procharger vs ststurbo

[7camaro7]

guys I'm seriously confused on which power adder of these two that I want. There is a guy around here with a sts turboed t/a pushing 500hp and his exhaust sounds great.

exhaust is a big thing to me. This is kinda why I want to go the supercharger route. I'm really confused though. they offer the same power really as far as I've seen.

but which one is really the best?

[Tman]

There really is no "best"..............you price check, ask questions (like you did here), then find out which application best suites your needs.

Myself, I went with Vortech.

[Packy]

There really is no "best"..............you price check, ask questions (like you did here), then find out which application best suites your needs.

Myself, I went with Vortech.

Yeah, what he said. It just depends on which set-up you prefer and how/where you want to make power. The STS kit will probably produce better torque down low and throught the middle rpm range than the S/C. However I think that an ATI D-1SC will produce more peak horsepower and top end power.

[7camaro7]

I think I'd rather get the low end power because I don't get too high in speeds.I really like powerful acceleration. I'd rather have both top and low end, but there is always a compromise.

Damn, this is a tough one... I like racing from a dig and I like cruising on the interstate or expressway and racing from a roll.

overall which is the most reliable and best overall performer?

[Ed Blown Vert]

If you are lowered, the STS may be a problem. If you don't plan on making alot of power it may also be a good option.

I run a Procharger. And because I have torque converter, I get into boost right away. I can also spray if I need more low end torque.

[Packy]

I think I'd rather get the low end power because I don't get too high in speeds.I really like powerful acceleration. I'd rather have both top and low end, but there is always a compromise.

Damn, this is a tough one... I like racing from a dig and I like cruising on the interstate or expressway and racing from a roll.

overall which is the most reliable and best overall performer?

I have never drove an STS car but I have ridden in one with the same boost level as mine and I don't think they have as much pull as a Procharger. In my car for instance I have enough power to fight traction problems on my low to mid rpm range. However in the upper rpm range it pulls hard until redline in each gear. Now I have heard that some of the STS style set-ups can be rather restricted at higher hp levels. I don't know much about the system except for what I hear from people and read on the forums.

[cailey37]

There are pros and cons to any system......in the "old" days people would say that there was just too much lag from a turbo but those days have really changed.......I've ridden in a S/C car and I own a turbo car and I tell you it really depends on your setup.......the one thing with turbos is making sure you match up the A/R rating to your motor. The A/R rating of the turbo will decide how your car will respond......get a A/R that's too big for the motor and you will have lag.....get one too small and you will lose top-end horsepower......the thing with turbos is you have to really "plan" for the install.....factoring in backpressure, compression ratio.....but if you do plan for it and match up your car with the right turbo I think you'll be happy....now.....as for the STS system.....well.....I'm not too impressed with it for various reasons.......decent performance but I just dont like the air filter sitting where it does....picks up water!!! And, there have been several people that have problems with oil leaking out of it......I've talked to Rick Squires about this really in length but I think it just boils down to having the turbo back in the back of the car and getting the oil out of there quick enough via a pump.......I think they will be improving on this in the future though.......I'm a die-hard turbo guy but you live in Chattanooga and I grew up in Rhea County, just up the road from you, so I know it rains a lot there.......if you plan on keeping the car as a daily driver then I'd think about that......I'm currently working on putting twin turbos on a f-body car where the turbos are located right off the manifolds....I think it can be done but we'll see.......I just like having A/C in a car also.....:) call me a whimp...

ok...I've rambled on enough....if anyone would like a better explanation let me know and I'll try to be more detailed......

[7camaro7]

I appreciate it! I'm learning a lot!

[DadsYellowGoat]

There really is no "best"..............you price check, ask questions (like you did here), then find out which application best suites your needs.

Myself, I went with Vortech.

I have to agree with Tman and the rest it really depends on many things. I will just add this for you to consider. When you are just cruising on the highway with no push the STS is almost forgotten about until you press on the throttle and hear it spool up. Most of the "problems" I think fall into that, if you did not want to mess with it why did you mess with it. I know fellows with Maggies and they have problems but love them, I know guys with Prochargers and they have problems but love them and it is the same with the STS. My biggest complaint really is the ground clearance only about 3.5" at lowest spot but I deal with it.

