Stock 02 GT with drag radials and gears?

[Brigadier Pudding]

All right, so one of my coworkers, practically an archbishop of the Ford religion, does not appreciate it when I trash talk Mustangs.

Apparently the dam broke yesterday when I was expressing profound disappointment in my friend Ryan, who lusted after LS1 6-speed WS6 Trans-Ams but purchased a 2004 Mustang GT 5-speed for $18,500. As much as he wanted a TA, he surprised all his friends by throwing this wicked curveball. The difference in power is huge, and I seriously doubt he is inclined to significantly modify the Mustang, as he told me he wanted to put an SLP Loudmouth on a Trans-Am and not bother with headers. Therefore, I think the passage of time will be directly related to Ryan's disappointment.

Naturally, my coworker commends Ryan's wisdom in choosing the invincible Ford. I then inform him that my 1999 Formula A4 typically annihilates 1999-2004 GT 5-speeds on the highway. I think I flung the phrase "underpowered pieces of shit" into the conversation.

Don't get me wrong, I am completely aware that a 4.6 can be built. I also love and respect Mach 1's and Cobra's, especially the factory supercharged models. Yet, the 1996-2004 GT's are absurdly underpowered from the factory. I just cannot comprehend Ryan's reckless decision.

Now, here's where the topic of Street Racing can be applied to the thread:

Anyway, today my coworker says there's a Mustang he wants me to run; it belongs to someone he knows. He claims this 2002 GT 5-speed is stock. I start freaking out, because I think he's bullshitting me about the car being stock. I don't think he could be delusional enough to "sponsor" a stock 02 GT against me. I ask him if he's certain the guy isn't running nitrous. He swears it's all stock. I ask him if it has stock gears; this he doesn't know, but he starts grinning at my nervousness. I ask him if the guy is running drag radials; he says the drag radials will probably be on the car. My coworker wants to see me versus the GT on a 1/4 mile run. I think I'll agree to racing from a dig provided we also race from a roll.

I personally do not know why anyone would run drag radials on a GT which is supposed to be stock but may or may not have gears. Why would they not touch the motor? I think either a)my coworker is bullshitting me, or b) he himself is unsure as to whether or not the motor has been touched. Bear in mind, my coworker also claims a Mustang with bolt-ons can run 11's. I can't see that happening, unless the car is an automatic with an enormous stall, 4:10 gears, and drag radials.

Basically, I want to know about how fast a stock 2002 Mustang GT 5-speed is if it had drag radials and maybe 4:10 gears. A worse scenario would involve full bolt-ons, and the absolute worst situation would involve a blower and some spray. It would be a quarter mile run from a dig, but I will also want to race from a roll.

My car is a 1999 Formula A4 with 2.73 gears, stock size tires of questionable quality (Falkens), SLP FloPac, SLP Loudmouth catback, Pacesetter long tube headers, and a TSP catted Y pipe.

I just installed the headers and Y pipe. I can feel more top end pull, but the car bogs down a bit on the very low end. I figure that a dyno tune will fix it, and I plan on doing one by the end of summer. Will the slight bogging with the headers make my car perform less well than it did before I put the headers on?

[specialized.1]

So maybe you should put 4.10s in amd maybe some drag radials. I bet even with similar mods you would wax him. I bet you will wax him now, The driver has alot to do with this as well. Especally with 4.10s. Have fun and be as safe as you can be...

[mogs01gt]

depends on the bolt ons. 4.10s and DRs will put it in the mid 13s easily. Could put her into the low 13s at a great track, would need a great launch. Correct they are underpowered stock. Now with bolt ons, its anybody's guess.

[toneloc60]

Don't be scared. Just race him.

[Antz97ZNJ]

4.10s and DRs will put it in the mid 13s easilyI wouldnt say easily, Most of the full bolt ons 2 valve GTs barely hit mid to lower 13's.

[Marc87GN]

I wouldnt say easily, Most of the full bolt ons 2 valve GTs barely hit mid to lower 13's.

That's probably because they are not full bolt-ons. I owned a 99 GT auto for 5 years and it ran quite well N/A, but much better with the turbo. :burnout: There were several guys running low 13s/high 12s N/A and many with automatics. Good stall converter, shift kit, gears and exhaust would get an auto in the bottom 13s all day. It just wouldn't trap as well as an LS1.

When going N/A, you don't start out with small cubes and 9:1 compression. It's great for FI because I ran, a well documented, 10s on the stock longblock with a turbo setup. The engine is great for that, but I wouldn't push it N/A unless I bumped the compression to atleast 11:1. Boy did I lay waste to so many LS1s with that car it should have been illegal. Nothing like a stock looking GT with a big T-76 under the hood surrounded by cocky LS1 owners in my area.

[ss~zoso~ss]

hey hey now

lol

[Brigadier Pudding]

Don't be scared. Just race him.

I plan on it, but I'll wait a few weeks until the headers have broken in and I'm sure nothing's going to go wrong with my car. Obviously I'll post the results....

I'd use DR's, but I don't have the money right now. I'm considering borrowing the sticky tires from my friend's 93 Z28. My coworker would probably piss himself if he saw my car roll up to race with better tires.

Mind you, I'm not trying to rag on Mustang's too much. Given that they are American made rear-drive V8's, I respect them. But I don't see why anyone would buy a 1996-2004 model over an LS1 unless they planned on building it up into a turbod/supercharged Z06-killing beast.

[Blackout]

I plan on it, but I'll wait a few weeks until the headers have broken in and I'm sure nothing's going to go wrong with my car. Obviously I'll post the results....

I'd use DR's, but I don't have the money right now. I'm considering borrowing the sticky tires from my friend's 93 Z28. My coworker would probably piss himself if he saw my car roll up to race with better tires.

