Do I have 325hp or 345hp on my '02 SS 6spd?

[7camaro7]

Guys n Gals help me out. How do I know if I have the 345hp that some of the SSs came with. I have the window sticker and it says 325hp, but I saw others on ebay with the same stuff as mine but they had a SLP sheet that mentions dual dual exhaust(which I do have) and the same exact miles per gallon but I do not have that SLP sheet. Is there a code in the driver's door that will let me know?

[wicked_95z]

I think only the red anniversary edition SS got the 345hp package. The non-anniversary ss got the 325HP

[7camaro7]

I saw one on ebay like this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-SS-SLP-PKG-345-HP_W0QQitemZ4652632116QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6161QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem and others that have 345. I'm not sure how to tell. This one has it toohttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-SS-Z28-35-th-Anniversary-edition-Perfect-cond_W0QQitemZ4652940523QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6161QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-SS-SLP-35TH-ANNIVERSARY_W0QQitemZ4653644986QQihZ002QQcategoryZ 6161QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I noticed that when I see the center exit exhaust mentioned, I read it as the 345 slp exhaust. Do you agree? I'm really not sure what mine is. The exhaust IS stock so, if that is a sign I might have 345

[bene]

All LS1 engines make 350 bhp. GM adverstised LS1 fbody with 305-325 bhp only so vette owners won't get their panties in a bunch. Why do you think LS1s on fbodies make 280-325 rwhp stock?

[ErikElvis]

It was modified from SLP to 345..... with the exhaust. Would show it on the passenger side SLP door sticker if u have it. At least on a 02

[BrandonDrecksage]

what does it matter? all the 345hp package was is a lid and catback.

[Zboner]

there all the same they all make around 300HP to the wheels from the factory

[BrandonDrecksage]

there all the same they all make around 300HP to the wheels from the factory



not really because the 345 package will dyno slightly higher because of the lid and catback that a z28 is lacking.

[Zboner]

maybe 2 or 3 more HP. big deal, its a drivers race between and LS1 F body car be it a T/A, Formula, Z, or SS

[Danger731]

I have a SLP lid and SLP Catback - 345 crank hp is probably underated since I have 332 at the rear wheels.

[7camaro7]

Cool!

[7camaro7]

All LS1 engines make 350 bhp. GM adverstised LS1 fbody with 305-325 bhp only so vette owners won't get their panties in a bunch. Why do you think LS1s on fbodies make 280-325 rwhp stock?

I dissagree on this one man. 280-325 is a 45hp difference so there has to be more to it. Stock shouldn't vary that much. However I do believe that they're under-rated.

I found out something last night when I was looking through more papers that came with my car. I found a SLP supplement manual that told me about the 335(not 345). If you have the Slp catback(I think with the center exit exhaust ONLY) then you have 335hp. In the manual it didn't say anything about lid though. Most of them have the lid I see. Mine didn't for some reason.

I know mine is an SS and done by SLP for many reasons. I do have the sticker in my door that says something about alterations completed by slp, but it doesn't say how much hp it produces. also I have the ss hood and spoiler all the badges and most importantly the window sticker.

[ProwlerZ]

I think you're overlooking the big detail everyone is mentioning here. Regardless to what Hp your car was advertised to have from the factory, the first mods that you should do will put your car above any factory modifications. If your exhaust and intake are stock, your hp isn't something you'll want to brag about yet, so don't worry about where it started, just focus on where you're going.

[35th02ss]

There were three HP for the SS. 325 stock, 335 with exhaust, 345 with lid and exhaust. One easy way to tell is if you have the blackwing lid, or look at your pass. side door. There will be a sticker listing all your SLP options. I really don't know if there is that much of HP difference from the 3.

[7camaro7]

I think you're overlooking the big detail everyone is mentioning here. Regardless to what Hp your car was advertised to have from the factory, the first mods that you should do will put your car above any factory modifications. If your exhaust and intake are stock, your hp isn't something you'll want to brag about yet, so don't worry about where it started, just focus on where you're going.

damn skippy! hahaha I was just wondering though. I was first thinking I only had 325, then I kept on looking. Today I called slp with my vin # and they told me that mine did not come with the lid, but it did come with the catback. They said their newest lid is better than the blackwing as well.

Any how I do have big plans for this ride. I think my mods will go from cheapest to highest. first I plan to do exhaust and subframe connectors(not sure about doing intake because I can use that cash to go on my procharger later :Ohno: hahaha. but who knows, I will probably get the lid and k&n filter to go with it.

my overall goal is to make it awesome looking and perform with vipers!
who knows what I will do, I don't even know yet hahaha.

[breakparts]

well buddy if you think the slp options are good wait till you add a cam headers ls6 intake,tb,mass air cold air,plugs wires, clutch,tires gears and a tune.wow youll be saying to hell with the slp options.but your on the right track

[Fugiero]

well buddy if you think the slp options are good wait till you add a cam headers ls6 intake,tb,mass air cold air,plugs wires, clutch,tires gears and a tune.wow youll be saying to hell with the slp options.but your on the right track I see this all the time, the real difference between the Z-28 and the SS in a straight line not much. But the SS IMO looks better and is more fun to drive around the curves, it does handle better.

