06 gto vs. 00 T/a ws6 [Archive] - LS1 Performance Information

Silver Streak

07-16-2006, 08:34 PM

Well.. seeing as though both are similarily weighted.. the stock 00 (you didn't say if yours is a WS6) would be in the range of 315-325hp and around 375lbs.. the GTo has 400 hp and 400 lbs... the GTO would spank your T/A every chance it had... both being stock and drivers equal of course.

daveb91

07-17-2006, 07:47 AM

it says in the title its a WS6.

6sw00

07-17-2006, 01:35 PM

i do have a ws6 but all it rele is, is the ram air.. not modded after market.. and the gto has a lot more weight then the t/a. i still have a feeling it will destroy me... its my pops that has it.. so we got this little thing goin haha.. he used to have the 04. i wish he still did so i could rele beat em but o well..

6sw00

07-17-2006, 01:39 PM

heres a pic

0rion

07-18-2006, 01:20 AM

Only one way to find out. I think it'll be pretty close with a slight edge to the GTO. I think most new GTO's don't have much problem running low 13's and the LS1's typically ran low to mid 13's stock but there's high 12 cars floating around in both groups. Just run him and post back up how it turned out. Keep the race short and try to jump him outta the hole and you'll have a better chance. Get up to speed and the LS2 will really start to shine.

GottaHaveLS1

07-18-2006, 10:47 AM

6sw00

07-18-2006, 02:10 PM

the cts v's times are just about the same as the trans am times.. he should not have been able to pull car lenths on you at all... unless he had mods done to it then u should have won that..

6sw00

07-18-2006, 02:14 PM

im still tryin to find a day for us to go down to the track.. and make it ligit

rammer

07-18-2006, 03:34 PM

Hey, where in NY are you? From the pictures I'd guess Downstate????

GottaHaveLS1

07-18-2006, 10:46 PM

the cts v's times are just about the same as the trans am times.. he should not have been able to pull car lenths on you at all... unless he had mods done to it then u should have won that..

Times have nothing to do with how bad they woop ur ass at 140 mph plus haha.

6sw00

07-19-2006, 01:25 PM

lol.. well you wont see me goin 140 anytime soon... id rather not go to jail. im down in staten island by the way

GottaHaveLS1

07-19-2006, 03:01 PM

I live in northern connecticut... it probably has a lot less traffic than Staten island.

joker

07-19-2006, 06:21 PM

speaking of which what is the top speed on an 02 ws6. We just got a brand new 70 mph highway down here in north c. I never see cops and there are some long straight where the popo can't hide.

Silver Streak

07-19-2006, 07:20 PM

Isn't it like 168?

8bangerboy

07-22-2006, 01:22 AM

i have a stock 02 t/a ws6 just has exhaust... and i raced a gto today, both automatic from a 20-120 and a 40-120 role... spanked me both times... depending on the driver id hate to say it but the LS2 makes up for the heavy weight the GTO has

Gene@FredBeans

07-23-2006, 08:04 AM

Hi All,
I used to have an 02 WS6, so I feel like I can say this, but you don't have a chance against the 04 or the 06. Two different ball games.

Gene

0rion

07-23-2006, 09:56 AM

an 04? I disagree on that one. An f-body should have little problems with an 04.

Gene@FredBeans

07-25-2006, 06:12 PM

an 04? I disagree on that one. An f-body should have little problems with an 04.

I have an 04 GTO and had an 02 WS6. I can say certainly that I haven't had any problems with the Fbodies on the road. I drive it hard. The WS6 did not have as much pull.

0rion

07-25-2006, 11:18 PM

I guess in certain situations nothing is ever a given but I would be beyond amazed if my 04 ever pulled an LS1 f-body. I think from a roll I could keep it respectable but from a dig I know my 98 formula was a good .5-.6 faster in the quarter stock for stock. I am by no means calling you a liar. I'm just saying that my 04 would never run with my f-body when they were both stock.

GottaHaveLS1

07-26-2006, 12:34 PM

I'm not a fan of the LS1 GTO's and i think a slightly lighter F body should pull ahead. The LS2 GTO smokes the f bodies....

