02 WS6 vs Cobra

[Ws6 Love]

well my first lost... :brick: , heading home from dinner, and a blue cobra pulls up next to me, and ive always wanted to run a cobra just to see how fast they are, its a 2 lane road and 2 slow cars infront of us, once it opened up to 3 lanes and were going about 40 and i speed past the slow cars and he does the same and gets right next to me.. so now we have the open roads ahead, were going about 40 and since im still newb i go to 3rd instead of second, so we both gun it at the sametime, and by about 90-95 he had about a car on me when he shut down, im bone stock by the way..

[Danger731]

nice death post :newbie:

[breakparts]

WORDS OF WISDOM-dont race terminators if your bone stock
__________________________________________________ _________.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^and thats the bottom line
I RACED ONE WHEN I WAS BONE STOCK-AND I WOULD HAVE LOST IF IT WASNT A CHICK BOUNCING THE REV LIMITER IN 3 GEARS

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

Make sure you use the right gear next time. I'm guessing he wasn't a term seeing he only had a car on you in that gear unless he didn't grab the right gear either.

[breakparts]

Well The Way To Tell- Some Dude In Another Thread Said ( Listen For The Screaming Baby Under The Hood)

[GottaHaveLS1]

well my first lost... :brick: , heading home from dinner, and a blue cobra pulls up next to me, and ive always wanted to run a cobra just to see how fast they are, its a 2 lane road and 2 slow cars infront of us, once it opened up to 3 lanes and were going about 40 and i speed past the slow cars and he does the same and gets right next to me.. so now we have the open roads ahead, were going about 40 and since im still newb i go to 3rd instead of second, so we both gun it at the sametime, and by about 90-95 he had about a car on me when he shut down, im bone stock by the way..

if ur doin less than 50 mph, put it in second

[Ws6 Love]

if ur doin less than 50 mph, put it in second

yeah i realize that now, thanks lol , ive just been driving auto for the first 2 years of my driving life

[Stangfreak91]

nice death....can't win them all.

[Ws6 Love]

nice death....can't win them all.

NEVER! i must win them all! i will be the fastest ws6 ever! :hide:

[kenny]

i beat a 03 cobra when i was bone stock i took him buy 2 cars

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

Probably wasn't a terminator like Hot Black stated but good run....40 roll in a auto would have been even worse(dead spot).

[breakparts]

stock camaro with an auto will get spanked really bad by a terminator bone stock--the m6 has a better chance to pull if he can drive good

[preston1980]

i beat a 03 cobra when i was bone stock i took him buy 2 cars

Really? Was he actually racing? If so, thats a good kill.

[Pythias]

i beat a 03 cobra when i was bone stock i took him buy 2 cars

Must've been a 6 banger with dual exhaust....

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

It's like yesterday when this punk ass kid in a grand-am thought I was racing him when the light turned green. He was giving that piece of crap all it had. I got sick of it and punched it. The look on his face was priceless when I just left him there like he was standing still. I don't think he'll try that again. Now he knows what happens if a TA tries to race. If I didn't punch it he would have thought he was able to keep up to me in a race! I don't know how many other times people thought I was racing and that they won when I wasn't even trying to race. If I'm first in line at a light I usually take a bit of good a take off that I guess is better or just as good as the average car at full go.

[YoMommasTA]

Really? Was he actually racing? If so, thats a good kill.dam you got a hot avatar!If thats your girlf you a lucky man!

[djvaly]

hot avatar, can you switch to the front please.. more interesting ;)
yeah, Cobras with a pulley and a good tune can do 360s rwhp.. u need a little more bolts on than that for ls1 to hang with it. more like lid+filter, full exhaust + a tune.

[blue02Z]

Make sure you use the right gear next time. I'm guessing he wasn't a term seeing he only had a car on you in that gear unless he didn't grab the right gear either.

i have to agree. didnt they make the cobra in '01 but naturally aspirated?? could of been one of them. '03 or '04 would have been playin with you. especially after you grabbed 3rd at 40. nice death tho, now you know of what to expect...kinda

[Pythias]

Cobra in 99 and 01 NA And 96-98 were about the same in power.

[Musclefan21]

03/04 cobras will beat any LS1 all day!! they are simply faster (stock for stock)
you lost by about one car?? you should be happy with that.. cuz he should have put at least 2-3 cars!

[ace]

I took an 03 cobra with my 88 Iroc!!!!Of course the Iroc has a 383 min-ram with AFR 195 heads. I pulled him by at least 3 to 4 cars to my surprise!!All I could here was the whining of the charger as i pulled away from a 30 roll. We went at it three times with the same result!!

[djvaly]

good kill.

[Pythias]

03/04 cobras will beat any LS1 all day!! they are simply faster (stock for stock)
you lost by about one car?? you should be happy with that.. cuz he should have put at least 2-3 cars!

Wasn't a Terminator.

[djvaly]

what's a terminator? give year and spec of engine/ mods/..

