99 Z28 vs. 03-04 Mach 1

[Roastem]

This guy named Jimmy I went to high school with owns a red mach 1 now, and I had been trying to get him to race me for a couple months now. I was cruising through town Sunday afternoon, and he was heading out on a four lane road, so I pulled up beside him about 40 mph, he looks at me, then punches it. I do the same, and by the top of third I had two car lengths on him, I shifted it to fourth and he continued to lose ground. I let off about 100 or so, and he was more than a bus length back. LEFT HIS ASS. I thought those mach 1's ran harder than that?

It was stock though, vs. a modified LS1. Altogether, an UNSATISFYING KILL. Need to race one with a supercharger, especially since the TSP PRC LS6 heads should be arriving any day now to complement the cam!

[ss~zoso~ss]

you should have killed him more with your mods, what are his mods actually?

[Roastem]

you should have killed him more with your mods, what are his mods actually?

I don't think he has anything done to it. I let off midway through fourth gear, and had a bus length AT LEAST on him. Didn't see the point in punishing him more than necessary.

[Jason05GTO]

Im thinkin dude didnt know how to drive. I had a Mach and it was a hard car to beat, I got my ass handed to me by a Cobra (understandably), but it should have been closer than that.

[Wesman]

Mach 1's are actually pretty damn close to LS1 F-Bodys in terms of performance. I'd still give the edge to the LS1, but it should be close.

Obviously the author has mods, so that tilts the tables a lot ;)

[Deuuuce]

Would the 4:10 gears have a detrimental effect in 4th gear?

[Mach1Mustang]

Machs dyno stock around 275-285. You have 375 at the wheels, i hope that you killed him! About the same a stock ls1. I will run you if you would like, we a re kinda close(in location), you will win with more power, i only dynoed at 316 hp and 340 ftlbs! I out run my buddies ta with simular mods to mine at the track. We have yet to do it from a roll though. Oh and when you get the heads and cam i will hopefully have a 100 or 125 shot of nitrous!

[Mach1Mustang]

Oh, i forgot to say good kill, no matter the mods on a car, a kill is still a kill!!!!

[Roastem]

Machs dyno stock around 275-285. You have 375 at the wheels, i hope that you killed him! About the same a stock ls1. I will run you if you would like, we a re kinda close(in location), you will win with more power, i only dynoed at 316 hp and 340 ftlbs! I out run my buddies ta with simular mods to mine at the track. We have yet to do it from a roll though. Oh and when you get the heads and cam i will hopefully have a 100 or 125 shot of nitrous!

Let's line 'em up! It is about time I got to run somebody from this site. With all the kills I was racking up, I was hoping one had been to this website before. We can run 'em as is or we can wait till I get my heads put on and you get the nitrous hooked up. Should be a good one either way!

[Roastem]

Would the 4:10 gears have a detrimental effect in 4th gear?

Gears make a big difference. BIG. Not detrimental, more like SUPPLEMENTAL.

[Roastem]

Im thinkin dude didnt know how to drive. I had a Mach and it was a hard car to beat, I got my ass handed to me by a Cobra (understandably), but it should have been closer than that.

I got a 100 more WHEEL HP, and it is lighter, with gears? :thinkin: That guy has always owned hot rod Mustangs since we were in high school. He had a Fox body Saleen for a while. That was a nice ride.

Maybe he let off on it when he saw it was useless to continue? :dunno:

[Jason05GTO]

I got a 100 more WHEEL HP, and it is lighter, with gears? :thinkin: That guy has always owned hot rod Mustangs since we were in high school. He had a Fox body Saleen for a while. That was a nice ride.

Maybe he let off on it when he saw it was useless to continue? :dunno:

I didnt see you had that much more juice than he did, ok its understandable!
The Cobra I raced had 480 to the rear wheels and it was like I was sitting still when he took off.

[Roastem]

I didnt see you had that much more juice than he did, ok its understandable!
The Cobra I raced had 480 to the rear wheels and it was like I was sitting still when he took off.

Was it an 03 Cobra?

[Jason05GTO]

Was it an 03 Cobra?

Yep, pretty black one. He had a smaller pulley, intake/exhaust, and a custom tune. I talked to him after he smoked me.

[Roastem]

Yep, pretty black one. He had a smaller pulley, intake/exhaust, and a custom tune. I talked to him after he smoked me.

Did he have pillar gauges by any chance, and satin wheels? White guy, about 5'6 or 5'8?

