Another Cobra gets pounded by a Honda

[Black R/A]

Man, this guy better run out and get a pulley. :lol:




http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Toomuchtherapy104/?action=view&current=MevsCobra.flv

[ss~zoso~ss]

and another thread to get :lock: eventually

[Wesman]

I hate ricers.

I think that Honda guy shit his pants, he was raving like he just hit the lottery or something. Yet all he did was outrun a stock Mustang Cobra by a few lengths in his piece of shit modded-out Honda :rolleyes:

This is going to get locked soon.

[Mach1Mustang]

it was not a 03/04 eaither. looked like a 99, neither seemed that fast!

[mrr23]

it happens. so long as the stupid your an idiot comments are left out, then it will stay open. here, i'll even show the video of me at the track with the wife's car where a turbo prelude beat me. granted i wasn't spraying on this run.

www.centralfloridastreetcars.com/videos/1267run.wmv

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

it was not a 03/04 eaither. looked like a 99, neither seemed that fast!
:werd:

[ss~zoso~ss]

yea i just figured that this thread would draw a lot of "stupid ass comments"

[mrr23]

it most likely would have if i hadn't put myself into the thread to watch it.

[EE1983]

How could he put on a pulley if he wasnt supercharged... :lol:

[Black R/A]

How could he put on a pulley if he wasnt supercharged... :lol:

He needs a supercharger too. :lol:

[jacobyb]

WHy are people suprised that a Honda can be fast? Why would anyone that considers themselves a car enthusiast have anything but praise for a car that weighs 2800lbs and is powered by a 1.6 to 2.2 liter 4cyl that makes enough power to hang with and in some case destroy vehicles with much more engine? I used to have a proven 10 second fully streetable Civic. How can you have any kind of a problem with that other then to be completely ignorant of what is out there?

[Mach1Mustang]

all i was saying was that the cobra was not a s/c and that neither seemed that fast. sure a civic can be fast, there are many in my area that are. if anyone knows of RLZ, there are right in my area, good friends of mine. His car is a street legal 9 sec civic. my other friend has a 400 hp civic. thay can be fast, but this one was not.

[Wesman]

WHy are people suprised that a Honda can be fast? Why would anyone that considers themselves a car enthusiast have anything but praise for a car that weighs 2800lbs and is powered by a 1.6 to 2.2 liter 4cyl that makes enough power to hang with and in some case destroy vehicles with much more engine? I used to have a proven 10 second fully streetable Civic. How can you have any kind of a problem with that other then to be completely ignorant of what is out there?

Because its a cheap, unattractive, crappy-ass economy car. It doesn't matter how fast it is, a fast piece of shit is still a piece of shit.

I have respect for fast cars that are actually nice, anyone can get a Civic hatch from the junkyard and rice it out :rolleyes:

[Musclefan21]

it happens. so long as the stupid your an idiot comments are left out, then it will stay open. here, i'll even show the video of me at the track with the wife's car where a turbo prelude beat me. granted i wasn't spraying on this run.

www.centralfloridastreetcars.com/videos/1267run.wmv

how many horses do you put down and what mods you got?

[Black R/A]

it happens. so long as the stupid your an idiot comments are left out, then it will stay open. here, i'll even show the video of me at the track with the wife's car where a turbo prelude beat me. granted i wasn't spraying on this run.

www.centralfloridastreetcars.com/videos/1267run.wmv


What the hell did you turn your headlights on for? Man, did he ever jump you out of the hole. What was your RT? What are those tires you are using? I wouldn't say that was an exemplary race. The Honda's fast and he knows to drive though.

Your car still looks better.

[az gt eater]

:notworthy: Because its a cheap, unattractive, crappy-ass economy car. It doesn't matter how fast it is, a fast piece of shit is still a piece of shit.

