factory freak bolt on dyno!

[ibanez7]

car dynoed : 2001 camaro z28 m6 (3.42 rear)
miles 106,xxx

power mods:

all bolt-ons

Exhaust:
hookers LTs
ORY - no cats!
flowmaster muffler
flowtech cutout (open)

Intake
ported/polished throttle body
bumpstop mod
Fernco smooth bellow
SLP Lid
SLP MAF

Engine:
SLP Underdrive Pulley

Its a full bolt-on car.


First off thanks to Tony and the guys at OUTLAW for getting my car on their mustang dyno.

Now as far as the dyno numbers.

357 rwtq (not weather corrected)
352 rwhp (not weather corrected)

351 rwtq (weather corrected)
346 rwhp (weather corrected)


Since mustang dynos are more accurate then dynojets and show lower numbers, everyone expected my car to be at most 330 for a bolt-on f-body, which is the average for bolt-on fbods on a mustang dyno

but nope! I am very pleased with these numbers as they are extremely strong.

Last winter I dynoed the same numbers on a dynojet dyno, with a couple of less bolt-ons (underdrive pulley, bumpstop, ported throttlebody, etc). So yeah i was expecting lower numbers on the mustang dyno.

On a dyno jet my car is at 376rwhp.

Again both dyno reflect that my car is about 20+rwhp over the norm for bolt-on f-bodys!

[Danger731]

agree with you but you r modded

[AKIRA]

Ok can someone PLEASE explain the difference between a dyno jet and a mustang dyno?

[ibanez7]

a mustang dyno reads/measures differently. Its a more real world application, more accurate.

for the situation I posted above, dynojets usually read about 20 hp more.

which is why people like dyno jet numbers, looks like their car is making more hp then it really is.

[ibanez7]

agree with you but you r modded



yes but all bolton mod f-bods usually dyno around 330 on a mustang dyno and 350 on a dyno jet with the exact same mods I have..

my numbers are 27hp higher! which makes me feel lucky for getting a strong engine

[NHRAMAN]

:nana:

[Danger731]

all I have is a lid n LM, no LT's Im at 332 rwhp. seems like a typical 01/02 motor ??

[Mach1Mustang]

The real dyno is the track!!!

[ss~zoso~ss]

of course you'd say that
lol

[breakparts]

with full bolt ons on a mustang dyno i made 380 rwhp but the guy said the dyno was off and told me it was more like (360 rwhp)----which was still good for bolt ons------ bolt ons only i would hang with my buddies 04 cobra with 440 rwhp on a dyno jet-----

[ibanez7]

The real dyno is the track!!!

Trapped 116mph. :yup: at the track!

[ibanez7]

with full bolt ons on a mustang dyno i made 380 rwhp but the guy said the dyno was off and told me it was more like (360 rwhp)----which was still good for bolt ons------ bolt ons only i would hang with my buddies 04 cobra with 440 rwhp on a dyno jet-----



ok......

you stated the dyno was off, so what was the PAU set at and what was the vehicle weight at?

[Frankthetank]

The real dyno is the track!!!

Damn right....aint no better dyno then the track!

Nice numbers though man :nana:

[Mach1Mustang]

nice trap, what was the et?

[breakparts]

Danm I Dont Know What Pau Is...but My Car Has Zo6 Wheels,and Less Spare Tire And Jack

[ibanez7]

Danm I Dont Know What Pau Is...but My Car Has Zo6 Wheels,and Less Spare Tire And Jack


the PAU is the resistance given to your car...

It should be listed on your dyno sheet!

[breakparts]

ok i will check------THE DYNO GRAPH SAYS FLYWHEEL HP-and i was hella confused.............but dude said thats how his program is setup------I WILL CHECK THE PAU AND POST IT!

[ibanez7]

hmm that is still good numbers for flywheel.


flywheel to ground can be up to an 18% difference. Higher percentage for A4


My numbers where RWHP which equates to about 420 at the crank.

