I'm not going to lie...

[V8This]

I got my ass handed to me this time...

Well I was leaving the local hang out where all the big boys meet up. I run into a group of Camaros, TAs, and Mustangs. I pull up next to a TA not sure if it was a WS6 or not and we got a run in. Started at I want to say some where around 65-70. I was in 4th, which generally is a good spot for that gear. I look over and see 3 gauges on the guys pillar, right then I think fuck I've lost, I'm sure hes spraying or something. Well, I go for it anyway, I love to lose cause its a better race, or when it is neck and neck I love those. Anyway, we both punch it. By the time I reach 5th hes got a car or so on me, then mid way through 5th he's got about another half car to car, but stopped pulling. Great race over all. I really like to see what a fast car is like. I definentyl can't wait until wednesday, when I get tuned now. Anyway, anyone know what he could have possibly had done. I didn't hear a blower so I just assumed a nice shot of n2o.

[EVO8 driver]

Dont feel bad. I lost to a gto once and i have 340whp with a blown clutch. He probaly had bolt ons. That almost sounds exactly how i lost except we went from 80 to 105.

[az gt eater]

Do you have any idea what the gearing is in the m6? At 65 2nd is still usable. THere is a lot of torque to be had. 2nd gear! At 90 4th is a head snap. Maybe you need to take a ride in a ws6 one time and you will get an idea of what the gearing is. Not trying to be an ass, just Captain Obvious.

[V8This]

Do you have any idea what the gearing is in the m6? At 65 2nd is still usable. THere is a lot of torque to be had. 2nd gear! At 90 4th is a head snap. Maybe you need to take a ride in a ws6 one time and you will get an idea of what the gearing is. Not trying to be an ass, just Captain Obvious.

That might be your car but it's not mine. I'm not trying to be an ass but there are other cars on the road other than yours. I really don't care what gear he was in, I was stating what gear I was in. I need to be around 3500rpms so I get all the boost and no lag.

[mrr23]

Do you have any idea what the gearing is in the m6? At 65 2nd is still usable. THere is a lot of torque to be had. 2nd gear! At 90 4th is a head snap. Maybe you need to take a ride in a ws6 one time and you will get an idea of what the gearing is. Not trying to be an ass, just Captain Obvious.

are you realizing that he's talking about his car which is a STI and not an f-body? Not trying to be an ass, just Captain Obvious.

[EE1983]

are you realizing that he's talking about his car which is a STI and not an f-body? Not trying to be an ass, just Captain Obvious.

:lol: Thats great

[ss~zoso~ss]

i think az gt eater was saying that to prove a point to the sti guy point being that the reason why he lost was because the TA had it in a lower gear, and got a good jump on him,

i dont think he was spraying, if he was he'da killed you assuming you are near stock?

[ss~zoso~ss]

the ls1's are highway monster, a shot of N2O on the freeway is gonna send that LS1 screaming up to 150 mph in no time, you could be completely stock and murder a ls1 from a dig tho

[V8This]

I'm not stock and not near stock. I can take a Camaro Z28 and SS from a roll...

[EVO8 driver]

It is said that ss camaro and ls2 gto are almost identical when going from a roll.

[EE1983]

Assuming both are stock yes they are quite identical.

[EVO8 driver]

Yes indeed.

[toneloc60]

It's nearly impossible to tell you what he had done. It could've been all bolt ons, a cam, maybe H/C/I, or as you said possibly a shot of N20. Tough to say.

[whitelightnin99]

I'm not stock and not near stock. I can take a Camaro Z28 and SS from a roll...


so how come you lost to a T/A:dunno:

[V8This]

so how come you lost to a T/A:dunno:

I don't think he was stock... The SS and other cars I have raced had like exhaust and intake. This guy was running three gauges, so I think something else was up under the hood.

[EVO8 driver]

Well lets see. Gauge#1 was a compass meter. Gauge#2 was a temperature meter, and gauge #3 was probably a clock. JK im bored today. You win some you lose some. I have lost 3 - C5 vette, LS2 GTO, and the one who smoked me, a turbo audi. And i have won 6 - Z28 nos, SRT4 stage2, mustangs, ect.. LS1's and 2's are the better competition and the most you see on the road too.

[RedT/Anumber1]

Hey I'm about to race a 03 evo V/// . He only has a blowoff valve what do you think will happen EVO8 DRIVER. Any suggestions.

[az gt eater]

I CAN REED I saw what type of car you had. Thanks, I am just saying that gearing will help a lot. When I come up on one of those Wrx's on 1-10 with my ws6 instead of the damn work truck I will report back. I just know that a wrx won't have the snap at 70 or 120 that I have. Maybe when the driver figures out what gear he needs to be in... I will lose. who knows?

[EE1983]

Hey I'm about to race a 03 evo V/// . He only has a blowoff valve what do you think will happen EVO8 DRIVER. Any suggestions.


