lingenfelter z vs R1

[tonyjnjz]

first race in my new car :D ....left work last night following a guy i work with that just picked up a new or nearly new yamaha R1..he had a 600 of some sort before it.....we turn left onto the main rd him in front..i hop in the left lane and romp on it........shut down at a 100 about a car length on him.........now before everyone gets cranky i KNOWWWW my car is not faster than an r1....but i beat this guy on his new bike :D hehe..put a smile on my face....hell get his rematch soon enough im sure.....prollly with diff results

[jacobyb]

Going from a 600 to a liter bike is a big change. Unless the guy you work with is good, he will never be able to get that bike to live up to its potential. That is the funny thing. I have been riding street bikes for 13 years and the one thing that remains consistant is that the vast majority of people that I come into contact with have no idea how to ride and never will.

Nice kill. Make sure to rub it in.

[ss~zoso~ss]

what does your Z put down to the ground, those things are sick, the bikes and the kit on your Z

[tonyjnjz]

395 rwhp, 399 rwtq according to the dyno that came with the car from LPE....stock manifolds still on it..kooks goin on when i get the cash :D. Claimed hp from the package is 465 but according to my calculations thats only 450? lil short..ill fix it hehe

[tonyjnjz]

OOOPS checked out that bike today on my lunch when i went for a ride and found out its not an R1...my big mistake..need to learn my bikes bettter...its an 06 r6 ..explains a lot but stilll a fast bike....anyone know about what a 600 runs in the quarter? im thinking high 11s

[SDB]

06 R6 will run 10's with a decent rider...you definately beat the rider and not the bike! Good kill though.

SDB

[LS1Power06]

a R6 will run 10s with a damn good rider. i have a 03 R6 and bikes arent easy to launch. 90% of riders wont be able to push a stock R6 into the 10s.

[tonyjnjz]

thanks man..thats about what i figured........im figuring IF my car had traction i should be in the high 11s.....which should put me near what an avg 600 rider could do?? sound about right? so far im 1-0 ..lol...only the future will tell

[x-40oz-x]

Nice kill.
Definetaly something to me proud of.:yup:

[jacobyb]

a R6 will run 10s with a damn good rider. i have a 03 R6 and bikes arent easy to launch. 90% of riders wont be able to push a stock R6 into the 10s.


No kidding. Most riders have a hard time breaking into the 12's much less 10's. Most people that are seen on sport bikes have no idea how to use them.

[the fast one]

it should be an easy 10sec bike
about 5 years ago i had an older 97 suzuki gsxr and my first time at a track period i gor a 10.92. i got a bad launch, hit read line and forgot to close the visor of my helmet(i reached up and shut it going down the track.) i was only 18 and had the bike 3 months. granted i rode for a long time before but still older bike with 88 hp and a 230lb rider with mistakes.

[quikws6TA]

nice kill!

[SDB]

Friend has a stock 05 600RR and it ran 11.2 first time out, then 10.90 second time out. He isn't a pro rider at all, first bike he has ever owned. I spanked it on a 30 kick by about 6 cars though! He was pissed.

SDB

[tonyjnjz]

haha very nice..guess there a lil faster than i thought.....i remember back when i had my 99z28...lid,catback,b+m ripper i raced a 900rr......the guy pulled a wheelie next to me while im banging gears......set it back down and took off like i was standing stll.....sick shit.....still fun racing bikes though......im sure it gives them a thrill as well to test there skillz!!

[rcbryan]

That guy obviously wasn't yet used to his R6, that thing makes more hp than my 2000 RC-51 which is a liter bike and I think it is somewhere around 400 pounds it also revs to like 15500 rpm's. So 400 pounds to 127 horses that should be able to easily take out any vette or viper. If you have never ridden it is insane how fast those things can go, they literaly will try to pull you off there is that much power.

[ss~zoso~ss]

yea power to weight is INSANE, try a 500 wheel turbo busa, saw it on google video one word SICK!!!!!!

[LS1Power06]

That guy obviously wasn't yet used to his R6, that thing makes more hp than my 2000 RC-51 which is a liter bike and I think it is somewhere around 400 pounds it also revs to like 15500 rpm's. So 400 pounds to 127 horses that should be able to easily take out any vette or viper. If you have never ridden it is insane how fast those things can go, they literaly will try to pull you off there is that much power.