If so, I ran that dude. He had a Steigmeyer ported eaton, pulley, and exhaust. He f*cked his clutch up in third though, so I keep pulling on through the lights.

You need a cam and full exhaust ASAP. Gears would be nice also, something tells me those GTO's need nothing less than 4.10's, if you got a stick. You will have something for his ass next time.

[Mach1Mustang]

I am thinking of compeating in a Karate Tournament up that way sometime next month, maybe we can meet up if i decided to compete.
Like i said, you should beat me, but it will be fun!

[Roastem]

I am thinking of compeating in a Karate Tournament up that way sometime next month, maybe we can meet up if i decided to compete.
Like i said, you should beat me, but it will be fun!

This month, or July? I usually check in to LS1.com every day during the week, so if you decide to come this way, drop me a line a week before and we will set something up. I am itching to run a well modified Mach1.

[Jason05GTO]

Did he have pillar gauges by any chance, and satin wheels? White guy, about 5'6 or 5'8?

If so, I ran that dude. He had a Steigmeyer ported eaton, pulley, and exhaust. He f*cked his clutch up in third though, so I keep pulling on through the lights.

You need a cam and full exhaust ASAP. Gears would be nice also, something tells me those GTO's need nothing less than 4.10's, if you got a stick. You will have something for his ass next time.

No, he was a taller black dude. But I have plans for my baby, just waitin on some funds!

[Roastem]

No, he was a taller black dude. But I have plans for my baby, just waitin on some funds!

Ain't we all! I ain't gonna lie, my car is a money pit too. It will be worth it everytime you drop the hammer though!
:drivin: <----they got that wrong, with 4.10's it is more like a short distance in first, and LOOOONG way in second, and a few feet in third, the first two need to be switched.

[rsuplita]

I didn't get a chance ever to race one in my 2000 SS (stock), but I ran one on the interstate from ~60mph in my 2005 C6 Z51 and all I could hear was his engine roar for as he downshifted and I left him like he was chained to the ground! LOL

[toneloc60]

I didn't get a chance ever to race one in my 2000 SS (stock), but I ran one on the interstate from ~60mph in my 2005 C6 Z51 and all I could hear was his engine roar for as he downshifted and I left him like he was chained to the ground! LOL
400 HP stock in a what, 2800 lb car? vs. 325 HP stock in a 3750 lb car.

:Ohno: :tired:

Still, a kill is a kill.

[rsuplita]

you are right, my friend.

i never claimed it was a fair match-up!

:slash:

[toneloc60]

I'd love to own a C6. Those cars are just pure sex on wheels.

[Roastem]

400 HP stock in a what, 2800 lb car? vs. 325 HP stock in a 3750 lb car.

:Ohno: :tired:

Still, a kill is a kill.

I think those new vettes are like 3100 to 3200 lb. The mach1s are about 3450 or so. Every lb counts though, the vette would need a fat ass passenger, and shut down a cylinder for it to be close with a mach1 driver being alone.

[robb4964]

Mach 1's are actually pretty damn close to LS1 F-Bodys in terms of performance. I'd still give the edge to the LS1, but it should be close.

Obviously the author has mods, so that tilts the tables a lot ;)

Stock for stock they are real close. Machs are worthy of respect.

Until you do one bolt on to your car. The gap grows FAST once you start modding.

[Angus66]

Until you do one bolt on to your car. The gap grows FAST once you start modding.

They make mods for Mach 1's too though.... :naughty: :burnout:

[Roastem]

They make mods for Mach 1's too though.... :naughty: :burnout:

I think he is talking about mod for mod. Like long tubes on an LS1 deliver more power than the same mod on a Mach1.

[Antz97ZNJ]

You have a full bolt on cam'd LS1 and your wondering why you left a stock mach..:dunno: ...In stock form they run pretty similar.

[Roastem]

You have a full bolt on cam'd LS1 and your wondering why you left a stock mach..:dunno: ...In stock form they run pretty similar.

No, I was wondering why he got took out so badly. I know they run hard. I had an 01 Cobra, and supposedly, stock for stock, the Mach1 is a hair faster than the 01. I figured I would have two or three car lengths, not more than a BUSLENGTH.

I think he might have let off when he saw it was useless to continue.

[Angus66]

No, I was wondering why he got took out so badly. I know they run hard. I had an 01 Cobra, and supposedly, stock for stock, the Mach1 is a hair faster than the 01.

I also had an '01 Cobra, and I can safely say that the Mach is more than a "hair" faster when driven correctly.

I figured I would have two or three car lengths, not more than a BUSLENGTH.