[Pyromaniacal]

Well IMO I see turbos as conditional power, I know that if done properly lag is not an issue with a turbo setup. But even if planned properly, if you're turning a lot of boost out of a single turbo there's just simply going to be lag, no way around it.

Here's an idea for you, I would do this with either a Procharger or an STS. Drop the compression of the engine down to around 9.0, perhaps lower if you're on the turbo setup, at this point I'd recommend twin turbos (if this is really gettin' serious) and feed 15-25 pounds of turbo boost into the engine for some serious horsepower. The STS turbo as far as I know is only offered single, so it would be inefficient and not cost effective at this point. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, vs the D-1SC and P-1SC

With a Procharger setup you can feed that much boost into your engine with much less lag than the turbo set up, also without burning nearly as deep of a hole in your pocket. Again, I'm not sure of the exact price of the STS system, but I know you can pick up a D-1SC straight from a dealer for around 6000$, capable of running 18-20 pounds of boost, a little less if you're up in the mountains like I am. That, with the right set up (probably about 3,000$ worth of engine upgrades, making it all ready for large boost) can yield you well over 100% horsepower gain. Which can mean some VERY serious numbers. (800+ hp)

And thats even if you're looking for very high numbers, with a P-1SC you can run 8-12 pounds of boost and be looking at around 65-80% increase with a new fuel pump (or auxiliary line), and new fuel injectors (10 PSI+). And thats all.

So it depends on what you want I suppose. If you want something a little bit different and unique on a T/A or Camaro, and aren't looking for too much more than 600hp, STS is a very viable answer here. But if you're looking for the easier route, that can yield any amount of horsepower you wish it to, with significantly less lag than the turbo, that will not tap into your engine's oil supply, and requires little to no upgrades to your engine for +65% gains, backed by Procharger's excellent warranty (3 years if you keep it to their specifications, correct me if it has changed) I'd have to say my recommendation goes to Procharger.

Hope my essay helped you out a little, if I'm wrong about anything here plz correct me, thanks. And gl with your setup.

[Forcedinductiontech]

The down side to running a super charger is that you have a parasitic loss that continuously puts a load on the motor. It takes HP to make HP, whereas a turbo uses exhaust gas to turn...and therefore does not put a load on the motor at all times..Also, the turbo is sort of lke nitrous in the fact that it is there when you want it...where as a s/c is there all the time. There are pluses and minuses to both systems, but for overall performance I like the turbos, and as stated above, a properly matched turbo setup should yeild very little, if not almost zero lag.

[Ricer Cooker]

http://turbochargedpower.com/98-02%20Camaro%20-%20Firebird.htm
:uzi:

[Ed Blown Vert]

The down side to running a super charger is that you have a parasitic loss that continuously puts a load on the motor. It takes HP to make HP, whereas a turbo uses exhaust gas to turn...and therefore does not put a load on the motor at all times..Also, the turbo is sort of lke nitrous in the fact that it is there when you want it...where as a s/c is there all the time. There are pluses and minuses to both systems, but for overall performance I like the turbos, and as stated above, a properly matched turbo setup should yeild very little, if not almost zero lag.

Correction, Superchargers are not there all the time. You have to be under load and the bypass valve closed.

[7camaro7]

Well IMO I see turbos as conditional power, I know that if done properly lag is not an issue with a turbo setup. But even if planned properly, if you're turning a lot of boost out of a single turbo there's just simply going to be lag, no way around it.