Youre going pull him easy. A blow off valve doesnt add any power so its stock basically.

[EE1983]

I CAN REED I saw what type of car you had. Thanks, I am just saying that gearing will help a lot. When I come up on one of those Wrx's on 1-10 with my ws6 instead of the damn work truck I will report back. I just know that a wrx won't have the snap at 70 or 120 that I have. Maybe when the driver figures out what gear he needs to be in... I will lose. who knows?

Your car has more snap at 70 or 120 because it has 100+ more whp than a WRX. Even if its an STi youll still have an extra 60-70whp more (assuming stock vs stock).

[V8This]

I CAN REED I saw what type of car you had. Thanks, I am just saying that gearing will help a lot. When I come up on one of those Wrx's on 1-10 with my ws6 instead of the damn work truck I will report back. I just know that a wrx won't have the snap at 70 or 120 that I have. Maybe when the driver figures out what gear he needs to be in... I will lose. who knows?

I'm glad you an "REED"... For me it is a little different. In 1st and 2nd gear if I hit 13lbs of boost, I'm thrilled. In 3rd if I hit 14lbs, I thank the gods. However, in 4th and 5th, I have been spiking around 17lbs of boost, so the extra boost helps make up for being in a higher gear. Keep in mind I am a 6spd, so I dyno in 4th not 3rd, so I still have a some decent power in 4th gear and 5th gear. That is why I can keep up/pull a tad on a stockish (very minor bolt on) SS.

F-Bodies are one of my favorite cars to race. So far, each one has been very close (until this one) with either myself pulling about a fender or the F-Body pulling a fender. I love close races and the fact that nearly every F-Body that I have run into has a nice driver opposed to some of the asshats I run into.

[EVO8 driver]

RedT/Anumber1
You should pull easily once you hit about 40mph and up. He will get you off the line but thats about it. The 03 evo is the slowest of them all. Basicly run low 14's stock. A blow off valve is nothing on a stock evo. I have an 03 evo myself. But it's far from stock. Stock 03 and 04 evos are the slowest. Then the 05 evos are faster due to a bigger stock turbo. Then the fastest is the 06 evo9. That one is a whole different evo engine power wise.

[az gt eater]

Thanks I guess I won't waste my time, then. Maybe use the time to get his girl's #

[RedT/Anumber1]

well this guy ran a 13.7 at the track so maybe it is an 05 i'm not really sher. Then again this guy is a good driver. I haven't taken mine to the track ,but I raced a SVT Cobra that ran 14 flat ,and i smoked him by like 4 or 5 cars. :dunno: well i don't know but i think it will be a good race. I can't wait. I just hope I don't:burnout: on my launch

[NIevo]

'03-'04's can and have ran low 13's stock. It all depends on the driver and conditions. '05's can run 13 flats and '06's have been 12.8's-12.9's pretty regularly. My '03 ran a 12.3 with just an exhaust, boost controller, intake, and flash. They arent as fast from a roll though, my 12.3 was only a 108 trap. Now add cams and its a different story, they become pretty killer from a roll and Im now trapping 115+ with the stock turbo.

[Wesman]

I'm not stock and not near stock. I can take a Camaro Z28 and SS from a roll...

What mods do you have again??

Because you'd need over 60WHP in mods just to hang with an LS1 from a roll...

[Wesman]

'03-'04's can and have ran low 13's stock. It all depends on the driver and conditions. '05's can run 13 flats and '06's have been 12.8's-12.9's pretty regularly. My '03 ran a 12.3 with just an exhaust, boost controller, intake, and flash. They arent as fast from a roll though, my 12.3 was only a 108 trap. Now add cams and its a different story, they become pretty killer from a roll and Im now trapping 115+ with the stock turbo.

You say changing cams alone adds over 8MPH in the 1/4 mile on an Evo??

Okay...I don't think so :thumbdn:

[EE1983]

You say changing cams alone adds over 8MPH in the 1/4 mile on an Evo??

Okay...I don't think so :thumbdn:


Cams dont add 8mph straight up. The average gain is usually around 4-5mph though. It really depends on your mod combination. With (full exhaust, 02, 10.5 (for non 05-06) and flash) with cams you should be able to go 113-116mph, but of course depends on track, elevation, quality of tune, etc.

Most 2005s with jut full exhaust, tune, cams go around 114-115, ones with FMIC upgrades and such do 115-116.

[V8This]

What mods do you have again??

Because you'd need over 60WHP in mods just to hang with an LS1 from a roll...

Helix JDM Length Catless Downpipe (Heat Wrapped)
JDM Fujitsubo Catback
Cobb AccessPort With Stage 2 Map
GoFastBits 50/50 BOV
Ported Wastegate
Ported Turbo Inlet
GP Moto header (Heat Wrapped)
Group N Motor Mounts
Group N Tranny Mount
Turbo Heat Wrap Kit
K-Sport Coilovers

There might be a few small things I'm forgetting... My top end is a little bitter because of the inlet being ported, but now my spool time is slower. I can also thank the header for the slower spool time. Over all the car pulls nicely.

