rear well, and squeeze the last one in diagonally on that flat area behind the seats. Just an example.

--Insurance is cheaper on the Vette. Look it up, I'm not lying. Vettes crash less often because they aren't primarily owned by aggressive 20-something-yr-olds (that's us...though I haven't crashed...yet...??).

--Overall, yeah the Fbody probably ends being more bang for the buck, as it's still wicked fast, handles and rides well enough, looks cool, etc....but the extra money for a Vette is eminently worth it, IMO.

I guess it just depends on your income, personal preference, and what you look for in your car...
--Yeah, but it still amazes me how often people choose the Fbody when the cost isn't a big factor.

[Hark_Z]

I'm curious to see what you went with Mason??

What exactly is the magic age gonna be to where the vette gets cheaper for insurance than an f-body?!. I'm 18 and would love to have an early 90's/LT4 vette rather than my '94 z28.. :drivin:

[Zboner]

god luck on the LT4 not many out there, and i dont want to know how much they cost

[Hark_Z]

I meant LT1 vette, guess I was dreamin LT4.. A lot more for insurance for me? I wanted to know what you guys think, I'm afraid to get a quote..

[TGrits10]

I meant LT1 vette, guess I was dreamin LT4.. A lot more for insurance for me? I wanted to know what you guys think, I'm afraid to get a quote..

Don't be scared, get a quote, you'll be pleasantly surprised. I had just turned 21 and had at least one ticket on my record when I bought the C5; insurance was ~$750/6mos. Though that's likely lower than you'd get because I piggybacked onto my parents' policy. I got a quote from USAA (cheaper insurance for military) and it was like $800/6mos for me, no family/fleet rate or anything. All of this was for Fort Lauderdale, and insurance is usually pretty high in sofla...or any urban area for that matter.

[Redbull]

i would get a vette. but depends on milage and shape of both cars.

[RaSScal]

At 19 you probably have many friends and nothing looks dumber than 3 people in a Vette, which WILL happen with a two seater. Buy the SS.

[Hark_Z]

I don't wanna get flamed for this but LT1 f-bodies tend to fall apart..and mine has for sure. How are the vettes in terms of quality?? (from someone who has experience)

[Zboner]

everything falls apart if you dont take care of it

[ZedTwoEight]

The two criteria offered by the original poster for our consideration were:1) Depreciation 2) Insurance
The only right answer: Corvette! what's wrong with you people??!!!

[TGrits10]

The two criteria offered by the original poster for our consideration were:1) Depreciation 2) Insurance
The only right answer: Corvette! what's wrong with you people??!!!

:werd:

[CamaroCrazyChris]

Gee... Where do I begine??? Lets start with insurance, There are a couple of loop holes you can look for, I dont know which insurance is cheaper but I can tell you that if you already have something like a beater for a daily driver then you are in great luck. You can list that vehicle as the primary car on your policy and pay not shit for it since its a beater that isnt a sports car, has only 4 or 6 cylinders, and has 4 doors hopefully, then you can list the Vette or Camaro as a pleasure vehicle and your insurance policy for the Camaro or Vette litteraly drops in half. I do this with my Camaro and Silverado. OK.... If I had the money to spend I would definately like to own a Vette while im young, Lets face it if you have the money now to buy a Vette then you should almost always have the money to buy a Camaro, not too many people under the age of 35 can afford a Vette, for this reason I would pick the Vette. If your looking to mod the car of your choice then the F-Body is the winner hands down due to its mass production and popularity of the aftermarket suppliers. You can mod a F-Body in 10X more areas than you could with a Vette and you can do it way cheaper.
Bottom line is you almost have to put every personal opinion that was stated in this discussion in the trash and realy just look at the facts that were mentioned about the two, After that you need to make your own dicision, You will only be truely happy with what you pick and not what people tell you to pick. That being said... Best of luck to you and hope your happy with what you choose.
However..... I think if you turn 35 and buy your fist Vette then, You might tell yourself I wish I would have.....