Here's an idea for you, I would do this with either a Procharger or an STS. Drop the compression of the engine down to around 9.0, perhaps lower if you're on the turbo setup, at this point I'd recommend twin turbos (if this is really gettin' serious) and feed 15-25 pounds of turbo boost into the engine for some serious horsepower. The STS turbo as far as I know is only offered single, so it would be inefficient and not cost effective at this point. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, vs the D-1SC and P-1SC

With a Procharger setup you can feed that much boost into your engine with much less lag than the turbo set up, also without burning nearly as deep of a hole in your pocket. Again, I'm not sure of the exact price of the STS system, but I know you can pick up a D-1SC straight from a dealer for around 6000$, capable of running 18-20 pounds of boost, a little less if you're up in the mountains like I am. That, with the right set up (probably about 3,000$ worth of engine upgrades, making it all ready for large boost) can yield you well over 100% horsepower gain. Which can mean some VERY serious numbers. (800+ hp)

And thats even if you're looking for very high numbers, with a P-1SC you can run 8-12 pounds of boost and be looking at around 65-80% increase with a new fuel pump (or auxiliary line), and new fuel injectors (10 PSI+). And thats all.

So it depends on what you want I suppose. If you want something a little bit different and unique on a T/A or Camaro, and aren't looking for too much more than 600hp, STS is a very viable answer here. But if you're looking for the easier route, that can yield any amount of horsepower you wish it to, with significantly less lag than the turbo, that will not tap into your engine's oil supply, and requires little to no upgrades to your engine for +65% gains, backed by Procharger's excellent warranty (3 years if you keep it to their specifications, correct me if it has changed) I'd have to say my recommendation goes to Procharger.

Hope my essay helped you out a little, if I'm wrong about anything here plz correct me, thanks. And gl with your setup.

thanks! very helpful

bypass valve?

[7camaro7]

I plan on doing some engine work which should be done by next spring or summer. heads/cam/exhaust. I have some turbo'ed friends and their rides are sick!!! one is an eclipse, FULLY BUILT! its like a 95 and its faster than the sts'ed t/a that is pushin 500hp. any how the guy with the t/a says his turbo doesn't really kick in till 3rd gear on his m6, why is this? They've damn near got me convinced into saving for a turbo, but something inside me tells me procharger d-1sc

[Packy]

thanks! very helpful

bypass valve?

Similar to a blow off valve but it returns the compressed air to the intake track before the blower. SOme vent it into the atmosphere also.

[Forcedinductiontech]

Correction, Superchargers are not there all the time. You have to be under load and the bypass valve closed.
Ed, you still have a parasitic loss, just as you do with an alternator , powersteering pump and a/c compressor, because it is crank driven...(ie belt driven). It take power to spin that s/c even if its not under boost.

[Ed Blown Vert]

Ed, you still have a parasitic loss, just as you do with an alternator , powersteering pump and a/c compressor, because it is crank driven...(ie belt driven). It take power to spin that s/c even if its not under boost.

That is true. But I was talking about being in boost all the time like you said.

Also, the turbo is sort of lke nitrous in the fact that it is there when you want it...where as a s/c is there all the time.

[Forcedinductiontech]

That is true. But I was talking about being in boost all the time like you said.

I was meaning that it puts a load on the motor at all times. I can see I might hve sounded like I was meaning that it was under boost all the time. :)

[Ed Blown Vert]

I was meaning that it puts a load on the motor at all times. I can see I might hve sounded like I was meaning that it was under boost all the time. :)

Gotcha... :yup:

[7camaro7]

I talked to procharger today and they said there is no parasitic loss with their d-1sc system. They said its a more up to date supercharger with improvements.

[Ed Blown Vert]

I talked to procharger today and they said there is no parasitic loss with their d-1sc system. They said its a more up to date supercharger with improvements.

I can't believe that. That has to be some loss.

[huggerz28]

I agree anytime your engine is turning an accessory there is some loss. TURBO BABY TURBO!! :rockon:

[JD_Z28]

Go turbo. I have the STS kit with the 60-1 and I can kick a KB Cobras @ss. You should check out the dyno graph diffrence with a SC vs. Turbo. The STS kit works great, theres guys putting down over 800whp with the STS kit. Theres even an STS car in the 7's now.

[JAMES RODRIGUEZ]

Procharger for the kill.

[7camaro7]

Go turbo. I have the STS kit with the 60-1 and I can kick a KB Cobras @ss. You should check out the dyno graph diffrence with a SC vs. Turbo. The STS kit works great, theres guys putting down over 800whp with the STS kit. Theres even an STS car in the 7's now.