Mind you, I'm not trying to rag on Mustang's too much. Given that they are American made rear-drive V8's, I respect them. But I don't see why anyone would buy a 1996-2004 model over an LS1 unless they planned on building it up into a turbod/supercharged Z06-killing beast.

trust me its coming slowly but surely.

[toneloc60]

I plan on it, but I'll wait a few weeks until the headers have broken in and I'm sure nothing's going to go wrong with my car.

What are you so worried about?

From what I've gathered from your posts you and your coworker rib each other left and right about the bowtie and blue oval rivilary. Now it seems you've talked your way into a race. But instead of just running what you've got and what you've been selling to him, you're doing what every ricer does. "Oh, just wait until I get XXXX XXXXX."

I'm not trying to flame you. And I really don't want to sound like I'm attacking you because that isn't my intent. I'm simply calling it like I see it.

My point, don't talk trash unless you really intend on backing it up right here and right now. Not a month or a year from now when you get whatever for mods done. This goes for everyone out there that talks big about their cars... Line up or shut up.

[JWBZ SVT]

Assuming the mustang has 4.10 gears and dr's only, my guess is that you will win. (maybe CAI & exhaust plus gears and dr's would make it a little closer--I dunno, I could be wrong though)

[Ed Blown Vert]

Your gears may hurt you. Get a converter and tires. Then watch out. :)

[mogs01gt]

I wouldnt say easily, Most of the full bolt ons 2 valve GTs barely hit mid to lower 13's.
In the "Im a crack head" land

FULL bolt on GTs are in the low 12s high 11s. I think you need to take a stop back and think about what FULL bolt ons means.

[Brigadier Pudding]

What are you so worried about?

From what I've gathered from your posts you and your coworker rib each other left and right about the bowtie and blue oval rivilary. Now it seems you've talked your way into a race. But instead of just running what you've got and what you've been selling to him, you're doing what every ricer does. "Oh, just wait until I get XXXX XXXXX."

I'm not trying to flame you. And I really don't want to sound like I'm attacking you because that isn't my intent. I'm simply calling it like I see it.

My point, don't talk trash unless you really intend on backing it up right here and right now. Not a month or a year from now when you get whatever for mods done. This goes for everyone out there that talks big about their cars... Line up or shut up.

I feel obligated to defend myself.

You conjure up wild assumptions about my loyalty to any automotive manufacturer. I absolutely loathe the very idea of company superiority, of being a "Chevy boy" or a "Ford man." Manifested within my coworker is the stereotype of a zealous Ford fanatic. His automotive philosophy has transcended mere preference and sits comfortably sipping brandy within a mesosphere of prejudice.

I, on the other hand, judge the car, not the company. When I was searching for a late-model muscle car, I wanted the best bang for my buck. While I really dug the then-brand new 05 GT's, they were way too much money. I was also considering 1999-2004 GT's, yet seeing as how I was not inclined to radically modify the motor or reduce the streetability of what would be a daily driver, I bought an F-body. I'm pretty damned happy with the power of the car, and it only has a few bolt-ons, none of which reduce the streetability of the vehicle. However, if I had the money, I would drop my car in a second and buy an 04 Cobra.

You can inundate your post with a plethora of disclaimers, yet the severely illogical, completely unfounded comparison to rice-boys cannot be construed as anything but inflammatory. The statement is illogical because I did not say I was waiting for any future modifications. I put the headers in on Monday, before the incident with my coworker. The modifications have been completed; I am waiting until I am certain the header installation will have no adverse effects on my vehicle. Considering that last night my car was idleing funny with a bit of an erratic pulse, I think there is almost a strong enough correlation to prove my fears. (Just for reference, I'm replacing my plug wires and installing heat shielding on the new boots. I'll be doing it this weekend, along with adjusting my header bolts to ensure the manifolds have sealed.)

Therefore, the point of your post, "don't talk trash unless you really intend on backing it up right here and right now. Not a month or a year from now when you get whatever for mods done", appears completely devoid of an actual point. Why should I run my car with possibly burnt up plug wires or any other problems that may arise? Would you race your car if your fuel pump was going out, which would consequently reduce your fuel pressure? Would you race your car if you had a tire blow out and you were driving on a spare?

I made my original post in order to satisfy my curiosity about how well a Stang with DRs and gears could run. Any inflammatory remarks about Stangs are facetious, and I will stand by my point that the 1996-2004 GT's are underpowered from the factory but can still be built into absolute beasts. I'm not afraid to run this 02 GT; I will race it when I can get around to it.

[Blackout]

One thing everyone needs remember is that a good driver will make a world of a differents on how a car performes at the track. I went the other night and got 15.2 each pass. I know my car should be alot faster with my set up, but that was my first time at the track.

[Murder after Midnight]

What are you so worried about?

From what I've gathered from your posts you and your coworker rib each other left and right about the bowtie and blue oval rivilary. Now it seems you've talked your way into a race. But instead of just running what you've got and what you've been selling to him, you're doing what every ricer does. "Oh, just wait until I get XXXX XXXXX."

I'm not trying to flame you. And I really don't want to sound like I'm attacking you because that isn't my intent. I'm simply calling it like I see it.

My point, don't talk trash unless you really intend on backing it up right here and right now. Not a month or a year from now when you get whatever for mods done. This goes for everyone out there that talks big about their cars... Line up or shut up.


Agreed +100000000000000
this should be stickied

[Murder after Midnight]

I plan on it, but I'll wait a few weeks until the headers have broken in and I'm sure nothing's going to go wrong with my car. Obviously I'll post the results....

I'd use DR's, but I don't have the money right now. I'm considering borrowing the sticky tires from my friend's 93 Z28. My coworker would probably piss himself if he saw my car roll up to race with better tires.

