stock LS1 vs. Stock lighting & srt-4, charger

[Musclefan21]

hi guys,

l wonder how those races would be?

who would beat who and how many lengths?

just some informations about these races..

thanks

[tomf301]

All I know is the stock Neon SRT 4 is faster than a Nissan 350 Z 0-60

[02z28ls1]

You would be better off asking this in the "racing "forums

[99blueZ]

The cars are all very close in speed. There are a lot of variables. Is the LS1 auto or stick? What year? What car? F-Body, Vette, GTO?

But i would say that the LS1 should win them all. :yup:

LS1 vs. SRT-4: The SRT-4 has front wheel drive and a turbo so it will probably get you off the line and you will need to play a little catch up, but not for long. Newer ones have 230hp vs 215 in the older ones.

LS1 vs. Lightening: Depends on the year - '01 and up have 380hp the older ones 360hp. Very fast truck. Will be the closest race. Lightenings get slower up top due to areodynamics.

LS1 vs. Charger: What kind of charger? There are many versions. Assuming you mean a charger with the 5.7 hemi - the LS1 will win easily. The 5.7 has 340hp but is so heavy. But if its an SRT-8 version you will probably lose. Those have 425hp and haul ass.

[Musclefan21]

l meant 98-02 t/a or camaro against those cars.. doesnt matter auto or stick..

l know srt-4 has the same ET as LT1s. so LS1s will murder them l guess..

about charger, yeah those 425 horses cars..

lightning l have heard that stock for stock LS1 will kill..

l just wanted to hear from you guys actually..

thanks..

[99blueZ]

so yea if its the 425hp charger then it will beat a stock LS1

[Zboner]

against me at the track one day i was beating them by bus lengths when they were all running there 14.5's all day long

[getheadallthetime]

I raced a stage 2 str4 and ripped it a new one by about 5 cars and still pulling untill about 95 mph.........all I have done is a exhaust......not even a 3 inch just a chamber exhaust.......flowmaster it even has the stock tips on it.......Also I have race a hemi 5.7 dodge charger on the freewway "NO COMPETITION" not even close................it hung around for about a second and I started pulling big time.........

[smurf69]

my buddy has an srt-4 and all he has done was raise the boost on the turbo and at the time i was all stock and i took him by 4 cars on 3 different trys. we did a dead stop and a 15 roll and finally a 30 roll, so he could get his boost up but it didnt matter

i havent gone up against an srt8 but the hemi ain shit, i took that out about as bad as the srt4.

[95TA383]

Trans am or camaro with an ls1 will beat the lightning or srt 4....that is if its stock!

[Musclefan21]

so what are those Hemi chargers runs at the track? wihich kind of mods do we need to have to pull on those hemi chargers?

[95TA383]

Well are you talking about the charger r/t hemi cause that runs about 14.3 in the 1/4 if you are talking about the charger srt-8 hemi it is still a 4000lb plus car but should run in the upper 13's .....I think a trans am or camaro with stick stock will run it. Thats my thought.

[Ratdaddy07]

The SRT8 only runs a 13.6 although very consistantly due to great traction but if you can't beat that in ANY LS1 you need either tires, to check your motor or trani or driving lessons.

[Bob'sWS6]

The cars are all very close in speed. There are a lot of variables. Is the LS1 auto or stick? What year? What car? F-Body, Vette, GTO?

But i would say that the LS1 should win them all. :yup:

LS1 vs. SRT-4: The SRT-4 has front wheel drive and a turbo so it will probably get you off the line and you will need to play a little catch up, but not for long. Newer ones have 230hp vs 215 in the older ones.

LS1 vs. Lightening: Depends on the year - '01 and up have 380hp the older ones 360hp. Very fast truck. Will be the closest race. Lightenings get slower up top due to areodynamics.

LS1 vs. Charger: What kind of charger? There are many versions. Assuming you mean a charger with the 5.7 hemi - the LS1 will win easily. The 5.7 has 340hp but is so heavy. But if its an SRT-8 version you will probably lose. Those have 425hp and haul ass.

I don't see how being front wheel drive and turbo has an advantage over a naturally aspirated V8 rear wheel drive car. I blew one away outta the hole really bad, but have admittedly only raced one.

Author, SRT-4's are nothing to be concerned about if they are stock. They are just a little faster then a 350Z. Lightnings have trouble getting off the line unless they are on slicks or a good set of drag radials. They have very little top end as well. The charger is more or less a joke. They only dyno around 260whp, and they weigh close to two tons.

I'm not being biased, it's just that you didn't mention any really real threats stock for stock.

Now a Mach 1 or a 03 Cobra would be a different story.

[89redrs]

I don't see how being front wheel drive and turbo has an advantage over a naturally aspirated V8 rear wheel drive car. I blew one away outta the hole really bad, but have admittedly only raced one.