What's a "kb" cobra?

[7camaro7]

I can't believe that. That has to be some loss.

I wonder. I know that with turbo and s/c you have to lower the compression, right? well if you add pulleys to your engine wouldn't that help?

And you guys with the turbos on here, do you experience not much gain until 3rd like everybody I know?

[JD_Z28]

What's a "kb" cobra?

That stand for Kenne Bell. Do a search on KB Cobras. For the best power turbo FTW...

[FasstChevys]

Go turbo. I have the STS kit with the 60-1 and I can kick a KB Cobras @ss. You should check out the dyno graph diffrence with a SC vs. Turbo. The STS kit works great, theres guys putting down over 800whp with the STS kit. Theres even an STS car in the 7's now.

Remember, it's completely pointless to exceed 500 rwhp on a stock bottom end with either system, it just won't stand up to it.

[cailey37]

I wonder. I know that with turbo and s/c you have to lower the compression, right? well if you add pulleys to your engine wouldn't that help?

And you guys with the turbos on here, do you experience not much gain until 3rd like everybody I know?

The thing with a turbo that you have to remember is that it keeps right on breathing.......it wont go "flat" so to speak. I know a lot of guys that use maybe a 50 shot of nitrous to get out of the hole but after that you're hanging on for dear life.......I know some people will claim "lag" with a turbo but with the way they have them engineered these days it's minimal....plus if you match the turbo up to the engine you wont even notice it....

[Forcedinductiontech]

The thing with a turbo that you have to remember is that it keeps right on breathing.......it wont go "flat" so to speak. I know a lot of guys that use maybe a 50 shot of nitrous to get out of the hole but after that you're hanging on for dear life.......I know some people will claim "lag" with a turbo but with the way they have them engineered these days it's minimal....plus if you match the turbo up to the engine you wont even notice it....

To run anything higher that 6-8 psi on the stock setup is asking for trouble...imo. You can run the compression, you just have to make sure that you have the fuel to keep it from detonating. I see alot of people having problems with the turbo not reaching full potential till higher gears and my only thought is that the exhaust side is not properly matched to the rest of the system. If the exhaust wheel is to big it will take for ever to spool, were as if you have a smaller wheel...it will boost almost instantly, but you will be restricted in the upper R's. There is a happy medium that you can come to but it takes a little research, and a little fore thought as to what kind of gain you are expecting, vs realistic gains. My suggestion is to do a little research, and make some phone calls to some turbo manufactures. Tell them your plans, and they can suggest the right combo for your application.

[dementia]

I've been debating this for a while also and I've made up my mind, if/when i go FI I'm going turbo. As argued many times if properly matched the lag will be minimal. Another way of looking at it though is that any centrifugal supercharger will have lag also. They lag all the way till redline. Yea they're making boost throughout the RPMs but they make peak boost at redline. A turbo however will make peak boost at say 3500 rpms and hold peak boost till redline. This gives a turbo more area under the curve compared to a centri supercharger for any given boost level. When you add in the parasitic loss of superchargers the turbo will be making that much more power.

As for the argument that the supercharged car felt faster than the turbo one (assuming they had similar supporting mods and were running similar boost levels) that should be expected. Once a turbo gets into boost it'll hold the same boost level. This means that what you're feeling is a sudden jolt and then constancy at max hp/torque. Therefore once youre into boost you're not feeling much change in the amount of power. A centrifugal supercharger will be starting out at lower hp/torque levels and maxes out at redline. The constant rising of power is what makes it feel faster. You can physically feel it making more and more power till redline. That doesnt necessarily mean its faster though.

[7camaro7]

So which is faster? and would you say that one is better for drag racing and one is better for road racing? I'd naturally assume that the supercharger is better for drag racing and building straight power up for a short distance and the turbo well once it gets spooled up will keep boost as long as you stay in a certain rpm range like you probably would during auto cross, right?