Mind you, I'm not trying to rag on Mustang's too much. Given that they are American made rear-drive V8's, I respect them. But I don't see why anyone would buy a 1996-2004 model over an LS1 unless they planned on building it up into a turbod/supercharged Z06-killing beast.



Well the mustangs are usually cheaper by quite a bit especially the 96-98 cars. Of course I wanted a WS6 when I bought my car but it was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more expensive at the time and it still really is and hey some muscle car is better than no muscle car, or having to pay a car note every month.................

[toneloc60]

I feel obligated to defend myself.

You conjure up wild assumptions about my loyalty to any automotive manufacturer. I absolutely loathe the very idea of company superiority, of being a "Chevy boy" or a "Ford man." Manifested within my coworker is the stereotype of a zealous Ford fanatic. His automotive philosophy has transcended mere preference and sits comfortably sipping brandy within a mesosphere of prejudice.

I, on the other hand, judge the car, not the company. When I was searching for a late-model muscle car, I wanted the best bang for my buck. While I really dug the then-brand new 05 GT's, they were way too much money. I was also considering 1999-2004 GT's, yet seeing as how I was not inclined to radically modify the motor or reduce the streetability of what would be a daily driver, I bought an F-body. I'm pretty damned happy with the power of the car, and it only has a few bolt-ons, none of which reduce the streetability of the vehicle. However, if I had the money, I would drop my car in a second and buy an 04 Cobra.

You can inundate your post with a plethora of disclaimers, yet the severely illogical, completely unfounded comparison to rice-boys cannot be construed as anything but inflammatory. The statement is illogical because I did not say I was waiting for any future modifications. I put the headers in on Monday, before the incident with my coworker. The modifications have been completed; I am waiting until I am certain the header installation will have no adverse effects on my vehicle. Considering that last night my car was idleing funny with a bit of an erratic pulse, I think there is almost a strong enough correlation to prove my fears. (Just for reference, I'm replacing my plug wires and installing heat shielding on the new boots. I'll be doing it this weekend, along with adjusting my header bolts to ensure the manifolds have sealed.)

Therefore, the point of your post, "don't talk trash unless you really intend on backing it up right here and right now. Not a month or a year from now when you get whatever for mods done", appears completely devoid of an actual point. Why should I run my car with possibly burnt up plug wires or any other problems that may arise? Would you race your car if your fuel pump was going out, which would consequently reduce your fuel pressure? Would you race your car if you had a tire blow out and you were driving on a spare?

I made my original post in order to satisfy my curiosity about how well a Stang with DRs and gears could run. Any inflammatory remarks about Stangs are facetious, and I will stand by my point that the 1996-2004 GT's are underpowered from the factory but can still be built into absolute beasts. I'm not afraid to run this 02 GT; I will race it when I can get around to it.

This is probably one of the most thought out, carefull put together and intelligent posts I've ever read. However, you missed the point of my entire post.

I told you, I wasn't trying to flame you. Relax. It was the consideration of throwing on someone else's DRs and waiting until you see how you're running after putting on the headers that bothered me.

Look, I have '57 Bel Air project car. That is where I'm sinking all of my money. I'm in the middle of swapping the firewall and floorpan from a '99 Formula WS6 into the Bel Air so I can run the Formula's interior, dash and HVAC system. Why would I do that? Because I'm also swapping in the Formula's LS1, M6 and front suspension.

Once I get everything swapped I'll be ordering the 200 cubic inch Whipple supercharger, a forged bottom end with -28 cc pistons and other supporting internals.

Now, when I'm done, this is going to be a hell of a street machine. However, I do not rib anyone about what they choose to support at this point. The reason for that is this, right now all I have to back up any and all statements flying out of my mouth is my '00 Z28 M6 with only free mods. There are far too many cars out there that will spank me for me to do that.

So, once again I sit here typing away hoping that you realize I am not trying to flame you. I would only hope that you and the others in the world (of whom you probably are not nearly as bad as) will quit talking up their cars all the time when they (or you) are not ready to back it up at that particular moment.

[Stills]

but I will also want to race from a roll.



WTF?
Roll? You sound like a ricer, are you driving a Honda or a Camaro? Run him. If he out drives you from a dig, so be it, learn how to dragrace. If you run him from a roll and win, great, you have more horsepower. A 4.10/DR GT can be strong from a dig, don't underestimate it.

[getcha01]

In the "Im a crack head" land

FULL bolt on GTs are in the low 12s high 11s. I think you need to take a stop back and think about what FULL bolt ons means.

full boltons is headers, full exhaust,intake, thats its, my buddy had a 02 GT with headers,intake,cam and heads redone even and never broke into 12's, he had a 5 spd

[lemons12]

full boltons is headers, full exhaust,intake, thats its, my buddy had a 02 GT with headers,intake,cam and heads redone even and never broke into 12's, he had a 5 spd

your an idiot.... goes to show you know nothing about ls1s or stangs....

here..http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100979&page=4

[JwMonE99]

So maybe you should put 4.10s in amd maybe some drag radials. I bet even with similar mods you would wax him. I bet you will wax him now, The driver has alot to do with this as well. Especally with 4.10s. Have fun and be as safe as you can be...

and say by by to your rear. Somthing the mustang wouldnt need to worry about

[lemons12]

and say by by to your rear. Somthing the mustang wouldnt need to worry about

full bolt ons, ms4, ported ls6s, ported 90/90, 410s, 4k stall, and et streets... stock 10 bolt still going strong..

people dont give them enough credit

[JwMonE99]

Yea I know there are looked down upon by many more then it should be. But I have even seen them go out with stock power. Just to be on the safe side, I still launch at 3-3500 and I keep only street tires. Plus me being a 6 speed doesnt help much either lol

[lemons12]

Yea I know there are looked down upon by many more then it should be. But I have even seen them go out with stock power. Just to be on the safe side, I still launch at 3-3500 and I keep only street tires. Plus me being a 6 speed doesnt help much either lol

yea, they suck, just not as much as some people say....