Fade2Black

07-26-2006, 12:55 PM

Race him! and tell us about it
I raced a GTO b4 but i dont know what year it was...
i won though twice
one of the races I even pulled a come from behind victory because he got me by half a car off the line

6sw00

07-26-2006, 03:48 PM

ok.. heres the deal.. my pops had the 04 gto and now has an 06.. i clearly dont have a shot at the 06 unless he falls asleep at the line.. the 04 gto was nice dont get me wrong but at the track people with 05 gto's were pullin worse times then my dad was in his 04. the quickest time he had was a 13.9. i know for a fact that my ws6 can beat that time and beat any stock 04 gto.

Silver Streak

07-26-2006, 06:05 PM

Yeah I can beat a 13.9 with my FULLY stock T/A... and I've only gone like 4 times.. so I'm learning..and starting to mod... :)

WS.SICK

07-28-2006, 04:02 PM

fuel cut off is 163mph.. cars could pull a little more most likely but you need a little more space too.

slpfirehawk00

08-03-2006, 03:37 PM

I've raced multiple 04 gto's and 3 ls2 gto's in my 00' firehawk 6spd stock. At the track they lose on the street they lose. the 05's and 06's are very close from rolls but at the track and possibly the bad drivers they have hard times launching them. The ls1 cars are more L-t1 fbody similar times. if you factor out the drivers on the races were i could clearly tell they were at fault i still slightly pull on the ls2 cars. Trap speeds indicate alot and my races at the track they were trapping 106 to 107 and i was at 109 to 110 being my best. These are my expirences and i agree all cars run differently on the same production run. Love the ls2 and all Ls motors and cars! I'm not sure what the 06's weight but my car weighed 3350 on a scale. Thought the fbodys weighed less.

2000PEWTER,WS6

08-07-2006, 07:50 PM

All the '05 and '06 GTO's that i seen at Muncie Drag last week were running pretty much low 14's. You never know though it could've been the drivers. My WS6 beat the GTO.

at100plus

08-08-2006, 07:12 PM

x-40oz-x

08-08-2006, 07:21 PM

I'm wondering the same thing about my '00 WS6 versus my Boss's '06 Charger SRT 8.

The SRT 8 is a much bigger heavier car and has 425 hp. The published times are close. Which one would come out ahead? I have a 6 spd, K&N and 3" exhaust. All SRT8s are automatics.....?
Your WS6 should beat a 06 Charger. All Chargers are autos but i think the 'super bee charger' might be a manual.another member can correct me.

Just don't beat him too bad, he is your boss.;)

NHRAMAN

08-10-2006, 08:41 PM

....:sillyme: To put it plainly, "The WS6 is the Fastest Car in the World " .......:true:

6sw00

08-10-2006, 10:10 PM

lol if only that was tru.. definatly would beat the charger and all those other boats... but the new vette is just flat out amazing..

Tjnapster

08-14-2006, 06:35 AM

Nice

therobman

08-17-2006, 03:18 PM

i have a 2000 trans am ws6 with exhuast and 4.10 gears and i beat the new gto and the cadalic cts v with and exhuast headers and and tune it was close but i had both by no more than a car length so ull keep up with him

GottaHaveLS1

08-18-2006, 10:42 PM

I think you just happened to be the better driver cuz you definitely dont have over 400hp and the goat and cts v would cuz they start out with 400 + hp from mods. The GTO and the cts v are heavier than an f body tho...

i have a 2000 trans am ws6 with exhuast and 4.10 gears and i beat the new gto and the cadalic cts v with and exhuast headers and and tune it was close but i had both by no more than a car length so ull keep up with him

joker

08-19-2006, 10:20 AM

I have pulled off the line against an 06 charger, yes with the hemi. he wasn't impressive and his girlfriend didn't look too impressed.

therobman

08-19-2006, 10:35 PM

im an auto and so is the gto but the cts v was a stick and when i raced i beat them both by about a car it was like a 20 roll to 100 when i baught my car it had mods only ones i knew about were the gears and exhuast so idk what else might be in it

6sw00

08-24-2006, 12:40 AM

THE RESULTS ARE IN.... 06 GTO weight- 4000 00 T/A ws6 weight 3650 both with drivers. RACE ONE- my first time racing at the strip. loved it by the way. GTO- 14.5 with a perfect launch and powershifting all races. 100.25
T/A - 14.1 with a bad r/t due to my 1st time. 101.97
RACE TWO- GTO 14.7 wish good r/t but had tcs on, bad 60ft. 102.12
T/A - 13.7 had about 10 cars on him. great vid. 103.18
RACE THREE- this is when my pops took out the plastic hood scoops to try to get more airflow in the GTO- 13.901 @104.28
T/A - 13.817 @103.26
with this i prove something i didnt think myself was to possible.