[JD_Z28]

So which is faster? and would you say that one is better for drag racing and one is better for road racing? I'd naturally assume that the supercharger is better for drag racing and building straight power up for a short distance and the turbo well once it gets spooled up will keep boost as long as you stay in a certain rpm range like you probably would during auto cross, right?

I drag mine and I don't really have much lag. If you launch at a high enough rpm and feather off the clutch you build boost of the line, after your shift your rpms should hold high enough to were your still under boost. I would think turbo is better for drag epecially if you have a 2 step because you could launch on higher boost levels without feathering your clutch. Like someone said earlier, once you make full boost it holds all the way untill redline.

[7camaro7]

I'm stuck in the middle right now.

[FasstChevys]

I'm stuck in the middle right now.

Go ProCharger.......:D




P.S. - I've heard sub-frame connectors are a b*tch with an STS (unless they have that problem solved now)

[Forcedinductiontech]

Either way is a good way to make hp. Its all in what you prefer..and each set up has its problems. With S/Cs you have to worry about belt slippage or pulley slippage...and turbos have heat issues and it takes more space to plumb the hot parts. 6 in one hand...half a dozen in the other. ;)

[7camaro7]

so do you guys suggest I shut up and just pick one, is it that kind of situation? hahaha

also, should you do all the engine work you want first and then do the power adder?

[SSilver2K]

Go turbo. I have the STS kit with the 60-1 and I can kick a KB Cobras @ss. You should check out the dyno graph diffrence with a SC vs. Turbo. The STS kit works great, theres guys putting down over 800whp with the STS kit. Theres even an STS car in the 7's now.

Saw your post on svt about the kill. Ha ha! Good kill btw.

Anyways being a former procharged (p1sc), I switched to turbo for the convenience and to me it was more of a wow factor. Dialing up the boost to a higher setting can be done with the turn of a knob on a turbo system via a boost coontroller. The sound of the spool and the blow-off valve is what got me hooked. Full boost at 3000rpms and gobs of low end torque is the major difference.

[CaseyL67]

so do you guys suggest I shut up and just pick one, is it that kind of situation? hahaha

also, should you do all the engine work you want first and then do the power adder?



It depends on how much power you want. If you are going to forge your engine which I recommend, you should do that first. All you need is forged pistons and rods. Don't worry about the crank as it can hold past 900hp.

After you figure that out you can put on a D1 or a turbo kit. Turbos you can get a boost controller and have it set to a low and high boost setting which you can change with the push of a button. But both can yeild good hp gains.

If it were me, I would forge the engine and get the sts kit with some tips made up and run a 15psi setting and a 8psi setting for street driving. But remember when you get into big horsepower you will need more things such as a clutch, drag radials, bigger fuel system, rear end if you are drag racing etc.. And things break a lot faster with more horsepower!

[Forcedinductiontech]

It depends on how much power you want. If you are going to forge your engine which I recommend, you should do that first. All you need is forged pistons and rods. Don't worry about the crank as it can hold past 900hp.

After you figure that out you can put on a D1 or a turbo kit. Turbos you can get a boost controller and have it set to a low and high boost setting which you can change with the push of a button. But both can yeild good hp gains.

If it were me, I would forge the engine and get the sts kit with some tips made up and run a 15psi setting and a 8psi setting for street driving. But remember when you get into big horsepower you will need more things such as a clutch, drag radials, bigger fuel system, rear end if you are drag racing etc.. And things break a lot faster with more horsepower!

WERD!

[7camaro7]

hahaha. I really like the turn the nob idea it's convenient. a new clutch will be my first mod because I don't feel it holds the power I have atleast from a roll in 3rd. (or is it just me not doing it right?) say I rev to like 5 when I'm going like 70mph, then pop the clutch in 3rd, is that the best way to take off in that situation, or is it better to let it get to the right rpms then gun it?

with the turbo, you can turn the whistle off right? or atleast turn it down. I'd like to burn people without them knowing what I've got.

[JD_Z28]

=SSilver2K;421016]Saw your post on svt about the kill. Ha ha! Good kill btw.

Thanks man. I'm surprised they didn't call BS on that one :lmao:

[7camaro7]

really?

