ws.666 vs s2000

[third_shift|studios]

i called out a dude on a local board b/c he's been talking up his car an awful lot and I'm kinda annoyed by it; so i challenged him to a race. I'm not sure what is mods are...he could have a turbo, could have a down pipe and that's it. :dunno: anyway, what do you think i can do to him? From a dig. [my tires are so bald...]

my mods:
KONI sa's
35mm front sway
halbert's Lower control arms
UMI tq arm
clear lid + Borla Exhaust

[tonyjnjz]

id try and not race him from a dig if your tires are bald.....as for who will win u dont have much info on his mods so who knows....go racem and report back

[01blkformula]

well hes got 237hp and 162tq stock if its a 2006 earlier years it has less power. they run about a 14 with a good driver,so i think it will be close off the line but after about 60 he will fall flat on his face. now a turbo idk real close good luck hope you have your way with him :kick:

[EE1983]

Unless hes turbo'd or supercharged you have nothing to worry about. To be honest, I still wouldnt be worried if he had either. I put a hurting on supercharged one from a 45 roll on with 346awhp.

[stevegrizzle]

of course he could have a 400whp hondamonster but those are few and far between.

you really should get an idea of what youre up against before you go calling someone out though.

[jerry trans am]

If the s200 is turbo he should get you

[Wesman]

If the s200 is turbo he should get you

Umm...not really. They are slow stock, so unless they're pushing some serious boost (which would require forged internals and a lower comp ratio) they aren't anything to worry about. There's probably only a few S2000's in the country that have actually hit 12's, they are roadsters, not drag cars.

[breakparts]

I RACED a turbo s2000 and beat him up....I POSTED A KILL THREAD IN LS1 TECH AND I GOT BS FLAGGED..THESE CARS ARENT THAT FUCKING FAST AND IT PISSES ME OFF THAT YOU FUCKERS THINK THEY ARE.......SMOKE HIS RICER ASS

[ss~zoso~ss]

and for 34 grand they suck dick, thats what they cost!!

[SSmoky01]

I RACED a turbo s2000 and beat him up....I POSTED A KILL THREAD IN LS1 TECH AND I GOT BS FLAGGED..THESE CARS ARENT THAT FUCKING FAST AND IT PISSES ME OFF THAT YOU FUCKERS THINK THEY ARE.......SMOKE HIS RICER ASS

What you call me!

Really a stock honda s2000 is slow even if he has a turbo you will beat him. Either way, let us know what happens.

[MikeSomething]

I've raced a sooped up one before and it wasn't a big deal, I put a few cars on him once I hit 3rd. Just race him and find out man.

[hutch1999]

Unless hes pushin major boost with carbon fiber everything dont worry it's not as dangerous as all the fast and the furious crowd thinks it is. Race him on the highway till bout 140 and will destroy him.

[third_shift|studios]

here are his mods:
AEM V2 Cold Air Intake
DC Sports Stainless Steel 4-1 longtube header
Stainless Resonated Test Pipe (no cat)
Spoon Sports N1 Single Stainless Exhaust
Fidanza 8lb Aluminum Flywheel
ACT Street/Strip Clutch Disc
ACT Stage 3 Pressure Plate
Stainless Steel Clutch Lines
02 S2000 Rear Differential with Torsen LSD
Spoon Sports 72MM Throttle Body
Rotara Crossdrilled / Slotted Rotors
GreenStuff Brake Pads
Neuspeed Strut Brace

[ZAPFOOL!!]

here are his mods:

haha...no boost...he is so fucked

[02sunsetss]

HAHA...Bring your camera and I'll tape it Jaison...The car has 50 wet shot(Notice that wasn't in the list of mods...), and I've seen it run a 13.7 @108...But I've also been there and watched him run 3 straight 14's so as long as you don't screw the launch from a dig I think it should be in your favor. I don't think he's as cocky as you portray though, he's just proud just like the rest of us... Good luck, is this going down tomorrow or what? PS. I have something you might want. With no spray he doesn't stand a chance, my friends Celica GTS was dead even with one the other night from like 40-100ish 3 consecutive times...They have nothing stock for stock.

[third_shift|studios]

:woot: you mean our fleshlights finally came in?!

:lol: i don't mean to make him out as a jack ass, but he is a smug little fucker and i'd like to really run him on the street so that we can take it past 107 mph.

[02sunsetss]

He traps right there with you so it should be a good run up top...I'm interested to see how well it hangs at speeds higher than that, it is considerably lighter...We'll see I guess...Merg's 240 is pretty damn quick too I was out playing with those guys last night and he was right next to me on low boost. It's going to be a mean ass car. Just let me know where and when.

[third_shift|studios]

I get the feeling you want to be the "handler" on this; even though in street racing ethics, i call him out, he sets the spot right? LOL...god, i'm so VinDeisal it hurts.

fuck, i'm pumped...[rocky theme :box:] lets do it here: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/B5E74CAA-E0AC-466F-A47A-2B911FE19177.htm

we'll meet at the target or your best buy @ like 7 ish? It's gotta be decently early so that camera can pick up the image, no night vision or zoom on it like your busted one had. Do you have a person riding shotty with you that can hold it? maybe zboner?

