What is everyone using for a Tuner?

[Ed Blown Vert]

Speak Up

[wait4me]

:) Efilive for me, 30 programmed computers a day. Couldnt do it with any other software. :) Lots of cool goodies being released weekly, and Updates faster than a guy can download. :) I love it..

[wait4me]

Hmm, I had 740+ posts before.. What happened to them all?

[ntae]

EFI Live is all i use


geoff

[foff667]

I've used hptuners for over a year now for several different models from camaros to silverado's to grand prix.

[Steve Bryant]

EFILive/FlashScan is excellent . . . easy to use, great documentation, constantly updated and improved.

All my best,

Steve

[Ed Blown Vert]

But isn't EFI like EDIT? You can only tune two cars?

Whereas Tuners allows you to tune 2 vehicle types?

[foff667]

But isn't EFI like EDIT? You can only tune two cars?

Whereas Tuners allows you to tune 2 vehicle types?

both have their pros & cons...efi live has a better scanner then hpt 1.7...hpt's 2.0 scanner is just about equal to efi lives current scanner. Hptuners gives you two year licenses whereas efi live is vin locked & only allowss so many vins per unit whereas you can fit unlimited year licenses on hpt's unit. EFI live has the black box scanner hpt does not offer this nor do I see tthem having plans tto add this. EFI live offers free custom OS's with the slightly more expeensive pro version, hpt offers 1 & 2 bar for each OS not a generic one at a cost of $49 & $299 respectively. HPtuners offers tuning for many different models including many gm v6's whereas efi livee is limited to ls1 based motors. HPtuners costs less initially, efi lives vin licenses are $99 each, hpt year licenses are $199 up to 4 total licenses on a unit meaning you could tune 99-02 ls1 fbodies for less then $900 total outlay whereas efilive would be $900 for just 2 vins with the commercial version.

[Ed Blown Vert]

Thats why I run EFI for my scanner and HPTuners for my tuning ;)

[foff667]

Thats why I run EFI for my scanner and HPTuners for my tuning ;)

i still think theres a chance you'll end up sellingg your efi live scanner once you get your hands on 2.0...I really dont think you'll find efi live's scanner much more feature rich like it was.

[ninobrn99]

HPTuners here :D waititng for 2.0 :devil:

[foff667]

just got my latest version tonight...filter's are done :) it looks damn near done now :)

[soundengineer]

I use HPTuners...
The initial decision was because I wanted to make money back on my investment..and I just didnt see that happening with having to charge customers a $99 minimum just to do simple edits to their cars...
with HP I have done numerous DTC and non driving edits on lots of cars and made my money back just from "nickel and diming it"
and I have now tuned a large amount of 2000 and 2001 Camaros/birds...again,,,making money without spending extra...
I love the EFI scanner..but now that HPT 2.0 is in Beta(which I am a tester) I think 2.0 is every bit as easy..if not maybe a little bit easier to set up and use...(I have a buddy with EFI and thats how I have been able to compare the two)
but I'm still going to probably end up buying an efi live just for reasons of custom os's that HP isnt going to offer and doesnt look like they have plans to...
so I will be doing a little hybrid sort of kind of....

[foff667]

I use HPTuners...
The initial decision was because I wanted to make money back on my investment..and I just didnt see that happening with having to charge customers a $99 minimum just to do simple edits to their cars...
with HP I have done numerous DTC and non driving edits on lots of cars and made my money back just from "nickel and diming it"
and I have now tuned a large amount of 2000 and 2001 Camaros/birds...again,,,making money without spending extra...
I love the EFI scanner..but now that HPT 2.0 is in Beta(which I am a tester) I think 2.0 is every bit as easy..if not maybe a little bit easier to set up and use...(I have a buddy with EFI and thats how I have been able to compare the two)
but I'm still going to probably end up buying an efi live just for reasons of custom os's that HP isnt going to offer and doesnt look like they have plans to...
so I will be doing a little hybrid sort of kind of....

:stupid: I've been able to do basically the same thing. As far as buying efi live is concerned I dont see that happening unless the completely overhauled their pricing structure...and even then I've already got every fbody license on hptuners so it would be like putting good money towards bad since I've already got what I need. I wish there was a best of both worlds when it comes to the custom os's but apparently there wont be.

[HC2000Z28]

used the HPP III until cam install. got it dyno tuned at texas speed with LS1 edit

[foff667]

used the HPP III until cam install. got it dyno tuned at texas speed with LS1 edit

I thought tsp used hptuners? I know they have the software for v6's via hptuners...just assuming they also have the v8 stuff from them.

[04GTP]

hptuners for me, really easy to use, and it works on my Grand Prix

[GatorSS]

HPTuners alone...although I wish the scanner's graphics were better. But I'm not ready to buy any additioanal software for scanning.

Edit: And I can tune my wife's '00 V6 with no additional cost.