I talked to a guy at the drag strip friday and he's got a procharged 98-02 ss with the (((F-1))) kit. I hadn't even heard of that one, but he said he had it. I asked him what he thought about turbos and he said if he would do it all again he'd go turbo because there's too much belt slippage. Can't you just get wider pullys and thicker/ wider belts? any how that car is one of my favs at the track, there's also this tt nova they say he does 3s down the 1/8th I've seen 5's without wheelie bars

[Forcedinductiontech]

Once you get to a certain performance level with the s/c belt slippage is an increasing problem.

[7camaro7]

I guess I'll build my engine first along with my tranny, then decide on a turbo. maybe I'll still do headers and a catback then when I get ready for the turbo put the exhaust back to stock then sell the parts.

[FasstChevys]

really?

I talked to a guy at the drag strip friday and he's got a procharged 98-02 ss with the (((F-1))) kit. I hadn't even heard of that one, but he said he had it. I asked him what he thought about turbos and he said if he would do it all again he'd go turbo because there's too much belt slippage. Can't you just get wider pullys and thicker/ wider belts? any how that car is one of my favs at the track, there's also this tt nova they say he does 3s down the 1/8th I've seen 5's without wheelie bars


The 8-rib pulley design is very helpful with what you're trying to accomplish if you go with a supercharger

[GatorSS]

I'm leaning towards turbo...but I don't think I'll do it to my stock engine. I'm thinking of just having a new one built the way I want it.

[7camaro7]

The 8-rib pulley design is very helpful with what you're trying to accomplish if you go with a supercharger

why do you say so?

[MavrickCJH]

I might not know what i am talking about here, but isnt it true that a s/c takes around 40 horsepower just to operate? Therefore you have to run more boost on a supercharger in order to produce the same horsepower as you would produce with less boost from a turbo?

[FasstChevys]

why do you say so?

Because the 8-rib set up alleviates the belt slippage problem.....

[FasstChevys]

I might not know what i am talking about here, but isnt it true that a s/c takes around 40 horsepower just to operate? Therefore you have to run more boost on a supercharger in order to produce the same horsepower as you would produce with less boost from a turbo?

I highly doubt it takes 40 horsepower to run a supercharger, but I've been wrong before.

[MavrickCJH]

I highly doubt it takes 40 horsepower to run a supercharger, but I've been wrong before.

Just a number i have heard before, like i said i dunno how true it is but it definately takes some horse to operate a supercharger as to with a turbo it takes none, jus exhaust gas

[SSilver2K]

Just a number i have heard before, like i said i dunno how true it is but it definately takes some horse to operate a supercharger as to with a turbo it takes none, jus exhaust gas

It takes about 25-30 hp for every 100 hp gain to spin a supercharger. Don't quote me on this though. As for turbos, you still lose some power especially when out of boost since there is now exhaust backpressure. Supposedly turbos aren't as parisitic off boost as a supercharger. I'm not sure if the turbine housing size will effect this for better or worse. I still don't get why my last procharger setup (p1) had so much better throttle response then?

[FasstChevys]

It takes about 25-30 hp for every 100 hp gain to spin a supercharger. Don't quote me on this though. As for turbos, you still lose some power especially when out of boost since there is now exhaust backpressure. Supposedly turbos aren't as parisitic off boost as a supercharger. I'm not sure if the turbine housing size will effect this for better or worse. I still don't get why my last procharger setup (p1) had so much better throttle response then?

With my application, my supercharger has gained me just about 200 hp.....so, you're saying it's using 50-60 more horsepower? In essence, actually a 250 hp gain, but 50-60 of it being used to spin it?

[ibanez7]

go to this website and request a catalog, they will send you tons of info!

http://www.procharger.com/



There are a few different levels of Prochargers, increasing HP anywhere from another 60-80% to 2000+hp all out race applications.


Yes the STS can make power, but they suck. I know two people with them that wish they never bought them. The filters are always filthy, the turbo is always dirty.

Also the turbo and piping are covered in rock nicks/chips.

Plus since you can see the turbo, the are worried that some ricer might walk by and steal it off their car. It wouldnt be tough to do!