[02sunsetss]

I'm sure I can find someone dude, but that road is way to packed that early in the day...It's hit or miss, but hey you guys just set it up and I'll be there I guess...The highway is a better spot if you really wanna go high speed wise...I know the perfect spot. But it would have to be later than that.

[ss~zoso~ss]

cant wait to see the vid, and you BETTER POST ONE!!!!!


or else

[ss~zoso~ss]

i'll storm all your threads with non-existant smilies

:ralphonu:

:puke:

:lol:

:laugh:

[EVO8 driver]

You already won.

[Wesman]

here are his mods:


AEM V2 Cold Air Intake
DC Sports Stainless Steel 4-1 longtube header
Stainless Resonated Test Pipe (no cat)
Spoon Sports N1 Single Stainless Exhaust
Fidanza 8lb Aluminum Flywheel
ACT Street/Strip Clutch Disc
ACT Stage 3 Pressure Plate
Stainless Steel Clutch Lines
02 S2000 Rear Differential with Torsen LSD
Spoon Sports 72MM Throttle Body
Rotara Crossdrilled / Slotted Rotors
GreenStuff Brake Pads
Neuspeed Strut Brace

Wow, he doesn't even stand a chance. He's probably pushing about 210WHP and about 90ft/lbs to the wheels, he will get destroyed by an LS1 :kick:

Stupid ricers never learn, I suppose he thinks all that Spoon/Neuspeed stuff givesd him like 100 more HP :lmao:

[tonyjnjz]

yeah ive heard that honda 2.0 dosnt take to mods anywhere near like an ls1...like comptech exaust/headers 5-10 horse increase..really need to spray or boost those cars to make them as fast in a straight line as an ls1

[02sunsetss]

Numbers don't lie people...I've seen the actual car he's racing run the same times as the WS6...It should be a good race, I still think the LS1 will take it though... And the car doesn't fall on it's face after 60...It falls on it's face out of the gate then gets back up...LOL

[ss~zoso~ss]

honduhhh power@@~!!

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

I had an 02 S2000 and if launched just right it will be high in the 13's. From about 40mph in 1st the S2000 is fast to the top of 2nd, but after that it's not fast anymore. 240 HP and 2800lbs for 02's. I never got the chance to dig race a F-body while I had mine. I only raced a few cars and one was a big block 3rd gen Z-28 and I had him from a 40 roll until about 65 and then I was seeing the tail lights. He was pissed that I even had him for a little while!

[EVO8 driver]

If i remember right, the s2000 does 14's stock. With his mods it would be a good race from a dig against a stock ls1. Should be close from a dig.

[Wesman]

If i remember right, the s2000 does 14's stock. With his mods it would be a good race from a dig against a stock ls1. Should be close from a dig.

How do you figure?? There's no way an intake, header, and exhaust is going to cut a full second from his 1/4 mile times.

Not to mention low 14's is the best they can run. Considering the cars pathetic lack of any low end power, combined with IRS, most driver's won't come close to low 14's.

[tonyjnjz]

didnt somone say he was spraying a 50 shot as well??

[7camaro7]

I say get you some tires like mine just to make sure hahaha, kuhmo ecsta mx, You definitely won't be bald anymore! I love my tires, but seriously I recommend you get some, and then you'll have nothing to worry about, now go get him and bring us a KILL STORY!

[tonyjnjz]

F-THAT nitto DRs .......u only need 2 :D ...from a dig what?? :D

[02sunsetss]

Definitely spraying 50 shot... Like I said before...People need to read before they start bashing. The car runs that time, this isn't a maybe it could be that fast...We know it's that fast, we're beating a dead horse here...We'll know tomorrow.

[tonyjnjz]

whos gonna set him up with a 150 shot before tomorrow??????? lets smoke this rice..lol

[Pyromaniacal]

Lol, you're going to slap the shit out of him most likely... post a vid of how it goes.

I've raced a few of what seems to be the equivalent car (slightly modded S2000), he pulled me a bit off the line because of my rear-end, but when we hit over 100 I was pulling over 5 cars, you've got this in the bag if you play your cards right my friend.

[Roastem]

I bud of mine here at work just got a nice blue brand new S2000, we went to happy-hour downtown, coming back I told him to "rev it up to 5K drop the hammer and let off the clutch," it took off like he had the clutch halfway down all the way through first, slammed second, and it acted like it was slipping again, all I could smell was that nose turnin' clutch stench. The next day he told me it didn't have a regular disk clutch, some kind of metallic teeth sh*t or sumthin'. Smelled like a damn burnt clutch to me.

It didn't pull that hard, except above 6K it acted like it had a little sumthin', but nothing I would be worried about. Even if he was pushin a 21# turbo I'd eat him up. :yum:

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

They first hit power at 6500 rpm's.

[unnatural aspirations]

blah blah blah......THE S2000 IS SLOW!!!! BY THEY WAY WHAT ARE WS666 MODS....there should be no problem if boltons are present....I WANT TO SEE A VIDEO....OR ANGER WILL COME...

ANYWHERE YOU MEET ME GURANTEED IT GOES DOWN!!!!

[ss~zoso~ss]

come on race him, and post the vid


:cry:

[Hawk241]

My wife beat a 2000s in her stone stock 04' saturn redline at the track. She ran a 15.0 BTW...Her first time out, and the Launch wasnt bad, and dont know what altitude N.Y.I.R.P. is. Dont know about the 2000s, if it was stock..etc.