[ThePatriot]

Hey Guys,
My 01 C5 was done using LS1-Edit and I need to buy a package today so I can reprogram my new ECM. Yeah, the warranty isn't the only thing that goes at 36K miles. 8(

I enjoyed reading your comments but only found one very small one regarding LS1-Edit. Do you guys have any 'Technical' feedback regarding this product when compared to the others?
Thanks!

:usa:

____________________
Drive it like you stole it!

2001 Corvette LS1 Coupe
Performance = Dyno @ 420RWHP

1980 Corvette L-82 Coupe
Performance = Dyno @ 409HP

2001 Suzuki GSX1300R 'Hayabusa'
Performance = Dyno @ 180HP

[foff667]

Hey Guys,
My 01 C5 was done using LS1-Edit and I need to buy a package today so I can reprogram my new ECM. Yeah, the warranty isn't the only thing that goes at 36K miles. 8(

I enjoyed reading your comments but only found one very small one regarding LS1-Edit. Do you guys have any 'Technical' feedback regarding this product when compared to the others?
Thanks!

:usa:

____________________
Drive it like you stole it!

2001 Corvette LS1 Coupe
Performance = Dyno @ 420RWHP

1980 Corvette L-82 Coupe
Performance = Dyno @ 409HP

2001 Suzuki GSX1300R 'Hayabusa'
Performance = Dyno @ 180HP

I has been known to fry computers, an inferior scanner as compared to hpt & efilive, much longer read & write times, pay updates as compared to free updates offered by hpt & efi live, no 2 bar support whatsoever, no forum of their own only email support, vin locked, no inputs or outputs on their boxes....im sure theres other stuff.

[foff667]

HPTuners alone...although I wish the scanner's graphics were better. But I'm not ready to buy any additioanal software for scanning.

Edit: And I can tune my wife's '00 V6 with no additional cost.

Im pretty sure 2.0 will be out by the weekend if it already isnt since chris has implimented a new download procedure...the "graphics" havent changed much but more max bytes, more pids, more histos all customizable, comment section all make the new scanner much easier & more user friendly...if you meant graphics as in you use the gauge portion alot you'll be dissappointed but most real tuners never even use it, like myself.

[soundengineer]

I has been known to fry computers, an inferior scanner as compared to hpt & efilive, much longer read & write times, pay updates as compared to free updates offered by hpt & efi live, no 2 bar support whatsoever, no forum of their own only email support, vin locked, no inputs or outputs on their boxes....im sure theres other stuff.

you forgot to say its a Pain in the ass to use compared to HPT or EFI

[GatorSS]

Im pretty sure 2.0 will be out by the weekend if it already isnt since chris has implimented a new download procedure...the "graphics" havent changed much but more max bytes, more pids, more histos all customizable, comment section all make the new scanner much easier & more user friendly...if you meant graphics as in you use the gauge portion alot you'll be dissappointed but most real tuners never even use it, like myself.
Thanks for your comments. Yes, I was speaking about the gauge portion, since I use it a lot for monitoring purposes (I don't only use the software for tuning purposes). Since I have a computer in my car nearly all the time, it's much easier to use the software gauges than to install a bunch of hardware gauges.

So, I guess it makes me a fake tuner? :jk:

[Ed Blown Vert]

Thanks for your comments. Yes, I was speaking about the gauge portion, since I use it a lot for monitoring purposes (I don't only use the software for tuning purposes). Since I have a computer in my car nearly all the time, it's much easier to use the software gauges than to install a bunch of hardware gauges.

So, I guess it makes me a fake tuner? :jk:

I do the same thing ;)

http://members.cox.net/blownz28/laptop/laptop.jpg

[foff667]

if you guys are looking over at your laptop while your driving i feel bad for the people surrounding you.

[soundengineer]

anybody have a good heads up display...and using it to show what s on the laptop screen??

[ThePatriot]

I would love to see more of this functionality available for handhelds such as an iPaq. It would be awesome to have a small palm device mounted in the cabin to do logging and programming with.
Anyone?

PS: Can someone please explain to me the difference between looking at a guage face on a Color LCD and a guage on the dashboard? I might need to relay that safety information to our real pilots so they don't run into one another at Mach 3. :lmao:

[Ed Blown Vert]

if you guys are looking over at your laptop while your driving i feel bad for the people surrounding you.
I don't see the difference between looking at the laptop or the dash. :dunno:

[foff667]

I don't see the difference between looking at the laptop or the dash. :dunno:


About 45* in your case from looking at that pic

[foff667]

I would love to see more of this functionality available for handhelds such as an iPaq. It would be awesome to have a small palm device mounted in the cabin to do logging and programming with.
Anyone?