[NIevo]

You say changing cams alone adds over 8MPH in the 1/4 mile on an Evo??

Okay...I don't think so :thumbdn:

I added O2 housing, cams, and exhaust mani. Cams by far add the most topend, O2 housing and mani only add 10-15whp without a custom tune.

[Wesman]

Helix JDM Length Catless Downpipe (Heat Wrapped)
JDM Fujitsubo Catback
Cobb AccessPort With Stage 2 Map
GoFastBits 50/50 BOV
Ported Wastegate
Ported Turbo Inlet
GP Moto header (Heat Wrapped)
Group N Motor Mounts
Group N Tranny Mount
Turbo Heat Wrap Kit
K-Sport Coilovers

There might be a few small things I'm forgetting... My top end is a little bitter because of the inlet being ported, but now my spool time is slower. I can also thank the header for the slower spool time. Over all the car pulls nicely.

So basically you have a downpipe, catback, header, and ported turbo inlet.

Yet somehow that gives you 60+WHP over stock and allows you to beat LS1's from a roll. Sounds like bullshit to me :thumbdn:

[EE1983]

So basically you have a downpipe, catback, header, and ported turbo inlet.

Yet somehow that gives you 60+WHP over stock and allows you to beat LS1's from a roll. Sounds like bullshit to me :thumbdn:


He has that, but the biggest thing you didnt include was the tune. Im not 100% on STi's but I know they are somewhat similar to EVOs in the fact that the tune is usually the biggest power adder, so 60whp with a tune seems reasonable, but then again, Im not an expert on STi's so dont quote me :)

[NIevo]

Your also forgeting that his gearing is alot more agressive and his car is alot lighter. Its not that hard to believe.

[EVO8 driver]

I think he's a few horses shy of 60whp even with the tune.

[Flobeast385]

i agree with EE1983 because a good tune can make a world of difference especially with more and more mods. Reason being that the manufacturers tune them down to meet all the shitty EPA regs. and stuff like that, and then when you start tuning the vehicle you can really feel the potential power

[EE1983]

Your also forgeting that his gearing is alot more agressive and his car is alot lighter. Its not that hard to believe.



That depends on what LS1 we're talking about. STi's weight in the high 3200 and even 3300lb range. Thats HEAVIER than a C5 and only within 100-200lbs of a TA or Camaro... Id say the weight advantage is negligible. Gearing Im unsure of on the STi but on the EVO after 120mph you have to shift to 5th which isnt a good match for 4th but I dont really race above that so Im ok. Unsure about STis

[NIevo]

Well if this is the same V8This that is on the GTO forums then he posted pics of his car over there and it is a stripped auto-xer. He has probably shaved 150-200lbs. Very nice looking car though.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81332&page=2

[V8This]

Well if this is the same V8This that is on the GTO forums then he posted pics of his car over there and it is a stripped auto-xer. He has probably shaved 150-200lbs. Very nice looking car though.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81332&page=2

I am the same V8This as over there. However, my interior is all back in for a while. I have been thinking about trading my car in on a WS6 or a GTO and supercharging it... Depends on what the dealer is willing to give me. If it is what I want (which I highly doubt it will be) I will trade it in. This car is a pain in the ass, but thanks for the compliment NIevo!

So basically you have a downpipe, catback, header, and ported turbo inlet.

Yet somehow that gives you 60+WHP over stock and allows you to beat LS1's from a roll. Sounds like bullshit to me :thumbdn:

My power comes from the Stage 2 map. I hit 17.5 psi, with a much better flowing exhaust system, which is catless. While having a few boost problems, I was able to run a 13.3 with a 1.8 60'. I am going to the track again either Sunday or Monday and will see how the ECU has compensated for the boost problems and hoping for a bit better of a 60'. Just for the hell of it the night I was at the track I wanted to see how my top end was and even with a 2.2 60', I was able to run a 14.0, which isn't to bad.

The ported inlet is very helpful in my top end as well as the header since it is a 1 piece with an Up Pipe, which isn't really needed but will help slightly on the top end. My spool time is a little worse than stock, but I hold the boost longer than a stock STi would. EE1983 is right when he talks about the tune. If I had just a turbo back, header, and ported inlet, then you are aright it would be complete bs that I could keep up with an LS1, but since I am running the stage 2 map from Cobb, I am hitting more boost and holding that boost longer. It is a shitty tune and when I get protuned on June 9th, I can expect to pick up another 20-30whp and hold more psi until redline resulting it a much better top end.

I really have better things to do than come on a internet forum and lie about what my car can do. I speak the truth, that's why if I lose I still post about it. I win some and I lose some. I love to share my stories and hate, when people that don't know me, have never been in my car, or seen what my car has done call bullshit on something they did not see.