600cc sportbikes arent much of a race for a Viper or a Vette on the highway. most 600s will top out around 155-160. Liter bikes on the other hand... and also it doesnt matter how much power any given bike makes if the rider is a squid and cant ride. ive seen people on 600s take out Liter bikes without a problem, twisties and strip.

RyAn

[ss~zoso~ss]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6506090001948971442&q=499+hp+busa

this is what i'm talkin about, show me a car that would beat this thing

[Slow Vette]

nice kill, but how fast are R6's on the highway? anyone know?

[SDB]

Anyone that thinks that newer 600's aren't much of a race for a vette or viper on the highway is completely ignorant. Any 600 sportbike (2002 or newer) will absolutely devastate any stock vette or viper made until its top speed is reached. from even a 50 kick, a newer sport bike will rape any stock vette or viper on a highway roll....until 150 or so.

[tonyjnjz]

wow that video is freakin sick ..300 kph in traffic??? huuuge sacs on these guys and extreme stupidity.....hell yeah!!! lol

[derrinx]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6506090001948971442&q=499+hp+busa

this is what i'm talkin about, show me a car that would beat this thing

OMG Ghostrider is the most extreme thing ive ever seen... I've downlaoded all the movie clips it blows your mind what this guy can do... Just watch the movies i can't describe them... prolly some crazy moto gp racer who needed some extra thrills in his life so he decided to start a movie production with a couple buddies showing him absolutely ABUSE the swedish police...anyways enough of that watch those movies yourself

the point of the matetr is that you cant compare bikes and cars. they arent even in the same universe in terms of performance. An r1 will reach 200 before you leave the line i mean there really is jsut no comparison.. 600s are not slow either, but they are more for tracks than straight line racing... the new r6 is an amazing bike, but frankly like opter ppl have said you beat the rider not the bike, but dont misunderstand me im not discreditiing you at all your car seems amazing but dont think you can go around now taking any ole brand new 600...if your friend learns how to ride you wont have a chance

[rcbryan]

600cc sportbikes arent much of a race for a Viper or a Vette on the highway. most 600s will top out around 155-160. Liter bikes on the other hand... and also it doesnt matter how much power any given bike makes if the rider is a squid and cant ride. ive seen people on 600s take out Liter bikes without a problem, twisties and strip.

RyAn

True top end is another story I was talking twisties or straight acceleration, I would think that some of the newer 600's could hit around 180 or higher only because my RC-51 (2000) is supposed to top out aound 175 to 185 and it makes a little less power than an R6 but also the R6 weighs less so it should have a better top end that also is going to depend on gearing as well, but yeah all depends on the rider.

[oneBADDz]

Anyone that thinks that newer 600's aren't much of a race for a vette or viper on the highway is completely ignorant. Any 600 sportbike (2002 or newer) will absolutely devastate any stock vette or viper made until its top speed is reached. from even a 50 kick, a newer sport bike will rape any stock vette or viper on a highway roll....until 150 or so.

You don't know what you are talking about. Devastate a vette and viper from a roll? They won't Devastate low to mid 12 second cars from a dead stop, let alone from a roll. From a stop is the ONLY place they have any advantage in a a race against a vette and especially a viper

[az gt eater]

I used to own a 96 600 F3 and I NEVER lost to a car. I used to laugh at them. Ignoramuses. Now I know better, it is all about the fun. I ran a bike last SAT night to about 130 140. Good times. I didn't even keep track, I just know I have a quick car and am happy.

[shadegray]

This shit again

600's now are very fast, beating a lot of the literbikes from 10 yrs ago. A lot of riders on them aren't. Most guys in cars which were built fast spent a lot of time on the track and in the garage to get them to run those times, messing with and tuning their cars. The bikes are mechanically far faster, but any fool can buy one and jump on without any of the experience. Take keys of that guys 11 modded viper and toss them to his accountant, he'll barely break 13's. A decently ridden modern 600 with rider will destroy a vette or viper up until 120+ mph, when aerodynamic drag start to take over.