[Pythias]

03/04 Cobra. 4.6li 4 valve supercharged engine 6 speed manual, with a decent drive 12's stock. 1k in mods, re-tune, sticky tires, 11's. They are fast stock, and with a little money, yes just a little, they are 11's easily. And as we all know.... there's prolly 5% of them that are still left stock :ughlaugh:

With Full exhaust (stock one is very restrictive) a diff pulley and a few other little odds and ends totalling around 1k$, (I have the issue of Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords if you want all the specifics) and a tune they easily put down 400rwhp+ 400rwt++

[preston1980]

what's a terminator? give year and spec of engine/ mods/..

Im a Terminator.

That was an interesting question, I was once on a Mustang Site and they asked me:
"Whats an F-body?"

People just assume others know what they know, and usually they dont.

[stevegrizzle]

did you say someting, all i see is ass......wow......sure ya terminate it

[djvaly]

ahh, the Cobras. 03-04. u call them terminatorz ;)
they are nice, supercharged. but I'd rather spend 4k on a supercharger for my f-body, they look more attractive and u can do easily 400rwhp stock with the supercharger alone.. I respect the corbras too, they have a nice platform to add mods on..

[Pythias]

Well not all cobras are the same. only the 03-04's were supercharged from the factory. He was prolly beat by either a 96-98 or 99 or 01 naturally aspirated as he went to the wrong gear and was ONLY put on by 1-2lengths. Also for 4k does that include all the proper fuel management systems, tune, rear end rebuild (I mean come on how long is that stock one going to hold out, I have heard many people say themselves the stock one is weak) How long would the stock tranny last? What about the motor? and everything you would need to reliably run a supercharger? ;) If so, props. But I would think EVERYTHING installed and tuned professionally would run much more..........

[ZAPFOOL!!]

I respect the corbras too, they have a nice platform to add mods on..

thats pretty much anything with boost

[djvaly]

Well not all cobras are the same. only the 03-04's were supercharged from the factory. He was prolly beat by either a 96-98 or 99 or 01 naturally aspirated as he went to the wrong gear and was ONLY put on by 1-2lengths. Also for 4k does that include all the proper fuel management systems, tune, rear end rebuild (I mean come on how long is that stock one going to hold out, I have heard many people say themselves the stock one is weak) How long would the stock tranny last? What about the motor? and everything you would need to reliably run a supercharger? ;) If so, props. But I would think EVERYTHING installed and tuned professionally would run much more..........

that's right the blower for 4k and a some 2k for 12 bolt rear just in case,,
it all depends how u drive it, if u launch hard very often then the stock rear is good upto like 400rwhp. after that u may brake it if u launch hard enough times,, the tranny is ok to 450rwhp I'd be ok with stock A4, but yeah a good tune is required, an if u look at my sig, I would definetely get a new tranny
after the heads/cam to have a good platform for the blower later on,,
ps. I already have the SFC's but I need the 12 bolt ;),, I'll slap 2k on it I think, arrrrhh, expensive crap.

[Pythias]

that's right the blower for 4k and a some 2k for 12 bolt rear just in case,,
it all depends how u drive it, if u launch hard very often then the stock rear is good upto like 400rwhp. after that u may brake it if u launch hard enough times,, the tranny is ok to 450rwhp I'd be ok with stock A4, but yeah a good tune is required, an if u look at my sig, I would definetely get a new tranny
after the heads/cam to have a good platform for the blower later on,,
ps. I already have the SFC's but I need the 12 bolt ;),, I'll slap 2k on it I think, arrrrhh, expensive crap.

Nice, some more reasons of why I am selling both my Mustangs and most likely getting an LS1 next, :yup: Although I found a SWEET deal on a 93 fox body with a 347, very clean, no rust, everything basically eprfect more or less for 8500, and I am considering that.... only thing no T-tops. :(

[djvaly]

put 4k more and u can get a 99-00 TA for 12k @ 55k mi,,, it would be stock most likely but u have the next few years to shape it up.. I think of LS1 platform like a lego game, just add in what u want and get out a beast car.
;)

[Pythias]

Yeah, this is true but I am pretty partial to Camaro's.... can't really say why, but I favor them for some reason Here's a link to that hatchback though.... http://corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=852026

Hard to beat then when chances are with a diff cam she'll put down over 400rwhp and be daily driveable.

[djvaly]

clean car, there must have been an engine swap.. do a carfax.com on that vin and see wassup? any accidents etc.. the price is not bad

[Pythias]

Clean title, no wrecks, obviosuly it's a diff engine lol it's a 347 lol. And yeah I was figuring the same thing.... only thing it needs is some better brakes, prolly do a dif exhaust (long tubes X=pipe and freer flowing catback a diff cam and a tune then it would be perfect) but like he said, as it sits everything is fine. Of course its such a great deal I might not get my stuff sold in time.... we will see.