[SSNAKEATER23]

i heard somwhere that chevy didnt want to market the camaro w 345 bhp cause they wouldnt be able to sell their vettes, and thats just not good buisness.

[breakparts]

:lol: [Bi beleive the wheels and tires were larger,they had billstein shocks,not sure about springs. but my buddys 2000 ss came factory with subframe connectors welded on. thats a trip. yes his car handled better stock for stock, but there pretty identical.and vettes almost hate camaros as much as 04 cobras, sorry i love your vettes even if i smoke you, but mod it baby.mod it or dont hate ...ok[/B]

[7camaro7]

I am going to be modding guys!

This last weekend I had lots of fun with my SS. I did fuck up and burn my clutch for the first time though. It still works but I messed up with my big feet. I wear size 11 and I was trying to do a burn out so I reved it up to atleast 4000 or 5000 rpm and I meant to come all the way off the clutch but I lifted and my foot got stuck above the clutch on the black peice above it and I kept my other foot on the gas. It's funny because I thought I was smoking them but I wasn't. I learned from my girls grandaddy how to pop the clutch with like 3000rpms and I figured that's how to launch the 6spd. Also I had the chance to do some speed shifting and I had a blast!

Question, do you absolutely have to pop the clutch to do a burn out?

[7camaro7]

well buddy if you think the slp options are good wait till you add a cam headers ls6 intake,tb,mass air cold air,plugs wires, clutch,tires gears and a tune.wow youll be saying to hell with the slp options.but your on the right track

I think the '01s and '02s have the ls6 intake already don't they? Also I called slp today and talked to them about my clutch and they said it already is a z06 clutch. anybody know what I could get that is better than that?

[Hurley711]

Throw a tornado on there and you will gain minimal 50 hp over those SLP 345 claims

[bene]

Throw a tornado on there and you will gain minimal 50 hp over those SLP 345 claims


WOOT! Tornado/turbonator rocks!:lol:

[Hurley711]

WOOT! Tornado/turbonator rocks!:lol:

Don't forgot your smooth bellows for max performance of those products also...I'd bypass your Throttle body while you're in there...good for at least 12-15 more ponies

[BobsSS]

I think only the red anniversary edition SS got the 345hp package. The non-anniversary ss got the 325HP




Any '02 SS could get either the 325, 335, or 345hp. My black one has this option. Only the mid year and after could get the Blackwing lid since SLP was still getting approval by GM. I bought my Blackwing lid later since my car was #135 and not available yet. So I guess my car is technically a 335hp with the CME.

[breakparts]

no sir popping the clutch makes a burnout way cooler feeling,like your staging a drag car,but allthat sudden impact to the drivetrain will eventually break your ring and pinion,all it takes is one time really,but with my 410 gears id just put it in first and granny clutch it,it would spin faster and faster with just gas pedal.but i love to race from a roll ,and popping the clutch helps get a jump.when i put a 12 bolt better beleive im popping it every time.but id watch for that 10 bolt. ive broke mine 4 times.one time was the limited slip,then put an eaton posi, and now i just break the gears all out.FROM POPPING THAT CLUTCH

[mdion@bellsouth.net]

this is the 345hp

[ErikElvis]

all actual hp gains and claims aside if u wanna know if u have it as an option check the doorjam. Whether it really matters.... anyway mine has the 345 option

[Ripper415]

I hate to break it to you but you DEFINATELY dont have 345 hp. Going by the ebay link you gave to the car on your cardomain page http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&rd=1,1&item=4633222106&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT
it's 1) not a 2002, but a 2000 and
2) not a true ss, hell its not even a V8, its a V6! V6's had like 200 hp, so even with the center mount exhaust and a few other random upgrades you're definately looking at less than 250. i hate to ever diss another fbody owner but my 2 main complaints about you.
1) your cardomain page is so rediculous it looks like a damn myspace page (those rap videos auto playing at the very bottom of each page arent helping either), and
2) with these cars, upgrades to their performance are the main idea, not flashy body kits and neon lights. if you want that go get a civic and put a 3 foot high spoiler and stickers on it.

ps. check the ebay auction btw, cause the car is listed as a salvage title with over 80,000 miles. in other words, itl crap out on you before this christmas.

[baker5209]

You went from a ls1 to a v6 and dont even know what is in you car.:dunno:

[Ripper415]

yea haha. just by reading his posts you could see he was like some 17 year old naive kid. it's too bad he got ripped off on the car though. id be surprised if that ugly car lasted him 10,000 more miles.

[GatorSS]

Guys n Gals help me out. How do I know if I have the 345hp that some of the SSs came with. I have the window sticker and it says 325hp, but I saw others on ebay with the same stuff as mine but they had a SLP sheet that mentions dual dual exhaust(which I do have) and the same exact miles per gallon but I do not have that SLP sheet. Is there a code in the driver's door that will let me know?

Hey kid, you have really been duped. Just with a quick glance at your car, it is obvious it is not an SS, no matter what the fake sticker says. That is not an SS hood or spoiler...or anything else. With a glance at your engine it is easy to see that you've got a base 200 HP V6 Camaro with a bunch of aftermarket appearance mods, and a couple itty-bitty performance mods that might boost HP up to 215.

Did the seller claim it was an SS? If so, then it is fraud and recourse action is available. If not, and you just took it upon yourself to believe you have an SS, then you have more serious problems than can be dealt with here.