[SDB]

You don't know what you are talking about. Devastate a vette and viper from a roll? They won't Devastate low to mid 12 second cars from a dead stop, let alone from a roll. From a stop is the ONLY place they have any advantage in a a race against a vette and especially a viper

:ughlaugh: :ughlaugh: I have raced a ton of bikes with my 10 second (motor only) Camaro (also have nitrous)... I know what I am talking about. Any new C6 or Viper will get ass raped from a 50-120 roll with a new 600...period. I can beat a new R6, I can beat lots of small bikes. My car will beat a C6 or a viper so fucking bad its like racing a Hundai. Find a new R6 or 636 with a good rider....both mid to low 10 second bikes with pro riders. I have seen mid to high 10's with real good riders locally. Trapping 125-130. Yes, these bikes will ass rape a stock C6 or Viper.

SDB

[oneBADDz]

did you really just claim low 10s with a stock R6. . .what's the use in a literbike even existing then? Do they run 7s? Maybe it's just these "pro" riders, cause those exist on the street :rollseyes:

I raced two bikes at the same time the other day, 3 times. Twice from a roll and once from a dead stop. ONe was a stock 06 R6, and the other was a far from stock 600 CBR. From a roll both times the R6 fell behind and the modded CBR handed it to me. From a dead stop, they both pulled away just like they should have. From a roll a stock 600 can not hang. I know you will say the R6 rider couldn't ride :rollseyes: again. I've never been beaten on the roll by a stock 600. never. I don't care what you think or say, if it takes a pro rider and a track, I don't give a crap. If the average rider on the street can't do it, it doesn't matter.

[shadegray]

did you really just claim low 10s with a stock R6. . .what's the use in a literbike even existing then? Do they run 7s? Maybe it's just these "pro" riders, cause those exist on the street :rollseyes:

I raced two bikes at the same time the other day, 3 times. Twice from a roll and once from a dead stop. ONe was a stock 06 R6, and the other was a far from stock 600 CBR. From a roll both times the R6 fell behind and the modded CBR handed it to me. From a dead stop, they both pulled away just like they should have. From a roll a stock 600 can not hang. I know you will say the R6 rider couldn't ride :rollseyes: again. I've never been beaten on the roll by a stock 600. never. I don't care what you think or say, if it takes a pro rider and a track, I don't give a crap. If the average rider on the street can't do it, it doesn't matter.

Because they're even faster. about .5 secs faster and a trap speed about 10-15mph higher, digging deeper and deeper into the 9's every year. 1/2 a second is a lifetime when you're already in single digits in the 1/4s, it's buslengths.
Come on z driver, we talked about this stuff before.

Are we comparing the vehicles or the riders on them? What's the typical doctor or rich businessman having a midlife run with their ferrari or lamborghini? They buy them just to show off and have little or no driving skill iwth it, so 14s, 15s? Does that mean that lambo diablo is a slow 15 second car? No, when you talk about how fast a vehicle is, you go by what the car itself is capable of.

With practice, every rider on the street could get within a few tenths of the pros. Pros don't sprinkle magic pixie dust that makes their cars and bikes go faster. They just get closer to the bikes max potential, picking better shift points, distributing their weight and handling the clutch closer to what's ideal for the bike. They get probably 95% of the bikes potential out, where a normal street guy could only get 90%. If the vehicle doesn't have the ability, it won't be done. No pro driver could drive a stock vette into the 10s, the car itself isn't fast enough. They just cut a couple tenths off what the practiced, good amateur driver can do. Those few tenths are what separate good from perfect. But it's not going to be some insane time which exists in an alternate dimension far faster than what any other good normal street driver is capable of. Pretty much every rider could get mid-high tens with a little track time. But most sportbikers are not interested in straight 1/4 mile drag, it's all about the twisties, so they don't practice dragging. There are plenty of regular, non pros on the street running mid 10's on their stock 600's. I can go to any bike board right now and get video, timeslips, contact info whatever if you'd like to see.

Or go to the nearest 1/4m track and ask the guys there about a new 600 that runs there a lot. If someone on a 600 is regularly practicing and trying to run faster in the drag, I guarantee you he'll be in the 10's.

