View Full Version : Upgrading clutch what do you recomend?
well i have 2001 z28 6 spd with 76000 miles on my current clutch and its just not realy grabing to hard ne more. all i have planned for my car is to put on some bolt on such as headers and a lid. but the car is an 01 and i hear these have better master cylenders. I was looking at ram hd clutch's but i was also considering spec clutch's and i think im just gonna stick with my factory flywheel unless you think its nessary to upgrade to a lighter billet steel. and anyone have the slp clutch set up with the lightend flywheel .
preston1980
05-14-2006, 02:43 AM
Make sure to get a new master and slave cylinder from gm
I used a spec 3+ clutch with an aluminum flywheel and a lightweight pressure plate. It was hard to get used to (1500 miles are so), but now I love it. I have a 99 TA (non ram air) with a hypertech and a lid and knn with flowmaster. Thats maybe an extra 30 horses and I get 3rd gear scrathes every time. I did the quarter mile in 13 secs flat. I know thats not that great, but I'm not that good of a driver and my car has 92k miles on it.
Spec clutches are great.
mrhzk35404
05-15-2006, 01:48 PM
Well, Make your clutch choice to accommodate for future mods. I would also try to stay away from the spec. I have heard of many people say they dont last past 5k miles. and other issues too.
LS1Camaro98z
05-17-2006, 05:12 PM
I have a Z06 clutch in my 1998 Z28 M6 and I'm loving it. Stock feel to it. Much better than the SPEC III I had before which barely lasted a year. I only have a few bolt-ons so this clutch works for me now since it's my daily driver and I don't have any big mods planned
nice how much did that clutch run you and did you reuse the factory flywheel?
SOMSS
05-19-2006, 12:51 PM
Get yourself a LS7 clutch kit, you won't regret it. You will regret getting almost any other aftermarket clutch.
KageSS
05-22-2006, 01:03 AM
Nice car dude. Help me out here if you can. How do i put handle back on parking brake lever. Took it off to replace it w/new, having hard time putting it back on.
baseballss
05-22-2006, 04:52 AM
how do you guys think an ls6 clutch kit will handle 400 rwhp?? thats more in my budget than the ls7 kit.
SOMSS
05-22-2006, 06:21 AM
Nice car dude. Help me out here if you can. How do i put handle back on parking brake lever. Took it off to replace it w/new, having hard time putting it back on.
I do belive that it is rivited on and a rather large rivet at that. You may have to take it to the dealer for help here.
SOMSS
05-22-2006, 06:21 AM
Nice car dude. Help me out here if you can. How do i put handle back on parking brake lever. Took it off to replace it w/new, having hard time putting it back on.
I do belive that it is rivited on and a rather large rivet at that. You may have to take it to the dealer for help here.
baseballss
05-22-2006, 09:08 AM
ls6 clutch???
mrhzk35404
05-22-2006, 01:28 PM
ls6 clutch???
I wouldn't:thumbdn:
Need som geerheads to help me out on this one also. I have a 2000 Camaro SS with 48000 miles. Have a stock clutch and it's burned up, any heavy throttling and it will grab and drop up to 5000 RPM in 3rd on a 6spd T-56 tranny. Biggest problem is I dont have a factory manual, (And I love getting on thiss SS! Ran 12.3 1/4 tuned without problems stock) I like the redline in my shifts. have done a few bolt on mods and after ordering factory manual will do some more. I've heard alot about the LS7 clutch kit being the way to go. Like I said I've never done any work on the car It's never needed any. Are disassembly and bolt up proceedures pretty much the same for clutch change out on this LS1 and T-56..........as any other manual tranny? If not can you guys give me some heads up on what more I should pay special *note to. I'm assuming this LS7 clutch kit is GM OEM? Please correct my assumption if wrong. I appreciate any expert advice from those whom have done a change out, thanks. You can also email me at jzak@netscape.com
preston1980
05-29-2006, 07:24 AM
What mods have u done? 12.4 in the quarter is pretty good, without major mods.
I have a spec 3+ clutch with aluminum flywheel, I love it, but only have 2k miles on it. My 99 t/a m6 has only ran a 13 sec flat 1/4 mile time. with only simple mods.
I wonder what I need to do to get into the 12's, besides practice my launching.
I hear alot of people recomend spec brand clutches, but some don't.
Just remember to replace your rear main seal and slave/master cylinders while your tranny is out. I would also recomend getting a new flywheel.
oh yeah.... and the drill mod helps alot
SOMSS
05-29-2006, 10:48 AM
I just finished replacing my SPEC clutch/flywheel with an LS7 clutch kit. It is indeed an OEM clutch and flywheel. I highly recommend that you upgrade your slave to the 2001-2002 and change the throwout bearing as well. You should also order a ARP flywheel bolt kit to be on the safe side (torque to 75 ft lbs). Haynes (24017) makes a very comprehensive repair manual for Camaro/Firebird 1993-2002.
What mods have u done? 12.4 in the quarter is pretty good, without major mods.
I have a spec 3+ clutch with aluminum flywheel, I love it, but only have 2k miles on it. My 99 t/a m6 has only ran a 13 sec flat 1/4 mile time. with only simple mods.
I wonder what I need to do to get into the 12's, besides practice my launching.
I hear alot of people recomend spec brand clutches, but some don't.
Just remember to replace your rear main seal and slave/master cylinders while your tranny is out. I would also recomend getting a new flywheel.
oh yeah.... and the drill mod helps alot
Thanks for the advice. I've only done minor intake mods, shaved down all baffles in intake cover smooth, run K&N filter, Trimmed egr shorter. There was a noticable immprovement in performance with just these simple mods. As far as time goes on the 1/4, I've raced identical cars and have been beat and I also have won. Yes many modifications can add alot of H.P. and trim time. I found that experience and practice usually win a race in the same class of performance car. You stated "the drill mod helps alot?" Please elaborate, Thanks.