If you want to do a turbo set up, do it right and keep it under the hood.
The attached pic is the only way you should do a turbo. SAFE and UNDER THE HOOD.

However the install on the pics, cost lots of cash, so go procharger, very dependable and very fast!

[Ed Blown Vert]

The 8-rib pulley design is very helpful with what you're trying to accomplish if you go with a supercharger

I run the SDCE tensioner and it prevents slip.

[ibanez7]

or to prevent slipping you can also go big, and switch to a cog setup

[FasstChevys]

or to prevent slipping you can also go big, and switch to a cog setup

You sure can, but for every day street use it's not that great of a choice since you definitely have to change your belt much more often. If it was for a race car, I'd go cog too.

[Forcedinductiontech]

Is there still a problem with pinning the lower pulley...I remember when I was thinking of a D-1 for my LS1 car that it was an on going problem once you started to push bigger boost levels.

[everett]

NITROUS SOLVES ALL OF YOUR PROBLEMS :yup: http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/chucky-chuck/02fastintake001copy.jpg

[7camaro7]

hahahahaha, been thinking about it!

so there is a way to stop the belt slippage problem with the procharger? and why isn't there a way to stop the filter from getting so dirty with the sts. Don't they make a sheild or something to keep excess dirt from getting into it?

[Ed Blown Vert]

hahahahaha, been thinking about it!

so there is a way to stop the belt slippage problem with the procharger? and why isn't there a way to stop the filter from getting so dirty with the sts. Don't they make a sheild or something to keep excess dirt from getting into it?

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=435216&postcount=57

[7camaro7]

how much did your procharger setup cost?

[everett]

hahahahaha, been thinking about it!

so there is a way to stop the belt slippage problem with the procharger? and why isn't there a way to stop the filter from getting so dirty with the sts. Don't they make a sheild or something to keep excess dirt from getting into it?

if you have a l6-rib you can upgrade it to a 8-rib setup---and i've seen a super charger with a filter of some sort but don't know if he bought it or its custom or not

[Ed Blown Vert]

how much did your procharger setup cost?

I got the orginal system on sale for $4000

[7camaro7]

man you must forgot! hahaha I'm in college, give me maybe a year or 2 I could save up

[FasstChevys]

man you must forgot! hahaha I'm in college, give me maybe a year or 2 I could save up

Hey, you're the one who started the thread in the first place! :lol: I think my mind is made up for you already..........go nitrous.

[7camaro7]

hahaha, actually I have it all planned out... I plan to build up the engine first which includes full exhaust(which will dissappear IF I do turbo), heads, cams, pistons, and the whole 9yards. Then I plan on going with forced induction on top of all of that. but in the mean time I may go with nos. when it comes to nos I've just got to learn how to use it.

[BlackZ28629]

ok...so what if you take all variables and engine build-ups and mods out of the equation: This is what most of us want to know since everyone's setup is going to be different and subjective + you can always upgrade and mod.

STOCK LS1 w/ procharger($6000) VS. STOCK LS1 w/ STS kit($3995)

Which makes more power now?
IMO= you have to dump more $ into the procharger to get the power you want right away. It's noisy=belt tensioner which is expensive + 8 Rib belt + 7lb.+ pulley.(My friend experienced this. When he installed the procharger, at first it was not impressive at all. My stock motor w/ a 100NOS shot pulled better. After he installed all of the parts listed^ he gained a significant amount of power=way better.
STS=(as far as I know) bolt it up=power. Thoughts?

[FasstChevys]

ok...so what if you take all variables and engine build-ups and mods out of the equation: This is what most of us want to know since everyone's setup is going to be different and subjective + you can always upgrade and mod.

STOCK LS1 w/ procharger($6000) VS. STOCK LS1 w/ STS kit($3995)

Which makes more power now?
IMO= you have to dump more $ into the procharger to get the power you want right away. It's noisy=belt tensioner which is expensive + 8 Rib belt + 7lb.+ pulley.(My friend experienced this. When he installed the procharger, at first it was not impressive at all. My stock motor w/ a 100NOS shot pulled better. After he installed all of the parts listed^ he gained a significant amount of power=way better.
STS=(as far as I know) bolt it up=power. Thoughts?