[oneBADDz]

I frequent our track, no 600s race here. Only literbikes and one busa. I know what you are saying, but I still have yet to see it happen :dunno: We have had this discussion before, but until I see it happen I can't agree. I've raced them, I've ridden them, and I just don't see it happening. I am a bike lover man, with any luck I'll ride until I die. I'm not just hatin on bikes, I'm telling you the only way I've ever seen it go down.

[rcbryan]

I would be surprised to see any 600's at a strip, if you can have all the power of a liter bike why would you go down to a 600? Besides things like busas are made for that kind of racing, with the length of the swingarm they suck in the twisties but in a straight line that thing will dominate. I here what you are saying that it hasn't happened yet, but if you think about would you really want to race a car on a bike? I have heard stories of the person in the car getting pissed off and trying to run down the bike or opening a door on the biker. In my opinion it just isn't worth it, the bikes you raced most likely are still new and probably have big chicken strips still. At any rate you said you ride, what do you ride? Just curious.

[shadegray]

Alright, see for yourself.

10.6 on a new 2006 r6 by a good amateur rider.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz9n0NUXFUs&search=r6
^She also runs a 9.3 on a modded busa.

Also you say a viper/vette will take an r6 from a roll just not from a stop. So here's another r6 handing a viper it's ass in a 30-120mph roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrmUcpXsi_M&search=r6

I can find more similar vids, timeslips, whatever if you want. Over the net, that's about the most and best proof as is possible to proof, I don't know what more someone can do to prove this from 1000 miles away. But I guess you don't want to believe it until you can see them run for yourself in person. Are there any other tracks nearby where you know 600's to run? If you can, go invite a couple for a run, those guys will surprise you. We'll just agree to disagree for now.

bryan, probably because even 600's have the power to flip somersault the bike, and people wanted to be able to ride on the street but knew getting a liter+ class sportbike for your first bike is widely considered to be a form of suicide, to the point it's actually illegal in Europe. Every mistake is magnified. I was a little overwhelmed even moving from a '95 6r to an '05 10r. Yeah, very few riders like to drag and run cars. First, most cars can't even come close to competing in the same class, and even then it can be dangerous. 2nd after a while, just going fast in a straight line gets pretty boring to be honest. It's more fun to go a road track and pull a g blasting through a sweeping curve at 170mph, bike leaned over so far your head's 2 feet from the gravel. Air screaming so hard around your helmet it literally causes deafness without hearing protection.

[tonyjnjz]

very nice videos man..definitly PROOF of how fast a 600 can been with a good rider!! thats really what i started the post for.....wanting to know how fast they really are since i knew the guy i raced obviously wasnt riding the bike to its fullest potentional

[oneBADDz]

You can show me videos all day that you look up on the internet and tell me they are stock bikes, how do I know when this is what I see:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j68/z_driver1/th_600s.jpg (http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j68/z_driver1/?action=view&current=600s.flv)
My experience, my video. s/e gixxer and a new 06 R6. after we take off, you never see the R6 again. He was pretty much at my back bumper the whole time. you're saying that just with a different rider he would not only have pulled me, but pulled the other bike as well. I was BONE stock with just a catback at that time. I ran a 13.9 at the track. If it has the potential to run a 10.5 stock, the bike should beat me regardless of the rider. 10.5 is foolproof fast enough to beat a 13.9 car. From a stop I would have gotten killed, I know that. From a roll their major advantage is lost.

On the other note, I think a 600 is too much for the average newbie that wants to ride. I think most everyone should learn on a sv500 or 500r :lol:

Bryan, I r-ode a s/e 05 busa. Sold it to my friend a while back cause I want to get a literbike instead. Here's a video of him riding it for the first time next to my car when it was stock. By the end of the night he got decent with it and decided he wanted one instead of his cruiser. I can't decide if I want a zx-10 or a gixxer
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j68/z_driver1/th_Untitled_0002.jpg (http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j68/z_driver1/?action=view&current=Untitled_0002.flv)

[tonyjnjz]

mabe im confused but it looks to me like u got smoked by BOTH bikes in those videos?????????????????????????????

[ZX9er]

sportrider.com/bikes/146_performance_numbers/

I can't post links yet so put www in front of this.