I have respect for fast cars that are actually nice, anyone can get a Civic hatch from the junkyard and rice it out:cold:

[Jason05GTO]

I remember back in the day people put 460's in Pinto's and kicked everybodys ass. POS car with a bigass engine. Its the same here, put enough money into a terd and you can make it fast, its just that many people have the opinion that Civics are POS too. Id rather drive a stock Cobra and get beat than drive a modded Honda.

[mrr23]

how many horses do you put down and what mods you got?

http://www.stealthram.com/1999pontiacformula.html

[mrr23]

What the hell did you turn your headlights on for? Man, did he ever jump you out of the hole. What was your RT? What are those tires you are using? I wouldn't say that was an exemplary race. The Honda's fast and he knows to drive though.

Your car still looks better.

i was turning on the parking lights and turned the switch all the way to lights. then turned them off the lower the lights. never said it weas exemplary. just showing that a f-body can lose to an import.

here's the timeslip.
20 jan 2005
distance ---- me ---- import
r/t --------- .245 ---- .136
60ft ------- 1.995 --- 1.795
330 ------- 5.446 ---- 4.991
1/8 ------- 8.232 ---- 7.646
mph ------ 88.87 ---- 93.43
1000 ----- 10.631 --- 9.913
1/4 ------ 12.678 --- 11.840
mph ----- 110.36 --- 116.32
right first .9476

i was motor only.

tires - 245/50-16 nitto DRs

[Black R/A]

I can't really argue with those numbers. .245 is pretty good. but right off the bat he's .1 ahead. Seemed like he had better traction, but in the end he's up there on HP too with 116.3. Yup, with enough boost you can make a pig fly.

[rug]

I can't really argue with those numbers. .245 is pretty good. but right off the bat he's .1 ahead. Seemed like he had better traction, but in the end he's up there on HP too with 116.3. Yup, with enough boost you can make a pig fly.
True but an LS1 with mods to run 11s will stay together more then a few months.:burnout:

[jacobyb]

Because its a cheap, unattractive, crappy-ass economy car. It doesn't matter how fast it is, a fast piece of shit is still a piece of shit.

I have respect for fast cars that are actually nice, anyone can get a Civic hatch from the junkyard and rice it out :rolleyes:

It's funny that you say this. I just checked the Kelly Blue Book prices on a 1999 Honda Civic Si and a 1999 Trans Am. The Trans Am that at one time cost about $28K is now only worth about $12,500. The same year Honda Civic that at one time had an MSRP of $16K is now valued at $12,235. Hmmm. Wanna talk about cheapness and compare interiors of the two cars? How about reliability records?

ANd there are some people that think that the Trans Am is as gaudy as it gets. The instant interior rattles after you drive it off the lot, that fantastic solid rear axel that some would say was out-dated about 20 years ago, all that storage room you have in the trunk, etc...See how easy it is to rip on cars by ignoring what they accomplish and just pointing out opionion based tripe?

Your attitude is exactly what I don't understand. Would you describe yourself as a car enthusiast? I hope not.

[Shoyoas]

Good Answer

A car enthusiast appreciates fast well put together vehicles whether it be a vette or a bettle, a rig with a jet engine or a zx10

[Shoyoas]

besides, black r/a is just being black r/a.

[juiced99ws6]

It's funny that you say this. I just checked the Kelly Blue Book prices on a 1999 Honda Civic Si and a 1999 Trans Am. The Trans Am that at one time cost about $28K is now only worth about $12,500. The same year Honda Civic that at one time had an MSRP of $16K is now valued at $12,235. Hmmm. Wanna talk about cheapness and compare interiors of the two cars? How about reliability records?

ANd there are some people that think that the Trans Am is as gaudy as it gets. The instant interior rattles after you drive it off the lot, that fantastic solid rear axel that some would say was out-dated about 20 years ago, all that storage room you have in the trunk, etc...See how easy it is to rip on cars by ignoring what they accomplish and just pointing out opionion based tripe?