[bene]

Ehem, that car that you all looking at was "HIS" car, he sold it. He has now own a SS vert which he can't figure out somehow if he has 345 hp package or regular mill 325 hp SS. Which I don't really see why it'll matter, its not like it will stay stock.

[7camaro7]

Ehem, that car that you all looking at was "HIS" car, he sold it. He has now own a SS vert which he can't figure out somehow if he has 345 hp package or regular mill 325 hp SS. Which I don't really see why it'll matter, its not like it will stay stock.

Oh my freaking gosh!!!!!!!! I've been ragged on for my old car HAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks man! I leave for a weekend and comeback to see this mis understood mess.

1) The pewter v6 that you see on my cardomain page and on my avator IS MY OLD CAR!

2) I know that my car is the stock 335hp option. I had a conversation with slp over it.

3) To think I'm a 17 year old who sold an SS to get a kitted up v6??!!?? C'MONNNN!!!!!!!!!! Some of you guys have got me ALL MESSED UP!:tv:

When I get some free time I'll probably set up a new cardomain for my new car.

Also I did check my passenger and driver side door and they both do have SS info on them.

Lastly I've got that tire mod on point:yup: I don't spin out in second at all!!!! Only in first then by the time I hit 2nd I'm just flying. Now I want to know how to build a bad ass 6spd tranny that I can pop the clutch on as much as I want and nothing will happen.

Any Ideas?

[breakparts]

no sir popping the clutch makes a burnout way cooler feeling,like your staging a drag car,but allthat sudden impact to the drivetrain will eventually break your ring and pinion,all it takes is one time really,but with my 410 gears id just put it in first and granny clutch it,it would spin faster and faster with just gas pedal.but i love to race from a roll ,and popping the clutch helps get a jump.when i put a 12 bolt better beleive im popping it every time.but id watch for that 10 bolt. ive broke mine 4 times.one time was the limited slip,then put an eaton posi, and now i just break the gears all out.FROM POPPING THAT CLUTCH

[breakparts]

dude the t-56 tranny can take the hit unless you grind it like an ass,but its got alot of internal upgrades.but there verry pricy.ive heard the dodge viper t-56 has some good double rows and carbon fiber forks or something, so theres mods for it for sure.

[7camaro7]

To describe exactly what I want it would be a tranny that I can pop any time I want and still be very nice to drive everyday without having to worry about anything. I do have a Hurst short throw shifter and I love it so it is rare that I may grind a gear. I've only done it twice since I've had it and I can tell when it will do it so I'm even more careful now.

I understand a 12bolt is necessary, but why? does it hold the ring and pinion together better?

[GatorSS]

Oh my freaking gosh!!!!!!!! I've been ragged on for my old car HAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks man! I leave for a weekend and comeback to see this mis understood mess.

1) The pewter v6 that you see on my cardomain page and on my avator IS MY OLD CAR!
OK, glad you cleared that up. So, please get rid of that avatar.

[Texas Mouth]

On your answer is no, you just have to learn how to feel your peddles. You can feel when your tires come loose the hardest part is to brake and gas at the same time!! Its alot easier with a line lock. their about $150.00 dollars and well worth it.

[breakparts]

7camaro7-yes the 12 bolt holds the ring and pinon together better.mor material on the housing avoids flex,which causes the gears to grind themselves to death,its called PINION DEFLECTION.and the small 7.5 inch ring gear dosent help with being so small either compared to 9 inches in a 12 bolt

[7camaro7]

That's cool man, so what's the deal with dual friction clutches?

[va2001ss]

The 345 hp came with CME or D/D and this lid.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l249/va2001ss/PICT0001.jpg

[7camaro7]

Yea, I know hahaha, I'll be getting some kinda intake pretty soon I believe

[2KN1Z28]

Hey Burnout Boy, don't just burn 1st gear, bark-em in 2nd and 3rd for real street cred. I get sideways in 2nd and a healthy chirp outa 3rd. And I "only" have a Z28 with a lid and catback.

[breakparts]

who the hell is burnout boy.......and you burn 1st burn 2nd and chirp third...THATS CUS YOU PROBLY HAVE F1'S ON IT STILL. add some dr's and please TELL ME WHEN TO GO........YOULL GET TRACTION IN 1ST GEAR BABY ANT THATS WHAT YOU NEED.......BUT GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR SIDEWAYZE NESS ill give you credit for balls out driving

[7camaro7]

Hey Burnout Boy, don't just burn 1st gear, bark-em in 2nd and 3rd for real street cred. I get sideways in 2nd and a healthy chirp outa 3rd. And I "only" have a Z28 with a lid and catback.

not that I'm answering to burnout boy or anything but that shifting thing sounds pretty cool. never tried it, I only stay in first. cash is tight for right now and when I get more cash for tires I will finish off my old ones in style:flex: :woo: :burnout:

[breakparts]

ok. thats what us gear heads do instead of tire taxes at the tire shop...burnem up goo... BUT BE CAREFUL have you seen what a busted tires shrapnel can do to your fenderwell or even your paint job..have a friend watch for sparks...TRUST ME ON THIS ONE IVE DONE IT and im lucky i can do body work myself

[illcul8troffcr]

I think only the red anniversary edition SS got the 345hp package. The non-anniversary ss got the 325HP
This is false....