Silver Streak

08-24-2006, 03:24 PM

13.9 for an 06 GTO? I dunno... I guess that seems a little slow to me.... <shrugs>

wicked1

09-06-2006, 09:10 PM

hate to say it but the gto isnt all its cracked up to be

Silver Streak

09-06-2006, 09:14 PM

I know.. I sold 2 of 'em at the dealership... you couldn't give one to me unless you threw in an F-body for free!

CHiCKeN08

09-09-2006, 12:20 PM

I've raced an LS2 GTO before and the LS6 CTS V which both have 400 ponies. They both pulled several cars on me so don't plan on beating one unless they really suck at driving. Good luck anyways and have fun.
ive raced cts v and pulled away from him (and im stock) and i ran the same as a 04 gto on slicks and headers:ar:

slpfirehawk00

09-11-2006, 01:03 PM

Ok I set up a race with a 06 6spd LS2 GTO. We raced prolly 10 times from all the differnt rolls and in the 1/4 mile. The cars are dead even through 3rd gear from a 20 mph roll , but the gto started to get away slightly from me in 4th gear. we stopped at 150 mph and I was down roughly 1 car and may half. My car is a 2000 firehawk 6 spd that dynoed 320 rwhp 335 tq stock and thats how i ran him. My best at the track is 12.9@ 109 mph. From the 1/4 dead dig races I beat him by 2 to 3 cars due to the fact i was launching better. So then we went from 10 to the end of 3rd gear which is a quater mile. and I was ahead by a car because when we took off the weight of the fbody makes a diff from the punch. Cars are very close but driver is the answer to who will win in most cases. My car runs strong for a LS1 CAR so i would say the LS2 gto would be faster in most cases. For whoever said the 04 would win also, thats really not the case. The 04's make same power and weigh at least 300 pounds more.

BlackBird 99

09-11-2006, 04:21 PM

I have a 99 TA with the Volant CIA all free mods no smog pump good street tires no cats and a flowmaster and comp cams push rods (6400rpms is my redline) and I Fn rape all Ls2 cars vetts incl. my 1/4 mile is 12.632 at 114mph but I have been racen for 6 years and I am pretty good at it to

05gtoautoX

09-12-2006, 12:27 AM

last month, I had bought my new 06 GTO (traded the 05, got alot better deal, and I hated the cyclone grey) anyways I took it to the track after 500 miles and it was completely stock and ran a 13.9@103mph. with a 2.21 60' and this is at 5500ft. the correction factor is .9 second, so at sea level it SHOULD run around 13 flat, and this is with the stock POS shifter(it really is horrible) the think about GTOs is they have an IRS which makes it difficult to launch hard without getting alot of wheel hop, tell your dad to soft pedal it for about 25-30ft, and then punch it, and get the torque management removed, it'll take it down another .1 or so.

SPLIT THIS

09-14-2006, 02:04 PM

The T/a Will Spank It! First And For Most The T/a Weighs In At About 3400 Lbs.. Where The 06 Gto Weighs In At About 4000lbs.... My Girlfriend Has A 02 Ws6 Collectors Addition.. My Friend Has A 06 Gto 6.0.... She Beat The 6.0 Gto All Day Everyday!

05gtoautoX

09-15-2006, 09:29 PM

the G.T.O weighs in at just above 3700 LBS. (like 3740) and racing ALWAYS depends on the drivers, with 75-100 hp. more I think it's more less a drivers race if both are stock JMPO

SSmoky01

09-16-2006, 12:07 AM

speaking of which what is the top speed on an 02 ws6. We just got a brand new 70 mph highway down here in north c. I never see cops and there are some long straight where the popo can't hide.

Let us know how the race goes.
I got my money on the goat though.LS2=:flex:

I believe it is 162 top speed for the 02 ws6.