PS: Can someone please explain to me the difference between looking at a guage face on a Color LCD and a guage on the dashboard? I might need to relay that safety information to our real pilots so they don't run into one another at Mach 3. :lmao:

hpt talked about putting it onto a palm for a while...not sure if anything will come of it...efi live has their little black box if you dont feel like having a laptop in your car when logging.

[soundengineer]

periferal vision is best straight ahead...and you can see the dash with just a quick glance down... looking over to tehside requires a complete turn of the head..and at the level its at in your picture it also requires a look downwards as well
from what I can tell it would take turning your head almost completely to a 45* sideways and 45* downwards....
where guages in teh dash are usually in front of you...and require only an eye glance....which would keep your pereferal vision on the road for that split second...

[foff667]

http://home.comcast.net/~whenn1/normal.jpg

[foff667]

but then again i have HUD in my gtp so i dont even have to glance down any more ;) lol

[GatorSS]

Who says the computer (or monitor) has to be as far to the right as in EdBlownVert's picture? Who says anyone would drive by looking at gauges, rather than the road? All it takes is a glance, and there are appropriate times when you can look more closely, just as you would with only the stock dash guages. The more skilled you are, the easier it is.

[foff667]

The more skilled you are, the easier it is.

:haha: that was supposed to be funny right? Amazing they will make it illegal in some states to be talking on a cell phone looking strait ahead & driving but having a computer to the right of you, having to glance over at it because its got a more colorful gauge setup then your stock gauges isnt...or maybe it is but im just not skilled enough to do it :rolleyes:

[wait4me]

Cops have laptops right there, and they never wreck and most are really good drivers in my town... ummm. Wait, Never mind

[ThePatriot]

Cockpit Shots


I don't care who you are; that's funny right there, now!!!
:haha:

[GatorSS]

:haha: that was supposed to be funny right? Amazing they will make it illegal in some states to be talking on a cell phone looking strait ahead & driving but having a computer to the right of you, having to glance over at it because its got a more colorful gauge setup then your stock gauges isnt...or maybe it is but im just not skilled enough to do it :rolleyes:
No, it was not funny, but factual.

The reason some nanny politicians are seeking to ban cell phone usage while driving is because it involves engaging in conversations, which, for some simpler-minded people, take too much of their attention span away from driving. For others, it is no problem.

Like I said previously, who said I am focused on gauges and not the road while driving? Do you stare at your speedometer when driving rather than the road? I doubt it. Who said I have a computer way over on my right? Who said I am looking at a computer "because its got a more colorful gauge setup" than my stock gauges? (And there are many gauges on the computer screen that are not included in the stock gauges, which is the purpose for having the computer displaying such.)

Does too many gauges overwhelm you? Then perhaps you should place some back tape over some of your stock gauges. For me, these are not a hindrance or too complicated. I've had no problem flying planes with a quite a large set of gauges and computer screens that are in front, to the left and to the right. Monitoring them while flying is not too complicated for me. Also, it is not too complicated for me to run a large offshore sport fisherman with many gauges, computers and instruments all around me. For many people, these things are way too complex and they are easily overwhelmed just looking at it all, much less trying to figure out how to use it all.

Have you ever glanced over at your clock to your right to check the time while driving? Or changed your AC setting or radio station setting or put in a CD while driving? Or are those too complicated for you, too? Do you have to pull over and stop in order to change a CD or to take a sip from a drink or to check your fuel gauge?

I cannot help it if you may not have the cerebral capabilities to understand such seeming complexities. If such simple tasks are too complicated for you, then yes, you must not be skilled enough to handle it.

[Ed Blown Vert]

periferal vision is best straight ahead...and you can see the dash with just a quick glance down... looking over to tehside requires a complete turn of the head..and at the level its at in your picture it also requires a look downwards as well
from what I can tell it would take turning your head almost completely to a 45* sideways and 45* downwards....
where guages in teh dash are usually in front of you...and require only an eye glance....which would keep your pereferal vision on the road for that split second...

The picture was taken outside the car, so ya if you drive out there. Then yes you would have to turn you head.

But it only takes a glance over to look. Not anymore then looking at the side mirror. :dunno:

I don't sit there staring at the screen. If I need to watch something, I just record it.

I also have the gauges set to turn red and alert me when there is an issue.

[foff667]

No, it was not funny, but factual.

The reason some nanny politicians are seeking to ban cell phone usage while driving is because it involves engaging in conversations, which, for some simpler-minded people, take too much of their attention span away from driving. For others, it is no problem.

Like I said previously, who said I am focused on gauges and not the road while driving? Do you stare at your speedometer when driving rather than the road? I doubt it. Who said I have a computer way over on my right? Who said I am looking at a computer "because its got a more colorful gauge setup" than my stock gauges? (And there are many gauges on the computer screen that are not included in the stock gauges, which is the purpose for having the computer displaying such.)

