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BlackBeastLS1
10-03-2006, 08:57 PM
raced one from a 30 roll the other day and we were dead even the whole way to about 110. He MIGHT have had a bumper on me but i dont think so. Those things are a hell of a lot faster than i thought.
99blueZ
10-03-2006, 09:10 PM
do you have any mods? A4 or M6?
BeavermanA
10-03-2006, 10:30 PM
Yea gotta have mods. Those things run mid-12s maybe better, so good race. Throw a turbo on yours tho and see who's fast :).
Roastem
10-04-2006, 09:10 AM
Where is StoneSRT-4 at? He can tell you all about those things. From what I have heard, they are pretty damn fast.
A~NICE~CAR~IS~A~NICE~CAR
10-04-2006, 09:39 AM
FUCK YEA THEY ARE! light ass car+turbo= fast stuff!
4TEHW
10-04-2006, 09:59 AM
Stage 3 on the SRT-4's (with toys) is pushing about 355 claimed crank horsepower (by Mopar). Most Stage 3 SRT-4's are running mid to low 12's. With more support mods (fuel, boost, FMIC, cams, etc.) they're capable of running high 10's. The average is mid to high 11's, however.

Either way, sounds like it was a good race. :)
Roastem
10-04-2006, 11:45 AM
10's!!! gotdam

Too bad they didn't put a 425 HP Hemi in it with RWD, I would be highly tempted. That little SOB would prolly pick the wheels off the ground stock!
Hot Black Trans-Am
10-04-2006, 11:52 AM
10's!!! gotdam

Too bad they didn't put a 425 HP Hemi in it with RWD, I would be highly tempted. That little SOB would prolly pick the wheels off the ground stock!

Make that AWD and you could have some real speed!
4TEHW
10-04-2006, 12:02 PM
10's!!! gotdam

Too bad they didn't put a 425 HP Hemi in it with RWD, I would be highly tempted. That little SOB would prolly pick the wheels off the ground stock!


But then it wouldn't be a Neon. :) And it'd be much more expensive. The stock internals are good for 450whp reliably...and up to 500whp or more with GREAT tuning.

Two other things you may not know...there is at least one drag trim SRT-4 running 8's....and the SRT-4 has also been named the fastest production car (in it's class) managing 221mph. (http://dodge.off-road.com/dodge/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=365982)

Just some interesting bit of trivia. It isn't the greatest car in the world....but for the price and the ability to make it faster, you can't beat the money you save. :D
Roastem
10-04-2006, 12:35 PM
Yeah, but it would sound like a big block!
4TEHW
10-04-2006, 12:41 PM
Yeah, but it would sound like a big block!

Very true...and if it was powered by twin jet engines, it'd sound like an airplane. :)
stevegrizzle
10-04-2006, 01:14 PM
to make it sound like an airplane all you need is a gt35r.
4TEHW
10-04-2006, 01:16 PM
to make it sound like an airplane all you need is a gt35r.

And in my opinion, with cams (14's), these engines lobe like a bigblock. :)

I was just teasing either way.
stevegrizzle
10-04-2006, 01:22 PM
And in my opinion, with cams (14's), these engines lobe like a bigblock. :)

I was just teasing either way.

the gt35r is a turbo not a cam. Im not sure a 2.0l could spool it tho.
4TEHW
10-04-2006, 01:24 PM
the gt35r is a turbo not a cam. Im not sure a 2.0l could spool it tho.

Right....but his original comment was about a Hemi in a RWD SRT-4 so it could "sound like a bigblock". Then we were comparing jet engines to a turbo...then I went back to cams and the bigblock comment. Interweb confusion. :) Oh..and the SRT-4 engine is a 2.4 liter. If an STi (2.5L) can spool it, I'm sure we could too. It'd just be ass for low end...so you could do a sequential or use some nitrous to help spool it. :shrug: Lots of options...lots of money.
stevegrizzle
10-04-2006, 01:25 PM
gotcha
Boosted T-4
10-04-2006, 04:07 PM
[QUOTE=4TEHW;420638]But then it wouldn't be a Neon. :) And it'd be much more expensive. The stock internals are good for 450whp reliably...and up to 500whp or more with GREAT tuning.

Yank the balance shaft and get a billet oil pump and 500 fwhp would be reliable.
4TEHW
10-04-2006, 04:11 PM
[QUOTE=4TEHW;420638]But then it wouldn't be a Neon. :) And it'd be much more expensive. The stock internals are good for 450whp reliably...and up to 500whp or more with GREAT tuning.

Yank the balance shaft and get a billet oil pump and 500 fwhp would be reliable.

Perhaps...but I've never been there with an SRT-4 block. I just know what I've read about shops and what they run. If that's the case, even better. These blocks/transmissions were built to be abused...and last.
Boosted T-4
10-04-2006, 04:16 PM
Yep just throw a clutchmasters stage 4 6 puck and a new TOB and the tranny would be fine.
Stone
10-04-2006, 04:21 PM
Yea stock stage 3 runs about mid 12s depending on driver. Should trap about 115. Pretty stout, but $3900 is a little too much. But then again i prolly spent about that much on motor now and wont trap but about that on race gas.:giveup:
4TEHW
10-04-2006, 04:23 PM
Yea stock stage 3 runs about mid 12s depending on driver. Should trap about 115. Pretty stout, but $3900 is a little too much. But then again i prolly spent about that much on motor now and wont trap but about that on race gas.:giveup:

Yeah, definitely cheaper options for a big turbo...but as far as plug-in-play capability, S3 is the only way to go.
Stone
10-04-2006, 04:25 PM
to make it sound like an airplane all you need is a gt35r.