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

The redline's are pretty good from a roll. To bad they don't rev higher. You can feel that they are willing to.

[ss~zoso~ss]

that can be fixed no?

[third_shift|studios]

sigh... the guy couldn't go out last night, and it's gonna rain from now until monday...

[02sunsetss]

Good...I was gonna pissed if it did...Cause no one called me!!!

[MadSeason]

i called out a dude on a local board b/c he's been talking up his car an awful lot and I'm kinda annoyed by it; so i challenged him to a race. I'm not sure what is mods are...he could have a turbo, could have a down pipe and that's it. :dunno: anyway, what do you think i can do to him? From a dig. [my tires are so bald...]

my mods:
KONI sa's
35mm front sway
halbert's Lower control arms
UMI tq arm
clear lid + Borla Exhaust
deja vu... tires with little tread... i smell a tree and arrest comming

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

:haha:

[Hawk241]

The Redline ION, Yeah I know what you are talking about, as soon as it pulls, at 6500 the rev limiter licks in...

[s2knky]

And I thought the Honda guys were bad about talking smack.....

For the record, I'm the first person to tell everyone that the S is no drag machine.

[Hurley711]

How do you figure?? There's no way an intake, header, and exhaust is going to cut a full second from his 1/4 mile times.

Not to mention low 14's is the best they can run. Considering the cars pathetic lack of any low end power, combined with IRS, most driver's won't come close to low 14's.

Reading "Header" in singular form just looks plain wrong:yup:

[EE1983]

Theres no way that S2000 stands a chance.

Its power mods include full exhaust and intake, which actually barely add any power to that thing.

Even with spending like 7 grand theyre still not that fast. When i got my car tuned with full exhaust and cams and licp I raced a kid in my town who was supercharged running 8psi and I blew his doors off from a roll. Its a Honda.. its :gay:

[s2knky]

Since the consensus is that I'm going to get slaughtered, perhaps a better test would be racing a modded STI or EVO. :yup:

Theres no way that S2000 stands a chance.

Its power mods include full exhaust and intake, which actually barely add any power to that thing.

Even with spending like 7 grand theyre still not that fast. When i got my car tuned with full exhaust and cams and licp I raced a kid in my town who was supercharged running 8psi and I blew his doors off from a roll. Its a Honda.. its :gay:

[EE1983]

99% of modded EVOs would blow your doors off so nah I dont think thatd be too good of a race. You might get a 2003 with some crap tune with hardly any mods and beat it from a roll but thats about it. Ive yet to see a fast S2000 so I guess Im a little biased. The fastest one around here certainly looks badass and the kid is really cool but hell, 6-7k for a blower and he gets killed by my bolt-on EVO? Damn.

I dont mean to rip on your car, they are very nice cars but theyre just not that fast and theyre hard ot make fast. Drag racing is NOT the hot spot for them.. Hell it isnt even the hot spot for my car. Your car shines in auto-x like a gem.

[s2knky]

I was referring to the firebird racing. He called me out, not vice versa. If my little honda is too slow, he should race something faster.

99% of modded EVOs would blow your doors off so nah I dont think thatd be too good of a race. You might get a 2003 with some crap tune with hardly any mods and beat it from a roll but thats about it. Ive yet to see a fast S2000 so I guess Im a little biased. The fastest one around here certainly looks badass and the kid is really cool but hell, 6-7k for a blower and he gets killed by my bolt-on EVO? Damn.

[AKIRA]

Ugh.

Talk about big shitty tease!

[Street Lethal]

Raced a "modded" S2000 myself a few weeks back from a dig. Had to slow down once I reached the 1/8th mile though cuz my legs were freaking killing me. Took a moment to stop and tie my running shoes, when that sum-biatch gave me the fly by. Heh, the nerve of those Hon-duh boys... ;)

i called out a dude on a local board b/c he's been talking up his car an awful lot and I'm kinda annoyed by it; so i challenged him to a race. I'm not sure what is mods are...he could have a turbo, could have a down pipe and that's it. :dunno: anyway, what do you think i can do to him? From a dig.

[s2knky]

It's quicker now - but still mid 13s at best. No torque, no weight, and high revs make for a bitch to launch. Even the ones in the 10s are barely getting their 60' under 1.8

Grrrr... won't let me post URLs....here, do the math.

media.putfile.com/S2kVsStang

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

It's quicker now - but still mid 13s at best. No torque, no weight, and high revs make for a bitch to launch. Even the ones in the 10s are barely getting their 60' under 1.8

Grrrr... won't let me post URLs....here, do the math.

media.putfile.com/S2kVsStang

Was that a 103.4 trap...kinda hard to see in the vid. Your car isn't slow by any means but you'll need to trap 4ish mph more to tangle with a decently driven stock 6 speed ws6.

Nice run BTW:yup:

[s2knky]

I've trapped as well as 107 / 108. Once the URL thing starts working for me in posts, I'll put one up of my friend Barry's modded C5 just blowing my doors off.

As much of it is in the launch as well as keeping traction between the top of first and into second. She's a bit squirrelly outta the hole. Generally I've found a perfectly straight launch with minimal spin outta the hole gets me 2.0 60' and 13.5 / 13.6 @ 106.5 / 107. Two tenths and a mph or two are lost in that 1st to 2nd transistion (if not just the shot outta the hole).