[breakparts]

BUT THERE NOT REALLY FLYWHEEL---but 18% percent is perfect from an m6
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[anniversary30]

My car dyno's at 342 with full exhaust, air lid and tune. Is this good ?

[oneBADDz]

I don't know about calling a mustang dyno "more accurate." the only difference is that mustang dyno's apply resistance at the rollers and dynojets spin freely. I would use "more accurate" a little less loosly, most people use dynojets and so most numbers you hear are dynojet numbers, mustang dyno numbers are the oddball numbers that you don't hear near as often. It's WAY too easy to mess up a dyno run on a mustang dyno, applying too much or too little resistance etc. . .a dynojet is much more consistent with it's numbers.

[breakparts]

those are okay numbers seeing...that you dont have an ls6 intake ,pulley or tb

[oneBADDz]

It's an 01, it comes with the LS6 intake

[breakparts]

i was remarking to (annaversary 30) he has an ls1 intake

[mrr23]

to say a mustang dyno is more accurate, would be inaccurate. mustang dynos aren't any more accurate than a dynojet. i did a test on a mustang dyno. changed the vehicle weight and gained 5 rwhp with no changes to the car.

mustang dynos use an eddy brake to simulate rolling resistance. dynojets usually dont have one. you can buy an eddy brake unit for the dynojet. so, if i go and dyno on a dynojet with an eddy brake, which one is 'more' accurate now?

BTW, NASCAR uses dynojet to compare team cars to qualify for racing. not mustang dyno.

[ibanez7]

I feel that mustang dynos are more accurate to real world application.

The PAU was set in the high 500s and the wieght was set to the stock weight of 37xx

nonetheless on the dynojet I dynoed just under 380rwhp.

three pulls on the mustang dyno was consistantly around 357
three pulls on the dynojet dyno was consistantly around 376


and my car trapped 116 at the track


so yeah I would chalk up this ls1 as a very healthy bolt on runner!

[breakparts]

ibanez-what are your mods to get 376 rwhp---

[Musclefan21]

The real dyno is the track!!!

if the real dyno is track, then my BONE STOCK 06 stang GT is making 300rwhp

cuz i ran 13.43 @ 102.38 mph bone stock to the air filter:yup:

[Raoul-Duke]

car dynoed : 2001 camaro z28 m6 (3.42 rear)
miles 106,xxx

power mods:

all bolt-ons

Exhaust:
hookers LTs
ORY - no cats!
flowmaster muffler
flowtech cutout (open)

Intake
ported/polished throttle body
bumpstop mod
Fernco smooth bellow
SLP Lid
SLP MAF

Engine:
SLP Underdrive Pulley

Its a full bolt-on car.


First off thanks to Tony and the guys at OUTLAW for getting my car on their mustang dyno.

Now as far as the dyno numbers.

357 rwtq (not weather corrected)
352 rwhp (not weather corrected)

351 rwtq (weather corrected)
346 rwhp (weather corrected)


Since mustang dynos are more accurate then dynojets and show lower numbers, everyone expected my car to be at most 330 for a bolt-on f-body, which is the average for bolt-on fbods on a mustang dyno

but nope! I am very pleased with these numbers as they are extremely strong.

Last winter I dynoed the same numbers on a dynojet dyno, with a couple of less bolt-ons (underdrive pulley, bumpstop, ported throttlebody, etc). So yeah i was expecting lower numbers on the mustang dyno.

On a dyno jet my car is at 376rwhp.

Again both dyno reflect that my car is about 20+rwhp over the norm for bolt-on f-bodys!

nice

[stevegrizzle]

350 hp and youre trapping 116, wow.

[smokin_ls1]

What was the ET?

The only problem I have with your statement is that I know a few people who are making just like you said, about 20hp less than you. But they are doing it with 12bolt and 9" rears which cost you, get this, about 20hp. So I am also going with the thought that you are making average horsepower for an 01/02 f-body.