Race a properly-modded bolt-on Mach next time & the outcome will likely be very different... :yup:

[Roastem]

I also had an '01 Cobra, and I can safely say that the Mach is more than a "hair" faster when driven correctly.



Race a properly-modded bolt-on Mach next time & the outcome will likely be very different... :yup:

I have raced some "properly modded 03 Cobra's," and put the smack down on one, and was even with the other (and I ain't put the heads on yet). If you got a Mach1 that is properly modded in this area that wants a piece, then I will happily oblige. I would rather race you, but I ain't driving all the way to Pennsylvania.

Maybe you post on a Mustang website and can get some locals to run me. I will be more than happy to bust 'em for you. Hopefully, they will bring a video camera, and you can post the results on here, just so people don't think I am :bs: 'ing.

[Angus66]

I have raced some "properly modded 03 Cobra's," and put the smack down on one, and was even with the other (and I ain't put the heads on yet). If you got a Mach1 that is properly modded in this area that wants a piece, then I will happily oblige. I would rather race you, but I ain't driving all the way to Pennsylvania.

Maybe you post on a Mustang website and can get some locals to run me. I will be more than happy to bust 'em for you. Hopefully, they will bring a video camera, and you can post the results on here, just so people don't think I am :bs: 'ing.

I didn't say you were bs'ing, just that racing a non-stock Mach would be "different" than the race you posted... ;)

... my bolt-on Mach (no internal engine mods whatsoever) runs 7.3 - 7.4 @ 92 mph+ in the 1/8th & 11.5 - 11.6 @ 117 mph+ in the 1/4. :devil:

What does your SS run?

[Mach1Mustang]

Oh god, here we go again.
Also i will not be able to make that tourny next month so i will not be up there. Maybe we can meet at a dragstrip or something, or half way!!

[Roastem]

I didn't say you were bs'ing, just that racing a non-stock Mach would be "different" than the race you posted... ;)

... my bolt-on Mach (no internal engine mods whatsoever) runs 7.3 - 7.4 @ 92 mph+ in the 1/8th & 11.5 - 11.6 @ 117 mph+ in the 1/4. :devil:

What does your SS run?

Damn, nice numbers. I only got a time on it twice in its current form, and out of the two I got a best of 8.36 @ 89 mph with a somewhat bad 60 ft of 2.15, on STREET tires. I got a set of heads about to get planted on there, so we will see what it will run then with a set of slicks. Mid-11's with just bolt-ons on a Mach1 sounds a little far fetched. Must have had 4.56's gears and a full suspension mods also?:thinkin:

By the way, it is a Z28, not an SS.

[Angus66]

Damn, nice numbers.

Thanks.

I only got a time on it twice in its current form, and out of the two I got a best of 8.36 @ 89 mph with a somewhat bad 60 ft of 2.15, on STREET tires. I got a set of heads about to get planted on there, so we will see what it will run then with a set of slicks.

Not too shabby...

Mid-11's with just bolt-ons on a Mach1 sounds a little far fetched. Must have had 4.56's gears and a full suspension mods also?:thinkin:

My Mach has 4.30's (I do have a set of 4.56's in the garage waiting to go in though... ;) ) & suspension mods, which are both bolt-ons.
Best two N/A slips to date:

http://home.comcast.net/~luvpoohbear/md052106slips02.jpg


By the way, it is a Z28, not an SS.

Oops - my bad.... :whistle:

[Roastem]

No 60 ft time on either of those timeslips?

That thing is flying. You tagged any 03 Cobra's with it yet?

[Marc87GN]

Thanks.



Not too shabby...



My Mach has 4.30's (I do have a set of 4.56's in the garage waiting to go in though... ;) ) & suspension mods, which are both bolt-ons.
Best two N/A slips to date:

http://home.comcast.net/~luvpoohbear/md052106slips02.jpg



Oops - my bad.... :whistle:

Damn that car is quick with a great mph. Just shows what people can do with a car when they know what they are doing. I'm sure you just provided some education to many people. I also noticed the 60ft not there, but it had be good looking at the 1/8 mile time. Probably low 1.60s if I had to guess. With a poweradder, that car will fall into the 10s on accident.

[Antz97ZNJ]

A full bolt on/cammed LS1 would beat a stock mach one pretty bad. They have ran high 11's low 12's as to where a mach 1 stock generally runs low to mid 13's...so theres your bus lengths. They run close but LS1's are still considerbly quicker up top stock..Being a former Cobra owner im sure you know that the wrong driver can make a mustang look slow..There definately a drivers car.