It's a finnicky little car to run at the strip. I'm much more partial to the auto-x, but it's still fun to run. :)

Does that sea turtle have a front mount intercooler and a "JDM" red badge? LOL. That's one bitchin' hatchback.

[s2knky]

This is on 14PSI, stock internals. (They're forged ya know) 4.26 rear gears. Really, anything someone wants to put a little money into is capable of running 10s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4F5BZfSvFs&mode=related&search=

Generally turbo and supercharged setups on the S2000 are more moderate, as the factory compression is just a hair shy of 11:1. More commonly, you'll see 7-8lb setups.

It's not a drag car. A little bit of boost though, and it scoots.

No, they're not incredibly fast, but neither are stock LS1 camaros and firebirds.

For a N/A 4 banger go-kart, it holds it's own.


I RACED a turbo s2000 and beat him up....I POSTED A KILL THREAD IN LS1 TECH AND I GOT BS FLAGGED..THESE CARS ARENT THAT FUCKING FAST AND IT PISSES ME OFF THAT YOU FUCKERS THINK THEY ARE.......SMOKE HIS RICER ASS

[s2knky]

Not really. The S2000 is a fairly rigid chassis, but the front bracing does help the oversteer be a little more predictable in a hard step in.

Numbres are more like 220 whp and 165 ft/lbs at the wheels, per the last dyno trip. (and then add some spray of course)

The Spoon single stainless exhaust dropped nearly 35lbs off the car, and has a perfect, mandrel bent, exit off the car. Dyno showed the exhaust and cat-delete were good for about 12whp. This won't sound like much to an LS1 guy, who gains 20whp just by putting a real exhaust on the car. It has alot to do with something being properly tuned from the factory. :)

I'm a car guy with a Honda, not a Honda guy with a complex. Save the ricer tag for the civics with bleacher seat spoilers and APC stickers.

Wow, he doesn't even stand a chance. He's probably pushing about 210WHP and about 90ft/lbs to the wheels, he will get destroyed by an LS1 :kick:

Stupid ricers never learn, I suppose he thinks all that Spoon/Neuspeed stuff givesd him like 100 more HP :lmao:

[s2knky]

The beautiful thing about the S (IMO) is there isn't one in every garage. They are built by hand, not on an assembly line. Engine tolerances are to the thousandth, and internals are forged from the factory.

There are numerous S2000s in the 11s. Slapping on a Novi 1000 and a 50 shot accomplishes that on stock drivetrain and internals. The clutch isn't going to last long like that...but it will do it.

There are many that are in the 10s, and even a few I've seen information on that are breaking into the 9s in street trim.

It was never intended to be a drag machine, but the powerplant is capable of producing results at the strip.

It's a platform that hasn't had 40 years of aftermarket parts and shadetree mechanics developing powermakers for it - and there's only a handful about.

For a 2.0L 4 banger, it's impressive.

As far as being slow stock, sure it's slow stock, it's not a Z06 With that in mind though it's numbers aren't off much, if at all, from a stock 00 Camaro, which GM would tell you IS built for the dragstrip.

Umm...not really. They are slow stock, so unless they're pushing some serious boost (which would require forged internals and a lower comp ratio) they aren't anything to worry about. There's probably only a few S2000's in the country that have actually hit 12's, they are roadsters, not drag cars.

[s2knky]

I only paid 17 for mine. Granted - it's an 00 - and on that note...I recall the SS convertible camaros back in 00/01 being around $30,000 or so. You can get one of those now for what...10, 11 ?

Now take that foot out of your mouth, and do a little reading next time before speaking. :)

and for 34 grand they suck dick, thats what they cost!!

[ss~zoso~ss]

yes my man

[MikeSomething]

Wow, I dunno what is, but I even wanna race this kid now...

[jomo]

Let them all have it honda boy. I respect you for coming on this board and not talking alot of shit like alot of guys here.

If your happy with your car great. You know what your car can do that's all that matters. Go have the race and then go out with them for a beer. Racing is all about fun and making friends not puting everyone down that don't have the same car as you.:rl:

[s2knky]

Now there's someone who gets it. :yup:

Let them all have it honda boy. I respect you for coming on this board and not talking alot of shit like alot of guys here.

If your happy with your car great. You know what your car can do that's all that matters. Go have the race and then go out with them for a beer. Racing is all about fun and making friends not puting everyone down that don't have the same car as you.:rl:

[s2knky]

Stock S is easily 13.9 with a perfect launch - consistently.

IRS isn't a bad thing. It's not the most desireable setup for the strip, granted.

GM apparently agrees, might look under the back of a Z06 sometime.

Ford caught onto that too. Ever look under an 03/04 Cobra ?

A properly designed IRS isn't going to hinder your 1/4 mile performance enough when countered with the substantial improvement in handling. :)

As far as most drivers having trouble getting it to nail those times - you are correct there. It's an art form massaging the car down the track. It's far from the "stab it and steer" mentality.

Pathetic lack of power? Well, from an N/A 2 liter, it makes enough power to get down the track as fast as a stock 00 LS1 'Maro. Add the weight of a convertible to that LS1 - and it's probably faster. You don't miss low end torque when the engines kicking your adrenaline in with 9k shifts. :nana:


How do you figure?? There's no way an intake, header, and exhaust is going to cut a full second from his 1/4 mile times.