6speed is def. worse though

[flash]

:uzi:
:rock:
Holy 2 year old thread batman.

[richard head]

One thing everyone needs remember is that a good driver will make a world of a differents on how a car performes at the track. I went the other night and got 15.2 each pass. I know my car should be alot faster with my set up, but that was my first time at the track.

N Austin, huh? I'm callin you out, mister. Hah! Whats up, don't see many from the Lone Star State in here. We should get together, see how ya do against my stocker WS6. All I got's a lid and a cutout :)

[jknelms]

:uzi:
:rock:
Holy 2 year old thread batman.

ugh!!! Getcha01!!!:brick2: :cuss:

[lemons12]

:uzi:
:rock:
Holy 2 year old thread batman.

i didnt even notice that...

ugh!!! Getcha01!!!:brick2: :cuss:


OMG!!!!!!!!!!! i cant believe this tool.. one more reason.. :hifinger:
:Owned:
getcha.. your an idiot..

ls1.com towards getcha............. :villagers:

[mogs01gt]

full boltons is headers, full exhaust,intake, thats its, my buddy had a 02 GT with headers,intake,cam and heads redone even and never broke into 12's, he had a 5 spd
looks like your buddy's GT is fucked up or he cant drive. I run 12s on radials and road race suspension. There are plenty of dragrace setup cars running high 11s and 12s on bolt ons.

[JwMonE99]

A friend of mine down here has full bolt ons, gears, tune, and some kind of other 5 speed tranny and drag radials and runs low 12s all day. But then again hes a bad ass driver.

[mogs01gt]

A friend of mine down here has full bolt ons, gears, tune, and some kind of other 5 speed tranny and drag radials and runs low 12s all day. But then again hes a bad ass driver.
TKO tranny.

[big hammer]

full boltons is headers, full exhaust,intake, thats its, my buddy had a 02 GT with headers,intake,cam and heads redone even and never broke into 12's, he had a 5 spd

In the "Im a crack head" land

FULL bolt on GTs are in the low 12s high 11s. I think you need to take a stop back and think about what FULL bolt ons means.

yeah and those mustangs are really pushing the bounds as to what constitutes a "bolt-on" car.

when you gotta spend about $6000 + install, replace almost everyting on the car but leave the engine internals stock, kinda up in the air to if that is a bolt on car anymore.

[mogs01gt]

yeah and those mustangs are really pushing the bounds as to what constitutes a "bolt-on" car.when you gotta spend about $6000 + install, replace almost everyting on the car but leave the engine internals stock, kinda up in the air to if that is a bolt on car anymore.
6k?? What kind of crack are you smoking bro? Mustang parts are cheap!

[big hammer]

6k?? What kind of crack are you smoking bro? Mustang parts are cheap!

fine prove me wrong then.

[mogs01gt]

fine prove me wrong then.
ok, what parts do you think are expensive?

[big hammer]

ok, what parts do you think are expensive?

here you go. commence picking it apart. www.jpcracing.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=1109

[mogs01gt]

here you go. commence picking it apart. www.jpcracing.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=1109
Since when was I talking about the 05+ platform and their over priced parts? ohh and :spit: do their "ULtimate 11-Second ET Package"
Here is a 05 done correctly.
http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1067330
11 second 05 gt. No way in hell it cost him 6k

[big hammer]

Since when was I talking about the 05+ platform and their over priced parts? ohh and :spit: do their "ULtimate 11-Second ET Package"
Here is a 05 done correctly.
http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1067330
11 second 05 gt. No way in hell it cost him 6k

this much? it wouldnt be cheap by any means.

06 mods
AAR lightweight radiator support
Pulleys
Short belt
Shorty headers
off road x pipe
OEM clutch
Aluminum flywheel
Weld 15" wheels
1 piece steel driveshaft
Front and rear lower control arms
Roush springs (modified by AAR)
Stock original shocks and struts
Line loc
Short throw shifter
2 step launch control
Cold air intake (Modular Depot)
SCT x-cal2 tuned by AAR
IMRC eliminator plates (not port matched)
4:56 gears
GT 500 throttle body
AAR lightweight rear brake assembly
Light weight front brake assembly
Slicks and skinnies
Battery in stock location (Not OEM battery)
3200 pounds with driver
1 Kirkey seat

complete with weight weduction. does this really fall into the bolt on category?

most people consider bolt ons as headers, exhaust, intake, tuner, a couple misc and maybe gears.

[mogs01gt]

this much? it wouldnt be cheap by any means.
06 mods
AAR lightweight radiator support
Pulleys
Short belt
Shorty headers
off road x pipe
OEM clutch
Aluminum flywheel
Weld 15" wheels
1 piece steel driveshaft
Front and rear lower control arms
Roush springs (modified by AAR)
Stock original shocks and struts
Line loc
Short throw shifter
2 step launch control
Cold air intake (Modular Depot)
SCT x-cal2 tuned by AAR
IMRC eliminator plates (not port matched)
4:56 gears
GT 500 throttle body
AAR lightweight rear brake assembly
Light weight front brake assembly
Slicks and skinnies
Battery in stock location (Not OEM battery)
3200 pounds with driver
1 Kirkey seat
complete with weight weduction. does this really fall into the bolt on category? most people consider bolt ons as headers, exhaust, intake, tuner, a couple misc and maybe gears.
Not my fault most people are morons. That would maybe cost 3k, Not really sure since the 05+ market is a total rip off.

