Hemi vs Vortec Max

[Bandit02]

Just cam accross this video, thought it was pretty damn funny

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/vortec+max/0/e6f41c1b-ac0a-4300-9287-25410ccb05b2.htm

Reminded me of this weekend at the drag strip with a 2500 Suburban lost to a hemi quad cab by .2 secs.

[FireChicken2000]

thats a sweet vid iam not a big fan of the hemi i dont like them

[blue02Z]

according to some of the other techs at my work the vortec is more efficent and what not than the "mighty" hemi.

[tmarr11]

umm, racing....in the rain? :bomb: :brick: :uzi: :rock: :rant: :attn:

[01camaross]

Same Horse power rating but more torqe on the vortec

[Brianss1]

Iam pretty sure i could take a hemi out with my 02 2500HD,4x4,crew cab,8.1 vortech 496 ci.Anyone else have one of these they are pretty quick for a big truck.

[blue gt]

i ran a hemi reg cab in my F250 diesel ext. cab long bed and i was ahead the entire time

[silverz28camaro]

not defending dodge but the hemi did have tall 33 inch mud terrans and probably weighed alot mor , if you want a fast v8 truck get a short bed standard cab

[05gtoautoX]

is the vortec max a 6.0? is anything different from a regular 6.0?

[01pewterz28]

Nope the 6.0L in the VMax is the same 6.0L in the HD, and the Silverado SS.

345HP, 380torq

Sean

[02 WS6 TA]

That's pretty funny- Those guys in the Hemi Dodges think they're fast...I get 'em all the time trying to pick a race with the D-Max. :D

[SSTODD]

DAMN, AND SHIT! THOSE ARE GREAT SOUND BITES FROM THE LOSING WINDSHIELD VIEW. CLASSIC:cuss:

[silverz28camaro]

most guys in those hemi trucks (like that one) have a great motor in a big heavy truck, now buy that truck short bed standard cab and you have a 15.0 factory truck, now that is preety quick for stock,

anyone in a lifted dodge hemi with four doooors has nothin to brag about besides bein able to pull a heavy load up hill in low gear

[bluecajun5.3]

Nope the 6.0L in the VMax is the same 6.0L in the HD, and the Silverado SS.

345HP, 380torq

Sean
wrong,

the 6L in the hd's are lq4
310HP/360TQ

the 6L in the vmax, vho, and ss are is a lq9
345HP/380TQ

[Allstar55566]

wrong,

the 6L in the hd's are lq4
310HP/360TQ

the 6L in the vmax, vho, and ss are is a lq9
345HP/380TQ

well not exactly the LQ4 can be 325 stock (C3) it just depends what vehicle, in the 2500 HD i believe they had 300, but again exhaust and intake type make the difference there. escalade came with the LQ9 as well :):yup:

[Nitrous]

Here's some more info to ponder:

4800
The Vortec 4800 LR4 is a V8 truck engine. Displacement is 4.8 L (4807 cc) with a 96.01 mm bore and 83 mm stroke. It is a de-bored and de-stroked cast iron version of the LS1 small-block from the Corvette with aluminum cylinder heads. It replaced the 5.0 L 5000 L30 for the 2003 full-size vans. The LR4 produces 270-350 hp (201-205 kW) and 285-290 ft·lbf (386-393 N·m) of torque. LR4s are manufactured at St. Catharines, Ontario and Romulus, Michigan.

The LR4 features electronic throttle control and does not need exhaust gas recirculation due to a new, more-powerful computer. The LR4 shares the same block and cylinder heads as the Vortec 5300.Supercharged aluminum versions said to produce 350 HP were considered for the silverado SS but were shelved. Cost and emissions issues were main considerations.

LR4 applications:

Chevrolet Express 2500-3500/GMC Savana 2500-3500
Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra
Chevrolet Tahoe/GMC Yukon

L30 applications:

Chevrolet Express/GMC Savana
General Motors C/K full-size trucks
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5300
The Vortec 5300, or LM7/LM4/L59, is a V8 truck engine. It is a stroked (by 9 mm) version of the Vortec 4800 and replaced the 5700 L31 in 2003. L59 denotes a flexible fuel version, while the LM7 is a special low-emissions engine. The L33 is made for the pickup trucks.