Not to mention low 14's is the best they can run. Considering the cars pathetic lack of any low end power, combined with IRS, most driver's won't come close to low 14's.

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

Stock S is easily 13.9 with a perfect launch - consistently.

IRS isn't a bad thing. It's not the most desireable setup for the strip, granted.

GM apparently agrees, might look under the back of a Z06 sometime.

Ford caught onto that too. Ever look under an 03/04 Cobra ?

A properly designed IRS isn't going to hinder your 1/4 mile performance enough when countered with the substantial improvement in handling. :)

As far as most drivers having trouble getting it to nail those times - you are correct there. It's an art form massaging the car down the track. It's far from the "stab it and steer" mentality.

Pathetic lack of power? Well, from an N/A 2 liter, it makes enough power to get down the track as fast as a stock 00 LS1 'Maro. Add the weight of a convertible to that LS1 - and it's probably faster. You don't miss low end torque when the engines kicking your adrenaline in with 9k shifts. :nana:

IRS is known for wheel hop...which is a bad thing.

Yes vettes have IRS and that's also why stock for stock they usually dyno less then a f-bod.

A popular mod for the 03/04 cobras is a solid rear swap...believe it or not

I've never seen a stock s2000 trap 100+...which even a poorly driven stock ls1 can do. I'm sure with a great driver the sk is capable of 100+ traps but put that same driver behind a ls1 and again they're not comparable in a straight line. I really don't like to bench race so i'm going to end it there.

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

There are numerous S2000s in the 11s. Slapping on a Novi 1000 and a 50 shot accomplishes that on stock drivetrain and internals. The clutch isn't going to last long like that...but it will do it.



http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0307scc_2000_honda_s2000/

Probably a crap tune but this sk has the novi blower you're talking about and is only running a 13.9...but it's also pink so who knows what else is wrong with the car:lol:

[s2knky]

Yeah, I'm running better than that N/A. Anyone can stick a blower on a motor. It's all about the fuel and ignition tuning. :)

[s2knky]

I'd always heard about problems with wheel hop and IRS - and even with no weight, I've never had a problem with it.

The cobra guys that swap over to solid rear axle, are all about drag. I don't see the IRS as a bad thing on those, they're plenty quick.

IRS is known for wheel hop...which is a bad thing.

Yes vettes have IRS and that's also why stock for stock they usually dyno less then a f-bod.

A popular mod for the 03/04 cobras is a solid rear swap...believe it or not

I've never seen a stock s2000 trap 100+...which even a poorly driven stock ls1 can do. I'm sure with a great driver the sk is capable of 100+ traps but put that same driver behind a ls1 and again they're not comparable in a straight line. I really don't like to bench race so i'm going to end it there.

[Wesman]

Stock S is easily 13.9 with a perfect launch - consistently.

Yea, too bad you admitted yourself that the car is next to impossible to launch well. Therefore running a 13.9 is highly unlikely for anyone but mag testers.

IRS isn't a bad thing. It's not the most desireable setup for the strip, granted.

We're taking about drag racing - in which case IRS is a disadvantage, in more ways than one. Increased weight, wheel hops, and more prone to breakage - not a good thing when drag racing.

GM apparently agrees, might look under the back of a Z06 sometime.

The Corvette has always had IRS, its a great system designed for both drag racing and road racing. Its not some 2 year old Honda setup that was designed without straight line racing in mind, whatsoever.

Ford caught onto that too. Ever look under an 03/04 Cobra ?

Yep - and its been nothing but problems. So many problems in fact, that many owners convert to a solid axle setup from a GT or Mach 1. The Cobra setup weighs a lot more than a solid axle, and its prone to breaking halfshafts under a hard launch. I'd take a solid axle over that anyday.

Pathetic lack of power? Well, from an N/A 2 liter, it makes enough power to get down the track as fast as a stock 00 LS1 'Maro. Add the weight of a convertible to that LS1 - and it's probably faster. You don't miss low end torque when the engines kicking your adrenaline in with 9k shifts. :nana:

You must be misinformed my riceboy friend - a stock '00 Camaro would blow the doors off of your car at the strip, auto or M6. In fact, even ne with crappy 2.73 gears would waste an S2000. They run low 13's stock, thats a full second faster. Not to mention a stock LS1 traps about 10MPH faster than a stock S2K - and thats a huge difference.

[SSwt00SS]

update TSS...?

[ss~zoso~ss]

External Modifications : Comptech supercharger
system with Paxton Novi
1000, Ractive chrome tip
exhaust (non functional)


:lmao:

[02sunsetss]

External Modifications : Comptech supercharger
system with Paxton Novi
1000, Ractive chrome tip
exhaust (non functional)


:lmao:


Seriously dude...I have read through your last 100 posts, and you have not contributed to a single conversation besides lame puns and comments...Shut up and go back to off-topic where you belong.

[ss~zoso~ss]

why dont you just shut the fuck up, what have i started with you?

you are the ass hole here, because you just started shit in a well established thread, its alright tho because you are a fuckin noob anyways

[02sunsetss]

HAHA...Alright dude comments like honduh power and the 3 other pointless post you made didn't shit on the thread??? I'm done, but seriously I know people agree with me... and the noob comment cuts deep...LOL Get a life.