Check out the performance numbers as tested by sport rider. Click each brand to view their different bikes. Granted, these drivers are probably better than your average but it goes to show even 600cc bikes are faster than a stock Vette or Viper. I ride a 00 ZX9. These guys took it to almost a 10 sec flat. Could I? Noway, probably just breaking into the 10s but even your average rider is going to pull some sick times. The 06 R6 ran a 10.7. Even if the guy was a full second behind the magazine drivers he will be almost right at the times of the cars.

[the fast one]

hard numbers
car and driver december 2005z06 505hp
0-60 - 3.4
0-100, 7.8
0- 150, 17.9
quater timers 11.8, 125
rolling 5- 60, 3.8
top speed 198

510 hp dodge viper
0-60 - 3.8
0-100, 8.5
0- 150, 20.2
quater timers 12.1. 120mph
rolling 5- 60, 4.6
top speed 190

these are 2006 bikes
r6
113.0hp
0-60 in 3.55
1/4 time 11.02@127.46

cbr600rr
105.6 hp
0-60 in 3.39
1/4 time 10.87@128.54mph

zx6r
111.4hp
0-60 in 3.37
1/4 time 10.84@129.86mph

gsxr 600
109.3hp
0-60 in 3.48
1/4 time 10.85@129.52

gsxr 750
129.1mph
0-60 in 3.30
1/4 time 10.47@135.2
the bike times and stuff are from the june 06 issue of motorcyclist
as you can see these are all pro riders and drivers but the the only thing that wins is the z over the 0-60 times on the gsxr 600 and r6 by.08sec on the gsxr and .15 secx on the r6

im not getting into the argument but just offering hard facts as to what cars and bikes do

[the fast one]

and for the big bikes in 1000cc class same date and issue of the 600 bikes
these are 2006 bikes
cbr1000rr
1/4 9.898
0-60 2.95
0-100 5.37
Hp 158.8

Zx10r
1/4 9.764
0-60 2.95
0-100 5.36
Hp 166.1

Gsxr1000
1/4 9.774
0-60 2.92
0-100 5.35
Hp 159.8

Yzf-R1
1/4 9.772
0-60 2.81
0-100 5.30
Hp 154.9

[oneBADDz]

mabe im confused but it looks to me like u got smoked by BOTH bikes in those videos?????????????????????????????
watch it again

[shadegray]

So it's because you don't believe the 10 second 600's amateur vids are stock though they say so? How about with motorcycle-usa's buyer evaluation tests of the (at the time) new 2005 model bikes, which, obviously, are tests of the new model bikes in stock form?

http://video.motorcycle-usa.com/motorcycleUSA/05R6_1-1.wmv

Another 10 sec run.

You can play street runs of car vs bike, but those are uncontrolled and by unknown drivers who heavily influence the performance. The best comparison is track numbers under controlled scenarios performing at their best. Are there vids of stock 10 second vette and viper runs?

[rcbryan]

onebaddz,
Granted it's not the fasted design out there but have you ever tried a v-twin? I-4's are fast but it's like you have an electric motor between your legs, Ducati just released the 999S race replica (I saw this on another site).

[rcbryan]

Alright, see for yourself.

10.6 on a new 2006 r6 by a good amateur rider.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz9n0NUXFUs&search=r6
^She also runs a 9.3 on a modded busa.

Also you say a viper/vette will take an r6 from a roll just not from a stop. So here's another r6 handing a viper it's ass in a 30-120mph roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrmUcpXsi_M&search=r6

I can find more similar vids, timeslips, whatever if you want. Over the net, that's about the most and best proof as is possible to proof, I don't know what more someone can do to prove this from 1000 miles away. But I guess you don't want to believe it until you can see them run for yourself in person. Are there any other tracks nearby where you know 600's to run? If you can, go invite a couple for a run, those guys will surprise you. We'll just agree to disagree for now.

bryan, probably because even 600's have the power to flip somersault the bike, and people wanted to be able to ride on the street but knew getting a liter+ class sportbike for your first bike is widely considered to be a form of suicide, to the point it's actually illegal in Europe. Every mistake is magnified. I was a little overwhelmed even moving from a '95 6r to an '05 10r. Yeah, very few riders like to drag and run cars. First, most cars can't even come close to competing in the same class, and even then it can be dangerous. 2nd after a while, just going fast in a straight line gets pretty boring to be honest. It's more fun to go a road track and pull a g blasting through a sweeping curve at 170mph, bike leaned over so far your head's 2 feet from the gravel. Air screaming so hard around your helmet it literally causes deafness without hearing protection.