Your attitude is exactly what I don't understand. Would you describe yourself as a car enthusiast? I hope not.

Just to argue the other side of that one main reason for the retainment in value for cars such as the honda civic is yes reliability there is no denying that but also fuel economy. People would rather buy a little econo box in times with gas is 3$ per gallon which is why the T/A and Camaro are no longer built. Now as for the solid rear axel.. Most people claim that one of the worst things on the newer mustangs are the independant rear end. Also you are driving a car with the also "outdated" pushrod engine. Sometimes old fashioned just means perfected technology. Now lets use my car as an example. I have never had one mechanical failure in my car which has 105,000 miles on it and it can run 11's on the bottle all day long. It has sprayed 30 lbs of nitrous on a 150 shot and about 70 lbs on a 100 shot and the car runs every bit as good as it did 2 years ago when I bought it at 85,000 miles. Now you take a completly stock internals civic that can run 11s all day with 105,000 miles on it and see where the reliability is then. So just before you talk about reliability with an LS1 guy you go ahead and look at its track records and find out how many people here have WELL over 100,000 miles.

[oneBADDz]

It's funny that you say this. I just checked the Kelly Blue Book prices on a 1999 Honda Civic Si and a 1999 Trans Am. The Trans Am that at one time cost about $28K is now only worth about $12,500. The same year Honda Civic that at one time had an MSRP of $16K is now valued at $12,235. Hmmm. Wanna talk about cheapness and compare interiors of the two cars? How about reliability records?

ANd there are some people that think that the Trans Am is as gaudy as it gets. The instant interior rattles after you drive it off the lot, that fantastic solid rear axel that some would say was out-dated about 20 years ago, all that storage room you have in the trunk, etc...See how easy it is to rip on cars by ignoring what they accomplish and just pointing out opionion based tripe?

Your attitude is exactly what I don't understand. Would you describe yourself as a car enthusiast? I hope not.
funny, cause the t/a sells for over book value and the civic sells for under book.

[az gt eater]

It's too bad you weren't willing to pay 28k for a Honda in 1999, some dealership would have taken your money I bet. Oh, that's right, they weren't worth 28k. I almost forgot.And never will be.:slap:

[Street Lethal]

...that fantastic solid rear axel that some would say was out-dated about 20 years ago.

Some of those 20-30 year old "out dated" solid rear axle muscle cars are worth more than you can ever imagine, and yes, those car's were horrible in handling, horrible in gas mileage... and even more so in comfort. It was all about image.

I just checked the Kelly Blue Book prices on a 1999 Honda Civic Si and a 1999 Trans Am. The Trans Am that at one time cost about $28K is now only worth about $12,500. The same year Honda Civic that at one time had an MSRP of $16K is now valued at $12,235. Hmmm. Wanna talk about cheapness and compare interiors of the two cars?

Comparing the Blue Book value of a seven year old Trans Am, with a seven year old Honda Civic, is silly. Try that same 1999 analogy thirty years from now....

[jacobyb]

funny, cause the t/a sells for over book value and the civic sells for under book.

Incorrect. both of the cars linked here are well over blue book and have remained steady over blue book for several years.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=199220808&dealer_id=51604092&car_year=1999&mod_bookmark_id=null&search_type=used&make=HONDA&transmission=Manual&distance=100&model=CIVIC&address=91335&make2=sel_one&certified=&advanced=y&max_mileage=&max_price=&bkms=1148982455119&min_price=&end_year=1999&color=&start_year=1999&drive=&isp=y&engine=&doors=Two+Door&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=69

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=199815483&dealer_id=564050&car_year=1999&mod_bookmark_id=null&search_type=used&make=HONDA&transmission=Manual&distance=100&model=CIVIC&address=91335&make2=sel_one&certified=&advanced=y&max_mileage=&max_price=&bkms=1148982455119&min_price=&end_year=1999&color=&start_year=1999&drive=&isp=y&engine=&doors=Two+Door&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=49

[jacobyb]

Some of those 20-30 year old "out dated" solid rear axle muscle cars are worth more than you can ever imagine, and yes, those car's were horrible in handling, horrible in gas mileage... and even more so in comfort. It was all about image.