[s2knky]

Stock camaro LS1s run low 13s stock? I see an awful lot of them just barely cutting under 14. Given - driver experience is alot of it, but I've been around the strip for 10 years now. I'd give them 13.7s consistently at best - in stock trim.

Exclusively in the category of strength for dragstrip type launches, a solid rear axle would be beneficial on high torque motors. It's also an achilles heel if you ever want to actually take the car out and drive it. My little 220whp "honduh" had no trouble today leaving a following pair of 350+ whp Mustangs through a fine array of twisties. I didn't even have to downshift to pull out of visibility.

I don't think the C1 vettes had IRS - but otherwise you're correct there. I hadn't realized that they'd been employing that technology so long. The few C3's I've been under have some crazy flipped rear leaf spring. Kinda looked like a cheap way out of doing a real coil setup.

Living in Kentucky, the Vette museum is only a couple hours a way. It's an impressive display if you're ever in that neck of the woods.

Enough of the riceboy comments also. My car sees the track and the dyno, not the sticker shop and the pep boys parking lot. :nono:


Yea, too bad you admitted yourself that the car is next to impossible to launch well. Therefore running a 13.9 is highly unlikely for anyone but mag testers.



We're taking about drag racing - in which case IRS is a disadvantage, in more ways than one. Increased weight, wheel hops, and more prone to breakage - not a good thing when drag racing.



The Corvette has always had IRS, its a great system designed for both drag racing and road racing. Its not some 2 year old Honda setup that was designed without straight line racing in mind, whatsoever.



Yep - and its been nothing but problems. So many problems in fact, that many owners convert to a solid axle setup from a GT or Mach 1. The Cobra setup weighs a lot more than a solid axle, and its prone to breaking halfshafts under a hard launch. I'd take a solid axle over that anyday.



You must be misinformed my riceboy friend - a stock '00 Camaro would blow the doors off of your car at the strip, auto or M6. In fact, even ne with crappy 2.73 gears would waste an S2000. They run low 13's stock, thats a full second faster. Not to mention a stock LS1 traps about 10MPH faster than a stock S2K - and thats a huge difference.

[shady milkman]

wesman take a chill pill damn..he's no rice boy..and for a 2 litter they put up good numbers plain and simple..civics are rice..s2000 aren't

[Wesman]

wesman take a chill pill damn..he's no rice boy..and for a 2 litter they put up good numbers plain and simple..civics are rice..s2000 aren't

Umm..sorry but I disagree. I'd consider any Jap car with a buzzy, no torque 4 banger "rice". S2000 included. He's a ricer, plain and simple - he claims LS1s run 14's - yea okay , maybe in ricerland, the same place where S2K's run 13s...please :rolleyes:

[Wesman]

Stock camaro LS1s run low 13s stock? I see an awful lot of them just barely cutting under 14. Given - driver experience is alot of it, but I've been around the strip for 10 years now. I'd give them 13.7s consistently at best - in stock trim.

Barely under 14?? Are you sure you're not talking about LT1s?? The LS1 runs low 13's stock with a good driver, plain and simple. My car cut a 13.2 stock, its an M6 LS1 T/A. Get a clue.

Exclusively in the category of strength for dragstrip type launches, a solid rear axle would be beneficial on high torque motors. It's also an achilles heel if you ever want to actually take the car out and drive it. My little 220whp "honduh" had no trouble today leaving a following pair of 350+ whp Mustangs through a fine array of twisties. I didn't even have to downshift to pull out of visibility.

An Achilles heel?? Have you even ever driven anything besides an S2000?? Obviously not, typical import driver claiming "solid axle Domestics can't handle". My WS6 has front and rear performance sway bars, 17" wheels on Eagle F1s, Strut Brace, and Bilsteins at all 4 corners. Your car would not leave me behind in the twisties. Outhandling a stock Mustang is pointless, obviously its not going to handle as well as an S2000 stock for stock.

I don't think the C1 vettes had IRS - but otherwise you're correct there. I hadn't realized that they'd been employing that technology so long. The few C3's I've been under have some crazy flipped rear leaf spring. Kinda looked like a cheap way out of doing a real coil setup.

Enough of the riceboy comments also. My car sees the track and the dyno, not the sticker shop and the pep boys parking lot. :nono:

Okay...you're on LS1.com bragging about your 4 cylinder Honda, and telling us that LS1's run 14's and Domestics can't handle. You're a ricer, sorry to brek it to you bud :rolleyes:

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

s2knky doesn't sound like a ricer to me...he actually sounds more like a car enthusiast. He doesn't own a ls1 and there's nothing wrong with that. IMO there's nothing wrong with a properly modded "import"...his car is quick.

[s2knky]

There's just no reasoning with some people. The V8 / I4 flame never gets resolved, no point in egging it on.

This is where the Honda guy starts the power to weight rant. Then the V8 guy keeps poking at, "What power?". Then it generally resorts to name calling.....oh wait, someone already did that.

Guess he's ahead of the game.


Umm..sorry but I disagree. I'd consider any Jap car with a buzzy, no torque 4 banger "rice". S2000 included. He's a ricer, plain and simple - he claims LS1s run 14's - yea okay , maybe in ricerland, the same place where S2K's run 13s...please :rolleyes:

[third_shift|studios]

:Popcorn:

....soooo when you wanna run em? Saturday is "stick car" day at edgewater i think. It might be bracketing, which I will not do.