[Bose2683]

Mustang dynos are very wrong!!!!! A real dyno Texas Speed for EX, is a true dyno not a lift dyno you boys are getting screwed!!!

[Raoul-Duke]

omg..dude...dynojet are real numbers...mustang dynos are bout 20rwhp higher than what it really is...their pointless

[EE1983]

Did you actually dyno 376whp on a Dynojet or are you estimating? If you are, is 116mph indicative of 370-380whp?

[joezee]

not bashing, but...116 mph IS 375 rwhp , which would give a factory rating of 425 hp or so............so how does intake and exaust EVER add 75 hp ?????
unless he bought the car new, ...sounds like a mild cam or heads or ????
again all stock ls1s trap 105 to 110 at the freakish most,.....bolt on car running 116 ? am I missing anything ? most heads & cam cars WITH bolt ons run 115 to 120 right?? not bashing , just curious.

[Hurley711]

How is it a "Factory Freak" when it is HEAVILY modded?? A Factory freak is when the car puts down above average #'s while STOCK, not modded like yours is. Nice numbers though.

[12secSS]

ibanez7, you are not alone. :) I tuned this car with similar mods as your's, although with cats and on a DynaPack Dyno. If tuned right, some late production F-Bodies are putting down great numbers.

Just got my car tuned... (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=625006)

[02blkws6]

I know you're talking about an M6, but 116 mph. i have an A4 with a factory converter/125 hp of nitrous/4.11 gears, 1.7x 60' with and 11.7x 1/4 mile trapping @ 117 mph spraying out of the hole. I haven't ever had it on a dyno, but would guess I am around 430-440 rwhp on the jug.

[Packy]

Trapped 116mph. :yup: at the track!


What was your E.T.?

[ProwlerZ]

Your #s look about right to me. Full bolt on usually nets between 350-375 on a dynojet, so that gives you approximately 330-365 on a load bearing "mustang" dyno.

Oh, and btw, a bolt on LS1 ain't keeping up with a Cobra putting down 440 on a dynojet. If so, something was going real wrong with the pony.

[joezee]

ok, enough patting on the back.....EXPLAIN ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTEEN......please......no really.....pretty please ......DON'T start a thread like this and not expect to explain....come on, i mean 116 for crying out loud is................BBUULLSSH...i couldnt resist, sorry....

[EE1983]

I thought 370whp-ish on a DJ would be around 116mph traps?

[joezee]

yes , maybe.......but 116 bolt ons only........so headers and a tune and i'll add SEVEN mph !!!!!!

[joezee]

116 is like 11's or really low 12's..........explain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!...........please.

[EE1983]

Well he is FULL bolt-on, not JUST headers, tune. I dunno, I think the trap seems legit. A little on the fast side for most but overall seems right. Although, my friends cammed TA went 117mph and he was full-bolt on with some weigh reduction.

[joezee]

still waiting...........not bashing , but 116......r u full weight?.......what....what have you done that would add SEVEN mph to MY 1/4.....

[s99ta]

I think your trap speed is BS my car dynoed 405rwhp with cam and bolt ons it is a m6 my trap speed is 116.8 and a 11.91 et. so what is your et

[juiced99ws6]

no offense bro, the dyno numbers seems legit and all but really you shouldnt have boasted the 116 trap.. thats an EASY 11 second time.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p42/juiced99ws6/Timeslip.jpg

(im on left) this run was made with full bolt ons and spraying 100 shot from the 1/8 mile marker. So you can get a little taste of what a 116 trap would do

[juiced99ws6]

oh and for more comparison.. my car has never been dynoed but the car on the right is an 05 GTO that put down roughly 370rwhp on a dynojet. granted its heavier and has torque management out the ass but he still only trapped 100...

[Y2KPewterSS]

No electric water pump on the car from the original post?

[mrr23]

i went 12.13 @ 116 in my 86TA and dynoed 359 rwhp.