[big hammer]

Not my fault most people are morons. That would maybe cost 3k, Not really sure since the 05+ market is a total rip off.

i'm pretty sure it would be more than 3k

[JwMonE99]

TKO tranny.

yup probably.
I never did learn, what so great about the TKO?

[mogs01gt]

i'm pretty sure it would be more than 3k
No way, 3k would be max.. I barely have 5k in my car.

[big hammer]

No way, 3k would be max.. I barely have 5k in my car.

you run 11's?

[big hammer]

AAR lightweight radiator support $200
Pulleys $300
Short belt $50
Shorty headers $350
off road x pipe $200
OEM clutch $0? unless replaced
Aluminum flywheel $250
Weld 15" wheels $500
1 piece steel driveshaft $250
Front and rear lower control arms $150
Roush springs (modified by AAR) $250
Stock original shocks and struts
Line loc $100
Short throw shifter $150
2 step launch control ? no clue
Cold air intake (Modular Depot) $300
SCT x-cal2 tuned by AAR $200
IMRC eliminator plates (not port matched) $250
4:56 gears $200
GT 500 throttle body $300
AAR lightweight rear brake assembly $250
Light weight front brake assembly $250
Slicks and skinnies $600
Battery in stock location (Not OEM battery) $100
3200 pounds with driver
1 Kirkey seat $150
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$5350 and i think i was being quite fair?

[Cayenne97]

looks like your buddy's GT is fucked up or he cant drive. I run 12s on radials and road race suspension. There are plenty of dragrace setup cars running high 11s and 12s on bolt ons.

Ehh, if your referring to the '99-04 GT, no 2-valve stang is going to hit 11's with bolt-ons! No friggin' way!! High 11's takes ported intake, heads, cams, all the nick nacks plus suspension/gears. And even then i've seen several guys still linger in the very low 12's at around 109-111. 11's takes a lot of work in a 2v if you wanna do it naturally aspirated.

[lemons12]

No way, 3k would be max.. I barely have 5k in my car.

i have right at 5k in my with appearance and go fast mods.. i made over 400rwhp through a stalled a4 with 410s though...

you run 11's?

i do:burnout:

[mogs01gt]

AAR lightweight radiator support $200
Pulleys $300
Short belt $50
Shorty headers $350
off road x pipe $200
OEM clutch $0? unless replaced
Aluminum flywheel $250
Weld 15" wheels $500
1 piece steel driveshaft $250
Front and rear lower control arms $150
Roush springs (modified by AAR) $250
Stock original shocks and struts
Line loc $100
Short throw shifter $150
2 step launch control ? no clue
Cold air intake (Modular Depot) $300
SCT x-cal2 tuned by AAR $200
IMRC eliminator plates (not port matched) $250
4:56 gears $200
GT 500 throttle body $300
AAR lightweight rear brake assembly $250
Light weight front brake assembly $250
Slicks and skinnies $600
Battery in stock location (Not OEM battery) $100
3200 pounds with driver
1 Kirkey seat $150
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$5350 and i think i was being quite fair?
Of course you can skew the numbers by using all high numbers. 300 for pullies?? come on now.
Ehh, if your referring to the '99-04 GT, no 2-valve stang is going to hit 11's with bolt-ons! No friggin' way!! High 11's takes ported intake, heads, cams, all the nick nacks plus suspension/gears. And even then i've seen several guys still linger in the very low 12's at around 109-111. 11's takes a lot of work in a 2v if you wanna do it naturally aspirated.
umm no it doesnt. People are running high 11s with stock heads, cams and standard bolt ons. You guys really need to get off the internet and learn about pony cars.

[lemons12]

Of course you can skew the numbers by using all high numbers. 300 for pullies?? come on now.

umm no it doesnt. People are running high 11s with stock heads, cams and standard bolt ons. You guys really need to get off the internet and learn about pony cars.

there were quite a few things he went cheap on.. gears for 200... and you stil got to get them installed.. 600 for slicks and skinnies, with rims it would be more like 800..

AAR lightweight radiator support $200
Pulleys $300
Short belt $50
Shorty headers $350
off road x pipe $200
OEM clutch $0? unless replaced
Aluminum flywheel $250
Weld 15" wheels $500
1 piece steel driveshaft $250
Front and rear lower control arms $150
Roush springs (modified by AAR) $250
Stock original shocks and struts
Line loc $100
Short throw shifter $150
2 step launch control ? no clue
Cold air intake (Modular Depot) $300
SCT x-cal2 tuned by AAR $200
IMRC eliminator plates (not port matched) $250
4:56 gears $200
GT 500 throttle body $300
AAR lightweight rear brake assembly $250
Light weight front brake assembly $250
Slicks and skinnies $600
Battery in stock location (Not OEM battery) $100
3200 pounds with driver
1 Kirkey seat $150

[lemons12]

umm no it doesnt. People are running high 11s with stock heads, cams and standard bolt ons. You guys really need to get off the internet and learn about pony cars.

with track cars.. major weight reduction, low gears, and huge stalls.. most people that DD it takes a lot to get outta the 12s..

standard bolt on ls1s arent hitting 11s dude.. come on

[Cayenne97]

umm no it doesnt. People are running high 11s with stock heads, cams and standard bolt ons. You guys really need to get off the internet and learn about pony cars.

Please show me proof of a 2-valve with stock heads/cams running in the 11's? :umm: U are out of your mind, no pun intended. Never in a million years my friend. :rotfl:

[lemons12]

Please show me proof of a 2-valve with stock heads/cams running in the 11's? :umm: U are out of your mind, no pun intended. Never in a million years my friend. :rotfl:

it is possible, i have seen it.. but these are not street driven cars by any means

[Cayenne97]

it is possible, i have seen it.. but these are not street driven cars by any means

Okay there's two people. I still wan't to 'see' proof (i.e. write up, video) of a two-valve going 11's bolt-on only in a 99-04 body. The 11-second N/A cars i've seen over the years have all had full mods...meaning everything touched, including suspension, tires and weight reduction. I'm hard pressed to believe 11's with just bolt-ons. For example, the fastest naturally-aspirated 2v GT wen't 11's with h/c/i.