[third_shift|studios]

It's quicker now - but still mid 13s at best. No torque, no weight, and high revs make for a bitch to launch. Even the ones in the 10s are barely getting their 60' under 1.8

Grrrr... won't let me post URLs....here, do the math.

media.putfile.com/S2kVsStang

damn, that was a nice run

[s2knky]

Barely under 14?? Are you sure you're not talking about LT1s?? The LS1 runs low 13's stock with a good driver, plain and simple. My car cut a 13.2 stock, its an M6 LS1 T/A. Get a clue.

So you're saying the WS6 runs 13.2s, on pump gas, on stock rubber. If that's factual, then I stand corrected. Maybe the dozens of stock LS1 powered cars I see at the track just haven't been driven right.

An Achilles heel?? Have you even ever driven anything besides an S2000?? Obviously not, typical import driver claiming "solid axle Domestics can't handle". My WS6 has front and rear performance sway bars, 17" wheels on Eagle F1s, Strut Brace, and Bilsteins at all 4 corners. Your car would not leave me behind in the twisties. Outhandling a stock Mustang is pointless, obviously its not going to handle as well as an S2000 stock for stock.

A better question would be have you ever autocrossed? F-bodys don't generally fare too well. Vettes have their hands full with properly driven Integras. This isn't opinion, it's fact. Read the standings on any SCCA chapters pages. Solid rear axle isn't built for the twisties - good suspension or no. It's even to the point now, where an amazing little machine built by Lotus, is giving C6 vettes a really good match on the tracks with good straightaways.


Okay...you're on LS1.com bragging about your 4 cylinder Honda, and telling us that LS1's run 14's and Domestics can't handle. You're a ricer, sorry to brek it to you bud :rolleyes:

You might re-read my posts. I don't brag. Stating reality and posting factual information aren't bragging, particularly when I'm being anonymously attacked on a forum I didn't even belong too. I'm not stating anything that isn't true. In the event I am posting opinions - you might see the little IMO tag. Also, if I stand corrected, I'm happy to admit fault. Notice my comment on the vettes - I wasn't aware they had been IRS for so long.

The real challenge here is to open your eyes. There's so much more to fast cars than 6 liter V8s and solid rear axles.

[shady milkman]

You might re-read my posts. I don't brag. Stating reality and posting factual information aren't bragging, particularly when I'm being anonymously attacked on a forum I didn't even belong too. I'm not stating anything that isn't true. In the event I am posting opinions - you might see the little IMO tag. Also, if I stand corrected, I'm happy to admit fault. Notice my comment on the vettes - I wasn't aware they had been IRS for so long.

The real challenge here is to open your eyes. There's so much more to fast cars than 6 liter V8s and solid rear axles.

PREACH!!!!!!!!!! to the childern....Preach! :D

[jomo]

The more I read this thread the more I like this honda guy. Do you have any more pictures of that girl in your sig???

[s2knky]

None with that many clothes on. :cool2: :nana:

The more I read this thread the more I like this honda guy. Do you have any more pictures of that girl in your sig???

[Stone]

Well post em then!!!! Or PM them!!!:yup:

[s2knky]

Lol. Trying to recall her name. At the Atlanta HIN last year. Chick you always see with Lorabel Rey....April something or other....

[Street Lethal]

Stock camaro LS1s run low 13s stock? I see an awful lot of them just barely cutting under 14. Given - driver experience is alot of it, but I've been around the strip for 10 years now. I'd give them 13.7s consistently at best - in stock trim.

This doesn't say much for the drivers in your area then. Driving experience has more than just a lot to do with it. Last month, my buddy brought his LS7 inspired ZO6 to e-Town for a couple of runs. He had the car for a few months before that, as is more than an experienced driver (we've been racing together since the advent of the LT1).

Being new to vette's, the best that he could pull off with it was a 12.11...

A bet was made behind the scenes, and after a great deal of convincing... he surrendered his keys to another friend of ours, being very fluent w/vettes, to drive for him. The burn out was made, they pulled up to the tree, third yellow light flashed, clutch was dropped, and he ended with an 11.69. Yes, driving experience has a lot to do with it. ;)

[s2knky]

Oh absolutely. My first trip to the track in my S2000 I don't think I ran under a 15 flat. Prior to that the only RWD cars I'd launched had been 302 powered Stangs - which are just a matter of feathering 1st gear until traction sets in, and easing it into 2nd to keep it straight.

People who don't frequently sit in front of the tree and get the adrenaline rush don't know the beauty of a well exectured run. :)

This doesn't say much for the drivers in your area then. Driving experience has more than just a lot to do with it. Last month, my buddy brought his LS7 inspired ZO6 to e-Town for a couple of runs. He had the car for a few months before that, as is more than an experienced driver (we've been racing together since the advent of the LT1).

Being new to vette's, the best that he could pull off with it was a 12.11...