[joezee]

i don't think anyone doubts his dyno # , after all dynos are great for tuning but vary wildly from one to another...BUT 116 mph with his mods NEEDS more explaining......but he posted a couple times and doesn't say anything , so....I say he got the car with a cam or heads, or both.......
3500lb cars running 116 are making 425-450 factory rated hp......
his car came with 350hp....75-100hp with his mods.....BULL.

[juiced99ws6]

he just wont give an et... ET and Trap speeds are just as consistant as dynos. Different dynos yield different result and different tracks do as well so unless you are running all the same conditions then times/ dyno numbers cant really compare cars. Only way to compare is to line them up side by side. He could very well have pulled 116 trap but i wanna see his damned time! :lol:

[Raoul-Duke]

ibanez7, you are not alone. :) I tuned this car with similar mods as your's, although with cats and on a DynaPack Dyno. If tuned right, some late production F-Bodies are putting down great numbers.

Just got my car tuned... (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=625006)

AAnd thats why i wish i had a ls1....awesome numbers man!

[BLKCLOUD]

I don't know the person involved, and cannot vouch one way or the other for what he/she is claiming. However...

Dyno's are for tuning. Nothing more, nothing less. Doesn't matter if it is a Mustang Dyno, Dynojet, or Dynosaur - they are a tuning tool. Also, you cannot make a blanket statement that a Mustang dyno reads xxxx HP higher/lower than a dynojet. It is a load-bearing dyno, and will read differently depending upon the inputs by the operator.

116 mph is possible with a bolt-on LS1. Not common, would probably need very good air/track, and some lightening of the car would probably be necessary, but it is not totally unheard of.

You cannot make a blanket statement that "xxx RWHP is needed to run xxx MPH in the 1/4 mile". There are too many other factors to consider, most importantly vehicle weight, and also things like gearing, track, weather, driver skill, etc.

[02blkws6]

Sorry, but your car is no freak.... Looks to be normal to me!

[whiteghoztt]

ok i will check------THE DYNO GRAPH SAYS FLYWHEEL HP-and i was hella confused.............but dude said thats how his program is setup------I WILL CHECK THE PAU AND POST IT!

It measures at the dyno flywheel. What you see is rwhp.

[99Firehawk]

Ive got, underdrive pully, ported TB, lid, bellows, predator tune, 3.54 rear, Fidanza alum flywheel, K&N, stock everything else and 2JL amps, 10"sub (+about 45lbs).

I do 111MPH in the 1/4 mile.
.680 ReT
2.28 60ft
13.67 ET

>Cant launch<:brick:

How much HP does that equate to?




-->honest post<--

[stevegrizzle]

Go buy some drag radials, jesus man. :nono:

[BLKCLOUD]

You can get a very general idea of what kind of power you are making based on your 1/4 mile MPH and vehicle weight. Be advised that there are many variables that can change this, including air quality, track condition, track elevation, driver skill, etc, etc. However, the formula below will give you a pretty good guestimate:

HP = (mph/234)^3 * Weight

I don't know your weight, but I'd guess around 3650 lbs with driver. Using that and 111 mph, you come up with the following:

111/234 = .474
.474 ^3 = .1065
.1065 * 3650 = 389 HP.

Note that this is flywheel HP. A typical T56 street car should lose ~50 HP going from the flywheel to the rear wheels, giving you ~339 RWHP.


Ive got, underdrive pully, ported TB, lid, bellows, predator tune, 3.54 rear, Fidanza alum flywheel, K&N, stock everything else and 2JL amps, 10"sub (+about 45lbs).

I do 111MPH in the 1/4 mile.
.680 ReT
2.28 60ft
13.67 ET

>Cant launch<:brick:

How much HP does that equate to?


-->honest post<--

[99Firehawk]

I knew there was a formula out there, I remember that the MPH usually reflects HP for a given weight and the E.T. represents the traction factor, which in my case sucks!
Others have said that the track I goto is poorly taken care of, but its the only one i goto because its only 25 mins away. Still fun though!:nana: