Y pipes

[tigersport14]

can someone please elaborate on these "Y-pipes". do they come out of the headers? and whats different about Off road Y-pipes? ahh this is kinda confusing for a 17 year old

[Zboner]

yes they come off the headers into one section like a "Y" hence the name, lol, and ORY(off road Y pipe) is gutted meaning it has not cats on the pipe

[tigersport14]

is the ORY louder? what does the "Y" lead to?

[Zboner]

yes louder cause the cats are gone, and the Y leads to the I pipe into the muffler

[tigersport14]

ohh, so i should get ORY pipes, and what kind of mufflers? SLP loudmouth?

[BlackLT1Z28]

You should only get an ORY if you don't have emissions testings. You need cats to pass emissions.

[Zboner]

You should only get an ORY if you don't have emissions testings. You need cats to pass emissions.


:yup:


of you want loud get the Loudmouth, i mean loud, and it has a lot of rasp about 2,300-2,500

[tigersport14]

so i should just get, pacesetter headers and loudmouth?

[BlackLT1Z28]

The loudmouth I had on my last Z sounded good, and I didn't have any raspy sounds at all. I am actually thinking of getting another one because, for some reason, my longtube headers actually quieted down my exhaust note, and I wanted something a little louder. So I might go with the loudmouths again. Stainless Steel for cheap.

[Zboner]

The loudmouth I had on my last Z sounded good, and I didn't have any raspy sounds at all. I am actually thinking of getting another one because, for some reason, my longtube headers actually quieted down my exhaust note, and I wanted something a little louder. So I might go with the loudmouths again. Stainless Steel for cheap.


on every LS1 car I have heard it has rasp and a lot of it

[BlackLT1Z28]

so i should just get, pacesetter headers and loudmouth?

There are many possibilities you could go with. Check out www.ls1sounds.com for various soundclips of setups people are running.

[tigersport14]

how much will pacesetter LT's and loud mouth run me?

[Zboner]

so i should just get, pacesetter headers and loudmouth?


i got pacesetters on my Z and they a good bang for the buck:yup:

[Zboner]

how much will pacesetter LT's and loud mouth run me?


can you do it your self?

[BlackLT1Z28]

on every LS1 car I have heard it has rasp and a lot of it

Never heard it on an LS1, just a few LT1's.

[tigersport14]

can you do it your self?

that would be a big negative

[BlackLT1Z28]

Fitment of the EGR crap on my pacesetter's suck. Still fighting it right now.

[BlackLT1Z28]

that would be a big negative

Then you will have to shell out extra cash for an install and that isn't cheap for headers. Look to pay between $400-$600.

[tigersport14]

im just a teenager with nothing to do but spend money on my car, whats something good i can do for about 2-3 grand for sound

[BlackLT1Z28]

im just a teenager with nothing to do but spend money on my car, whats something good i can do for about 2-3 grand for sound

Cam with true duals.

[tigersport14]

what will true duals do, what does a stock T/A come with?

[Zboner]

Cam with true duals.


i agree:yup:

[tigersport14]

will a cam make it louder?

[Zboner]

i used to have them and it will make it sound like this

[Zboner]

http://edigras.iweb.bsu.edu/Public/LS1/P7280188.MOV

[Zboner]

will a cam make it louder?


yea depends on the lift you want to go with and the LSA

[BlackLT1Z28]

Hell yeah. Nothing like a lopy cam with true duals dumped before the axle. Well, open headers with a lopy cam trumps ALL.

[tigersport14]

this is the sound im looking for ----

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/trans+am+ws6/1/cb7c498c-ccae-46e5-8a66-f911292ec30d.htm

[Zboner]

find it here,


www.ls1sounds.com (http://www.ls1sounds.com)

[BlackLT1Z28]

Sounds good, but I think this is my favorite that I've found so far. Mean as HELL.
http://www.ls1sounds.com/SLPloudmouth/LM_PacesetterLT_ORY_TR224-114_timcam.wmv

[Zboner]

Hell yeah. Nothing like a lopy cam with true duals dumped before the axle. Well, open headers with a lopy cam trumps ALL.


I had the open headers for a LONG time, got old, then the true duals, they were ok to low for me, ran a cutout on a Y pipe for a while, now im waiting on my Borla to come in

[BlackLT1Z28]

Borla are too expensive IMO. Loudmouth are stainless steel too and cost half the price.

And after my header install, I ran open headers for a few days, and they got old quick. Fun when driving for fun, but driving from place to place, the noise gave me headaches it was so loud. But fun when I wanted attention from other mototists.

[Zboner]

Borla are too expensive IMO. Loudmouth are stainless steel too and cost half the price.


got mine for 400 shipped to my shop:nana:

[Zboner]

im getting two electric cutouts after the headers soon

[BlackLT1Z28]

got mine for 400 shipped to my shop:nana:

Damn! $400!? New or used? That's what I was planning on paying for the LM's, if I decide to get a new catback (long story).

[BlackLT1Z28]

im getting two electric cutouts after the headers soon

That's gonna be sweet, but I'm not paying the install charge for those. Plus the elctric cutouts are $200 a piece, the ones that I've found at least.

[Zboner]

Damn! $400!? New or used? That's what I was planning on paying for the LM's, if I decide to get a new catback (long story).


used, wished i would of waited, a GMMG is going for 400 on here, i wish i would of gotten that one also, and Borla is stainless also

[Zboner]

That's gonna be sweet, but I'm not paying the install charge for those. Plus the elctric cutouts are $200 a piece, the ones that I've found at least.


yea i found a place on my local site that sells the for less then that, and ill put them in my self:yup:

[tigersport14]

Sounds good, but I think this is my favorite that I've found so far. Mean as HELL.
http://www.ls1sounds.com/SLPloudmouth/LM_PacesetterLT_ORY_TR224-114_timcam.wmv

i now know what i want lol, how much will that run me?

[Zboner]

it has a decaent sized cam in here though man also, on a 114

[BlackLT1Z28]

GMMG are nice too, but pricey again. Those go for around $800 too, new anyway. Not a bad deal though.
What type of headers/y-pipe setup you got ZBoner? My pacesetter Y-pipe goes a long way down the tunnel, I had to chop off a lot of my flowmaster catback to get it to fit. How much do you think I would have ot chop off of the LM if I got those? Would I still have room for the modular design?

[tigersport14]

whats a 114?

[BlackLT1Z28]

it has a decaent sized cam in here though man also, on a 114

Told ya it was sounded sweet. But cam and valvetrain for that sized cam is not cheap, plus full exhaust and install. That would blow your wad of cash quick. You may need a small load.

[BlackLT1Z28]

whats a 114?

That's the cam's lobe separation angle (LSA). It describes the angular distance between the intake centerline and exhaust centerline of the cam. One of the characteristics of lope.

[Zboner]

GMMG are nice too, but pricey again. Those go for around $800 too, new anyway. Not a bad deal though.
What type of headers/y-pipe setup you got ZBoner? My pacesetter Y-pipe goes a long way down the tunnel, I had to chop off a lot of my flowmaster catback to get it to fit. How much do you think I would have ot chop off of the LM if I got those? Would I still have room for the modular design?

noy sure never ran a CB before on my car, only the stock one, i have pacesetters also, and a custom Y pipe from the local LS1 guys here in Cincy.

i see why you want antoher CB now

[tigersport14]

so i should just get cam and true duals?

[Zboner]

Told ya it was sounded sweet. But cam and valvetrain for that sized cam is not cheap, plus full exhaust and install. That would blow your wad of cash quick. You may need a small load.


tell me about it, i had everything here done to my car in 5 months, and had a shop do it since i dont have time with work and school and other projects

[Zboner]

oh yea engine and transmission were all rebuilt at the same time

[Zboner]

so i should just get cam and true duals?


you can, but you wont have very good clearance in your car, very low to the ground i hit a lot of shit in mine, but you cant beat the sound IMO:yup:

[Zboner]

my cam "kit" was $800 for a custom grind from Comp

[tigersport14]

ehh...why dont i just get pacesetter headers and LM...