The 35th anniversary package was just appearance mods... badging, paint, rims, interior

The Slp mods are what bumped it up to 345 .. the exhaust and different lid and thats it


i heard somwhere that chevy didnt want to market the camaro w 345 bhp cause they wouldnt be able to sell their vettes, and thats just not good buisness.

Before the demise of the Camaro vette sales werent good at all because people knew that you could save 10-15 grand buy a car slightly mod it and smoke those same vettes for very little money..





And like ive said numerous times before buying a salvaged SS after selling a ghettofied chicano mobile ... makes me sad that you squirmed your way into an SS. Youve barely had the car what two months and youre already fucking it up? Giving this kid an SS Camaro is like giving a two year old a ten inch dick.. neither one can handle what they have and both are pointless.

Have you put some more decals on this one to make it go faster ? Ill guarantee everyone reading this forum that unless this kid gets someone with taste to modify his car that this will be the most hideous and most tasteless styled SS you will see in these forums.. just as his busted ass V6 you see in the icon and on his cardomain was the laughing stock before :true:
:Puke:http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/688000-688999/688687_148_full.jpg

[illcul8troffcr]

Holy hell fellas official video documentation of burnout boy (7camaro7) practicing before he got his salvaged SS has been found

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2214615706966337940&q=idiot

[breakparts]

not much on clowning people but that cars a v6.. why put so much fuckin body work into a piece o crap..well better than a honda but shit it might as well be one now..with all those appearance mods he coulda bought a stroked ls1 bottom end and started a buildup.

[7camaro7]

anyways guys, as I was saying... I will probably burn my tires when they get old but not to the point that I smoke the whole neighborhood or anything. I just plan to light them up to make a little(nice cloud) smoke. I never drive until they get completely smooth anyways. I'm not too worried about the paint right now, it's good but not perfect. However, I do plan to keep it in good condition while I have it this color.

[ibanez7]

easy way to tell, have a dealership check your RPO codes. Unless it was the dealership that sent you car off, for dealer installed mods.


Also all LSx powered cars dyno differently some really low, some really high.
some have dynoed as low as 280- and some as high as 320+
(numbers are based off dyno jet)

Your best bet is, just get your car dynoed and mod the hell out of it.


for mods:
lid
fernco bellow
muffler
LT headers/ory
ported tb/bumpstop mod

then chasis
LCA, subframe connectors, tq arm

then
heads and cam.

oh yeah to make sure you have a reliable car, you might want to squeeze drivetrain in there!

[7camaro7]

cool man thanks. I found out that it has the 335hp options, but I've got some questions. What do you guess that is to the wheels?

What is ory?
I'm done with mufflers, I'm going catback hahaha...
tell me about the bumpstop mod too.

thanks

[breakparts]

i did the bumpstop mod to my throttle body... i havent tuned it since before this mod and ported tb and ported maf. hope i get atleast 3 rwhp. but it makes the blade as open as you can get it.

[ibanez7]

to answer your questions breakparts and 7camaro7

ORY = off road y-pipe, its the pipe that connects off your headers, but set up to be without cats.

In regards to any cat back system make sure all pipes are mandrel bent not compression bent, magnaflow and gmmg are amoung the best. Or you can do as I did, buy a good sounding muffler like a flowmaster(doesnt flow for crap) and install an exhaust cut out before the muffler, nothing flows better and you can cap it for quietness if you desire.

a ported throttle body has shown as high as 11 rwhp. No joking.


the bumpstop mod, allows the throttle body blade to open closer to 90degress, alows for more air and increase WOT (wide open throttle) voltage to the PCM.
Before I did the mod, my car would chirp 3rd gear, after the mod 3rd gear kicked the ass end sideways.

when you did the bump stop mod, did you use a voltmeter to make sure you didnt go past 4.6 volts anything higher or having the blade open more then 89degrees will set off the ses light.

you dont need a tune after installing headers, port TB or bumpstop mod.
If you plan on doing a cam/heads wait to tune then.


if your car is rated at 335hp I would guess your rear wheel hp to be:
280+ on a mustang dyno
305+ on a dyno jet.


bumpstop info
http://www.installuniversity.com/install_university/index.htm

[ibanez7]

heres is a post that I wrote awhile ago. it migth be helpfull here too!

"Originally Posted by ibanez7
Damn I can’t believe how many of you forgot to mention that 98-2000 Ls1 dyno completely different then 2001-2002 ls1.

98-2000 ls1 do have a hard time breaking 300rwhp stock. Some as low as 287 some as high as 310

01-02 should consistently be around 315rwhp stock. Some as low as 300 some as high as 330

With about 13% drive-train loss:
98-2000 ls1 crank hp about 325 about!
01-2002 ls1 crank hp about 340 about!

Drive-train loss: GMHTPM rates drivetrain loss at 13%, many others take it has high as 18%. Yes the difference between A4 and M6 plays a part too, M6 suffer less loss.

Yes dyno numbers do range and vary, due too many factors. The two biggest factors being; GMs tolerance or should I say “loose slop”, and the dyno machine.