[Roastem]

A full bolt on/cammed LS1 would beat a stock mach one pretty bad. They have ran high 11's low 12's as to where a mach 1 stock generally runs low to mid 13's...so theres your bus lengths. They run close but LS1's are still considerbly quicker up top stock..Being a former Cobra owner im sure you know that the wrong driver can make a mustang look slow..There definately a drivers car.


I agree. A full bolt-on LS1 with 4.10's and STOCK 245/45/16 Goodyears is real mutha to keep from spinning too. I found that out the first time I raced the ole Z28, the FIRST night I owned it. Full power in first or second would just annihilate those stock tires on bad pavement.

[Angus66]

No 60 ft time on either of those timeslips?

I also noticed the 60ft not there, but it had be good looking at the 1/8 mile time. Probably low 1.60s if I had to guess. With a poweradder, that car will fall into the 10s on accident.

I was kinda pissed that the 60ft clock was acting-up in that lane on & off all day - I use the 60' and 330' data to help me make suspension adjustments to lower my ET/raise mph.

Here are some other runs made two days prior:

60'.................1.517 (Best N/A 60' time so far this year I think)
330'...............4.745
1/8................7.422
1/8 mph........90.95
1000'.............9.745
1/4..............11.698
1/4 mph......115.35

60'.................1.530
330'...............4.733
1/8................7.402
1/8 mph........91.86
1000'.............9.706
1/4..............11.650
1/4 mph......115.12

60'.................1.525
330'...............4.740
1/8................7.414
1/8 mph........91.96
1000'.............9.711
1/4..............11.648
1/4 mph......116.47

(2) best slips from that day:

http://home.comcast.net/~luvpoohbear/md051906slips01.jpg


That thing is flying. You tagged any 03 Cobra's with it yet?

Damn that car is quick with a great mph. Just shows what people can do with a car when they know what they are doing. I'm sure you just provided some education to many people. With a poweradder, that car will fall into the 10s on accident.

Thanks for the compliments guys. :D

I have beaten more than one modded '03/'04 Cobra (and many stock/near-stock ones), but there are plenty faster than mid-11's so I remember that whenever I race one.

I'm looking for upper 10's on a 100-shot in the near future... ;)

[Roastem]

Thanks for the compliments guys. :D

I have beaten more than one modded '03/'04 Cobra (and many stock/near-stock ones), but there are plenty faster than mid-11's so I remember that whenever I race one.

I'm looking for upper 10's on a 100-shot in the near future... ;)

You ever had it dynoed?

[Angus66]

You ever had it dynoed?

Yes, it's been on the dyno a few times to evaluate modifications & for tuning. :yup:

Last dyno was about a month ago & it made 336 rwhp & 342 rwtq on the motor (bolt-ons only).

On the 100-shot it made 431 rwhp & 474 rwtq.

[robb4964]

This guy named Jimmy I went to high school with owns a red mach 1 now, and I had been trying to get him to race me for a couple months now. I was cruising through town Sunday afternoon, and he was heading out on a four lane road, so I pulled up beside him about 40 mph, he looks at me, then punches it. I do the same, and by the top of third I had two car lengths on him, I shifted it to fourth and he continued to lose ground. I let off about 100 or so, and he was more than a bus length back. LEFT HIS ASS. I thought those mach 1's ran harder than that?

It was stock though, vs. a modified LS1. Altogether, an UNSATISFYING KILL. Need to race one with a supercharger, especially since the TSP PRC LS6 heads should be arriving any day now to complement the cam!



They are fast. You raced a stock mach1 in your lightly modded LS1. What did you expect?

[robb4964]

Mach 1's are actually pretty damn close to LS1 F-Bodys in terms of performance. I'd still give the edge to the LS1, but it should be close.

Obviously the author has mods, so that tilts the tables a lot ;)


Yes they are stock for stock.

Until you start bolting on. :firedevil Then the gap will grow fast.

[Roastem]

They are fast. You raced a stock mach1 in your lightly modded LS1. What did you expect?

Lightly modded? After I put the heads on, I will only have 3 routes to make more power, stroker (big money), blower (big money), or nitrous (small money, but will likely tear some sh*t up). But, I plan to keep it N/A, so the only thing I will have left to do is put a big stroker in it, and I ain't doin' that till the stock block f*cks up.

Like I said in an earlier post, I "thought" I would prolly kill him, but you never know, from the last time he told me it was stock, that was like 4 months ago. Who knows what he had done to it since then.