All Vortec 5300s are based on the new Generation III small-block V8. Unlike the all-aluminum LM4 and L59, the LM7 uses a cast iron block. The block and heads are the same as on the 4800 LR4. Power output is 285-295 hp (213-220 kW) and torque is 325-330 ft·lbf (441-447 N·m). Displacement is 5.3 L (5328 cc) from 96.01 mm bore and 92.00 mm stroke. Vortec 5300s are built in St. Catharines, Ontario, Romulus, Michigan, and Silao, Mexico.

LM7 (iron block, low-emmissions) applications:

Cadillac Escalade
Chevrolet Avalanche
Chevrolet Express/GMC Savana
Chevrolet Silverado 1500-2500/GMC Sierra 1500-2500
Chevrolet Suburban/GMC Yukon XL
Chevrolet Tahoe/GMC Yukon
LM4 (all-aluminum) applications:

Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT
GMC Envoy XL
2004 Chevrolet SSR
L33 applications:

Chevrolet Silverado 1500-2500/GMC Sierra 1500-2500
L59 (flexible-fuel, allowing E85) applications:

Chevrolet Suburban/GMC Yukon XL
Chevrolet Tahoe/GMC Yukon
[edit]

LH6
An improved LH6 version with Displacement on Demand will push output even higher. It is a Generation IV small-block and features the improvements found on other Gen4 motors. An early batch of fifty 2005 Saab 9-7X SUVs for the Canada market used this engine with the Displacement on Demand feature disabled.

LH6 applications:

2005 Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT/GMC Envoy XL SUVs
2005 GMC Envoy XUV
2005 Buick Rainier (without Displacement on Demand)
2005 Saab 9-7X
2005 Subaru B9 Casanova SUV (without Displacement on Demand)

6000

HO 6000 engine in a 2003 Cadillac Escalade EXTThe Vortec 6000, or LQ4, is a V8 truck engine. It is a bored version of the Vortec 5300. Displacement is 6.0 L (5967 cc) from 101.6 mm bore and 92 mm stroke. It is an iron/aluminum design and produces 300-325 hp (224-242 kW) and 360-370 ft·lbf (488-502 N·m). LQ4s are built in Romulus, Michigan and Silao, Mexico.

LQ4 applications:

Chevrolet Express/GMC Savana
Chevrolet Silverado 3500 Pickup, Crew Cab, and Chassis Cab/GMC Sierra 2500 HD Pickup and Crew Cab, Denali, and 3500 Pickup and Chassis Cab
Chevrolet Suburban/GMC Yukon XL Denali
Hummer H2 SUT
GMC Yukon Denali


HO 6000
The Vortec HO 6000 or VortecMAX, technically the LQ9, is a special high-output version of the Vortec 6000 V8 truck engine originally designed for Cadillac. This engine was introduced in other truck lines as VortecMAX for 2006. It features high-compression (10:1) flat-top pistons for an extra 10 hp and 10 ft·lbf, bringing output to 345 hp (257 kW) and 380 ft·lbf (515 N·m). LQ9s are built only in Romulus, Michigan.

LQ9 Applications:

2002-2005 Cadillac Escalade
2002-2005 Cadillac Escalade EXT
2003-2005 Cadillac Escalade ESV
2003-2005 Chevrolet Silverado SS
2004-2005 GMC Sierra Texas Truck Edition
2005-2005 GMC Sierra Vortec HO Edition Only [Badging on truck]

L76
See also the automotive L76
The L76 version of the Vortec 6000 features variable cam phasing on both the intake and exhaust sides, though both are linked. It produces 355 hp (265 kW) at 5400 rpm and 365 ft·lbf (495 N·m) at 4400 rpm. Production starts in late 2006.