Does too many gauges overwhelm you? Then perhaps you should place some back tape over some of your stock gauges. For me, these are not a hindrance or too complicated. I've had no problem flying planes with a quite a large set of gauges and computer screens that are in front, to the left and to the right. Monitoring them while flying is not too complicated for me. Also, it is not too complicated for me to run a large offshore sport fisherman with many gauges, computers and instruments all around me. For many people, these things are way too complex and they are easily overwhelmed just looking at it all, much less trying to figure out how to use it all.

Have you ever glanced over at your clock to your right to check the time while driving? Or changed your AC setting or radio station setting or put in a CD while driving? Or are those too complicated for you, too? Do you have to pull over and stop in order to change a CD or to take a sip from a drink or to check your fuel gauge?

I cannot help it if you may not have the cerebral capabilities to understand such seeming complexities. If such simple tasks are too complicated for you, then yes, you must not be skilled enough to handle it.

It must take a very small penis to have to feel the need to make yourself look so much better & smarter then anyone around you. I've got a few friends like that...most of them i just ignore knowing they in actuality are failures in life. As far as the point of my posts were that little information can be gained by looking at a gauge screen...at most you'd be able to see is max this or max that...you have an rpm & mph gauge on your dash so what exactly is so important in a gauge screen? A histogram I understand but gauge, no. I guess im cerebrally challenged in that aspect.

[PowerKraus]

I own/use both LS1 Edit and EFI Live. I've also used HP, and I must say that HP and EFI Live have excellent forum support. Mucho info sharing..

I happen to really like the EFILive as software updates and support are free.....EFILive even has 'black box' recording so you do not have to connect your laptop for collecting data.

One thing you should look for is the ability to log w/o the laptop, like EFILive. I think HP and a couple others now offer this, and it is worth every penny.

Key is to GET SOME SOFTWARE ....and start unleasing all that horsepower.

Great to be here !

[GatorSS]

It must take a very small penis to have to feel the need to make yourself look so much better & smarter then anyone around you. I've got a few friends like that...most of them i just ignore knowing they in actuality are failures in life. As far as the point of my posts were that little information can be gained by looking at a gauge screen...at most you'd be able to see is max this or max that...you have an rpm & mph gauge on your dash so what exactly is so important in a gauge screen? A histogram I understand but gauge, no. I guess im cerebrally challenged in that aspect.
As far as it "must take a very small penis," I would not know anything about that experience, as you must by your reference to it. I have no need to make myself "look so much better & smarter then anyone around" me. You were the one insulting anyone who does such monitoring as being essentially an idiot. When you do such things, you should expect a response. All I was doing is refuting your insultingly juvenile antics.

As far as being a failure in life, yes, people that are failures in life tend to have friends who are also failures. Misery loves company. I have no friends who are failures in life and, although I do not approach life as a competition with others for comparison purposes, I'll gladly stack up my accomplishments and credentials against yours (or even just those up until I was your age) in order to determine if your allusion to me as a failure in life is true.

If you can only see that "little information can be gained by looking at a gauge screen...at most you'd be able to see is max this or max that," then that's fine for you. However, I would like to be able to view more than just the "rpm & mph gauge" whenever I choose. If you do not, good for you, but that does not mean that anyone who chooses to do so is stupid. For some people, all they want to see is a speedometer and a fuel gauge, but I don't insinuate that they are stupid. Likewise, if others want to view more gauges, I don't ridicule them as idiots, as you have and continue to do.

To keep it simple for you, I'll just take one small example with one variable--mass air flow. I have no such stock gauge, yet I can glance at the screen and see what my current MAF is at any given time. A MAF histogram shows historical information in a frequency distribution graph over time, not just the MAF at a point in time. If I want to know my MAF right now, looking at the current reading is more useful than looking at a historical frequency distribution of all the previous MAFs throughout a given time. This applies to each variable that the software can monitor.

I'm glad to see it looks like you've come around, as your last sentence is my point, exactly.

[foff667]

My "maps" or histograms can go by last, avg or count not sure about yours. I could also use a graph and see the last 30 seconds or the last 3 mins of a log if I'd like. Sorry but I don't think I can remember the last time the gauges were able to give me the useful information that i was somehow missing with a histogram or graph

[soundengineer]

My "maps" or histograms can go by last, avg or count not sure about yours. I could also use a graph and see the last 30 seconds or the last 3 mins of a log if I'd like. Sorry but I don't think I can't remember the last time the gauges were able to give me the useful information that i was somehow missing with a histogram or graph

I agree with that...
I dont think the guages have ever given me any info I needed...
I always use my Histograms and my scrolling chart as I can see lines showing where it was and where it is now...and I even usually can tell where its heading to as well

[foff667]

You were the one insulting anyone who does such monitoring as being essentially an idiot. When you do such things, you should expect a response. All I was doing is refuting your insultingly juvenile antics.



aww did I hurt your feelings by saying "most real tuners never even use it, like myself." Im sorry maybe I shouldve worded it more like "most real tuners don't use it for tuning"? Again there is little info to be gained from looking at the gauges imo & I think its mainly there as a selling point since people say "ohh look at the pretty colors" the lure is great at first but you cant tune in SD looking at gauges unless your brain is an excel chart that can decifer, sort and calculate every frame of data.