[BlackLT1Z28]

oh yea engine and transmission were all rebuilt at the same time

DAMN! That's a lot of shit at one time. You probably could have bought a house for that.

Yeah, the flowmasters came with the car and sounded really good as just a catback. So, I figured that LT's would improve that sound and give me what I wanted. Nope, it actually got quieter. I am pissed. I was done with the car after the headers and not planning to spend anymore money for aftermarket mods, but I don't know now. I don't want my parents to kill me though, either.

[BlackLT1Z28]

ehh...why dont i just get pacesetter headers and LM...

You could...I am actually debating that right now. I might get a new catback...

[Zboner]

ehh...why dont i just get pacesetter headers and LM...


for an LT1 car its a LOT less like around 350-400 for the same thing usually you gout get a LT4 hot cam or something like that:yup:

[Zboner]

DAMN! That's a lot of shit at one time. You probably could have bought a house for that.

Yeah, the flowmasters came with the car and sounded really good as just a catback. So, I figured that LT's would improve that sound and give me what I wanted. Nope, it actually got quieter. I am pissed. I was done with the car after the headers and not planning to spend anymore money for aftermarket mods, but I don't know now. I don't want my parents to kill me though, either.

it was but were young, single for the first time in my life and want to spend my money on me, if i work for and am paying for school i want to be able to have a little fun with the car at least, you should just do it cause when we get married we wont be able to do it

[tigersport14]

no my car is a v6 firebird, im talking about in 2 months when i get my 98 or 99 LS1 t/a

[Zboner]

oh, dude, you can do the install of the headers on the LS1 car your self, it only took me 6 hours without a lift and dicking around and eating dinner and a lot of breaks also

[BlackLT1Z28]

for an LT1 car its a LOT less like around 350-400 for the same thing usually you gout get a LT4 hot cam or something like that:yup:

With his lack of knowledge right now (no offense), I don't think he should be looking at cam kits right now.

Pacesetter coated LT's + Y-pipe= ~ $520
SLP loudmouth catback= ~ $420
Plus install if you don't do it yourself.

[BlackLT1Z28]

oh, dude, you can do the install of the headers on the LS1 car your self, it only took me 6 hours without a lift and dicking around and eating dinner and a lot of breaks also

My car was down for 2 weeks for my install. I had work and shit to take care of and didn't work on it everyday. But that car fought me every step of the way. From rusty bolts to fitment issues. I had to get a cherry picker and lift the engine on the passenger side to clear the header. My install experience was a bitch.

[tigersport14]

no offense taken man lol, im new to LS1s...im a newbie. thx for the prices though! im def. gonna do that first thing once my dad finally buys my T/A. he said if i get all A"s and B's at the end of the semester he'll buy me a T/A for about 10k. i have 5 A's and B right now...im doin pretty good...

[tigersport14]

im goin to bed, thx for the help guys!

[BlackLT1Z28]

Spoiled bastard! I had to buy both of my Z's. And mine are only LT1's. But that's cool. More mod money in your pocket. Just make sure you have a plan first and not go out and buy a bunch of random parts because you hear people talk about them on forums.

[tigersport14]

im not really sure what im doing first, ill probably wait until summer to do my mods

[Zboner]

do it over winter so the car is not down when you want to drive it

[tigersport14]

i wont have the money by then

[BlackLT1Z28]

Have the parents float you a loan and try not to get any interest.

[tigersport14]

so its bad to get that stuff during the summer?

[Zboner]

no, just saying if you want your car down in the summer when you could be out driving it

[tigersport14]

ill be fine for a week or 2

[BlackLT1Z28]

That's what you think now, but wait till then when everyone has their hotrods out and your stuck in your garage trying to piece your car back together. J/k dude. You'll be fine. But I'd do it in the spring when its cooler to work on it.

[tigersport14]

actually im paying for installation lol

[BlackLT1Z28]

That sucks. Do it yourself and spend the install money on another mod. I was going to have them installed, but decided to try it and saved myself $500.