You are missing the pint of what I said. I know that they are valued high and that the muscle car has a very exclusive market at the moment demanding massive prices. However, we are not talking about 20-30 year old cars. We are talking about a guy that made some ignorant comments about imports.

Comparing the Blue Book value of a seven year old Trans Am, with a seven year old Honda Civic, is silly. Try that same 1999 analogy thirty years from now....

hard to say. Why? because the Civic/Integra/Eclipse, etc are the cars that 30 years from now, the kids that are 16-20 and buying the cars now are going to feel nostalgic about. Not the F-body. Obviously they will always have their place, but as an example, my 65 year old father thinks that the old muscle cars lost their way when comparred to the old hot rods he used to build in the 50's and early 60's. See what I mean? What you remember as hot cars that helped mold the future of the automotive world is not what kids 20 years later are going to remember.

[jacobyb]

Just to argue the other side of that one main reason for the retainment in value for cars such as the honda civic is yes reliability there is no denying that but also fuel economy. People would rather buy a little econo box in times with gas is 3$ per gallon which is why the T/A and Camaro are no longer built. Now as for the solid rear axel.. Most people claim that one of the worst things on the newer mustangs are the independant rear end. Also you are driving a car with the also "outdated" pushrod engine. Sometimes old fashioned just means perfected technology. Now lets use my car as an example. I have never had one mechanical failure in my car which has 105,000 miles on it and it can run 11's on the bottle all day long. It has sprayed 30 lbs of nitrous on a 150 shot and about 70 lbs on a 100 shot and the car runs every bit as good as it did 2 years ago when I bought it at 85,000 miles. Now you take a completly stock internals civic that can run 11s all day with 105,000 miles on it and see where the reliability is then. So just before you talk about reliability with an LS1 guy you go ahead and look at its track records and find out how many people here have WELL over 100,000 miles.

There is more to it then their MPG numbers and their reliability. It is their build quality and the fact that there is a multi-billion dollar tunning market associated with them right now. The only car manufacturers in the United States that has a higher re-sale than Honda is Mercedes and Lexus.

The price of fuel has nothing to do with why the T/A and Camaro are no longer built. It was because they were not selling well enough to continue building them. GM decided to use the assembly capacity for vehicles that had a larger return. SUV's. If your logic were true, why are cars like the Mustang, Charger/300C, etc stillbeing sold and selling extremely well? The Mustang was out-selling the F-bodies by 3 to 1.

The newer Mustangs are still solid axel. The Cobra had IRS.

The "outdated" pushrod engine is infact a newer design than OHC engines.

If we are going to have a pissing contest about who's car is easier to build on stock internals, obviously a vehicle with 8 slugs is going to have more potential. HOWEVER, hp per displacement, the LS engines lose. BIG. For example, the last Honda I had was a 1995 Integra GSR. Stock it is a 1.8L with 170hp and 128lb/ft. It ran a 15.1 1/4 stock. Not at all fast, but not bad considering.

When I got rid of the car it had 177K miles. It was outfitted with a Turbonetics T3/T4 Hybrid ball bearing turbo with all the bolt-on's for the kit on stock internals. It was pushing about 12psi of boost that gave it about 330whp. ALmost a 100% increase in power. It still returned 33mpg on the freeway and the kit was on the car for 109K miles. In fact, the turbo had been on the car for so long that it was getting ready to let go. It was in need of a rebuild. The engine ran just like the day I bought it. I never raced it in the 1/4 but cars with simular set-ups were turning mid to low 12's on street tires. And it turned 8200rpm's. The Civic I had before that was not stock inside, but the Civic I had before that was. It was a 1.6L and I was squeezing a 75shot of nitrous on that. It turned a 13.3 1/4 on 17" wheels and tires that were not designed for drag racing by any stretch of the imagination. I sold the car with 200K miles and it was still driving like the day I bought it with 29K miles. this just shows the ignorance of imports. You think, small engine=unreliable when pushed. Not true.