L76 applications:

Chevrolet Suburban
Chevrolet Avalanche
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6200
The 2007 Cadillac Escalade will debut with a 6.2 L Vortec 6200 (RPO L92) engine. It is an all-aluminum design which, while still a pushrod engine, boasts variable valve timing, a first in a mass-produced non-overhead cam V8 engine. The system adjusts both intake and exhaust timing between two settings. This engine produces 403 hp (301 kW) and 417 ft·lbf (565 N·m) in the Cadillac, but inexplicably is only rated at 380 hp and 415 ft·lbf in the GMC Denali.

Applications:

2007+ Cadillac Escalade
2007+ GMC Yukon Denali/Denali XL

8100
The Vortec 8100 (RPO L18) is a V8 truck engine. It is a redesigned Chevrolet Big-Block engine and was introduced with the 2001 full-size pickup trucks. It retains the same bore centers as the old 7.4 L big-blocks, but stroke was upped by 9.4 mm to reach 8.1 L (8128 cc) for a total of 107.95 mm bore and 111 mm stroke. It is an all-iron engine (block and heads) with two valves per cylinder. Power output ranges from 225 hp to 340 hp (168 kW to 254 kW) and torque from 350 ft·lbf to 455 ft·lbf (475 N·m to 617 N·m). Vortec 8100s are built in Tonawanda, New York.

L18 Applications:

Chevrolet Avalanche
Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra 2500HD & 3500 (option)
Chevrolet Suburban/GMC Yukon XL (option)

[bluecajun5.3]

good information to finally clear up
way to use the old copy and paste method

[Nitrous]

That's the only way, I wouldn't have the patience to write all of that! LOL How's it going bro? Too bad none of the engines I just posted about are as fast as yours!

[bluecajun5.3]

they can be.
you just have to do some researching on different combos that work.

[tmarr11]

^^ Those would be????

[ZAPFOOL!!]

That's pretty funny- Those guys in the Hemi Dodges think they're fast...

They are damn annoying

[ErikElvis]

Hey I gotta Ram... Kinda quick for a big truck :nana: It sucks on gas though. And I dont race in it.

[Tyler_LS1]

Iam pretty sure i could take a hemi out with my 02 2500HD,4x4,crew cab,8.1 vortech 496 ci.Anyone else have one of these they are pretty quick for a big truck.


i was at a stop light and watched one beat the HELL:ar: out of a riced out acura integra!:nono:

[silverz28camaro]

my girlfriends dads hemi dodge ran 14.9 @99 mph , not to bad for intake and exhaust,

[Cerwin Vega Fan]

Not a fan of the Hemi, IMO it does not create enough power to make up for the fact it burns so much fuel.

[Bandit02]

my girlfriends dads hemi dodge ran 14.9 @99 mph , not to bad for intake and exhaust,

A few weeks ago at the track the two hemi's i saw were running high 16's, low 17's. The crewcab was in the high 17's, intake and exhaust must really do wonders for them.

[Tyler_LS1]

Im surprised how fast some of those newer chevys are!!

[Cerwin Vega Fan]

Im surprised how fast some of those newer chevys are!!

Yeah the 6.0 can really move.

[the_indian]

just had my bother pull my camaro with a broken driveshaft home with his 03 2500 hemi, made me a little sad. I don't have anything against hemis but liked my 97 silverado with the v8 vortec better.

[RandyW]

My sb/sc/LS1 with 3.73 gears will outrun both!:flex:

[Krazy351w]

I am by far not a fan of dodge and never will be, but i kno my engines and most people dont realize that the so called "hemi" they put in the dodges today are infact not true hemi's. now if u guys wanna see a fast truck look at a gmc 2500 with the 454 vortech m5 or a ford lightning those trucks will haul major ass

[Tyler_LS1]

I am by far not a fan of dodge and never will be, but i kno my engines and most people dont realize that the so called "hemi" they put in the dodges today are infact not true hemi's. now if u guys wanna see a fast truck look at a gmc 2500 with the 454 vortech m5 or a ford lightning those trucks will haul major ass



:yup:

[Krazy351w]

any one know where a good place too buy a newer model Lightning

[ZAPFOOL!!]