[kenny]

no i talk to the guy after the race and i look at his car both car bone stock

[Pythias]

no i talk to the guy after the race and i look at his car both car bone stock

Sorry I'm allergic to bullshit. :Puke:


No stock LS1 Camaro or Trans am will be able to hang with an 03/04 Cobra much less beat it by 2 car lengths. :ughlaugh:

[djvaly]

Sorry I'm allergic to bullshit. :Puke:


No stock LS1 Camaro or Trans am will be able to hang with an 03/04 Cobra much less beat it by 2 car lengths. :ughlaugh:

I agree. matbe hang with it.. like them rare ws6 factory monster stock ones.. it can happen, maybe with a good tune, but beat them cobra 03/04 stock.. i highly doubt. check the year maybe 01 cobras u beat stock.. which u should ;)

[Pythias]

Yeah but he said he was stock to though so no tune or anythin. He could hang with it if the driver missed a shift, but not otherwise. And Yes if it was an 01 Cobra there's a possibility there as those were only rated at 320 I believe? Or the 99 Cobra of course.

[BlwnCamaro]

Sorry I'm allergic to bullshit. :Puke:


No stock LS1 Camaro or Trans am will be able to hang with an 03/04 Cobra much less beat it by 2 car lengths. :ughlaugh:

Bullshit bro i've raced 3 terminators with mixed results. I've been beat a few times by only a car and won a few times from a dig in my 98 camaro with only free mods. My camaro runs 12.90 at 110. A stock ls1 can "hang" with a terminator. Which is sad for the terminator cause they are supercharged and an ls1 is only na. The terminator is faster than most stock ls1's but to say the ls1 wont hang is bs bro.

[LS1Power06]

hot avatar, can you switch to the front please.. more interesting ;)
yeah, Cobras with a pulley and a good tune can do 360s rwhp.. u need a little more bolts on than that for ls1 to hang with it. more like lid+filter, full exhaust + a tune.

03-04 cobras put down 360rwhp average stock. with borla catback, K&N FIPK II, Bassani off road XPipe, and on a stock tune i put down 417rwhp/382rwtq. he COULD of beat a terminator if it had some chitty tires and just spun because i used to spin at any roll in 2nd.

[djvaly]

03-04 cobras put down 360rwhp average stock. with borla catback, K&N FIPK II, Bassani off road XPipe, and on a stock tune i put down 417rwhp/382rwtq. he COULD of beat a terminator if it had some chitty tires and just spun because i used to spin at any roll in 2nd.

yeah a 03/04 Corbra with a supercharger pulley upgrade and a tune gets 400rwhp easy,, the new pulley will spin the blower like crazy and can add upto 40rwhp.. but I disagree with the claim that stock put down 360rwhp, it's more like 335-340rwhp.. take 15% off for loss on M6 and 18% for A4 having 390 hp at flywheel.

[Pythias]

yeah a 03/04 Corbra with a supercharger pulley upgrade and a tune gets 400rwhp easy,, the new pulley will spin the blower like crazy and can add upto 40rwhp.. but I disagree with the claim that stock put down 360rwhp, it's more like 335-340rwhp.. take 15% off for loss on M6 and 18% for A4 having 390 hp at flywheel.

Cobra's don't come in auto................ They never have.

Bullshit bro i've raced 3 terminators with mixed results. I've been beat a few times by only a car and won a few times from a dig in my 98 camaro with only free mods. My camaro runs 12.90 at 110. A stock ls1 can "hang" with a terminator. Which is sad for the terminator cause they are supercharged and an ls1 is only na. The terminator is faster than most stock ls1's but to say the ls1 wont hang is bs bro.

I'd have to see it to believe it.

[preston1980]

yeah a 03/04 Corbra with a supercharger pulley upgrade and a tune gets 400rwhp easy,, the new pulley will spin the blower like crazy and can add upto 40rwhp.. but I disagree with the claim that stock put down 360rwhp, it's more like 335-340rwhp.. take 15% off for loss on M6 and 18% for A4 having 390 hp at flywheel.

remember 03/04 cobras were very under rated. They put down 350-370 rear wheel horse consistanly. Which means they really have 425- 430 hp at the motor from the factory, not 390. The Ls1 is also underated, it really has around 350 horse, not 325 as its rated in the ram air model.

But a stock for stock race is always going to go to the cobras, the numbers are to far apart to be a drivers race. 03 Cobra will run 12.8 all day long with an average driver and 12.6 with a good driver. The 02 WS6 or SS Camaro will run 13.4 all day long and 13.2 with a good driver. Of course MMFF got the 03 Cobra to a 12.4 bone stock, and High performance pontiac got a bone stock 02 WS6 to a 12.9. Those were perfect conditons and factory freak cars. So the Cobra wins period, Once mods start the story can always change. A KNN and lid and catback exhaust and a tune, A WS6 will beat a stock Cobra. Do the same mods to a Terminator and it will rape a WS6.

[djvaly]

remember 03/04 cobras were very under rated. They put down 350-370 rear wheel horse consistanly. Which means they really have 425- 430 hp at the motor from the factory, not 390. The Ls1 is also underated, it really has around 350 horse, not 325 as its rated in the ram air model.