Author, SRT-4's are nothing to be concerned about if they are stock. They are just a little faster then a 350Z. Lightnings have trouble getting off the line unless they are on slicks or a good set of drag radials. They have very little top end as well. The charger is more or less a joke. They only dyno around 260whp, and they weigh close to two tons.

I'm not being biased, it's just that you didn't mention any really real threats stock for stock.

Now a Mach 1 or a 03 Cobra would be a different story.
stock for stock with either car is no comparison, those are 2 of the fastsest! The Mach is questionable, but it would be up to the drivers! But the cobra, stock for stock is alot faster:yup:

[Mach1Mustang]

mach 1 vs the ls1 is a drivers race.
stock for stock the ls1 will pull a bit harder top end though.
however the mach will pull a bit harder down low.

[MarkuzLS1]

LS1 vs. SRT-4: The SRT-4 has front wheel drive and a turbo so it will probably get you off the line and you will need to play a little catch up, but not for long. Newer ones have 230hp vs 215 in the older ones.
My nearly stock '02 WS6 devestated my buddy's SRT-4 out of the hole. I gave him nearly a half second head start off the tree, but made it all back up in the first sixty feet (SRT4: 2.4 60'; ME: 2.0 60'). I just kept on pulling after that. Ran an 8.7 to his 9.4 (or so). Bottom line: Stock LS1 cars can whup up on SRT4s.

[Musclefan21]

l wasnt even comparing srt-4s and LS1s.. l just wanted to know how bad LS1 would kill those..

also how is this possible, FWD>RWD??? WTF?!!? anyway..

l also meant 425HP chargers.. not those 260HP ones.

ALSO SRT-4s ARE NOT A LITTLE FASTER THAN 350Zs. THEY RUN THE SAME TIMES.. high 13s low 14s.. GENERALLY low 14s.

[Ratdaddy07]

Have you guys run these cars? Seen times at the track? 03 cobras bone stock on street tires run 13.2 when and only when the driver can stop the wheel hop from the independent rear suspension. I was whoopin that in my 01 TA not only stock but with undersized and CRAPPy Kumho tires. Those times may be a little lower in areas where cool temps,high pressure and dry air are more easily found but the point is the same.

[89redrs]

Have you guys run these cars? Seen times at the track? 03 cobras bone stock on street tires run 13.2 when and only when the driver can stop the wheel hop from the independent rear suspension. I was whoopin that in my 01 TA not only stock but with undersized and CRAPPy Kumho tires. Those times may be a little lower in areas where cool temps,high pressure and dry air are more easily found but the point is the same.
Thats it, only a 13.2??? Thats slow, a few stock cobras here are running 12s easily, and that is in Texas

[Ratdaddy07]

Yeah, I know I looked to see where everyone was from and most are from the south. But yeah 13.2 is the best I've seen, I'm not saying I've seen a ton and maybe when I did conditions were not the greatest but it makes me wonder if our tracks are up to par. Everyone here thinks Donaldsonville is great and they do hold rather large events there from time to time, driver makes a big difference and those cars have problems hooking up.

[Bob'sWS6]

Thats it, only a 13.2??? Thats slow, a few stock cobras here are running 12s easily, and that is in Texas

I see a mixed bag with 03/04 Cobras. Those cars run like s*#t in the heat. I've seen them run 13's and 14's bone stock at Speedway. Part of that may be due to driver error, but I think anyone can agree that heat really effects their performance. I don't think anyone will question their ability to run 12's, it just has to be in good conditions.

Doodad I was referring to the Charger's wheel horsepower. They only put down around 260whp, which translates to around 300 flywheel horsepower. An SRT-8 is a different story, as they are heavily underrated horsepower wise (Dyno around 360whp). The SRT-8 will most likely beat an LS1 powered car stock for stock. A few of them have dipped into the 12's, and they all are capable of low 13's stock. The good thing about them is that they are automatic, which makes them near dummy proof.

[Mr. Luos]

The only one of those cars I came close to loosing against was the SRT-4. And it was modded.

This was when I was bolt-ons only.
Damn turbos and altitude. :lol:

[89redrs]

I see a mixed bag with 03/04 Cobras. Those cars run like s*#t in the heat. I've seen them run 13's and 14's bone stock at Speedway. Part of that may be due to driver error, but I think anyone can agree that heat really effects their performance. I don't think anyone will question their ability to run 12's, it just has to be in good conditions.