[karpetcm]

Ive been off the internet and been to many drag race events, 99-04 GT's with standard bolt on's will not hit 11's at all not even close. If you consider nitrous a bolt on and juicing alot, motor wont last with really good suspension along with tires and gears, MAYBE. When i say nitrous you can guess it wont be 100 shot. Not to put down the mustang but a car that pushes about 220-230 rwhp with LT's headers, no cats, exhuast, intake and tune they push about 250-260 rwhp tops, with about 150 shot of nitrous which should put them about 380 whp give or take depending on tune and other factors with really good tires and good gearing and a great driver you might hit 11's but its all a guess and from what i know for a fact regular bolt on mustangs do not hit 11's. To go 11's is not just having power its a combinations of many things, cant just dump a bunch of power in a car and not do suspension work amoung other things to get you there. I dont mean no disrespect but i know what ive seen and although there not slow cars its alot of time, money and effort going 11's for those cars.

[lemons12]

Okay there's two people. I still wan't to 'see' proof (i.e. write up, video) of a two-valve going 11's bolt-on only in a 99-04 body. The 11-second N/A cars i've seen over the years have all had full mods...meaning everything touched, including suspension, tires and weight reduction. I'm hard pressed to believe 11's with just bolt-ons. For example, the fastest naturally-aspirated 2v GT wen't 11's with h/c/i.

ill try to find it... the one i saw was red.. and yea he had drag lites and stuff.. and weight reduction.. suspension also..


just like most all bolt on cars that hold a record on here have.. whats the difference?

[Johns00Z28]

I think an 11 sec NA GT between the years of 96-04 is more of a rarity than the norm. http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/events/mmfp_0508_ford_mustang_na_two_valve_shootout/index.html

[Cayenne97]

I think an 11 sec NA GT between the years of 96-04 is more of a rarity than the norm. http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/events/mmfp_0508_ford_mustang_na_two_valve_shootout/index.html

An Extreeeem rarity!

[lemons12]

I think an 11 sec NA GT between the years of 96-04 is more of a rarity than the norm. http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/events/mmfp_0508_ford_mustang_na_two_valve_shootout/index.html

it most DEFINITELY is NOT the norm, and is rarer than rare.. but it has happened..

bolt on fbodies are in the 10s..

why cant gts be in the 11s?

[Cayenne97]

it most DEFINITELY is NOT the norm, and is rarer than rare.. but it has happened..

bolt on fbodies are in the 10s..

why cant gts be in the 11s?

Because the GT is a totally different animal. 4.6 Two-valves do not respond well to bolt-ons, which is typical for a small displacement engine. True it takes more than just horsepower. Suspension, drivetrain, weight reduction etc. play a part. But those motors just aren't stout enough to get the job done. From my experience with these engines, the examples you see in the attached MM&FF article is what it really takes to run 11's N/A.

[lemons12]

Because the GT is a totally different animal. 4.6 Two-valves do not respond well to bolt-ons, which is typical for a small displacement engine. True it takes more than just horsepower. Suspension, drivetrain, weight reduction etc. play a part. But those motors just aren't stout enough to get the job done. From my experience with these engines, the examples you see in the attached MM&FF article is what it really takes to run 11's N/A.

look at the race weight though.. most are in 3300lb range... im talking car in the 2600ish lb range... cars made for the strip, not street... thats where i think you misunderstood me.. HELL no i full weight one couldnt do it..

[Cayenne97]

look at the race weight though.. most are in 3300lb range... im talking car in the 2600ish lb range... cars made for the strip, not street... thats where i think you misunderstood me.. HELL no i full weight one couldnt do it..

Those weights listed in the article are with the driver! The 1st place winners car weighed in at 3000lbs. with him in it, and lets be honest, he looks like a pretty beefy guy! That's more like a 27xxlb. car without the driver. Those cars are gutted to say the least.

[lemons12]

Those weights listed in the article are with the driver! The 1st place winners car weighed in at 3000lbs. with him in it, and lets be honest, he looks like a pretty beefy guy! That's more like a 27xxlb. car without the driver. Those cars are gutted to say the least.

are you serious... thats with the drive!?!?!?!?!:squint:


im not an idiot or a noob man...


do you have any idea what mustangs weigh? and how lite you can make them? without being gutted..

[Cayenne97]

are you serious... thats with the drive!?!?!?!?!:squint:


im not an idiot or a noob man...


do you have any idea what mustangs weigh? and how lite you can make them? without being gutted..

No seriously, go back to the link and open it if you don't believe me. It reads: "Weight with Driver". It weighs 3000lbs with him in it. That's a 27xxlb. car with nobody sitting in the drivers seat. And remember, these aren't fox bodies. They don't get as light!

[lemons12]

No seriously, go back to the link and open it if you don't believe me. It reads: "Weight with Driver". It weighs 3000lbs with him in it. That's a 27xxlb. car with nobody sitting in the drivers seat. And remember, these aren't fox bodies. They're not as light.

man, i was being sarcastic.. i know what the cars weighed...

i know they arent fox bodies.....

i know they arent as light.....


you are insulting me..

[Cayenne97]

man, i was being sarcastic.. i know what the cars weighed...

i know they arent fox bodies.....

i know they arent as light.....


you are insulting me..

HAHAHAHAHA! Your kidding right?

[lemons12]

HAHAHAHAHA! Your kidding right?

no i am not, you are acting like i am VERY unintelligent and/or ignorant..