any one know where a good place too buy a newer model Lightning

www.nloc.net

www.svtperformance.com

[68camino]

we recently bought an 06 hemi quad cab 1500 4x4 and i think dodge finally got their act together with gas mileage. 2 words: cylinder deactivation.
the thing weighs 6600 lbs, so we obviously didnt buy it to go fast-- but it holds its own towing up long hills. way too quiet though... magnaflow helped solve that problem :zoom:

[hutch1999]

I think the hemi is a overated do to the mass advertising dodge did with those two whitetrash guys saying "DOES THAT THING HAVE A HEMI'' on every truck commercial

[Tyler_LS1]

Ive noticed that chevy dosent do that much advertising on TV and much as everybody else, It just seems that way to me I ALWAYS see those "bold" ford ones.

( i guess that my only tv channel being fox would make a difference)


:shrug:

[blackout5.3]

DAMN, AND SHIT! THOSE ARE GREAT SOUND BITES FROM THE LOSING WINDSHIELD VIEW. CLASSIC:cuss:

i think thats what that one driver was saying when i ate his rumble bee, and his buddies laughing at him.

[RandyW]

The look on the faces of the Hemi and Titan guys when you blow their doors off is priceless.

[Krazy351w]

i learned not to mess with the powerstrokes a couple of days ago
this sucker just spanked me and took away my birthday :(

[Tyler_LS1]

i learned not to mess with the powerstrokes a couple of days ago
this sucker just spanked me and took away my birthday :(



what were you driving?

[Ratdaddy07]

The problem with the hemi trucks is not the motor it's the tranny, shifts like a grand-ma, besides it is a truck and just a 5.7 liter motor. Want a fast truck AND a dodge, my brother has a dodge deisel 4X4 four door with bullydog, put that sucker on the third level and it flat rolls, especially taking off in 4-wheel drive! He has raced ford and chevy diesels with programmers and hasn't lost yet. I would love to see his 60 foot at the track.

[Krazy351w]

what were you driving?

eclipse and i think the ford had something done to it because it was ungodly fast. Im takeing the fbird out later tonight to see if i can find him

[Tyler_LS1]

eclipse and i think the ford had something done to it because it was ungodly fast. Im takeing the fbird out later tonight to see if i can find him


with just a chip and exhaust any diesel pickup can aquire much more power.


post the results if you find him!

[Krazy351w]

i plan on it

[hutch1999]

with just a chip and exhaust any diesel pickup can aquire much more power.

A chip and exhaust are a diesel trucks best friend

[Krazy351w]

i can promise you this had the exaust cuz the rig sounded great made me wanna fix my 99 f250 PS

[hutch1999]

I clocked my buddies 98 manuual reg. cab ford powerstroke at a 120mph in front of me which is flat cookin in a truck. but his truck has a chip, exhaust, intake, bigger turbo, and 3.73 gears with a eaton locker. Hes got the fastest truck in my area he has beat every truck around. The best was him smokin a brand new Dodge Cummins Big Horn with a chip by about 6 trucks lengths

[WhiteLs1]

according to some of the other techs at my work the vortec is more efficent and what not than the "mighty" hemi.

That is because Chevy will always be superior to Dodge !!!!:true:

[Krazy351w]

anything is superior to dodge

[Tyler_LS1]

anything is superior to dodge

:yup:

i do like the oldies though!

the newer models are just crap these days (since the major updated body style).

[Krazy351w]

its sad how dodge has started makeing a 350 v8 and trying to say its a hemi they should keep making their good 360 and make it a true hemi instead of tis new fake shit. And i can say the same shit about ford. Why in the hell did they replace their 460 and 351 and 302 with these 4.6l engines and 5.4 l engines be smart like chevy and improve on what you already got!

