Lost to a Mustang leaves me scratching my head.

[myk02k]

Ok, I lost to a '99 Mustang GT. We only went from a dig to 60-70 MPH, but 1st time I lose about a car-length, 2nd time it was dead even. I'm going nuts thinking something is potentially wrong with my car, or one of my mods put me back. The only time I lost a little control was the 1st to 2nd shift the 2nd run...my tires smoked a little and I felt like I was on ice for a second or 2. On a Mustang forum they're calling me a bad driver, but it's a fucking A4. Here's the specs on both of us.

99 Gt 98,000 miles M5 2v 3.73 gears ,alum d/s , Uca+Lca's, 99 Cobra wheels, LOUDMOUTH Catback , Dr Gas X, Accufab T/b + Plenum ,Wingless , Scoopless , and Debadged ..one and only dyno run = 87 pump gas, factory tune, with mods listed and a cold motor 239rwhp@5000rpm 266.8rwtq@4100rpm

00 Z28 64,000 miles A4 3.23 gears, K&N FIPK, Hooker cat-back, TB Coolant Bypass, Jasper Class 1 4L60E. Ran 91 octane.

How could I lose??? From the factory I should've had 298 RWHP and 335 RWTQ, guessing @ 310 RWHP and 345 RWTQ modestly.

[Fade2Black]

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[myk02k]

Oh yea, and if you think somethings wrong with my car...well.

The alternator, water pump, thermostat, fan belts, coolant (Dex-Cool to traditional green), sway bar bushings & links, ignition cylinder key, pads, rotors, battery, and transmission are all new within the last 15,000 miles.

Tires are going a little but still have tread on Goodyear Traction T/A's. Shocks are dead but who cares on a drag.

[1fastcamarosss11]

Oh yea, and if you think somethings wrong with my car...well.

The alternator, water pump, thermostat, fan belts, coolant (Dex-Cool to traditional green), sway bar bushings & links, ignition cylinder key, pads, rotors, battery, and transmission are all new within the last 15,000 miles.

Tires are going a little but still have tread on Goodyear Traction T/A's. Shocks are dead but who cares on a drag.

suspension/ hooking can be more important then power. remember that. :yup:

[EE1983]

Racing to only 60-70 is pretty lame. Thats not even the 1/8th mile. Go higher next time and youll pass him without a doubt.

[Roastem]

I agree. You should have run up to 100 mph. Short races are all about traction. A street race usually involves bad pavement, furthuring your traction problems.

I ran a couple GT's with the Cobra from a dig, and I was usually behind out the hole, but once 80 mph it was bye bye.

Bigger tires, better launch skills, and you will have short races in hand also. But if traction is an issue, you will need to run up to 100 mph to put him in the rear view handily.

[AKIRA]

I agree. You should have run up to 100 mph. Short races are all about traction. A street race usually involves bad pavement, furthuring your traction problems.

I ran a couple GT's with the Cobra from a dig, and I was usually behind out the hole, but once 80 mph it was bye bye.

Bigger tires, better launch skills, and you will short races in hand also. But if traction is an issue, you will need to run up to 100 mph to put him in the rear view handily.

Eh, but the other guy didnt really have any traction problems. The pavement under their tires were equal. Plus, its kinda hard to fuck up an a4..unless he panic-ed and hammered it after the guy started to win the launch.

However, YES. I agree that that is a SHITTY mph finish 'line.' Thats less than 7 seconds. (hopefully)

Either race correctly or not at all. :yup:

[SSwt00SS]

sucks but here's why you shouldn't take it so hard. everyone knows that mustangs have great low end/out of the hole power. it's their power to weight ratio/gearing. couple that w/a 5spd and after marktet 3.73's and its a good combo for them. I also agree that racing to only 60-70 is in the perfect range for a mustang to get an LS1 car, but anything over that, it's going to be all LS1...

[Ratdaddy07]

Not to mention reaction time could be huge in such a short race if you wanna call it that. Run him again for real this time, go for 4 or 5 telephone polls or pick an end point, if it ain't at least close to a 1/4 mile it ain't racin to me.

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

Post a link to the stang board

[JD_Z28]

I read the story on the SVT board before I did hear. I was the guy who posted you needed the driver mod because you should be able to smoke that guy.... I think your probably just spinning the tires and not getting out of the hole like you need too. What tires are you running on? Get some decent drag radials and redeem yourself then race that guy again.

[Roastem]

Not to mention reaction time could be huge in such a short race if you wanna call it that. Run him again for real this time, go for 4 or 5 telephone polls or pick an end point, if it ain't at least close to a 1/4 mile it ain't racin to me.

Agreed. That three honk shit is not fair by any means. The guy doing the honking is gonna have the advantage every time. Could be a second, or two even, and to 70 mph that could be the difference in win or lose.

[breakparts]

well you probly cant drive....ha ha that sucks

[anniversary30]

I lost to a 05 gt a couple weeks ago also.It's all in the traction.I had bald tires at the time. Once I hooked I started to reel him in but we were out of the gas before I could catch him. Got tires and am now looking for him.