But a stock for stock race is always going to go to the cobras, the numbers are to far apart to be a drivers race. 03 Cobra will run 12.8 all day long with an average driver and 12.6 with a good driver. The 02 WS6 or SS Camaro will run 13.4 all day long and 13.2 with a good driver. Of course MMFF got the 03 Cobra to a 12.4 bone stock, and High performance pontiac got a bone stock 02 WS6 to a 12.9. Those were perfect conditons and factory freak cars. So the Cobra wins period, Once mods start the story can always change. A KNN and lid and catback exhaust and a tune, A WS6 will beat a stock Cobra. Do the same mods to a Terminator and it will rape a WS6.
the 03/04 Cobras are notorious, no question there.. but they are more expensve than LS1, so if I saved 4k by buying LS1, there's a lot of mods I can put on a TA with that 4k and come out better times than stock Cobra.
it also depends on the driver etc.. iz all good.

[preston1980]

the 03/04 Cobras are notorious, no question there.. but they are more expensve than LS1, so if I saved 4k by buying LS1, there's a lot of mods I can put on a TA with that 4k and come out better times than stock Cobra.
it also depends on the driver etc.. iz all good.

All very true. But I got a 12k miles car that was an 03 model and a better rear end and a 6 speed and better cornering and great power for $25,000
I think it was good deal. But I see your point, one can pick up a LS1 with 50k miles on it for around $16,000 and drop $9,000 in it and have a monster of a car. Good point.:true:

[djvaly]

All very true. But I got a 12k miles car that was an 03 model and a better rear end and a 6 speed and better cornering and great power for $25,000
I think it was good deal. But I see your point, one can pick up a LS1 with 50k miles on it for around $16,000 and drop $9,000 in it and have a monster of a car. Good point.:true:

I bought mine 55k on it 12.5k out of the door, hehheh. hussling for the price wasn't easy but I guess the guy's sales were low that whole season. ;)

[stevegrizzle]

I got mine with 33k for 9500.....

[preston1980]

I got mine with 33k for 9500.....

Those are good prices, You both did well on them. I have found that the Z28 cars are usaully cheaper than the Trans AMs. And the SS is cheaper than the WS6. I believe the MSRP on the cars new were less than $2,000 apart, but now the cars have grown futher apart in price. Dont know why?

Either way the cars are great deals. But its getting harder to find them, especially with low miles.

[djvaly]

very true, TA ans WS6 are slightly more expensive.. and yeah they are getting more rare nowadays with low miles, especially the black colored ones.. everybody seem to want a black colored on with TTops... most of us anyways ;)

[preston1980]

very true, TA ans WS6 are slightly more expensive.. and yeah they are getting more rare nowadays with low miles, especially the black colored ones.. everybody seem to want a black colored on with TTops... most of us anyways ;)

Ya, I had a Green 93, a red 97, a white 98, and a pewter 99, I always wanted a Black WS6 6 speed, and I would get powder coated white wheels and white emblems and the back PONTIAC in white with a white firebird in the back glass.

Some people think that is a stupid color combo, but I love it.

[djvaly]

good deal bro. ;)

[2000 S6]

Really? Was he actually racing? If so, thats a good kill.

please remove my wife from your avatar
lol

[fast enough Z28]

I hate to admit but I was in my friends stock 03 cobra and he spanked a z06. It sucks how good they run. Oh well there still a cumstang!!!

[djvaly]

I hate to admit but I was in my friends stock 03 cobra and he spanked a z06. It sucks how good they run. Oh well there still a cumstang!!!

very possible, but that's a '02 c5 Z06 (ls6 motor), 400 at flywheel

[LS1Power06]

very possible, but that's a '02 c5 Z06 (ls6 motor), 400 at flywheel

C5Z06s are also about 500lbs lighter than the 03-04 Cobras too though.

[preston1980]

I hate to admit but I was in my friends stock 03 cobra and he spanked a z06. It sucks how good they run. Oh well there still a cumstang!!!

Why do you hate to admit it?

And its Mustang, not Cumstang, or Slowbra or Mustake or any of the Auto slurs we all like to use. There are plenty of them for the F bodies as well, but we wont get into that.:shrug: :thumbup: :chuckles:

[fast enough Z28]

Because I hate when any ford beats a chevy. Actually I hate when a rice burner beats any domestic, and I'll call the stang whatever i want.

[djvaly]

C5Z06s are also about 500lbs lighter than the 03-04 Cobras too though.

true that. they are hard to beat. for stock Cobra they need maybe sticky tires and a new shift kit and the Cobra is there next to c5 zo6 stock vs stock,

[BlwnCamaro]

true that. they are hard to beat. for stock Cobra they need maybe sticky tires and a new shift kit and the Cobra is there next to c5 zo6 stock vs stock,


Dude I don't know what planet your from but the C5 Z06 has been beating the 03-04 Cobras stock for stock since they came out. I'm pretty sure everybody already knows that. Furthermore the Z06 is doing it naturally aspirated. Besides tires and shift kit isn't stock,and the cobra is a manual trans so you cant put a "shift kit", unless you meant short throw shifter. But the cobra would still need more than that, even a moderately piloted z06 is good for low 12s at sea level with some seeing high 11's.