[GatorSS]

Sorry, I was a little hard on you, but you kept coming with the insults to Ed and I :cry: , so I just gave some back with a little hot sauce on it. But, it was all somewhat funny. No harm meant.

No, my histograms are not able to show what you describe that yours does. What software are you using? And, no, I don't tune with gauges, but only use them for monitoring while driving since I've got a computer hooked up anyway. Occasionally, I'll have the scanner open in a window just to glance at what's going on with the engine, or have several windows open, like the GPS software, or something else. The GPS is great on road trips.

Also, I have wireless broadband internet access so I can check updates on projects with which I'm working (when I stop for fuel and/or food, etc.--not good to do while driving, unless someone else is driving and I've turned the monitor to face me in the passenger's seat), or listen in to a sports game that's not on a radio station where I'm driving, or listen to a program from anywhere in the world. Sometimes I'll be scheduled for a conference session with colleagues, but I want to go off for a few days or whatever. I can go ahead and get on the road to where I want to go, and then when it gets close to conference time, pull over at a rest stop or something and tap in via the web, and I'm there at their meeting (well, at least on a monitor and speaker).

The software is great for tuning when I do tune. But tuning is only a once in awhile thing, and since the software has the scanner and since the computer is there anyway, I like to pull up the gauges just to tickle my brain a little bit with more information. I guess I'm just an information freak.

[foff667]

No, my histograms are not able to show what you describe that yours does. What software are you using?

hpt v2.0 beta

[GatorSS]

hpt v2.0 beta
Thanks. So, you're a beta tester for them? Cool. I wonder how much longer before it's ready to release to the public? I've read that it is so much better than the "old" thing I've got.

[soundengineer]

2.0 is supposed to be released to the general public sometime this week :)

[foff667]

2.0 is supposed to be released to the general public sometime this week :)

i hope they take their time & just get it right the first time out...there are still a good handful of things missing or not completed as of my last version that i hope they get done...some may not even notice the things or care but the things that arent done I use fairly often :(

[GatorSS]

I agree with getting it right before releasing it. I can wait a little longer. Just curious, how receptive are they to your feedback?

[soundengineer]

Lets just say that there are a few things In 2.0 that I am the sole contributor of :)
so yes...they listen to our feedback :)

[foff667]

Lets just say that there are a few things In 2.0 that I am the sole contributor of :)
so yes...they listen to our feedback :)


yeah yeah, your so proud of yourself with those histos :) hey i got a writup in the help files I think so na na lol

[soundengineer]

yeah yeah, your so proud of yourself with those histos :) hey i got a writup in the help files I think so na na lol


I gues I shouldnt say sole contributor of...for th ewhole histogram thing...
I just gave keith some great ideas and made a few extras that are going to be included with the default install :D

but a lot of the defaullt histograms...are ALL ME


yeah..its nice to be seen in print...might help me get a few more tunes :)

[foff667]

but a lot of the defaullt histograms...are ALL ME



to quote my 3 year old daughter "Blah blah blah" :D too bad it whiped out all the histo's i had already made up on my home computer :cry:

[soundengineer]

to quote my 3 year old daughter "Blah blah blah" :D too bad it whiped out all the histo's i had already made up on my home computer :cry:


should have saved them in another location like a good little monkey....like I did :)

[GatorSS]

So, which one of you two is the better tuner?

With all that good input/feedback, that 2.0 ought to be one great package! Are they going to give each of you some credit?

[soundengineer]

well..there are several people who get mentioned in the Acknowledgments section....
and I wont say that any of us is any better than any of the other guys...
we all do things good or we probably wouldnt have been beta testers...
the cool thing about 2.0 is as long as you follow some basic guidelines...it really does a lot of the work for you...
you can set up any histogram to do anything you want...
meaning some of these excel spreadsheets(most of them) can be converted into custom histograms with custom PID's...
I am building a bunch of them and plan on sharing them on a page on my website...
I have sent keith sevral histogrmas, and a few custom PID's that are in the release :)
we all had some great input...and we all saw different things than the other people did...
its a collabpration of great minds...which is why its going to amaze so many people..including guys that have ben tuing for years...and I believe even some EFI guys will be a little worried with the release...

[GatorSS]

I was just kiddin' with the "whose the better tuner" thing. Good beta testers are critical for any worthwhile product. Sounds like it will really be some great stuff! I'm looking forward to using it. :nana:
Thanks in advance for all the great work and input y'all have given.:thumbup:

[Dano 00TA]

I use a Predator, not enough mods done to really need anything more.