GM engine geometric tolerance and slop:
The difference between an F-body and a hand built Lamborghini is tolerance slop. Precision cost $$$$ during fabrication. For sake of numbers GM designs to a +/- .005 and lambo builds to +/- .00005. That slop by GM equates to cheaper cost cars and inconsistencies.

Hence why there are factory freaks and extreme swings from low to high on dyno machines(even if is the same dyno machine). Every engine breaks in differently and responds differently.

Dyno Machines:
Eddys and Mustang dyno always show lower numbers then dyno-jet, it’s a know fact!

No matter where you look from here at ls1.com to heavy knowledge based ls1tech.com to GM High tech performance magazine, dyno number range by an extreme amount. Dyno numbers are just a good reference point to see the power difference with new parts.

As far as 1/4 mile times, ls1 01-02 F-BODYS have been know to break into the 12s while completely stock, while some run low 14’s.
It depends on the driver and traction. With average traction and an average (performance driver) should see consistent low 13s. With a great driver you should see 12s in an m6 too.

Also f-body ls1 DO put out the same hp as ls1 vettes.

My 01 z28 m6.
I was able to run 12.9x at Great Lakes Drag, with just a lid and deflated rear tires.
With a lid, LTs, ORY I dynoed on a dyno jet, 347rwhp and 356rwtq.

for more facts read!!! "



That has to be about the best writeup I've seen... thanks for taking the time to post it!

[ibanez7]

since then I have run 12.3 with suspension mods!

[7camaro7]

damn man! I knew I had a bad ass car but damn, I'm able to do 12's with minimum mods!

Hey man, why do ppl with m6 get aftermarket tachs with shift lights?

on a stock m6 shouldn't redlining be good enough or is it inaccurate and dangerous to the engine?

[ibanez7]

damn man! I knew I had a bad ass car but damn, I'm able to do 12's with minimum mods!

Hey man, why do ppl with m6 get aftermarket tachs with shift lights?

on a stock m6 shouldn't redlining be good enough or is it inaccurate and dangerous to the engine?


I didnt buy an aftermarket tach w/shiftlight, but however I did buy a Raptor performance shift light.

It was cost about $80 and its accurate.


here is my posted review!

"test car:
2001 camaro z28 a4... j/k its an m6

I just spent $80 on a led cluster Raptor shift light.

At first I was hesitant and held off on buying one for a long time, I figured $80 is kind of pricey for a light to tell me when to shift. Hell my ears and feel for the engine tells me when to shift!

Well after bouncing off the rev limiter a few times when street racing, I figured screw it, it's time to get one.

Heres the three things I found out with installing and racing with one:

1. install was easy, I dont smoke so I removed my cigarette lighter and replaced it with an on/off toggle for shift light, and wired the power and ground correctly, then I routed the raptor green wire under the passenger side of the dash board and fed the wire in between the front fender and frame to where the pcm is located, and I spliced the green wire into the white (engine speed) wire at pin out 10.

adjusted the pin/pots in the shift light to 6000 rpms (rev limiter is 6200) lets be safe.
Led shift light is mounted on the steering column. all wires are hidden

excellent it's installed - about 30mins (very neat and picky about my wiring)

2. driving and racing with the shift light. All I can say is WOW, I wish i would have installed one a long time ago. First thing I noticed is how far off the factory tach is. When the raptor shift light is flashing at 6000, the factory tach says 5400, hence why its easy to hit the rev limiter. Plus LSx based engines dont sound like their winding out until closer to 7000rpms.

3. when racing or driving spirited, its so nice being able to focus completely on track/highway/other cars. the shift light really allows for that!

in conclusion, its a great purchase and really increases the safety factor for your saving your valvetrain by having excellent RPM accurancy, and increases your safety as a driver by allowing you to focus on whats in front of you.

Also its great knowing you can shift at the top of your power band, and not worry about over reving or under reving..."

[breakparts]

my o2 z has kooks lts,ory no cats,ported t/b and maf.msd wires ngk 55 plugs.kn cold air.t/b bypass.160 deg thermostat.centerforce clutch. and custom cat back. 350rwhp on a mustang dyno with stock pulley and fuel injectors stock cam..stock heads..no cutout...i actually run a bit slower when i almost redline..with my stock cam i shift at 5500 to 5700 rpm and it works best.crazy to think what a big cam and a 90/90 would do. OH and no i didnt check any thing when i ported the t/b just ground the bumpstop till it looked 90 drgrees.. no ses light .

[Ripper415]

This is false....

And like ive said numerous times before buying a salvaged SS after selling a ghettofied chicano mobile ... makes me sad that you squirmed your way into an SS. Youve barely had the car what two months and youre already fucking it up? Giving this kid an SS Camaro is like giving a two year old a ten inch dick.. neither one can handle what they have and both are pointless.

Have you put some more decals on this one to make it go faster ? Ill guarantee everyone reading this forum that unless this kid gets someone with taste to modify his car that this will be the most hideous and most tasteless styled SS you will see in these forums.. just as his busted ass V6 you see in the icon and on his cardomain was the laughing stock before :true:
:Puke:http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/688000-688999/688687_148_full.jpg

HAHA. dude dont you know that every sticker adds 5 hp?? cmon!

[lbls1]

Has anyone mentioned that it is an insignificant amount of a power difference in reality?? Its nice to have, but in terms of modding, bragging rights start far north of those numbers....to the wheels.