[djvaly]

Dude I don't know what planet your from but the C5 Z06 has been beating the 03-04 Cobras stock for stock since they came out. I'm pretty sure everybody already knows that. Furthermore the Z06 is doing it naturally aspirated. Besides tires and shift kit isn't stock,and the cobra is a manual trans so you cant put a "shift kit", unless you meant short throw shifter. But the cobra would still need more than that, even a moderately piloted z06 is good for low 12s at sea level with some seeing high 11's.

dude, read the post again and u see I say C5 Z06 beats Cobras 03/04 stock vs stock, and that they (Cobras) would need a better shifter, sticky tires. perhaps a bolt on mod as well, to get to C5 Z06..
read carefully, Mars man ;)

[BlwnCamaro]

thats cool bro:yup:

[djvaly]

thats cool bro:yup:

hahhaha :flex: , hey I just got back from the club, umm , time to call it a day.

[preston1980]

Because I hate when any ford beats a chevy. Actually I hate when a rice burner beats any domestic, and I'll call the stang whatever i want.

Ok, but if u raced mine, you would have to call it "The winner"
I dont hate it when any car beats any car. If your faster, than your just faster and I respect any fast car, Foriegn or domestic.

[Pythias]

Because I hate when any ford beats a chevy. Actually I hate when a rice burner beats any domestic, and I'll call the stang whatever i want.

Your'e calling a Mustang a rice burner? You must be almost as ignorant as breakparts.

Only 12 posts to I see... you won't last long here, they don't have a high tolerance level for stupidity.

[snakebit]

Dude I don't know what planet your from but the C5 Z06 has been beating the 03-04 Cobras stock for stock since they came out. I'm pretty sure everybody already knows that. Furthermore the Z06 is doing it naturally aspirated. Besides tires and shift kit isn't stock,and the cobra is a manual trans so you cant put a "shift kit", unless you meant short throw shifter. But the cobra would still need more than that, even a moderately piloted z06 is good for low 12s at sea level with some seeing high 11's.

I cant help but notice that you mentioned the fact that Z06 is " doing it naturally aspirated" while that is true, I would like to point out the Cobra is doing what it does with only 281 Cubic inches compared to the Z06's how many :) Im not looking to start trouble here, but I will make points I think need to be made.

[preston1980]

I cant help but notice that you mentioned the fact that Z06 is " doing it naturally aspirated" while that is true, I would like to point out the Cobra is doing what it does with only 281 Cubic inches compared to the Z06's how many :) Im not looking to start trouble here, but I will make points I think need to be made.

This is true, the Cobra R is NA and puts down about the same horse as the terminator Cobras, Ford, just found a way to get 400 horsepower and still keep price down under $35k, The ZO6 and Cobra R are both way more expensive and get 400 horsepower just like the 03/04 Cobra.

[djvaly]

I cant help but notice that you mentioned the fact that Z06 is " doing it naturally aspirated" while that is true, I would like to point out the Cobra is doing what it does with only 281 Cubic inches compared to the Z06's how many :) Im not looking to start trouble here, but I will make points I think need to be made.

this point has been made many times on this board. don't worry about it,
when you race you bring what u have. ;)

[preston1980]

Dude I don't know what planet your from but the C5 Z06 has been beating the 03-04 Cobras stock for stock since they came out. I'm pretty sure everybody already knows that. Furthermore the Z06 is doing it naturally aspirated. Besides tires and shift kit isn't stock,and the cobra is a manual trans so you cant put a "shift kit", unless you meant short throw shifter. But the cobra would still need more than that, even a moderately piloted z06 is good for low 12s at sea level with some seeing high 11's.

The C5 ZO6 is a great car, but it only runs a mid to high 12 sec quarter mile, (12.5-12.8)consistantly, with street tires. The 03 Cobra will do a 12.7 to a 12.9 quarter consistantly. These numbers are very close.

MMFF got the Terminator to a 12.4 in there test, then the next month got a 12.7, with a head wind. GM high performance magazine got the 02 ZO6 to a 12.3, then 2 months later ran one to a 12.2, Most magazines got the ZO6 to an average of a 12.7. and the Cobra to a 12.9. One magazine I read could only get the ZO6 to a 13.1 and get the Cobra to a 13.2 in the same magazine.

My point is: with a good driver, alot is possible, and yes I have heard of a Stock C5 ZO6 to a 11.9, with Drag radials, I have also heard of timeslips of a stock 03 Cobra did a 12.1 with drag radials.