[Cayenne97]

no i am not, you are acting like i am VERY unintelligent and/or ignorant..

My bad man, didn't mean to insult you. I thought we were just talkin' Mustangs that's all. Nothing personal.

[lemons12]

My bad man, didn't mean to insult you. I thought we were just talkin' Mustangs that's all. Nothing personal.

its cool, was just getting tired of hearing things i already knew... very simple things..


honestly i could care less what a bolt on GT runs.. hahaha, dont think i have to worry about it..

:rotfl:

[Johns00Z28]

Yeah the cars were pretty lightweight and they also had ported heads and aftermarket cams as well, which I think goes beyond the scope of "bolt-on." I was trying to illustrate that even w/ heads n cams it's still difficult to get one into the 11's.

[BLKCLOUD]

11 sec internally stock 2V - No power adders (http://forums.modulardepot.com/showthread.php?t=92795)

[Cayenne97]

11 sec internally stock 2V - No power adders (http://forums.modulardepot.com/showthread.php?t=92795)

Cool. I wonder what mods he had. Or if there was ever a video?

[BLKCLOUD]

If you wonder what his mods are enough to search that site, you'll find plenty of info.

Don't know if there is a video. I have known and raced with Ian Mullane for ~10 years - I'm quite comfortable that everything you'll find about him and that car is straight up.

[Johns00Z28]

So how is it that guys w/ ported heads, aftermarket cams, full bolts on, gears, suspension and stripping the car down big time still couldn't manage to run 11's?

[JwMonE99]

So how is it that guys w/ ported heads, aftermarket cams, full bolts on, gears, suspension and stripping the car down big time still couldn't manage to run 11's?

Needs a driver mod?

[JwMonE99]

Wait has anyone taking acount that the 2V 4.6s are also set at a lower compression?
Get some forged flat top pistons and bring up the compression with some bolt and a H/C/I setup and I think 11s might just be possible with a good driver and radials. Maybe gears too.

[BLKCLOUD]

So how is it that guys w/ ported heads, aftermarket cams, full bolts on, gears, suspension and stripping the car down big time still couldn't manage to run 11's?

Do you do much drag racing?

[Johns00Z28]

Do you do much drag racing?

What does my drag racing have to do with the question posed?

[BLKCLOUD]

Everything.

Enough said.

[Johns00Z28]

Everything.

Enough said.

Absolutely nothing actually. Now let's get back on topic.

[big hammer]

yes yeah

[Cayenne97]

Everything.

Enough said.

WTF is this guy talking about???

I'm lost.

[BLKCLOUD]

Absolutely nothing actually. Now let's get back on topic.

My post was in direct response to your question (ie..."So how is it that guys w/ ported heads, aftermarket cams, full bolts on, gears, suspension and stripping the car down big time still couldn't manage to run 11's?"), which obviously referenced drag racing, and thus was just as obviously "on topic" - assuming that your post was also "on topic".

I'm sorry that you can't see the relevance. Ditto with your buddy that is lost.

But I will ask again: Do you do much drag racing?

[Cayenne97]

My post was in direct response to your question (ie..."So how is it that guys w/ ported heads, aftermarket cams, full bolts on, gears, suspension and stripping the car down big time still couldn't manage to run 11's?"), which obviously referenced drag racing, and thus was just as obviously "on topic" - assuming that your post was also "on topic".

I'm sorry that you can't see the relevance. Ditto with your buddy that is lost.

But I will ask again: Do you do much drag racing?

Lots of big words. Still no relevancy.

[BLKCLOUD]

Twas a simple question - not even directed at you.

[lemons12]

So how is it that guys w/ ported heads, aftermarket cams, full bolts on, gears, suspension and stripping the car down big time still couldn't manage to run 11's?

to answer your question....


its the same reason that some H/C ls1 guys cant get in the 11s and some bolt on cars are there... it doesnt matter what someone else runs, it matters what you run... well thought setup run VERY good, not so well thought up setups, dont.


the reason he asked if you go to the track much... or whatever he said.. is because if you did you would not base of what other people do, but what that car did... ANYTHING can happen...

hope that cleared it up man..

[karpetcm]

One example was a few years back when i had my 01 SS 6speed i took it out to LACR, on one of the runs i went up against this vette. I cant prove nor comfirm what the owner said but he said he was pulling 700hp, i told him i cant wait to see your car run down the track. Either way he ended up next to me when i was running my car. I pulled out ahead of him by 3 car lenghts i look at my drivers side mirror and all i see is smoke and the last few feet of the track he passed me soo fast i thought for a minute i hit the brakes. He probably ran .1 faster then me and easily 20-25 mph faster then me but thats what i can tell. As said above anything can happen, you have to have a good set up as well suspension, tires and driver mod always helps.

[Cayenne97]

to answer your question....
its the same reason that some H/C ls1 guys cant get in the 11s and some bolt on cars are there... it doesnt matter what someone else runs, it matters what you run... well thought setup run VERY good, not so well thought up setups, dont.

Remember bolt-on LS1's are infact in the 11's, but at raceweights around 2900-3100lbs dry, which is exceptionally light for our cars. It doesn't take any sort of diet to get a "mild" heads cam LS1 into the 11's. Unlike those GT's that are weighing in around 3k w/ the driver. So that's really not a good comparison. I understand the OP's question 100%! Why would a dozen or more guys average high 11's to mid 12's with bolt-ons, heads and cams GT's? Shows how poorly those motors respond to mods - that's all.


the reason he asked if you go to the track much... or whatever he said.. is because if you did you would not base of what other people do, but what that car did... ANYTHING can happen...

hope that cleared it up man..