You are missing the point of my post. Instead of trying to comprehend what I was saying, you are getting defensive.

Again. My point is not to berate T/A's or Camaro's or any other car. I fully understand their performance potential and just how "deadly" they can be on the street. I am trying to understand why people that claim to be car enthusiasts would continually make fun of cars that they have little or no understanding of even after they see a video of one taking down an American V8 car. Maybe I am a rare entity that was lucky enough to live in both the world of American large displacement V8's and also imported small displacement 4cyls. I just don't understand why some people here would think that their car that consistantly recieved lower then average ratings by companies like JD Power, Consumer reports, etc would talk head about cars that are on the other end of the spectrum in that matter. I like anything that is fast especially when it takes some serious imagination to get the vehicle to go fast.

[oneBADDz]

There is more to it then their MPG numbers and their reliability. It is their build quality and the fact that there is a multi-billion dollar tunning market associated with them right now. The only car manufacturers in the United States that has a higher re-sale than Honda is Mercedes and Lexus.

The price of fuel has nothing to do with why the T/A and Camaro are no longer built. It was because they were not selling well enough to continue building them. GM decided to use the assembly capacity for vehicles that had a larger return. SUV's. If your logic were true, why are cars like the Mustang, Charger/300C, etc stillbeing sold and selling extremely well? The Mustang was out-selling the F-bodies by 3 to 1.

The newer Mustangs are still solid axel. The Cobra had IRS.

The "outdated" pushrod engine is infact a newer design than OHC engines.

If we are going to have a pissing contest about who's car is easier to build on stock internals, obviously a vehicle with 8 slugs is going to have more potential. HOWEVER, hp per displacement, the LS engines lose. BIG. For example, the last Honda I had was a 1995 Integra GSR. Stock it is a 1.8L with 170hp and 128lb/ft. It ran a 15.1 1/4 stock. Not at all fast, but not bad considering.

When I got rid of the car it had 177K miles. It was outfitted with a Turbonetics T3/T4 Hybrid ball bearing turbo with all the bolt-on's for the kit on stock internals. It was pushing about 12psi of boost that gave it about 330whp. ALmost a 100% increase in power. It still returned 33mpg on the freeway and the kit was on the car for 109K miles. In fact, the turbo had been on the car for so long that it was getting ready to let go. It was in need of a rebuild. The engine ran just like the day I bought it. I never raced it in the 1/4 but cars with simular set-ups were turning mid to low 12's on street tires. And it turned 8200rpm's. The Civic I had before that was not stock inside, but the Civic I had before that was. It was a 1.6L and I was squeezing a 75shot of nitrous on that. It turned a 13.3 1/4 on 17" wheels and tires that were not designed for drag racing by any stretch of the imagination. I sold the car with 200K miles and it was still driving like the day I bought it with 29K miles. this just shows the ignorance of imports. You think, small engine=unreliable when pushed. Not true.

You are missing the point of my post. Instead of trying to comprehend what I was saying, you are getting defensive.