Doodad I was referring to the Charger's wheel horsepower. They only put down around 260whp, which translates to around 300 flywheel horsepower. An SRT-8 is a different story, as they are heavily underrated horsepower wise (Dyno around 360whp). The SRT-8 will most likely beat an LS1 powered car stock for stock. A few of them have dipped into the 12's, and they all are capable of low 13's stock. The good thing about them is that they are automatic, which makes them near dummy proof.
At the last dyno day we had at the shop I usually go to for parts, they had a brand new still stickerde srt8 and it layed down 377hp and 385 trq. and my buddys bone ass stock Cobra put down 360!! but the cobra eats it everytime, the srt8 is a force to be recond(sp) with on the highway though!! I was going to do an LSX swap in my 89, but seems it will cost way to much!! So 350 here I come!!!

[Mach1Mustang]

if an 03/04 cobra runs a 14 then the driver should be forced to pay with his life. They cant drive, i dont care if it was hot outside, those are 12s cars stock. with a good driver they can be mid 12s. Just like an ls1 running 14s. the driver should be shot!!!!!!!

[89redrs]

if an 03/04 cobra runs a 14 then the driver should be forced to pay with his life. They cant drive, i dont care if it was hot outside, those are 12s cars stock. with a good driver they can be mid 12s. Just like an ls1 running 14s. the driver should be shot!!!!!!!
WORD!! My cousins Boltons, stall, and cam, on stock heads ran 11.30s with ease and consistentcy!!

[cailey37]

if an 03/04 cobra runs a 14 then the driver should be forced to pay with his life. They cant drive, i dont care if it was hot outside, those are 12s cars stock. with a good driver they can be mid 12s. Just like an ls1 running 14s. the driver should be shot!!!!!!!

Here are the times on the Cobras you mentioned...these were professional drivers ......
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9

[nathan sluss]

I was talking to a neighbor that is very straight-up.... he went 12.30's with drag radials in his 03 Cobra.... so he quit trying. He is an old guy that dosn't want to hurt his ride. I kinda don't blame him. We are in OH with a low elevation and that was early in the year with cool temps but still gd.

[AKIRA]

LS1 vs. SRT-4: The SRT-4 has front wheel drive and a turbo so it will probably get you off the line and you will need to play a little catch up, but not for long. Newer ones have 230hp vs 215 in the older ones.



:wtf:

First off, FWD are the worst cars for traction from a stop.
Secondly, turbos need to spool, which means they hardly have shit from a stop.

[bones srt-4]

:wtf:

First off, FWD are the worst cars for traction from a stop.
Secondly, turbos need to spool, which means they hardly have shit from a stop.

yea ,fwd sucks for traction. but only the big turbos need to spool up ,the little one in my srt boosts pretty quick.

[Musclefan21]

after getting into drag racing, now i know 05+ stangs vs. srt-4s is not drivers race.. i can beat any stock srt-4s with no problem:)

and i can give a good run to LS1s and lightnings (stock) :yup:

[bones srt-4]

the best i ever did when my srt was stock was a 14.2 @ 99 . we had a 06 mustang gt at the track this w/e he ran 13.99 @100.

[Pythias]

Here are the times on the Cobras you mentioned...these were professional drivers ......
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9

So that means that stock for stock none can increase those times? :ughlaugh: All of those online 1/4 times are usually mroe than likely off. I have looked up many diff sites, some cars asre faster than what they say, some are slower. A friend of mine in Ohio (where I used to live) had an 03' Cobra, did full exhaust, diff pulley, a few other little odds and ends and a tune all totally around 1200. He ran it with a crappy ass 60' and ran a 12.1. Needless to say with some nice tires it was into the 11's. Stock he ran a best of 12.6 STOCK those cars are 12.5-12.9 range, if you can drive.

[Musclefan21]

the best i ever did when my srt was stock was a 14.2 @ 99 . we had a 06 mustang gt at the track this w/e he ran 13.99 @100.

My best with my stone stock to air filter 06 stang GT is 13.43 @ 102.38mph and i have been doing consistent 13.6 runs. and my i have done 3 times 1.9 60'

here is a video of me cutting 1.93 60' and against stage 2 modded srt-4. i was on him untill i missed 4th gear and he came right next to me and we finished dead even. ( i ran 13.6 @93mph on that run)

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/5138752f-ef77-4178-9570-98450042d3ff.htm

[Musclefan21]

So that means that stock for stock none can increase those times? :ughlaugh: All of those online 1/4 times are usually mroe than likely off. I have looked up many diff sites, some cars asre faster than what they say, some are slower. A friend of mine in Ohio (where I used to live) had an 03' Cobra, did full exhaust, diff pulley, a few other little odds and ends and a tune all totally around 1200. He ran it with a crappy ass 60' and ran a 12.1. Needless to say with some nice tires it was into the 11's. Stock he ran a best of 12.6 STOCK those cars are 12.5-12.9 range, if you can drive.


ford says 05+ stang GTs are 13.5 and i ran 13.4 :yup:

[kenny]

Ls1 Camaro Will Beat All Them