Yeah sure. I'm fixta take a intake/exhaust only LS1 M6 into the 10's! Anything can happen right? :lmao:

[Johns00Z28]

to answer your question....


its the same reason that some H/C ls1 guys cant get in the 11s and some bolt on cars are there... it doesnt matter what someone else runs, it matters what you run... well thought setup run VERY good, not so well thought up setups, dont.


the reason he asked if you go to the track much... or whatever he said.. is because if you did you would not base of what other people do, but what that car did... ANYTHING can happen...

hope that cleared it up man..

I have no idea what type of drivers those guys were but I'm guessing they must be at least average, or benefit of the doubt, maybe even better than average. Those guys had complete drag suspensions as well as drag rims/tires so it wasn't like they just threw in heads n cams and just spun their way down the track w/ a street setup.

[Cayenne97]

I have no idea what type of drivers those guys were but I'm guessing they must be at least average, or benefit of the doubt, maybe even better than average. Those guys had complete drag suspensions as well as drag rims/tires so it wasn't like they just threw in heads n cams and just spun their way down the track w/ a street setup.

I agree! :yup:

[lemons12]

Remember bolt-on LS1's are infact in the 11's, but at raceweights around 2900-3100lbs dry, which is exceptionally light for our cars. It doesn't take any sort of diet to get a "mild" heads cam LS1 into the 11's. Unlike those GT's that are weighing in around 3k w/ the driver. So that's really not a good comparison. I understand the OP's question 100%! Why would a dozen or more guys average high 11's to mid 12's with bolt-ons, heads and cams GT's? Shows how poorly those motors respond to mods - that's all.

Yeah sure. I'm fixta take a intake/exhaust only LS1 M6 into the 10's! Anything can happen right? :lmao:

i know this.. if i know the times dont you think i would know the weights.. doesnt matter what they weigh, or what suspension/tire they have.. no internal work.. just boltons.. is bolt ons.. period.

within reason... if you havnt figured that out by now then you havnt learned very much.... this "385" hp ls1 should be able to beat you unless it has a 75 shot on it right.... hahahahahhahaha ok....


I have no idea what type of drivers those guys were but I'm guessing they must be at least average, or benefit of the doubt, maybe even better than average. Those guys had complete drag suspensions as well as drag rims/tires so it wasn't like they just threw in heads n cams and just spun their way down the track w/ a street setup.

or maybe not....? there are people all over this site with setups that should be running a full second faster, but they arent.... that means someone else with less mods can beat them by a whole lot.... was just trying to help you out instead of making fun of you....... sorry....... :think:

[Johns00Z28]

or maybe not....? there are people all over this site with setups that should be running a full second faster, but they arent.... that means someone else with less mods can beat them by a whole lot.... was just trying to help you out instead of making fun of you....... sorry....... :think:

I'm well aware that the better driver can account for a lot. It just seems like you're assuming those guy are horrible drivers and maybe they are but then why get yourself exposed in a huge magazine like that only to show that you're one of the worst drivers on the planet? I know I wouldn't want that kind of exposure if I couldn't drive and I'm doubting they would either.

[Cayenne97]

i know this.. if i know the times dont you think i would know the weights.. doesnt matter what they weigh, or what suspension/tire they have.. no internal work.. just boltons.. is bolt ons.. period.

within reason... if you havnt figured that out by now then you havnt learned very much.... this "385" hp ls1 should be able to beat you unless it has a 75 shot on it right.... hahahahahhahaha ok....

Oh lets not get back on that. Everyone knows your car isn't as fast as you say it is Lemons. :sulk:


or maybe not....? there are people all over this site with setups that should be running a full second faster, but they arent.... that means someone else with less mods can beat them by a whole lot.... was just trying to help you out instead of making fun of you....... sorry....... :think:

True. But i'd bet if you put 10 guys here in a single shootout not ALL of them are going to be a full second behind, apparently like these guys were. I very rarely call B.S. but I would of love to see a track vid of that "Bolt-on" 11-second 2-valve, or atleast a timeslip posted with the thread which is what most people do when they accomplish something 'bizzare'. Before now, I had never heard of that car.

[lemons12]

Oh lets not get back on that. Everyone knows your car isn't as fast as you say it is Lemons. :sulk:



True. But i'd bet if you put 10 guys here in a single shootout not ALL of them are going to be a full second behind, apparently like these guys were. I very rarely call B.S. but I would of love to see a track vid of that "Bolt-on" 11-second 2-valve, or atleast a timeslip posted with the thread which is what most people do when they accomplish something 'bizzare'. Before now, I had never heard of that car.

no, you just dont think it is as fast as it is.. there are PLENTY of people on this board and on ls1tech that have seen my car run and know EXACTLY what my car runs buddy.......... why dont you come find out how slow it is?

i have showed you my proof.... your just an idiot...

i have seen a vid... just cant find it... its a red mustang... at night, at a track...

[big hammer]

in the end it's all still the same. 2v's suck.

[JwMonE99]

Down here there is a guy with a Blue 01 Gt.
He has all the K&N intake, MAC Long tube headers, 2.5 inch H pipe with flow masters. 4.30 or 4.10 gears. Throttle body. TKO tranny. Tune. DRIVER MOD And Slicks runs low 12s all day...
Maybe some weight reduction and A/C delete. I am not sure.

[Cayenne97]

Down here there is a guy with a Blue 01 Gt.
He has all the K&N intake, MAC Long tube headers, 2.5 inch H pipe with flow masters. 4.30 or 4.10 gears. Throttle body. TKO tranny. Tune. DRIVER MOD And Slicks runs low 12s all day...
Maybe some weight reduction and A/C delete... and heads, cams, ported intake, blah blah blah.

Fixed. :)

[JwMonE99]

Nope.
But then again he is running with slicks and hes a really good driver. He has really low gears, beefed tranny.