So do not get hung up on the stock crank numbers. Your best asset is its condition, mileage, and whether it consumes oil (btw....not all ls1's siphon oil...so keep an eye on the engine's performance).

[7camaro7]

it runs great, nothing is wrong with this car! 99% perfect car, just like one door ding and that's nothing to worry about at all hahaha I keep tabs on it at all times. Very happy to have it.

[breakparts]

IVE RUN INTO A CERTAIN ORANGE SS AROUND MY HOMETOWN....IT LOOKS LIKE A REAL SS,AND THE EXHAUST LOOKS REAL TOO.ALL THE REAL BADGES BUT SOUNDS LIKE SHIT...AND HE TRIED TO RACE ME AND I WAS 1/2 THROTTLE WHILE HE WAS WOT AND I HAD TO LET OFF THE GAS TO KEEP WITH HIM.....HE SAID ITS AREAL LS1 SS 2001---MY ASS IT IS,,,IM SURE ITS A V6 CUZ MY 02 STOCK SOUNDED 5 TIMES BETTER THAN HIS AND WOULD HAVE SMOKED HIM BONE STOCK......WHATS WITH V6 MAROS AND STANGS WANTING TO LOOK THE PART BUT ONLY TOO HAVE REAL GEARHEADS KNOW THERE SECRETS AND FALSE ADVERTISEMENTS...IMEAN SHIT WHO ARE YOU ALL FOOLIN....YOU CANT FOOL A FOOL...I BET MY GIRLFRIENDS IROC-Z 350 WOULD EAT THAT CAR ALIVE...I HATE YOU YOU SUCK ASS AND LOOK ME IN THE EYES NEXT TIME I SEE YOU...FUCKIN LYING POSER:cuss: :Ot:

[7camaro7]

hahahah ooooo kaayyyyyyyyy... I've seen an SS before at a car show and it had all the badges and it actually had an ls1 looking engine in it, but I don't think it was an ls1. The guy always showed it with the hood 1/4 of the way up and once he rolled by me and my girl revving up and I was like yuck, my 6 sounds better than that. I wonder if he had (the wrong exhaust) or something. it was a 4thand1/2 gen SS but sounded less v8 than the 6 I had. I wonder.

Maybe that guy needed a tune up or a cat or something. One time in my 6 my catalytic converter was clogged and the engine reved but the car wouldn't do over 50 or 60 that night.

[bene]

hahahah ooooo kaayyyyyyyyy... I've seen an SS before at a car show and it had all the badges and it actually had an ls1 looking engine in it, but I don't think it was an ls1. The guy always showed it with the hood 1/4 of the way up and once he rolled by me and my girl revving up and I was like yuck, my 6 sounds better than that. I wonder if he had (the wrong exhaust) or something. it was a 4thand1/2 gen SS but sounded less v8 than the 6 I had. I wonder.

Maybe that guy needed a tune up or a cat or something. One time in my 6 my catalytic converter was clogged and the engine reved but the car wouldn't do over 50 or 60 that night.

How about a :lock:. This thing has been off topic since dinosaurs roamed the earth.

[99 Formula]

my formy had 295 at the flywheel according to sticker..but thats all changed now...lol

[Azrael]

I think only the red anniversary edition SS got the 345hp package. The non-anniversary ss got the 325HP

I have not read the whole thread but your wrong.

First look for the Y2Y option code, or the SLP sticker ont he passenger door.

Our NBM 2002 started as a 345hp package. Basically just the Blackwing lid/filter and either Dual/Dual or CME exhaust. We have the BW Lid/CME.

[7camaro7]

I know the automatic SSs had like 325 on the engine and 280-300hp on the wheels, but what is 335hp fly wheel on a 6spd? 6spd is supposed to transfer more power to the ground, right?

[bene]

I know the automatic SSs had like 325 on the engine and 280-300hp on the wheels, but what is 335hp fly wheel on a 6spd? 6spd is supposed to transfer more power to the ground, right?
Why don't you dyno it and find out instead of guessing what HP/TQ you got.

[breakparts]

no way that 325 motor will end up being 300 rwhp..sorry do the math, we are way underestimated....my homies bolt on 04 cobra tried to run me from a 1st gear roll at low rpm...hes got 440 rwhp on a dynojet...but mine has 380 rwhp on a mustang dyno......omg he shit when i jumped 3 cars on him in 1st gear....and i kept 3 on him til we quit in 3rd....peak hp means shit..and his eaton definately only has a sweet spot..thats for sure...no even curve..sorry. and whats with the new m3..said to have 330 hp....definately not to the wheels...and if to the motor id expect about the same as an ls1 300 to the wheels stock...but they dont make that and there not really that fast.....but they all seem to say thed beat me to 150....no fuckin way your gonna pull back 8 car lengths just cuz thats where you pull harder..sorry again...IM NOT SURE HOW THESE HP RATINGS FROM THE FACTORY REALLY REFLECT THE ACTUAL POWER...GOT ME ALWAYS GUESSING. BUT the ls1 is definately underrated.