I just finished replacing my SPEC clutch/flywheel with an LS7 clutch kit. It is indeed an OEM clutch and flywheel. I highly recommend that you upgrade your slave to the 2001-2002 and change the throwout bearing as well. You should also order a ARP flywheel bolt kit to be on the safe side (torque to 75 ft lbs). Haynes (24017) makes a very comprehensive repair manual for Camaro/Firebird 1993-2002.
Again guys thanks for all the good info, much appreciated. If Haynes makes a comprehensive manual for any car it will be a first! I'll have to check it out. Last thing.......how much will all this set me back $$ performing the work myself? Were you able to get your parts at a specific place at a discount or very reasonable price and where?
mrhzk35404
05-29-2006, 07:14 PM
Sounds like you may have a cam in that engine
preston1980
05-30-2006, 11:26 AM
the drill mod is when you drill out the factory line restrictor in the master cylinder line that runs to the slave cylinder.
Which lets your master cylinder fill back up with hydralic (I cant spell) fluid in between speed shifts. It really helps your clutch ingage faster and makes those tricky 3rd gear shifts easier.
I know there are like 20 differant threads on this site about it. Just search "Drill Mod"
By the way a new slave cylinder comes with a new throw out bearing from the factory.
So u need a slave cylinder, a master cylinder and a rear main seal, from chevy.
Maybe a tranny mount as well.
VaderZ
05-30-2006, 07:20 PM
I got a TEXtralia on the way!
SOMSS
05-31-2006, 08:13 AM
Again guys thanks for all the good info, much appreciated. If Haynes makes a comprehensive manual for any car it will be a first! I'll have to check it out. Last thing.......how much will all this set me back $$ performing the work myself? Were you able to get your parts at a specific place at a discount or very reasonable price and where?
You can get this clutch kit at Fred Bean's (http://www.trademotion.com/splash/index.cfm?siteid=214152) for $635 shipped.
INMY01TA
06-01-2006, 10:14 AM
Spec clutches are P'sOS. LS6 isn't better than any stock clutch. If you want a clutch that doesn't chatter and leaves rubber on the road in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th than get the Mcleod single disc kevlar.
TACE02
06-01-2006, 05:48 PM
I went with Center Force Dual Friction Clutch. My clutch sticks to the floor in fourth gear when racing. But I have found out I have air in the lines. So once I bleed it, it should be fine. No complaints though on the clutch, it has a real nice feel to it.
SOMSS
06-06-2006, 10:50 AM
Try looking for a LUK Pro Gold clutch kit, they work great, hold over 600 hp and don't cost a fortune!
Hate to wear out this thread.......alot of different opinons on the best clutch......time and endurance on your parts will be the key factor if anyone has those statistics? Mention of an Aluminum flywheel is a scary thought to me, just cause I know metalurgy, (properties and srengths of metals and metal alloys) this T-56 set up of course is a new concept (correct me if I'm wrong) the flywheel takes the place of the pressure plate in a T-56 transmission. It would seem if this were the case any flywheel made out of a composite Chrome - Moly would withstand mega heat without gouging and warping, High tensil steals, cost wise would be second best, aluminum for this type of application unless there is a hardness spec I'm not aware of seems a waste of time and $$. Anyway would appreciate any input, my 2000 SS is up on jack stands and ready for a clutch mod refit. Thanks all, we can only learn by trial and error only I can't afford it LOL
SOMSS
06-10-2006, 09:10 AM
The flywheel does not replace the pressure plate! Here are pictures of an LS7 clutch kit for proof.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/SOMSS/SOM%20SS/DSCN1151.jpg
And now pictures of my fried SPEC clutch
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/SOMSS/SOM%20SS/SPECcluchkit.jpg
Hurley711
06-10-2006, 10:10 AM
LS7 clutch and LS2 flywheel from Fred Beans
so it seems that the ls7 clutch is a good gripping reliable clutch everyone agree with this?
ninobrn99
06-11-2006, 03:23 PM
ive had a spec 3..hated it!! i have a ram pg hd and its not too bad..it grabs, but i would go with the ls7/ls2 combo..its cheap, it holds and it shouldnt chatter. Give Fred Beans a call to order it. Also, your master is an 01, so you should be good, but with every clutch swap you should change the slave since its a high wear item IMO. Drill mod will also help wonders. i went with a Ram adjustable master for mine fwiw.
Nino
Quick1
06-18-2006, 07:43 AM
I have 99 T/A, at 100,000 I replaced my stock clutch with Center Force Dual Friction Clutch and presure plate, had to grind the flywheel 22 thousands, and upgraded the stock through out bear with the updated 2001-2002. I have problems engaging 1st and reverse. Seems like maybe need to blead system but no access to hydrolic line to blead with transmission in car. Also I smell burning and horrible sound when I try to back up a hill from stand still. I wouldn't recomend this combo. Anyone else deal with this?
With less than 10k mis. my stock ls6 setup began slipping between 1/2 and 2/3 shifts w/ drag radials. Installed the CFDF setup at the first tranny overhaul. 5500 RPM launches on slicks and speed shifts w/no slipping. Worked fine all season. Pulled the tranny the following spring for repairs and inspected the clutch. The flywheel organic side was glazed and cracked so I put the stock back in. It's held on but I'm going back w/CF and the new puck style disc.
Had similar problems going into first & reverse w/original CFDF setup but I think it was air in the line. Still using stock flywheel.
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