[GatorSS]

Predator is better than nothing, but you could do so much more with software like HPTuners.

[JRocket]

I am building a bunch of them and plan on sharing them on a page on my website...


What site might that be?

[Fran D]

I just got my TunerCats a few weeks ago. It's great...and cheap!

[foff667]

I just got my TunerCats a few weeks ago. It's great...and cheap!

I've looked into tunercats recently and heres my opinion on it
Pro's
Price...for $379.00 you get one definition file which generally contains 2 full years worth of vehicles. Also Each definition file after that is only $79.00

Con's
No real forums for them...i found two forums that revolve around tunercats and there were like 3 posts in the last month on both of them. Email support is iffy at best as well.

No scanner...even though they are and have been working on a scanner in beta for about a year now they still dont offer anything...so work that into your price.

Non user friendly...just from playing with the demo version you can tell its not a program you'd like to use full time...yes its functional but difficult to navigate and just not user friendly.

Amount of parameters to change...I dont know exactly how many but if the two demo files are even close to what they offer id be scared.

again for the price if you already have a good scanner & dont mind the navigation as compared to hpt or efilive or you need to be able to tune lt1 cars its a good choice...if you dont have a scanner though just go with hpt or efi and you'll be a happier camper imho.

[Fran D]

I've looked into tunercats recently and heres my opinion on it
Pro's
Price...for $379.00 you get one definition file which generally contains 2 full years worth of vehicles. Also Each definition file after that is only $79.00

Con's
No real forums for them...i found two forums that revolve around tunercats and there were like 3 posts in the last month on both of them. Email support is iffy at best as well.

No scanner...even though they are and have been working on a scanner in beta for about a year now they still dont offer anything...so work that into your price.

Non user friendly...just from playing with the demo version you can tell its not a program you'd like to use full time...yes its functional but difficult to navigate and just not user friendly.

Amount of parameters to change...I dont know exactly how many but if the two demo files are even close to what they offer id be scared.

again for the price if you already have a good scanner & dont mind the navigation as compared to hpt or efilive or you need to be able to tune lt1 cars its a good choice...if you dont have a scanner though just go with hpt or efi and you'll be a happier camper imho.
Granted, it's not for everyone. I already had a cheapo scanner (get the drift?) so that was not an issue. Although it doesn't appear to have the same functionality as the other products (especially from the demo), there's no difference that I have seen thus far. And, as far as tuning help is concerned, one can garner enough information from the boards of the more popular products. It always boils down to air, fuel and spark. If one can deal with a minimum of hand-holding, it's not a bad option.

[foff667]

Granted, it's not for everyone. I already had a cheapo scanner (get the drift?) so that was not an issue. Although it doesn't appear to have the same functionality as the other products (especially from the demo), there's no difference that I have seen thus far. And, as far as tuning help is concerned, one can garner enough information from the boards of the more popular products. It always boils down to air, fuel and spark. If one can deal with a minimum of hand-holding, it's not a bad option.

definitly...thats why i was looking into it ;) i figured i could get the 96-97 lt1 licenses as well as some of the truck, vette & gto licenses that i dont have...most of the stuff needed is there...just takes longer to navigate through it from what ive seen...and then just use my hpt scanner to get most of the stuff done.

[Fran D]

definitly...thats why i was looking into it ;) i figured i could get the 96-97 lt1 licenses as well as some of the truck, vette & gto licenses that i dont have...most of the stuff needed is there...just takes longer to navigate through it from what ive seen...and then just use my hpt scanner to get most of the stuff done.
Where are you in Trenton? I must have tripped across you at some of the etown EFI events. I'm the old, gray ... er .... mature individual with the black '00 SS.

[foff667]

Where are you in Trenton? I must have tripped across you at some of the etown EFI events. I'm the old, gray ... er .... mature individual with the black '00 SS.

shoot...i stopped going to etown long ago...i havent even been hitting atco lately though with my gtp being my "race" car lately :( I really need to get back behind the wheel of an fbody of my own.

[keliente]

I've looked into tunercats recently and heres my opinion on it
Pro's
Price...for $379.00 you get one definition file which generally contains 2 full years worth of vehicles. Also Each definition file after that is only $79.00

Con's
No real forums for them...i found two forums that revolve around tunercats and there were like 3 posts in the last month on both of them. Email support is iffy at best as well.

No scanner...even though they are and have been working on a scanner in beta for about a year now they still dont offer anything...so work that into your price.

Non user friendly...just from playing with the demo version you can tell its not a program you'd like to use full time...yes its functional but difficult to navigate and just not user friendly.

Amount of parameters to change...I dont know exactly how many but if the two demo files are even close to what they offer id be scared.

again for the price if you already have a good scanner & dont mind the navigation as compared to hpt or efilive or you need to be able to tune lt1 cars its a good choice...if you dont have a scanner though just go with hpt or efi and you'll be a happier camper imho.