Yeah I hear you, I actually started on a Liter a year ago (2000 RC-51) I probably would be learning faster with a 600 or a 250 but this is what I got at least it's a twin so it is a little more stable. On the 600's I was talking more the performance aspect I wasn't really thinking that they wouldn't have enough for something designed for the strip.

[SDB]

Again.....no way will a mostly stock C5, C6, or ay year viper keep up with a stock 05/06 600 with a good rider at anything lwss than a 125 mph kick. I have a very fast street car, I can't tell you how badly I stomp vipers and vettes....its just silly. I run 10's on motor, and when I race new 600's that have some mods done, I have to spray them to beat them solidly. I hook real good, have pleanty of power for roll racing, etc.

You beat the rider only when racing a 06 600 sport bike, unless you tink you have a solid 10 second car....

I believe you have raced and beaten some 600's on a roll before, some riders are terrible.

SDB

[shadegray]

Yeah I hear you, I actually started on a Liter a year ago (2000 RC-51) I probably would be learning faster with a 600 or a 250 but this is what I got at least it's a twin so it is a little more stable. On the 600's I was talking more the performance aspect I wasn't really thinking that they wouldn't have enough for something designed for the strip.

Nice, that's one honda I'd love to ride. I actually considered the TL1000Rs before settling on the 10r, and took a test ride, but I couldn't pass the deal for the 10r- $9400 OTD! Love the torque of the V-twins and way prefer the sound to the the I4s. But I still like the 10r, just jumped into it a lil quick. The 10r does have a very short wheelbase, and flicks almost as easily as the 6r. Biggest dif is that screaming power is at all rpms instead of just when I'm above 8 or 9k, which made throttle control through the corners way more difficult than the old 6r, and it took some getting used to. I actually ran corners so much slower than the 6r, my track times were pretty much unimproved at first. :umm:

[oneBADDz]

You can play street runs of car vs bike, but those are uncontrolled and by unknown drivers who heavily influence the performance. The best comparison is track numbers under controlled scenarios performing at their best. Are there vids of stock 10 second vette and viper runs?
The best comparison is real life, not perfect situations with perfect riders. That's where our opinions collide. No matter how you look at it, I've never seen it happen, the average rider CAN NOT DO IT. That's what matters

[Hawk241]

Hey, this debate has gone too long... For the record, my good friend and i both have bikes, he's been on the for a while, he's got a 05 r6, not the r6! every pass at the track is a 10.8 something ...stock. Also his lauch is tricky due to his size, 5'6 and 150lbs., every time he is doing his best not to wheely of the start, but it does...so...

[ramrod]

Good kill on beating the rider, and not the bike.... I use to race bikes when I first turned 18, and I could be legal to race at my local drag strips. Did it for 8 yrs, and even when I was in The Army I still tried to get my bikes on the strip. I think drag racing or racing is an art and the more you practice the better you shall be.

[shadegray]

The best comparison is real life, not perfect situations with perfect riders. That's where our opinions collide. No matter how you look at it, I've never seen it happen, the average rider CAN NOT DO IT. That's what matters

Tracks are real life, but I guess you mean on the street. There's vids of both bikes beating cars and of cars beating bikes. So what are we supposed to take from that? Nothing, unless you've somehow got a master compilation of every car vs bike race on the streets. The fact is that the 600cc bikes are capable of running mid 10's on the track, and the vettes and vipers are not, period.

I show an amateur smoking a viper. I show another running 10's on her 600cc bike which is stated to be new and stock, but you say there's no way to prove those bikes are stock.

So in response, I show an evaluation of new, proven stock 600's where they run 10's, and you say that's only because of the pro rider.

It's literally impossible to prove this any further. On every amateur vid you can say there's no way to prove it's stock, and on every official evaluation of a stock bike, you say it's only because of the rider. So if you won't take the amateur videos as proof, and you won't take the pro official videos as proof, tell me, what else do you want?

You need to see it for yourself in person, and nothing on the net- not amateur vids, not pro vids, not timeslips, not the affirmations of thousands of people will do.