[7camaro7]

If I knew where a dyno was around here I'd go, but I don't.

also that thing about hp can't always be looked at as a reflection of how fast something is. weight is important too

[bene]

If I knew where a dyno was around here I'd go, but I don't.

also that thing about hp can't always be looked at as a reflection of how fast something is. weight is important too

There are lots of dyno shop in TN and your neighboring states.

[7camaro7]

find me one and I'll go!

[bene]

find me one and I'll go!


WTF? Have you ever heard of google?:denied: :ughlaugh: :hahano:

[7camaro7]

sorry my friend gotta go, you look it up for me

[SPECOPS94]

If you want to know what the SLP added options are and what the rated HP package is, which is the total advertised after production and SLP mods, then open up your passenger door and check the SLP Second Supplier Option sticker. It will give you the advertised HP rating.

Everyone is correct in their statements about the concern about HP. However, that being said, let me add my one liner here. It is not the HP that matters, it is the torque and the ability to transfer the available power to the ground without burning off 10,000 miles of rubber.

Hope this helps some.
Mike

[Danger731]

I put the SLP options on myself for cheaper. ;)

[SPECOPS94]

Check the SLP advertised HP gains. This will give you only a ballpark increase since unless you Dyno, the true output will never be known.. You would also have to take into consideration what the actual HP rating of the car is directly from GM since they most always under rate the HP for insurance purposes during any given year... Or so I've read in multiple sources over the past 30 years....

[Hawk241]

I have been reading all this, I just picked up an 02 Firehawk, called slp, and was nice to them and they were nice to me, thats how you do it, anyhow, I gave them my vin, and they told me exactly what was done and that i have the 345 h.p. setup. Its an A4 f.y.i..Luv It!!

[SPECOPS94]

Congrats!! There is something to the old golden rule of 'Treat other people the way you want to be treated'!! There is plenty of info out there, it's just a matter of being polite to get it, even when they aren't suppposed to give you some things if your'e nice, they usually do!

[7camaro7]

I have been reading all this, I just picked up an 02 Firehawk, called slp, and was nice to them and they were nice to me, thats how you do it, anyhow, I gave them my vin, and they told me exactly what was done and that i have the 345 h.p. setup. Its an A4 f.y.i..Luv It!!

Sounds awesome! got pics?

[warpwr]

I am looking at the "SLP Engineering Installed Options" for Camaro SS, window sticker that was on my window.
It says....

345 HP CENTER EXHAUST PERFORMANCE $1359.00
Front Grille with SS Center $249.00
10 Spoke Chrome Plated, Aluminum $999.00
Custom Rear Deck $99.00
Premium Front Floor $99.00
Commemorative $59.00
Total..............$2,864.00

[7camaro7]

mine does not say anything but the standard 325 on the window sticker and then it lists slp options after but doesn't say anything else about power, but when I looked in the slp supplement manual it mentions the center exit exhaust giving 335 all together. by the way the cme is stock on the car.

within the next few months I'm going to get it dynoed. I found one like 40miles away

[breakparts]

this thread needs to end cuz its hella long and drawn out now..shit i guess you do care what options our cars came with but well youll never really know the power output till you dyno the danm thing....so if slp said you had 330 rwhp and you dyno .i bet it wouldnt be exact.so do it and forget what it should make...our cars never make what chevy says the should

[1 FMF]

haven't posted in here in years,
have an 02 ss with 345 hp. and the brochure.
only the 345hp package, with the blackwind lid + either slp exhaust (dual or cme) got you 345hp advertised from the factory, and the door sticker from slp says 345hp package. Otherwise if you have the factory slp CME or dual exhaust then you're just 335 hp. Base SS was 325 hp and Z28 was 315, for 2002. Also, I though some cars might have gotten a blackwing paper air filter, which was supposedly better than the ACdelco paper filter.

I dyno'd mine last year, october, mid-low 60F temp at 6pm. Car is an 02 SS M6 t-top 345 hp package, blackwing lid. Completely stock minus k&n air filter, NGK iridium plugs, taylor thundervolt wires from my previous SS. Had oem 10-spoke clearcoated Al rims with the oem goodyears with about 25k on them, 32k on the odometer. Mobil 5w-40 Truck&SUV oil in the motor, synchromesh in the T56, Redline 75w-90 in the rear. Engine oil temps ran in the 200-220F and tranny in the 120F range for all pulls. Also had the oem 190F thermostat, plus ran the radiator fans the whole time so coolant was < 210F. Also was running near 100 % VP streetblaze 100 octane unleaded just for the dyno pull, didn't have a computer to monitor knock but I'm pretty sure there was 0 KR.

pull #1 = 318/2 / 328.2
pull #2 = 326.0 / 337.7
pull #3 = 328.7 / 340.7
pull #4 = 326.5 / 339.0
pull #5 = 326.1 / 339.8 A/F = 12.4

never did get the make/model of the dyno or any specific info on it, all the guy knew was how to trigger it and give me a printout, but consider this maybe the best a "stock" 02 345hp SS can put out at the rear wheels... if you believe the dyno. my dyno graphs might still be over at ls2 in the dyno section.
later

[7camaro7]

cool thanks man! I will definitely dyno mine when I get an intake and then I'll pull stock and then one with the intake installed to see the difference!

[bttb]

Only if you want to burn tires and not clutch material

[fredy]

i got a 99 ta my car was on the dyno 298 rwhp stock engine 310 horses

now my car is 370 rwhp has cam header ls6 30lbs injector

[7camaro7]

wow, auto or m6? and what kind of cam and headers?