You are correct, tunercats is not something that any person on the street can pick up and know how to use right off the bat. Once you understand it however, it is a very powerful tool. I use it, it's all I have ever known...gets the job done well. I just got AutoTap for scanning, I don't care for it too much though.

[foff667]

You are correct, tunercats is not something that any person on the street can pick up and know how to use right off the bat. Once you understand it however, it is a very powerful tool. I use it, it's all I have ever known...gets the job done well. I just got AutoTap for scanning, I don't care for it too much though.


being a powerful tool & being user friendly are another...whats it a year that the software has been out but no scanner as of yet? Don't get me wrong their pricing is great but you have to buy a scanner & go through the whole excel process to do alot of things...2.0 will rid us of most of the old excel spreadsheets we were used to.

[ws6togo]

:) Efilive for me, 30 programmed computers a day. Couldnt do it with any other software. :) Lots of cool goodies being released weekly, and Updates faster than a guy can download. :) I love it..
I am new to the EFI world...just got my flash and scan couple of weeks ago. Nny body experienced with it that could help a guy get started. This software is LOADED with options :thumbup:

[BIG D's SS]

GMMG dyno tune here.

[BowlingSS]

I used to use LS1Edit but switched to EFILive FlashScan. I love it.

Bill
:yup:

[PaganEgyptian]

Bryan Herter at PCMforLess progrmmed mine.

[227HAWK]

HP tuner
User friendly, Gets the job done




:yup:

[buktooth]

Has anyone made a tuning/ dataloging device that is completely open and does not lock to one vin number, and is cheap to buy. I cant believe they want you to pay that much if you want to tune more than one vehicle. It sickens me.
With the older tpi and tbi systems everything is free and available online. I hope this happens to the newer generation pcm's sometime soon.

[foff667]

Has anyone made a tuning/ dataloging device that is completely open and does not lock to one vin number, and is cheap to buy. I cant believe they want you to pay that much if you want to tune more than one vehicle. It sickens me.
With the older tpi and tbi systems everything is free and available online. I hope this happens to the newer generation pcm's sometime soon.

hptuners & tunercats are year locked basically...tunercats actually is a little looser in their licensing but isnt something id recommend to an inexperienced user...and their scanner has been in beta for about a year so im not sure how far along that is either.

[WS6ICK]

Bryan Herter at PCMforLess progrmmed mine. Much better than the Hypertech Programmer III.

[PaganEgyptian]

Bryan did an excellent job with mine, Since I have Ported my Throttle Body, I need the tune to be tweaked on a dyno, but I didnt tell him I was porting it, that was my fault, so I am getting the random MAF code activating the SES light occasionally. After the dyno, I will post gained numbers... -Tim

[foff667]

fwiw porting the tb should have nothing to do with any maf codes

[Bernotas05]

i got the diablo sport predator

[tici]

old school here: Atap + Edit + wideband + Excel
I never had a problem and the car is still alive ;)
Without Excel it's almost impossible to make a tune, so when you don't know this software it's better you get a tool that can scan and evaluate the numbers in an easy way.

[The Rookie]

how much does the HPTuner go for?

[foff667]

$499-Standard interface & 2 year licensed vehicles
$649-Enhanced interface with 4 inputs & 2 outputs & 2 year licensed vehicles

www.hptuners.com

[theeulogy]

So when you order HPtuners you tell them what 2 model years of car you want? Is it USB?

[soundengineer]

USB coming soon..beta testing is going to hapen here in the next few weeks..('m a beta tester ;) )

yes you tell them what 2 years and vehocles you want....
meaning you can have 02 v8 fbody and 04 GTO if you want..and then you can tune Every vehicle for the years you get :)

and with the USB just around the corner...you will be able to do GM, FORD, and DODGE..
all on the same cable and all on the same software

[GatorSS]

USB coming soon...
How soon? February-March? :hurryup:

[foff667]

i think were just as anxious as everyone else

[mrr23]

the vinci handheld on both of my cars.

[02BlackOnBlackSS]

EFI Live scanner and Tunercat to tune. Pretty nice setup because I can do other peoples tunes for cheap.

[02BlackOnBlackSS]

I've looked into tunercats recently and heres my opinion on it
Pro's
Price...for $379.00 you get one definition file which generally contains 2 full years worth of vehicles. Also Each definition file after that is only $79.00

Con's
No real forums for them...i found two forums that revolve around tunercats and there were like 3 posts in the last month on both of them. Email support is iffy at best as well.

No scanner...even though they are and have been working on a scanner in beta for about a year now they still dont offer anything...so work that into your price.

Non user friendly...just from playing with the demo version you can tell its not a program you'd like to use full time...yes its functional but difficult to navigate and just not user friendly.