A bet was made behind the scenes, and after a great deal of convincing... he surrendered his keys to another friend of ours, being very fluent w/vettes, to drive for him. The burn out was made, they pulled up to the tree, third yellow light flashed, clutch was dropped, and he ended with an 11.69. Yes, driving experience has a lot to do with it. ;)

[Wesman]

So you're saying the WS6 runs 13.2s, on pump gas, on stock rubber. If that's factual, then I stand corrected. Maybe the dozens of stock LS1 powered cars I see at the track just haven't been driven right.

Yes, that is factual. Stock motor, stock tires, and pump gas. The majority of people can't drive, it takes a good driver to run a car at its peak performance.

You might re-read my posts. I don't brag. Stating reality and posting factual information aren't bragging, particularly when I'm being anonymously attacked on a forum I didn't even belong too. I'm not stating anything that isn't true. In the event I am posting opinions - you might see the little IMO tag. Also, if I stand corrected, I'm happy to admit fault. Notice my comment on the vettes - I wasn't aware they had been IRS for so long.

You're telling us that you "don't brag", yet you're on an LS1 site trying to tell us how great your Honda S2000 is. We don't think they are great, otherwise we would have bought one of those instead. So basically we don't want to hear your opinion of how you think the S2000 is better than an LS1, because we don't agree. Simple as that.

The real challenge here is to open your eyes. There's so much more to fast cars than 6 liter V8s and solid rear axles.

I know that. I've plenty of cars, everything from 4 cylinder riceburners to 70's muscle cars. I know what I like to drive, and despite what you claim, I don't think S2000's are great cars at all. Its a gutless 4 cylinder, it sounds like crap, and it looks like a chick car. Thats my opinion, I'm not "close minded" despite what you may think, that just what I've concluded based on my own experience and observations. After driving a 4 cylinder Jap car, my LS1 T/A just makes me realize how much more I like American muscle :yup:

[s2knky]

Once again, you overstate sir.

Every platform has it's own advantages. I never liken any to being completely superior over another. Talking the ups and downs of setups and configurations, that's a different story.

By saying "we" you also might be overstating. The consesus appears to be the opposite.

You like your LS1. I get it. I like my Honda. You get it. Knocking my car with each post and sticking a label on me while claiming to be an experienced car guy just presents you as immature and condescending, IMO anyway.

I only jumped on here after noticing someone deciding it was the cool thing to do to start ripping on me publicly on a forum I didn't subscribe to. It would seem from some of the postings, that there is a nice variety of automotive background on here, and probably a wealth of knowledge and experience to draw from.

This wealth doesn't include ricer comments and personal attacks.

Now - in an attempt to get past the flaming....since it sounds like you've been doing the car thing, what kinda numbers you getting out of that massive V8? Generally people who have shopped around a bit know what they want to build, and put the right parts on. :) Perhaps that conversation should be continued in another forum? Dunno about the format here.

Yes, that is factual. Stock motor, stock tires, and pump gas. The majority of people can't drive, it takes a good driver to run a car at its peak performance.



You're telling us that you "don't brag", yet you're on an LS1 site trying to tell us how great your Honda S2000 is. We don't think they are great, otherwise we would have bought one of those instead. So basically we don't want to hear your opinion of how you think the S2000 is better than an LS1, because we don't agree. Simple as that.



I know that. I've plenty of cars, everything from 4 cylinder riceburners to 70's muscle cars. I know what I like to drive, and despite what you claim, I don't think S2000's are great cars at all. Its a gutless 4 cylinder, it sounds like crap, and it looks like a chick car. Thats my opinion, I'm not "close minded" despite what you may think, that just what I've concluded based on my own experience and observations. After driving a 4 cylinder Jap car, my LS1 T/A just makes me realize how much more I like American muscle :yup:

[shady milkman]

man this wesman guys getting old...almost every post he has posted.. has 4 instances of "rice" in each one :brick: ..i don't have a prob with wesman..but he's bashing this guy for really no reason...honda guy i'm on your side..and i think most of the people on this forum are..your a car enthusist and thats all matters.. welcome to the ls1 forum :nana:

[Zboner]

gay, race em and then talk shit to each other, lol

[third_shift|studios]

gay, race em and then talk shit to each other, lol

+1:dot:

[third_shift|studios]

oh well, looks like he punk'd out, guess i win by default. he wrote this on the other board:

Quite frankly, my feelings on the matter are this is a closed item. After being informed of the flaming assault going on toward my person and my vehicle, I'd think I have every right to be a bit peeved.

Years of doing this online thing and doing the car thing though tends to make one thick skinned, and realize people do talk alot of shit, and it generally doesn't mean anything.

I gain nothing by racing you but putting myself in a position to get a costly ticket.

I've gotten costly tickets before. I'm not going there again if I can help it.

I go to the track with a camera and post my runs and slips. I couldn't bs anybody about how fast my car is if I wanted to. It is what it is, and the numbers are posted.

If you run faster than that - you win. If you don't - I win. Either way, the smack talk is unappreciated and uncalled for.

I'm the first person to talk my car up, because it's a beautiful machine, and I enjoy every minute of driving it.

I'm also the first person to compliment a well treated 350z, STi, redneck limousine, Mustang, you name it.

I facilitate a friendly car forum with this board, that I pay to host every month because I enjoy the community and company of serious car enthusiasts, without the BS.

[91Z28]

oh well, looks like he punk'd out, guess i win by default. he wrote this on the other board:

"Redneck Limousine" I can tell by that post that guy is a major league douche.