A few mods on either car will do a lot and give you the edge in the race.
EX: If a stock C5 ZO6 went against a slightly modded Cobra, with equal drivers, it would lose, by a car or so. When I say lightly modded, I mean a tune CAI and exhaust. Once you pulley a Terminator its over for th C5 Z, if its stock.:ar:

[djvaly]

don't u love the real world, we like theorize here a lot, but yeah generally speaking C5 Z06 will eat the snake. but it could be a drivers race, like that dude with a Z28 filter and cai, left a srt10 behind, what a freaking looser! I got me a new Viper, ay ay ay.. then after he got his teeth kicked in cause he can't drive his srt10 out of a parking lot, yeah I do like 'maros. ;)

[Pythias]

don't u love the real world, we like theorize here a lot, but yeah generally speaking C5 Z06 will eat the snake. but it could be a drivers race, like that dude with a Z28 filter and cai, left a srt10 behind, what a freaking looser! I got me a new Viper, ay ay ay.. then after he got his teeth kicked in cause he can't drive his srt10 out of a parking lot, yeah I do like 'maros. ;)

Not really. Stock for stock it is more of a driver's race than anything. A Zo6 EAT a snake? ONLY if the snake's driver couldn't drive. There's beating, and then there's wasting the shit out of it. Stock for stock a Zo6 will not put 10+ lengths on a Cobra, period. The eating will only occur if the Cobra owner can't drive.

[djvaly]

oh ya, not 10,, more like 5, but ur right the driver is half of the equation.

btw, what's a top speed on a Cobra.. 170? I think Z06 does 200 prob even more if you remove the speed limiter.

[snakebit]

This is true, the Cobra R is NA and puts down about the same horse as the terminator Cobras, Ford, just found a way to get 400 horsepower and still keep price down under $35k, The ZO6 and Cobra R are both way more expensive and get 400 horsepower just like the 03/04 Cobra.

not to mention what a grand or two at the MOST will get you on a blown 03/04 Cobra

[snakebit]

this point has been made many times on this board. don't worry about it,
when you race you bring what u have. ;)

that is very true my friend, you guys here seem very bright about this........unlike some other boards I have seen. I like it here :yup:

[djvaly]

not to mention what a grand or two at the MOST will get you on a blown 03/04 Cobra

03/04 come already supercharged, what was the "blower" part for 2 grands?
not sure I understand it, please explain. thanks.

[snakebit]

03/04 come already supercharged, what was the "blower" part for 2 grands?
not sure I understand it, please explain. thanks.

Sorry should have written it better :sorry: I ment that with VERY little in mods/ or money spent ( like a grand or two ) the gains on a Terminator are HUGE. For example the pulley change along with a hand held tuner will get you 70+rwhp and those items dont even require you to get your hands nasty, wont take more than half and hour to and hour to do. Plus with all the places that carry them now, you could probally catch a sale on the package and spend LESS than a grand for the entire thing....Programmer / Pulleys / Belt every thing you would need. Then of course you have the Coldair kits that range from like a 20rwhp bolt on to as much as 35rwhp ( I think thats the highest dyno test I have seen on those ) Of course those big gains come from the existing forced induction.

[djvaly]

agreed. when we start talking mods, there's many things one can do,
spray, blow, bolts on,, etc.. depends if it is ur daily driver etc,,
for me personally, I am doing all the bolts first, then put a procharger and aftercooler with it and end of game. 550rwhp 10 sec car.. ooh. I need a daily driver, I may get an S2000 leave it stock and punch it to work, they are nice little ricy, they get me around the city pretty fast.

[snakebit]

agreed. when we start talking mods, there's many things one can do,
spray, blow, bolts on,, etc.. depends if it is ur daily driver etc,,
for me personally, I am doing all the bolts first, then put a procharger and aftercooler with it and end of game. 550rwhp 10 sec car.. ooh. I need a daily driver, I may get an S2000 leave it stock and punch it to work, they are nice little ricy, they get me around the city pretty fast.

Yep thats true its just the Terminator makes it very easy to mod since you can do small simple things and get BIG gains in hp and tq. Hard to beat that kind of easy power :flex: .

I have done all the boltons im getting for my current stang, and I too am going with a procharger. Im getting mine the first of the new year when the tax man gives me my money back :nana: Stage 2 10psi for me :yup:

[djvaly]

the 03/04 comes with the supercharger on and is 22k+ usually,
a WS6 doesn't have the supercharger on but you get it for 17k at same miles as the the cobras 03/04. so the 5k difference I could put a supercharger and be at the same level. same thing.. and from that point on I can play on the TA small mods like u mention and get nice gains as well.
money buys power.

[pyro71985]

Putting a supercharger on a stock block LS1 is a ticking time bomb, I have seen more than 5 go from as little at 5psi and the most being 8psi.

The point is the 03/04 cobra is built from the factory...Ive seen people spend $2k on a lightley used KB or Whipple blower then throw a 50shot of nitrous on it along with the basic mods (exhaust and intake etc.) and hit around 700rwhp...

now show me how you can supercharge the LS1 (SAFELY) and run that kind of HP for. To do it safely you would have to buy a built shortblock..built tranny...and built rearend...all those come with the the cobra.

[Raoul-Duke]

Putting a supercharger on a stock block LS1 is a ticking time bomb, I have seen more than 5 go from as little at 5psi and the most being 8psi.

The point is the 03/04 cobra is built from the factory...Ive seen people spend $2k on a lightley used KB or Whipple blower then throw a 50shot of nitrous on it along with the basic mods (exhaust and intake etc.) and hit around 700rwhp...

now show me how you can supercharge the LS1 (SAFELY) and run that kind of HP for. To do it safely you would have to buy a built shortblock..built tranny...and built rearend...all those come with the the cobra.

absolutely right....for the money those cars are one of sickest things ever produced when it comes to performance

[djvaly]

Putting a supercharger on a stock block LS1 is a ticking time bomb, I have seen more than 5 go from as little at 5psi and the most being 8psi.