Mine kinda sounds like an airplane..imma post up a vid when i get it out the shop.:)
Stone
10-04-2006, 04:26 PM
Yeah, definitely cheaper options for a big turbo...but as far as plug-in-play capability, S3 is the only way to go.

This is true!!
jb'sWS6
10-05-2006, 06:08 AM
I had posted in a different thread about "who I'd like to race?" Well, I had put down a guy I work with who has a Neon that he just finished putting the Stage 3 package on. No BS because I have a copy of his dyno sheet he put 320 hp to the ground. Not sure the % loss for the drivetrain but I don't think 355ish crank hp would be to far off. After seeing that, I think I'll just race for fun.
4TEHW
10-05-2006, 09:35 AM
I had posted in a different thread about "who I'd like to race?" Well, I had put down a guy I work with who has a Neon that he just finished putting the Stage 3 package on. No BS because I have a copy of his dyno sheet he put 320 hp to the ground. Not sure the % loss for the drivetrain but I don't think 355ish crank hp would be to far off. After seeing that, I think I'll just race for fun.

Well, when I say 'Mopar claimed hp', it's usually more. For instance, the '04-'05 SRT-4's are rated at 230 crank HP and 250 crank torque respectively. However, stock, they dyno anywhere from 225-235whp and generally 240-250wtq or so. The 320whp with Stage 3 is without toys or without HOM (High Octane Mode). Put 110 octane gas in the car, switch on HOM and you're looking at quite a bit more power. :)

But, yeah...the main reason most go with the Stage 3 is honestly the plug and play ability. It's LITERALLY a bolt on kit. No tuning required. Then, if you'd like, you CAN add more parts and tune...then you're in the 400whp+ range with Stage 3. It's hard to stop once you start, hehe.
4TEHW
10-05-2006, 10:31 AM
But then it wouldn't be a Neon. :) And it'd be much more expensive. The stock internals are good for 450whp reliably...and up to 500whp or more with GREAT tuning.

Two other things you may not know...there is at least one drag trim SRT-4 running 8's....and the SRT-4 has also been named the fastest production car (in it's class) managing 221mph. (http://dodge.off-road.com/dodge/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=365982)

Just some interesting bit of trivia. It isn't the greatest car in the world....but for the price and the ability to make it faster, you can't beat the money you save. :D

Mike Crawford just ran a 7.9 @ 188 the other day in his SRT-4 drag car. :D
breakparts
10-06-2006, 04:47 PM
I Thougt A Stage 3 Would Involve Upgrading The Turbo
Stone
10-08-2006, 11:10 AM
it does
Hot Black Trans-Am
10-09-2006, 11:17 AM
Is stage 4 a V8 swap?
breakparts
10-09-2006, 04:53 PM
^^^^^^^ha Ha....it Better Be , Cuz They Are Running Out Of Options By Then ^^^^^^
breakparts
10-09-2006, 04:54 PM
I Dont Like Neons But I Like The American Performance Compact Cars Smoking Imports
4TEHW
10-10-2006, 10:22 AM
^^^^^^^ha Ha....it Better Be , Cuz They Are Running Out Of Options By Then ^^^^^^

:seesaw: I'll go with the left side for now.
Roastem
10-10-2006, 12:51 PM
^^^^^^^ha Ha....it Better Be , Cuz They Are Running Out Of Options By Then ^^^^^^

Stage 5, VIPER DRIVETRAIN :worship:
Stone
10-12-2006, 02:19 PM
i wish!!!!!:yup:
nhraformula
10-14-2006, 08:26 AM
:uzi: my what i like to call stage 2 runs low 12s on nittos and will knock off 11s on slicks.
zbizkit
10-16-2006, 06:56 AM
:uzi: my what i like to call stage 2 runs low 12s on nittos and will knock off 11s on slicks.

I am not sure what all the difference is in hp and mods between a stage 2 and 3 neon. I did race a stage 2 from a 40 mph roll on the e-way. Our jumps were identical but I pulled about a car and and half by about 100 m.p.h. after that I was pulling away soundly. Nice running car though.
4TEHW
10-20-2006, 01:13 PM
In the end, there still isn't replacement for displacement. Case in point, while four cylinder engines can achieve 'big block' power, a big block can still achieve more. If you turbo charge 2.4L of engine vs. 5.7 or 6.0...there's simply no contest.

It's more a matter of a 20k car having 230whp from factory that can be modded and tweaked for cheap, vs. the more expensive V8 (30k+) that can also be modded and tweaked for relatively cheap...but still has an immediately larger 'investment'.

That, and then there's the difference in body style (4 door vs. 2 door) and so forth. If I was cool with two doors, as I mentioned in another thread, I'd have picked up a '98 SS for under 10 grand. :)
MikeSomething
10-23-2006, 08:01 AM
Well, I've raced a stage 3 from a dig and beat him by a car, but I raced a stage 2 w/ a solid bottom end and manual boost controller from a 30roll and he beat me by at least a car.
Roastem
10-23-2006, 08:32 AM
You need some rims on that car Mike.