Again. My point is not to berate T/A's or Camaro's or any other car. I fully understand their performance potential and just how "deadly" they can be on the street. I am trying to understand why people that claim to be car enthusiasts would continually make fun of cars that they have little or no understanding of even after they see a video of one taking down an American V8 car. Maybe I am a rare entity that was lucky enough to live in both the world of American large displacement V8's and also imported small displacement 4cyls. I just don't understand why some people here would think that their car that consistantly recieved lower then average ratings by companies like JD Power, Consumer reports, etc would talk head about cars that are on the other end of the spectrum in that matter. I like anything that is fast especially when it takes some serious imagination to get the vehicle to go fast.
So you think they're bad because they can do with a turbo what we can do N/A? Good point? Bottom line is that regardless of % of original value, they are selling for under book, while T/As are selling significantly for over book value.-which ones do people really want? Only a person who isn't near as experienced as you claim calls a solid axel "outdated." IRS has it's purpose and a solid axel has it's purpose. In a RWD car making good power IRS is for the birds. The cobra were getting IRS like you stated, and terminator cobra owners are changing them out for solid axels

[Street Lethal]

You are missing the pint of what I said. I know that they are valued high and that the muscle car has a very exclusive market at the moment demanding massive prices.

At the moment? Heh, maybe it really does pay to dream. Maybe one day, when the American Muscle car demand isn't so high, I'll be able to afford an all original Hemi powered Cuda'.... whaddya think? Not. ;)

However, we are not talking about 20-30 year old cars. We are talking about a guy that made some ignorant comments about imports.

Well, personally. I have nothing against imports. But come on now, you're on an LS1 website. What do you expect? ;)

...the Civic/Integra/Eclipse, etc are the cars that 30 years from now, the kids that are 16-20 and buying the cars now are going to feel nostalgic about.

True, but you're forgetting that there was in fact a growing market for the earlier Datsun 240's. Plenty of people feel nostalgic about these cars, today. However, here (in the United States), there will always be more in numbers favoring our cars... regardless how hard these opportunists (referring to Hollywood) try to prove otherwise.

...but as an example, my 65 year old father thinks that the old muscle cars lost their way when comparred to the old hot rods he used to build in the 50's and early 60's. See what I mean?

I see what you're saying, but to the average muscle car enthusiast... those cars (Hot Rods & Muscle Cars) are one and the same. There would be no muscle car, without the earlier street rod (this is how Edelbrock's father started). Tradition, tradition, tradition! This is what it's all about.

I've driven Supra-TT's, I've driven RX7-TT's, Evo's, STI's, you name it... chances are I at least drove it. All of these car's are awesome, the Japanese have done well for themselves.... but in an American economy, such car's shouldn't book value for more than our own. See what I mean?

What you remember as hot cars that helped mold the future of the automotive world is not what kids 20 years later are going to remember.

How can you say that? Allow me to quote you're response to another; "Your attitude is exactly what I don't understand. Would you describe yourself as a car enthusiast? I hope not". Well, I hope you wouldn't describe yourself as a true car enthusiast either, Jacob. I'm twenty nine years old, and as a "true" car enthusiast, I made it a point of remembering what was accomplished throughout the last sixty years of our American automotive history (regardless if I agreed with it or not).

[toneloc60]

Honda makes a great car. There is no question about that. I would love to own one, for a daily driver. For my fun car, I'll keep my Z28.

[Angus66]

He needs a supercharger too. :lol:

I see you haven't changed a bit R/A... :rolleyes:

... I really enjoy crushing folks like you at my local 1/4-mile track... :drivin:

[Wesman]

It's funny that you say this. I just checked the Kelly Blue Book prices on a 1999 Honda Civic Si and a 1999 Trans Am. The Trans Am that at one time cost about $28K is now only worth about $12,500. The same year Honda Civic that at one time had an MSRP of $16K is now valued at $12,235. Hmmm. Wanna talk about cheapness and compare interiors of the two cars? How about reliability records?

ANd there are some people that think that the Trans Am is as gaudy as it gets. The instant interior rattles after you drive it off the lot, that fantastic solid rear axel that some would say was out-dated about 20 years ago, all that storage room you have in the trunk, etc...See how easy it is to rip on cars by ignoring what they accomplish and just pointing out opionion based tripe?

Your attitude is exactly what I don't understand. Would you describe yourself as a car enthusiast? I hope not.