The point is the 03/04 cobra is built from the factory...Ive seen people spend $2k on a lightley used KB or Whipple blower then throw a 50shot of nitrous on it along with the basic mods (exhaust and intake etc.) and hit around 700rwhp...

now show me how you can supercharge the LS1 (SAFELY) and run that kind of HP for. To do it safely you would have to buy a built shortblock..built tranny...and built rearend...all those come with the the cobra.

vortech supercharger with aftercooler runs on stock LS1 block. 470flywheel..
they wouldn't sell if they were so bad for the engine. :dot:
then Cobra 03/04 has supercharger on it stock and claims 410flywheel, 390 is underrated.. so
put a aftercooler on the Cobra and you get the same power output... etc etc...

[Fedge]

Cobra in 99 and 01 NA And 96-98 were about the same in power.

96-98 305hp

99 320hp (if corrected intake and head issue done) and 01 had the issue fixed (that's why there was no 00) 320hp as well

and of course the Terms had 390/390

just FYI :D

[Fedge]

absolutely right....for the money those cars are one of sickest things ever produced when it comes to performance

yeah....the axles are about the only weak spot i've seen on them

bang for the buck definitely goes to the 03/04 Cobras

[djvaly]

yeah....the axles are about the only weak spot i've seen on them

bang for the buck definitely goes to the 03/04 Cobras

the rear end will need to replaced once reaching 450rwhp.. it depends how you drive it too, 10bolt becomes 12. ;)

[preston1980]

vortech supercharger with aftercooler runs on stock LS1 block. 470flywheel..
they wouldn't sell if they were so bad for the engine. :dot:

They sell alot of things that are bad for engines, like Nos for example.
I know form experiance that blowers do hurt the LT1 cars, 2 of my friends blew there LT1's with only 6 and 8 lbs of boost. One pro charger and one Vortech.
Not sure of the LS1 though.
I would imagine they also get damaged, because of the compression ratios of the 2 engines are similar. Ford lowered the Compression of the 03/04 Cobras alot to accomidate for the superchargers.

the rear end will need to replaced once reaching 450rwhp.. it depends how you drive it too, 10bolt becomes 12. ;)

The 8.8 inch rear in the Cobras is good enough to handle almost any amount of power. I have read of many 700 plus horsepower cars still runnig the 8.8 from th factory, just needs stronger half shafts, or some go to a solid rear axle, but still an 8.8 inch size.

Now the GM unit in the F body is a 7.5 or 7.65 inch rear end. It is weak and you will need a better one once you exceed 425 RWHP. Actually I broke 3 rear ends in three differant TA's with only around around 350 RWHP. So I can tell you from experiance that the Stock rears on the F bodys are weak.

[djvaly]

They sell alot of things that are bad for engines, like Nos for example.
I know form experiance that blowers do hurt the LT1 cars, 2 of my friends blew there LT1's with only 6 and 8 lbs of boost. One pro charger and one Vortech.
Not sure of the LS1 though.
I would imagine they also get damaged, because of the compression ratios of the 2 engines are similar. Ford lowered the Compression of the 03/04 Cobras alot to accomidate for the superchargers.



The 8.8 inch rear in the Cobras is good enough to handle almost any amount of power. I have read of many 700 plus horsepower cars still runnig the 8.8 from th factory, just needs stronger half shafts, or some go to a solid rear axle, but still an 8.8 inch size.

Now the GM unit in the F body is a 7.5 or 7.65 inch rear end. It is weak and you will need a better one once you exceed 425 RWHP. Actually I broke 3 rear ends in three differant TA's with only around around 350 RWHP. So I can tell you from experiance that the Stock rears on the F bodys are weak.
I heard many folks tried stock engine 100 shot and is good, anymore than that become a problem on stock block. also the s/c comes with aftercooler so it is pretty bullet proof on overheating 470 to crank. LS1 are much better blocks than LT1.. but most people will do heads/cam on LS1 so no biggie anyways.. then do a 200 shot with a s/c on it.. yeah!!!
....
about the rear end,,,so I hear too, I got the subframe connectors in place, maybe getting panhard bars.. wouldn't that make the rear end solid enough for 500rwhp,, hmm, anybody tried that combo?

[Bandit02]

I'm a LS1 guy but as soon as the factory adds a power adder there is nothing that compares. My little 231 CI 98 Buick Regal can beat most LS1's and i've only got about 1200 bucks in parts on it and the factory installed Eaton M90 ;) running mid 12's. I know my boundrys with the LS1, the cobras are kickass just not a big fan of fords.

[pyro71985]

vortech supercharger with aftercooler runs on stock LS1 block. 470flywheel..
they wouldn't sell if they were so bad for the engine. :dot:
then Cobra 03/04 has supercharger on it stock and claims 410flywheel, 390 is underrated.. so
put a aftercooler on the Cobra and you get the same power output... etc etc...