6sw00

09-16-2006, 12:48 AM

LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 2.. lol already been there : )

qrunchi

09-18-2006, 08:56 AM

I would think it really depends on the car....
Some T/As run fast and some GTOs do too I would imagine. I've beaten a couple GTOs.... don't know year etc... but my 01 TA runs 12.8s @ 113mph
Just depends on the individuals power to weight ratio IMO...
Stock for stock I would think the TA is always faster no matter the GTO year... the guy that originated this post proved it.

slpfirehawk00

09-18-2006, 12:24 PM

No offense but the bottom of page 2 proves both you guys can't really drive the cars that well.

6sw00

09-18-2006, 12:32 PM

im gunna hafta dissagree on that one.. the day wasnt that great.. all the cars werent running what they were sapposed to, the gto is flat out slow, when you see the times the cars are sapposed to run in a 1/4 mile all those times are in best conditions. i was only .3 off of what my car sapposably does.i know my pops can drive cause when he had his 04, he was running better times then people with the 05's were. im pritty sure you dont get a perfect launch the first race out either lol.. my first time at the track to so next time im looking for a lower time..

6sw00

09-18-2006, 12:33 PM

just curious, ever take ur car to the track?

wicked1

09-18-2006, 08:02 PM

i still dont see how people claim the gto is faster in the 1/4 when factory specs even say they run a whoopin 13.7....people just cant accept the fact the ws6 can smoke it any day of the week

slpfirehawk00

09-19-2006, 01:58 PM

Sorry my reply was at work and i had to go when the boss man came around. Didn't mean to come off so harsh. I thought you said the gto was a 06 not 04 which is good times for a ls1 car. I have been to the track several times since i bought my car new in 2001. Bone stock to the fliter on firehawk sz50's i ran 12.9 @ 108 with a 1.95 60' and since then have put a slp airbox and bfg drag raidals and went 12.69 @110. Prolly have had 40 passes on the car in 5 odd years. You're exactly right on the whole first itme at track thing. You do improve the more you race at the track as did I. I'm sure both youre times will improve and wish you luck.Btw was it really warm when you guys were racing cause you MPH are somewhat low.

Musclefan21

09-19-2006, 08:00 PM

in thought LS2 GTOs were badass untill i had some track experience last saturday and beat GTOs times with my bone stock 06 stang GT and i say trans am vs GTO is driver race but my mone is on trans am!!!! they are not that fast cars.. or people cant drive them.. he was getting the same 60' as me and running 14s.. 2.1- 2.2 60' and runs 14s and he got 2.0 60' and his best was 13.8@100 mph and my best was 13.6@94.XX mph

edit: my post is about from a dig race. on the street or track! i have never seen or raced against a LS2 GTO from a roll!

6sw00

09-19-2006, 09:47 PM

BadBlueBird*

09-19-2006, 10:01 PM

Id give the nod to the GTO, did I miss the results?!

Musclefan21

09-19-2006, 10:07 PM

the gto i was talking about is an 06, but the one he had prior to this was the 04. but you know how some cars are made a lil slower some times and then theres always those fast running cars. shoulda looked for a firehawk.

i am talking about 06 GTO too.. i beat him with my stock 06 stang GT, which is soppsed to be slower than your car!

BadBlueBird*

09-19-2006, 10:14 PM

i am talking about 06 GTO too.. i beat him with my stock 06 stang GT, which is soppsed to be slower than your car!

Driver error:moon:

slpfirehawk00

09-20-2006, 06:24 AM

Musclefan21

09-20-2006, 05:32 PM

Driver error:moon:

there were 3 other LS2 GTOs and their best time was 13.8.. just race dude andyou will see what i am talking about.. for some reasion they are very very bad cars from a dig.. (with street tires).

Musclefan21

09-20-2006, 05:35 PM

My Uncle owns a 05 mustang gt and i have driven it and raced him a few times with me driving his car and him drivng mine even to see the driver difference. He doesn't drive the car hard alot and i would say he shifts average. He has a magnaflow catback and a tune. The T/A pulls on the Gt from everywhere. The cars are close in first gear from a dig. Once the cars start moving the power difference takes over.

trans ams are faster than new stang GTs but i gotta say this, from a dig untill 70mph (untill the end of 2nd gear), new stang is gonna jump on LS1s.. or give an even race.. after that trans am will walk over.. i own 97 LT1 formula and i can see how strong cars they are from a roll.. but from a dig, trans ams are not as good as new stang GTs. trans ams are highway monsters:)

Mr. Luos

09-20-2006, 05:35 PM

Weight.