First off, I don't give two shits about the retail value of a Honda Civic Si. The only reason it has held its value so well is because they are in demand, every ricer and his brother wants a Civic Si. Its also a Honda, so people automatically assume it will be super reliable (often not the case), and therefore the value also stays up.

You say you want to talk about cheapness?? Honda Civic interiors is about as basic as they get. You act like we're comparing a Yugo to an Audi here. The Trans Am interior looks much nicer, even if the quality of the plastics isn't stellar. Mine has zero creeks or rattles, I guess its just you.

People who think the Trans Am is "gaudy" are most likely stupid ricers like yourself. The Trans Am is one of the meanest looking cars on the road, the styling is aggressive, not "gaudy". I've never heard anyone say that before that wasn't an import loving toolshed.

And then you have the audacity to say a solid rear axle is bad?? Do you have any clue about cars whatsoever?? A solid axle is the best thing you can have for drag racing, it doesn't get wheelhop, and with the right differential they are nearly indestructible. I suppose you think a torque steering front wheel drive piece of crap is somehow superior, though :thumbdn:

And lastly, you're damn right I consider myself a car enthusiast. Who says car enthusiasts have to like every car ever built?? I love cars, just not stupid FWD economy car rice mobiles with 88 ft/lbs of torque :rolleyes:

[Street Lethal]

I love cars, just not stupid FWD economy car rice mobiles with 88 ft/lbs of torque :rolleyes:

Now now Wesman, you should know by now that the "stickers" found on most Honda's alone add about fifty horsepower each, to make up for it's lack of earth wobbling torque... ;)

[Street Lethal]

The price of fuel has nothing to do with why the T/A and Camaro are no longer built. It was because they were not selling well enough to continue building them.

Wanted to comment on this. This automatically doesn't mean that the F-Body had any type of designing flaw, nor is it a reason to justify such an arguement that the Honda is better. The F-Body was always meant to rival the Mustang, but being that it's price was out of many younger enthusiast's range, while always being but a tad under the Corvette's, it's honestly no question why GM had trouble selling them. You also must remember that things happen for a reason, and GM always toyed with the notion of eliminating the F-Body from it's line-up. Keeping cost up, and sales down, simply solidified such a decision....

...why are cars like the Mustang still being sold and selling extremely well? The Mustang was out-selling the F-bodies by 3 to 1.

It always did, especially in the 80's, this is nothing new. Now the question here is, does this make the Fox body a much "better" design than the F-Body? Of course not, they were simply cheaper in make (as was evident by the Mustang's "rod" equipped hood holder).

If the Camaro and Firebird limited it's production to a "Camaro", and "Z28", and/or a "Firebird", and "Trans Am" only (eliminating the RS, Berlinetta, Iroc, Formula, GTA etc..), while keeping build cost down (eliminating various engine configurations, especially the 6 cylinder versions), you'd have a completely different outcome.

[camarolvr69]

First off, I don't give two shits about the retail value of a Honda Civic Si. The only reason it has held its value so well is because they are in demand, every ricer and his brother wants a Civic Si. Its also a Honda, so people automatically assume it will be super reliable (often not the case), and therefore the value also stays up.

You say you want to talk about cheapness?? Honda Civic interiors is about as basic as they get. You act like we're comparing a Yugo to an Audi here. The Trans Am interior looks much nicer, even if the quality of the plastics isn't stellar. Mine has zero creeks or rattles, I guess its just you.

People who think the Trans Am is "gaudy" are most likely stupid ricers like yourself. The Trans Am is one of the meanest looking cars on the road, the styling is aggressive, not "gaudy". I've never heard anyone say that before that wasn't an import loving toolshed.