Sure they would! Just like people sell crack....its bad for you but as long as someones willing to buy it they are making $$$ a better example is ciggaretts.....the vortech s/c'er is UNSAFE on a stock LS1....like I said before without a built shortblock its a ticking time bomb.

470 at the crank is mabe 430 at the wheels....cobras put that down with exhaust and intake....or just a pulley swap.

The cobra is the better platform for boost PERIOD, the LS1 is the better platform for N/A....without tapping into the engine that is..

I mean think about it...how much time do you think a major corporation like ford takes while building a factory s/ced car....lots of time and lots of money....alot more than procharger or vortech or any aftermarket s/c'er companies do for the LS1


the rear end will need to replaced once reaching 450rwhp.. it depends how you drive it too, 10bolt becomes 12. ;)

That is absolutely NOT TRUE I know of 2 people who have broke theirs with STOCK hp....wheelhop is NOT friendly to these rear ends

[djvaly]

Sure they would! Just like people sell crack....its bad for you but as long as someones willing to buy it they are making $$$ a better example is ciggaretts.....the vortech s/c'er is UNSAFE on a stock LS1....like I said before without a built shortblock its a ticking time bomb.

470 at the crank is mabe 430 at the wheels....cobras put that down with exhaust and intake....or just a pulley swap.

The cobra is the better platform for boost PERIOD, the LS1 is the better platform for N/A....without tapping into the engine that is..

I mean think about it...how much time do you think a major corporation like ford takes while building a factory s/ced car....lots of time and lots of money....alot more than procharger or vortech or any aftermarket s/c'er companies do for the LS1




That is absolutely NOT TRUE I know of 2 people who have broke theirs with STOCK hp....wheelhop is NOT friendly to these rear ends
ok, SFC's would help a lot. got them. wouldn't wanna be without them ;)

[pyro71985]

I agree they are life savers for sure :D

[Pythias]

96-98 305hp

99 320hp (if corrected intake and head issue done) and 01 had the issue fixed (that's why there was no 00) 320hp as well

and of course the Terms had 390/390

just FYI :D

That's why I said ABOUT the same, there is a weigh difference between 96-98 and 99-04's, that extra little 15hp.... doesn't make much of a difference, and of course the whole 99 Cobra fiasco...

[breakparts]

a bone stock ls1 with 8 psi and a tune can get 470 rwhp not just flywheel hp...ive seen sts setups on completely stock f-bodys with over 500 rwhp....

.all the ls1 needs is an iron block ...forged rods and pistons......then it can make over 800 rwhp with the stock crank.......

the Terminator was built knowing that it would see high boost.... all we got to do is setup our ls1's with internals and we will easily smoke these cobras....

why.... more cubic inches and just better all around engine physics...the ls ports are bad ass mofos...ls1 engines have the best hp & tq curves ive ever seen...n/a.... so imagine when they run 0ver 15 psi---

the rearend is a total mishap on gm's side---im sure they knew these were not going to hold....so why did they use them....

and the transmission can handle way over 500 rwhp with simple mods to the cinc rows and output shaft......

for the money id rather stuff a built engine and rearend into a 98 v6 and gutt that bitch, to achieve the ultimate Terminator killer.....it can be done for less than 10 grand easily......and make over 700 hp on juice or other power adders

[djvaly]

a bone stock ls1 with 8 psi and a tune can get 470 rwhp not just flywheel hp...ive seen sts setups on completely stock f-bodys with over 500 rwhp....

.all the ls1 needs is an iron block ...forged rods and pistons......then it can make over 800 rwhp with the stock crank.......

the Terminator was built knowing that it would see high boost.... all we got to do is setup our ls1's with internals and we will easily smoke these cobras....

why.... more cubic inches and just better all around engine physics...the ls ports are bad ass mofos...ls1 engines have the best hp & tq curves ive ever seen...n/a.... so imagine when they run 0ver 15 psi---

the rearend is a total mishap on gm's side---im sure they knew these were not going to hold....so why did they use them....

and the transmission can handle way over 500 rwhp with simple mods to the cinc rows and output shaft......

for the money id rather stuff a built engine and rearend into a 98 v6 and gutt that bitch, to achieve the ultimate Terminator killer.....it can be done for less than 10 grand easily......and make over 700 hp on juice or other power adders

my friend, more than 6psi is a ticking bomb on LSx engines. you see Lsx is not designed for blower or turbo, .. I know you can prob do 8 psi and stuff but I checked with the pros on this one.. more than 6psi on a stock engine is a ticking bomb... now if you do some piston work and other crap you can do 20psi no prob. On the other hand a Cobra or Supra is built with the blower/turbo in mind. so.. iz cool as stock.. but do some piston engine mods and u cool on LSx...

[Roastem]

i beat a 03 cobra when i was bone stock i took him buy 2 cars

Did he have 500 lbs of concrete in the trunk by any chance?

[djvaly]

Did he have 500 lbs of concrete in the trunk by any chance?

:lol:

[mrr23]

time to move on.