[Tyler_LS1]

its sad how dodge has started makeing a 350 v8 and trying to say its a hemi they should keep making their good 360 and make it a true hemi instead of tis new fake shit. And i can say the same shit about ford. Why in the hell did they replace their 460 and 351 and 302 with these 4.6l engines and 5.4 l engines be smart like chevy and improve on what you already got!


tis true:yup:

[Krazy351w]

well guys i found mr powerstroke about 30 mins ago. Sadly my 3.4 couldnt stand up to the challenge of the 7.3PS. Talked to him after the race and he said hes put about 10k into it but wouldnt specify what the 10k bought.

[ZAPFOOL!!]

well guys i found mr powerstroke about 30 mins ago. Sadly my 3.4 couldnt stand up to the challenge of the 7.3PS. Talked to him after the race and he said hes put about 10k into it but wouldnt specify what the 10k bought.

I wanna race him

[Krazy351w]

lol figured you would tune in eventually :P i promised him another race once i got my lightning up and going

[ZAPFOOL!!]

lol figured you would tune in eventually :P i promised him another race once i got my lightning up and going

what year?

[Krazy351w]

95 its bone stock atm so im looking for options on how to make it mean

[ZAPFOOL!!]

95 its bone stock atm so im looking for options on how to make it mean

hence the 351.....go turbo!!!!!

[Krazy351w]

buddy of mine said supercharger, i was curious as to a custom job of doing both. its it possible and would there be any real benefit to supercharger and turbocharger?

[ZAPFOOL!!]

buddy of mine said supercharger, i was curious as to a custom job of doing both. its it possible and would there be any real benefit to supercharger and turbocharger?

yeah boost....trust me...you want boost

[Krazy351w]

but would it be possible to build a 351 to handle both supercharger and turbocharger?

[ZAPFOOL!!]

but would it be possible to build a 351 to handle both supercharger and turbocharger?

no you fool, go to choose one or the other...supercharger would be easier to find, turbo would take more custom work but the power possiblities are wonderful....are you on NLOC?

[Krazy351w]

how no clue what nloc is

[ZAPFOOL!!]

how no clue what nloc is

National Lightning Owners Club


check out
www.nloc.net
www.svtperformance.com


for some good info on Lightnings

[RandyW]

How far off topic are we now?:seesaw:

[02 WS6 TA]

Want a fast truck AND a dodge, my brother has a dodge deisel 4X4 four door with bullydog, put that sucker on the third level and it flat rolls, especially taking off in 4-wheel drive! He has raced ford and chevy diesels with programmers and hasn't lost yet.

His time it is a comin'. Duramax LBZ is stupid fast, BEFORE programming. 360/650 Stock. ;)

[Krazy351w]

ok u guys are going to flame me for this but i think i got a hell of a deal. a guy i work with just sold me a 460 bigblock for 300. he ran it one season in his rail car. he told me it pumps out 700/700 roughly. Is this a good deal?

[RandyW]

ok u guys are going to flame me for this but i think i got a hell of a deal. a guy i work with just sold me a 460 bigblock for 300. he ran it one season in his rail car. he told me it pumps out 700/700 roughly. Is this a good deal?


I see you're a bomb tech, you should be able to handle it when it blows!:ar: :giveup:

[Krazy351w]

whats that sopposed to mean?

[RandyW]

whats that sopposed to mean?


Just ribbin' ya dude!:)

[Krazy351w]

oh well im a bit slow on take off so i didnt catch that one in time :) but seriously will that be a fast and good motor?

[RandyW]

They're like all others, if good parts are used and it's well put together, those big Fords can make a bunch of power. For $300 though, I'd check it good before spending a lot of time and money installing it in a vehicle.:)

[Krazy351w]

i plan on it but my main problem right now is i dont kno wtf to put it in

[Tyler_LS1]

i plan on it but my main problem right now is i dont kno wtf to put it in



the garbage can!:)

[Krazy351w]

lol i dont think they make a garbage can big nuff to hold 700 horses

[Ratdaddy07]

For $300 how can you go wrong? My buddy has one built in a chevy half-ton, puts out 720 horse all motor. Parts aren't that high, if it is already built right then even better. A pick-up truck half-ton 2 wheel drive would be easy to find and they all should easily fit it. Or how about a Cobra kit, Cobra country.com is full of good deals that only need motor and tranny.