And driver.

And looking at the torque curve of an LS1 says different. The car accels at low RPM's as well as the upper RPM's. They can be strong from a dig, the problem is traction.

6sw00

09-21-2006, 08:25 AM

absoulutely correct.. all you rele need is to have decent tires on there.. lol some nice grip and its trouble for someone else.. i would rele love to race a mustang gt tho.. i want to see what will happen with that. being so many people read this, anybody have opinions on ls1 edit? i was thinking about trying it.

Mr. Luos

09-21-2006, 10:21 AM

I ran a new Mustang GT at Bandimere last time I was there.

Really amazing what 2.8 seconds is in car lengths. :lol:
To the Mustangs defense, I am nowhere near stock.

bschei

09-21-2006, 11:14 AM

there were 3 other LS2 GTOs and their best time was 13.8.. just race dude andyou will see what i am talking about.. for some reasion they are very very bad cars from a dig.. (with street tires).

I would agree with this. I have an 05 GTO and a 00 WS6 and the GOAT just doesn't start as strong from a dig. I haven't taken the WS6 to the track yet, but i ran 13.6 @ 103 my first time with the goat. Completely stock A4.

Musclefan21

09-21-2006, 11:46 AM

I ran a new Mustang GT at Bandimere last time I was there.

Really amazing what 2.8 seconds is in car lengths. :lol:
To the Mustangs defense, I am nowhere near stock.

i will race with you whenever you want.. i am not afraid of you..

but as i said, with your Grand am not Trans am :seesaw:

also Curtis, i wish we would have been close and i would let u drive my car.. bellieve me new stangs are very stong from a dig.. i test drove a trans am 01 i was just curious and at light i launched that thing, it was sure defienetly fast but new stang feels a lot faster..or faster from a dig.. well i couldnt launch it correctly cuz dealer was sitting in the car.. on the high way i was like 60 mph and dropped to 3rd gear and wow, that thing is going as long as you keep accelerating.. new stangs sucks from a roll.. i neever race anyone from a roll:)

i wish i woudl have an LS1 :(

Mr. Luos

09-21-2006, 11:52 AM

That would be embarrassing. :lol:

Grand Am is probably just a 15.8 or so.

GottaHaveLS1

09-21-2006, 12:18 PM

trans ams are faster than new stang GTs but i gotta say this, from a dig untill 70mph (untill the end of 2nd gear), new stang is gonna jump on LS1s.. or give an even race.. after that trans am will walk over.. i own 97 LT1 formula and i can see how strong cars they are from a roll.. but from a dig, trans ams are not as good as new stang GTs. trans ams are highway monsters:)

I'm sorry but a new stock mustang GT shouldn't even be compared to ls1's

DrkEagle

09-21-2006, 04:18 PM

I'm sorry but a new stock mustang GT shouldn't even be compared to ls1's

Agree'd.

smokeyburnouts

09-22-2006, 01:04 PM

well thats cool you beat the GTO. i would think itd be really close. it seems like on paper the gto should be faster, but i never see any good times in them. it seems like low13's isnt a big deal in an ls1 fbody though, so who knows.

ls1bandit

09-25-2006, 07:51 PM

so how quick would my 94 t/a run if i swapped in an 06 ls2 engine? Since it is a lot lighter than the gto and would have 400 hp.

smokeyburnouts

09-26-2006, 06:38 AM

so how quick would my 94 t/a run if i swapped in an 06 ls2 engine? Since it is a lot lighter than the gto and would have 400 hp.
tough to say really, but i'd say its a safe bet that youd see 12's

6sw00

09-29-2006, 05:48 PM

well i ran at the track again.. this time first two races i tried that gorilla chipz thing.. the best it did was make me think i was faster.. last race i took it out. raced against the 87 grand national. some upgrades done to it and had d/r. i won all 3 and i ran a 13.7 on the first two and a 13.44 on the last race.