But in some strange twist of irony, you offer a single video of a car running a bike on the street as if this evidence stands alone like some concrete proof. But we don't pull your move, second guessing and say there's no way to prove that car isn't heavily modded like you did with the 10 sec bike vids.

Do you see the huge disparity in the amount of evidence? Of what you ask us to believe vs what we ask you?

Baddz, after arguing it out when I came on a while ago, I like you pretty good by now and I think you're an intelligent guy. I'd really encourage you to head out to a track where dragging 600's are known to run, and line up against one of those. I think if nothing else, it'll be at least enjoyable to run with a bike that knows how to be driven. I'm done with this for now.

[SDB]

here is a list of my car's mods to beat a new 600 (stock) without using my nitrous. I have to spray the bigger bikes and modded new 600s with good riders. Compare what i have done to my car and what the poster of this original thread has done.....then tell me how slow new 600's are!!

2000 Camaro Z-28
Monterrey Maroon with Saddle leather
All options except T-tops and traction control
MTI 382 stroker motor with Lunati rotating assembly (11.2 CR)
Speed Inc SS3 camshaft .611/.619 242/250 114 lobe
LS2 timing chain
Lingenfelter ported and shimmed oil pump
42 lb. SVO fuel injectors
NGK TR-6 spark plugs gapped at .038
Taylor Thundervolt spark plug wires
Walboro in-tank GS340M fuel pump
Hotwire kit for fuel pump
Kenne Bell Boost-A-Pump
Full Throttle Speed Timing Tuner
ASP underdrive pulley
Turn One aluminum water pump pulley
AFR 225 heads, Platinum PRC Spring upgrade, 2.08/1.60 valves, hand finished by LPE
ARP head bolts
Stage 8 locking header bolts
FAST 90 mm intake manifold
Nick Williams 90mm Throttlebody
BMR tb bypass kit
Descreened MAF
TSP lid with K&N filter
free ram air mod
Kooks 1 7/8" stepped to 2" stainless race headers with 3 ½" welded collectors
Kooks 3" aluminized Y pipe with 3 ½" inlet/outlet
Stainless Works 3 ½" stainless cat back exhaust
SLP fan control switch
RPM 4L60E transmission with deep GM Truck style pan, 5 gear planetary with Royal Purple synthetic
ATF
Yank Pro Thruster 4000 stall torque converter
10 bolt rear with 3.42 gears, Summit preload support cover, stud kit, synthetic fluid
ARP wheel studs (rear)
Edelbrock Torque Arm w/ poly mount
Hotchkis front hollow sway bar
Hotchkis rear hollow sway bar
Hotchkis welded in sub frame connectors
BMR lower control arm rubber/poly
BMR adjustable panhard rod bar
HAL QAI-R front shocks and HAL springs
HAL QA1 rear shocks with stock rear springs
BMR bolt in control arm relocation brackets
Prothane polyurethane motor mounts
Bendix front and rear brakes with Hawk HP pads
Earls Hyperfirm Stainless Steel brake lines
Ford HD brake fluid
Hurst line lock kit with pre-bent lines
Boyd Blaster wheels, 17 X 9.5 front 17 X 11 rear
Sumitimo 275-40-17 front, M&H Racemaster Drag Radials 325-45-17 rear
Stull Billet Grill
Window Tint
Secondary alarm system
Optima “Red Top” group 75 battery
VIN acid etched in all glass
NX GM MAF nitrous kit, remote bottle opener, thermostatically controlled automatic bottle heater,
purge kit, nitrous pressure gauge, TPAS switch, three-button rocker panel control, blow down tube
(Full GEN-X-2 kit). Custom billet aluminum bottle brackets from Aerospace Engineering.

Custom MAF-less computer tuning with EFI Live Flashscan/RoadRunner by Green Light Motorsports
(open loop tune, 02's not used)

[oneBADDz]

I never said 600s are slow, so stop saying that I did. I said that from a roll their major advantage is lost.


To shadegray, I appreciate the respectful discussion. I don't know of a track anywhere near here where 600s run. Most tracks in the area have shut down. The closest track besides the one here is 2 hours away and only 1/8 mile. Also at our DA everything runs right at 1 second slower than at sea level, so my ET views are surely skewed a little.