[jacobyb]

Is it possible that the guy is not being totally truthful with his mod list? my brother has a 99 GT and the mods he has are all internal. At first you just think you are looking at a basically stock 4.6L until you run him and hear his car rapping out to almost 8000rpm's.

[Pythias]

Or a little of the funny gas as well, I can't see him beating you, even if you were spinning through all the gears.

[40thgtfl]

i have a setup alot like that but without the gears. cars like this are faster than you think. mid 13s at around 103-106. good enough to run with a stock ls1 car.

[40thgtfl]

PS dont forget the GT is only 3283lbs in 99.

[99FRCtrochred]

:cuss: Thats all I can say

[02Z]

I put 4 car lenghts on a 98 cobra from a 70-120 roll at least 3 times....I am close to stock too.

[myk02k]

I put 4 car lenghts on a 98 cobra from a 70-120 roll at least 3 times....I am close to stock too.

Well you're talking about highway rolls. Of course the Z will come out ontop because of the mid-high RPM HP and weight playing less a role than a launch. Mustangs seem to be designed for the 0-60 but not 60-120. I don't even know many other cars that will keep up from 120-150. When I used to be a part of an f-body club, we used to just go upto 145 (ridiculously stupid now that I think about it), and other cars would try to jump in but just seem to disappear in the rear-view within seconds.

[Tyler_LS1]

My friend just bought a 99 mustang GT and it has 96,000 miles on it.
it is clamed to be stock but I believe it has a new performance clutch. anyway we raced a bit from like a 20 roll and i had trouble with traction, but once i got in to the top of 2nd and 3rd i was gone.

there is a big difference in power and weight from 98 -99 with the GT's.

[shua01ss]

A mustang with 3:73's is going to be quick off the line but it is when they have to hit 3rd gear that is going to be when you start pulling. I used to have a 95 gt with the 5.0 and when I got rid of it I was only dynoing 220hp and 280 lb/ft but I could take a relatively stock ls1 or lt1 off the line. 3rd gear is when I would get pulled on :cuss:. Now I have the ls1 and my buddy has a stock 93 5.0 with just 3:73's and he stays pretty close until we get to about 60 mph then I pull on him like crazy. Next time race from a roll or race a distance that will require more than 60-70mph and the outcome should be different. Good luck.

[preston1980]

:thinkin:
I hate 1st gear races. They dont mean $hit.
Re race to 100mph or so (150 if your feeling frisky) and you will put some links on him.
It sounds like a traction issue, Less horsepower cars will get traction easier.
So he probally hooked better, also you scratched second pretty hard, that probally cost ya the race.

Off the subject, a little, but did you say you know the guy, why havent you re raced yet??
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I totally agree with the 3 honk thing, the "honker" always jumps the 3rd honk in every single video I watch on the web.

[Somebody09]

I totally agree with the 3 honk thing, the "honker" always jumps the 3rd honk in every single video I watch on the web.

I always honk, and I always wait for my opponent to jump just because I absolutely hate it when people bitch about not getting the hit. But I don't have videos. ...just letting you know not all honkers (lol, don't be gay) jump.

[KTownGT]

Ok, I lost to a '99 Mustang GT. We only went from a dig to 60-70 MPH, but 1st time I lose about a car-length, 2nd time it was dead even. I'm going nuts thinking something is potentially wrong with my car, or one of my mods put me back. The only time I lost a little control was the 1st to 2nd shift the 2nd run...my tires smoked a little and I felt like I was on ice for a second or 2. On a Mustang forum they're calling me a bad driver, but it's a fucking A4. Here's the specs on both of us.

99 Gt 98,000 miles M5 2v 3.73 gears ,alum d/s , Uca+Lca's, 99 Cobra wheels, LOUDMOUTH Catback , Dr Gas X, Accufab T/b + Plenum ,Wingless , Scoopless , and Debadged ..one and only dyno run = 87 pump gas, factory tune, with mods listed and a cold motor 239rwhp@5000rpm 266.8rwtq@4100rpm

00 Z28 64,000 miles A4 3.23 gears, K&N FIPK, Hooker cat-back, TB Coolant Bypass, Jasper Class 1 4L60E. Ran 91 octane.

How could I lose??? From the factory I should've had 298 RWHP and 335 RWTQ, guessing @ 310 RWHP and 345 RWTQ modestly.

What mustang forums was it? Try Mustangforums.com, people are a lot better there and there are a few LS1/Import drivers there as well.
You should have handled the GT pretty easily, he definitely has his car setup for short runs. Lower Control Arms, and Upper Control Arms will easily shave a few tenths off a 1/4. The Aluminum drive shaft was probably a 1 piece, in the S197 GT(2005+) they are on average around 40 lbs lighter.

[ca1racing]

i have a setup alot like that but without the gears. cars like this are faster than you think. mid 13s at around 103-106. good enough to run with a stock ls1 car.

13.17 @ 103 with 4.10s, U/D pullies, spec clutch, Alum D/S and a rear seat delete. Stock exhaust, suspension, intake, engine and wheels.