Amount of parameters to change...I dont know exactly how many but if the two demo files are even close to what they offer id be scared.

again for the price if you already have a good scanner & dont mind the navigation as compared to hpt or efilive or you need to be able to tune lt1 cars its a good choice...if you dont have a scanner though just go with hpt or efi and you'll be a happier camper imho.

I know this is an old post, but just for future references, anything that you can do with EFI Live's basic v7 I have been able to do with Tunercat. It is just a little less user friendly. I got the demo version of EFI Live V7 and I just read off of the descriptions on what everything does from there and applied those concepts to tunercat. Sure it takes a little getting used to, but I think that is worth it since it is not vin locked.

[foff667]

I know this is an old post, but just for future references, anything that you can do with EFI Live's basic v7 I have been able to do with Tunercat. It is just a little less user friendly. I got the demo version of EFI Live V7 and I just read off of the descriptions on what everything does from there and applied those concepts to tunercat. Sure it takes a little getting used to, but I think that is worth it since it is not vin locked.

except for custom operating systems for 1,2 & 3 bar SD tunes, Nitrous custom operating system, valet mode operation, a scanner with histograms with indepth custom filters, flash demos, & pdf how too files on SD tuning. Yes tunercat is cheap but there are many things it doesnt offer that efilive & hptuners do offer.

[ws6togo]

:) Efilive for me, 30 programmed computers a day. Couldnt do it with any other software. :) Lots of cool goodies being released weekly, and Updates faster than a guy can download. :) I love it..

Could you help with a .tun file. Car is running fine now...or so I think. But would like another opinion. Could I send you my tune file for you to "checkout"??? I kinda need some help on what areas to watch. I have a LS6 intake with 28lb covette injectors (instead of the 26lb on my LS1 now), and some brand new LS6 heads to put on before spring. If you could provide some guidance on what to watch for and areas that I can fix now before the change it would be greatly appreciated. After I do the heads and intake, next will be the XR275HR comp cam. (using this split cam in preperation for ATI procharger later down the road.) I read from another post that when changing the injectors it is really important to make sure it is tuned properly. It sounds from your posts that you do a lot of these.:notworthy:

[ws6togo]

[QUOTE=Ed Blown Vert]I do the same thing ;)

Hey Ed Blown Vert:

cool setup....where did you get the parts to mount the laptop? It is pretty akward setting it in the passenger seat.:yup:

[Ed Blown Vert]

http://www.afterthoughtsauto.com/mobnotdescam.html

[senior gomez]

wow i just checked out the hp tuners site and looked at screenshots and damnit there are alot of little things to mod and stuff. will it be insainely hard to start using a tuner and scanner (no clue the diff yet) for someone who has never used one?

[02BlackOnBlackSS]

except for custom operating systems for 1,2 & 3 bar SD tunes, Nitrous custom operating system, valet mode operation, a scanner with histograms with indepth custom filters, flash demos, & pdf how too files on SD tuning. Yes tunercat is cheap but there are many things it doesnt offer that efilive & hptuners do offer.

Well, I assumed that you knew it didn't come with a scanner, thats why I was using EFI Live's scanner. I also said something about the basic version (not the custom OS's), so besides the how to files and flash demo's and valet mode, it has everything, and when used in combination w/ EFI Live's scanner, it is a very nice thing to have. Plus there is the potential to make your money back. It's nice to have all of the extra luxuries, but I just don't see spending almost $700 on something that can only tune 2 cars. Just my opinion (from the broke college student perspective).

[foff667]

but I just don't see spending almost $700 on something that can only tune 2 cars.

I was just pointing out there are things with that tunercats doesnt have the capability of doing that hptuners & efilive do. Tunercats is a cheap alternative but can easily frustrate new users. And the lack of a scanner brings the pricing up past hptuners introductory price in most cases & probably very close the their enhanced version. I've used the tunercats demo and it makes me cringe in comparison to hptuners & efilive as far as userbility.

[02BlackOnBlackSS]

I was just pointing out there are things with that tunercats doesnt have the capability of doing that hptuners & efilive do. Tunercats is a cheap alternative but can easily frustrate new users. And the lack of a scanner brings the pricing up past hptuners introductory price in most cases & probably very close the their enhanced version. I've used the tunercats demo and it makes me cringe in comparison to hptuners & efilive as far as userbility.

Keep in mind that the demo version of Tunercat on the website is just their OBDI tuner and it doesn't have near the amount of parameters to modify as the OBDII one does, however, the interface could be more "cushy." I can deal with it though.

[GatorSS]

I was just pointing out there are things with that tunercats doesnt have the capability of doing that hptuners & efilive do. Tunercats is a cheap alternative but can easily frustrate new users. And the lack of a scanner brings the pricing up past hptuners introductory price in most cases & probably very close the their enhanced version. I've used the tunercats demo and it makes me cringe in comparison to hptuners & efilive as far as userbility.
:yup: Good info.