[breakparts]

yack---370rwhp from a cam and bolton ls1---i wouldnt be happy with those numbers

[7camaro7]

what mods would you do that are similar and what kinda power would you expect?

[02SLPSS]

what mods would you do that are similar and what kinda power would you expect?

Why mess with something good? is it not fast enough? If you have a limited production car, like we do, leave it alone (an '02 SS SLP with CME and 6 speed). Unless you don't give a crap about the future and what that car might be worth. My buddy keeps telling me to put the bottle on mine. not gonna happen. This is a very nice driving car, gets me where i want to go, and fast.

I probably am saying this because i have another toy i can MESS with. But i want to keep my SS original.

here's the other toy

www.72splitbumper.com

[7camaro7]

man I know but I've got to! Personally I don't care what it'll be worth in the future because I never plan on getting rid of it. and awesome 72 by the way. That is the only old school camaro I really really want! but I've got to have my ss putting EVERYBODY in their place. however I will be excited to see what they are worth down the road. even if it was worth some big cash, I'd still rather have the car than the money. That's how you know I really like my car. it is rare as hell too, I looked it up on the build number site and ones like mine made were 74. if I could check the build numbers more accurately for all the options mine has, I bet there were even fewer.

yup, I'm pretty much one of those guys who thinks stock sucks(when it comes to my rides) but it's ok for everybody else.

[SPECOPS94]

It's a matter of opinion "To mod or not to mod". I have worked on everything I have ever owned and done some perf work to most of them. Everything from a 1969 NOVA w/ 511cid to the ole 1981 Z28 w/383cid. I now have the 2002 Camaro SS LE and although the bug bites me often, I refuse to modify it at all and have a greater desire to keep it completely orginal.

But, I believe that it is the option of each individual in what they want to do with their car. Just because I prefer to keep mine original and the future value does come into play, ,not for sale purposes, but for owning a car that is highly admired/desired due to it's still being completely original - collector. This is not to say that someone shouldn't modify another. Plenty people do.

It is a matter of preference. I'm older, MUCH older, now and to think if I would have just kept that fully restored 57 Chevy when I bought my first car... or the 70 LS6 Chevelle...... or the 1969 NOVA SS (No not the one I built the 511 for - I've owned 11 of those!).

Enjoy what you have and have a great time with it!!!

Mike

[Tyler_LS1]

I am going to be modding guys!

This last weekend I had lots of fun with my SS. I did fuck up and burn my clutch for the first time though. It still works but I messed up with my big feet. I wear size 11 and I was trying to do a burn out so I reved it up to atleast 4000 or 5000 rpm and I meant to come all the way off the clutch but I lifted and my foot got stuck above the clutch on the black peice above it and I kept my other foot on the gas. It's funny because I thought I was smoking them but I wasn't. I learned from my girls grandaddy how to pop the clutch with like 3000rpms and I figured that's how to launch the 6spd. Also I had the chance to do some speed shifting and I had a blast!

Question, do you absolutely have to pop the clutch to do a burn out?

to answer your question. no.

just putt along in first gear, get the RPM's up a bit the FLOOR IT!!!
and press down on the brake gentley for a brakes stand or just keep you foot in it for a rolling burnout.

i went out one night in my car and had it in second gear, cruised up to about 3500 RPMs and Floored it, it just roasted the tires ( i try not to burn out to much, tires are very expensive)

[SpeedAddict38]

All LS1 engines make 350 bhp. GM adverstised LS1 fbody with 305-325 bhp only so vette owners won't get their panties in a bunch. Why do you think LS1s on fbodies make 280-325 rwhp stock?

how many hp does the 01 ss have ? All the info I look at says 325 hp

[7camaro7]

01's have 325, 335 and 345, just depending on what package you have...

some of them had the packages I read.

Also I've got the newest gmhtp and it says our engines make 400.4hp on the flywheel stock!!! so the hp on our cars are much closer to what we're puttin out to the wheels! ITS TRUE!

[SpeedAddict38]

It's a matter of opinion "To mod or not to mod". I have worked on everything I have ever owned and done some perf work to most of them. Everything from a 1969 NOVA w/ 511cid to the ole 1981 Z28 w/383cid. I now have the 2002 Camaro SS LE and although the bug bites me often, I refuse to modify it at all and have a greater desire to keep it completely orginal.

But, I believe that it is the option of each individual in what they want to do with their car. Just because I prefer to keep mine original and the future value does come into play, ,not for sale purposes, but for owning a car that is highly admired/desired due to it's still being completely original - collector. This is not to say that someone shouldn't modify another. Plenty people do.

It is a matter of preference. I'm older, MUCH older, now and to think if I would have just kept that fully restored 57 Chevy when I bought my first car... or the 70 LS6 Chevelle...... or the 1969 NOVA SS (No not the one I built the 511 for - I've owned 11 of those!).

Enjoy what you have and have a great time with it!!!

Mike
i am with u. my car is 2 fast as is. i like smokin people with my stock car. lots of mods would be cool but i will stick with how it came

[blackbird 565r]

the 345 hp cars also came with an SLP airlid from factory if yours don't have that it's not the 345