And then you have the audacity to say a solid rear axle is bad?? Do you have any clue about cars whatsoever?? A solid axle is the best thing you can have for drag racing, it doesn't get wheelhop, and with the right differential they are nearly indestructible. I suppose you think a torque steering front wheel drive piece of crap is somehow superior, though :thumbdn:

And lastly, you're damn right I consider myself a car enthusiast. Who says car enthusiasts have to like every car ever built?? I love cars, just not stupid FWD economy car rice mobiles with 88 ft/lbs of torque :rolleyes:

You rock :rockon: its good that someone finally put the ricers in their place .:growl: Im tired of all the ignorant rice boys out there with NOS stickers and an AEM cold air intake thinking they are faster than anyone in a v8. All the time I here my friend has a turbo celica alltrac piece with 270 hp at 7 lbs of boost but can hit 700 hp with 24lbs...and he will smoke any mustang or camaro. he thinks just because he beat a CRX hes fast. :lol: Dumb riceboys whos been lying to you all these years...lol must be the fast and the furious propaganda gettin to em. :itsok: But when you line up with em they get left by buslengths. :slash:

[Street Lethal]

Im tired of all the ignorant rice boys out there with NOS stickers and an AEM cold air intake thinking they are faster than anyone in a v8. All the time I here my friend has a turbo celica alltrac piece with 270 hp at 7 lbs of boost but can hit 700 hp with 24lbs...and he will smoke any mustang or camaro.

The fact that most Import enthusiast's, today, are starting to swap the LSx family of engine's into there 240sx's, 300zx's, RX7's etc., is proof enough that there "boost" talk is all fluff. They refuse to be seen in domestic muscle, <cough cough> but wouldn't mind borrowing it's power plant though, that's for sure <cough cough>....

[camarolvr69]

of course its all "fluff". :lol: :lol:
this kid that was talking about that celica said he raced the CRX for 2k..:thinkin: he said when the kid gets mad he cranks up the boost.
i said i would race him when i get my car with H/C and he said the guy would dust me. theres also a guy with a 2000 maxima that is bone stock and he said he would dust me because his car is so light. reality: maxima~3245 lbs with 222 hp and camaro~3439 lbs with 305 hp stock :dunno:
just dont understand the ignorance of soo many import owners out there. :shots:

[EE1983]

of course its all "fluff". :lol: :lol:
this kid that was talking about that celica said he raced the CRX for 2k..:thinkin: he said when the kid gets mad he cranks up the boost.
i said i would race him when i get my car with H/C and he said the guy would dust me. theres also a guy with a 2000 maxima that is bone stock and he said he would dust me because his car is so light. reality: maxima~3245 lbs with 222 hp and camaro~3439 lbs with 305 hp stock :dunno:
just dont understand the ignorance of soo many import owners out there. :shots:


The same thing can be said for ignorant domestic owners, there seems to be a buttload of them too. Ive run into plenty. Its the guys who wont drive one or the other just because that usually have that problem.

[camarolvr69]

yeah those guys are what give f bodys a bad sterotype (rednecks with mullets) :thumbdn:

[EE1983]

yeah those guys are what give f bodys a bad sterotype (rednecks with mullets) :thumbdn:


We have the import fanboys to deal with too, youre not alone.

[camarolvr69]

yeah i see what your talking about like these guys :
http://videos.streetfire.net/toprated/1/AE341170-D6ED-4311-BB48-9B5029858254.htm
and these: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0ED9AACE-02ED-4169-A29D-539713EE8BEF.htm :lol: :lol: :lol:

[EE1983]

yeah i see what your talking about like these guys :
http://videos.streetfire.net/toprated/1/AE341170-D6ED-4311-BB48-9B5029858254.htm
and these: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0ED9AACE-02ED-4169-A29D-539713EE8BEF.htm :lol: :lol: :lol:



:lol: That Tercel was awesome.

[camarolvr69]

yup "terdcel" shawty lol
i think if I remember right the guy in the tercel owns a cobra :burnout:

[01blkformula]

wow that is some funny shit yet so true

[mrr23]

ok, this one has runs it's course. gotten into bickering.