Are those prices comparing apples to apples? Meaning, fuel systems upgrades and the like? Do the prices you just listed include EVERYTHING needed to make both systems work? What boost levels do each system have?

There is no way you'd outrun my ProCharged bird with a 100 shot of nitrous.

[BlackZ28629]

Are those prices comparing apples to apples? Meaning, fuel systems upgrades and the like? Do the prices you just listed include EVERYTHING needed to make both systems work? What boost levels do each system have?

There is no way you'd outrun my ProCharged bird with a 100 shot of nitrous.

for the birds: that all depends on your mods, suspension, tires, driving, launch...it is all variable; just because you have procharger does not mean you can drive! I am not saying that my car makes more power either, I was comparing a bolt on standard procharger to my car which IMO total waste of $$$ unless like I said you dump another $1000 into it buying the bigger pulley and tensioner which would be $7000 in all. I think if I was gonna spend $7000 I would go turbo and build a motor. The procharger just isn't as practical as people make it out to be. The boost levels are @ 5lbs. Upgrades are available of course. I am not sure of the fuel upgrades on the STS; I think you have to purchase that seperatley, but it is still going to be cheaper than the procharger setup. I like the procharger, do not get me wrong here, I am simply trying to get the practicality of spending $7000(full setup 8+lbs) on the procharger when you can spend appr. $5000(8 lbs.) and have the same power. i guess it is really in opinion and personal preference because they are both good designs.
Oh and bring that bird to Memphis Motorsports Park and we can see who would win in our little experiment! :)

[7camaro7]

for the birds: that all depends on your mods, suspension, tires, driving, launch...it is all variable; just because you have procharger does not mean you can drive! I am not saying that my car makes more power either, I was comparing a bolt on standard procharger to my car which IMO total waste of $$$ unless like I said you dump another $1000 into it buying the bigger pulley and tensioner which would be $7000 in all. I think if I was gonna spend $7000 I would go turbo and build a motor. The procharger just isn't as practical as people make it out to be. The boost levels are @ 5lbs. Upgrades are available of course. I am not sure of the fuel upgrades on the STS; I think you have to purchase that seperatley, but it is still going to be cheaper than the procharger setup. I like the procharger, do not get me wrong here, I am simply trying to get the practicality of spending $7000(full setup 8+lbs) on the procharger when you can spend appr. $5000(8 lbs.) and have the same power. i guess it is really in opinion and personal preference because they are both good designs.
Oh and bring that bird to Memphis Motorsports Park and we can see who would win in our little experiment! :)

heyyy, I've been out there. I'm from an hour and a half away in MO Too!

Thanks guys for the great discussion... keep it up, I'm learning! So far I think my assumption on building an engine first is a good idea...

[FasstChevys]

for the birds: that all depends on your mods, suspension, tires, driving, launch...it is all variable; just because you have procharger does not mean you can drive! I am not saying that my car makes more power either, I was comparing a bolt on standard procharger to my car which IMO total waste of $$$ unless like I said you dump another $1000 into it buying the bigger pulley and tensioner which would be $7000 in all. I think if I was gonna spend $7000 I would go turbo and build a motor. The procharger just isn't as practical as people make it out to be. The boost levels are @ 5lbs. Upgrades are available of course. I am not sure of the fuel upgrades on the STS; I think you have to purchase that seperatley, but it is still going to be cheaper than the procharger setup. I like the procharger, do not get me wrong here, I am simply trying to get the practicality of spending $7000(full setup 8+lbs) on the procharger when you can spend appr. $5000(8 lbs.) and have the same power. i guess it is really in opinion and personal preference because they are both good designs.
Oh and bring that bird to Memphis Motorsports Park and we can see who would win in our little experiment! :)

The only way I'd do that is if it was a weekend party involved. I'm not driving all the way to Memphis just to race you and come home :lol:

So, you're saying that your only mod is a 100 shot? I don't believe ya pal.