When Racing Cobra's, have your FACTS STRAIGHT!!

[Roastem]

Someone said they raced an '00 Cobra. There were no '00 Cobra's, except for the '00 Cobra R. I am going to add this breakdown and I would appreciate everyone's opinion. Don't hesitate to disagree, or agree!

93 Cobra, only FOX-body COBRA, (COLLECTOR's ITEM)
93 Cobra R, only like 107 made (ULTRA-SUPER RARE)
94-95 Cobra's, slow pigs
95 Cobra R 5.8L 300 HP/365TQ (only 250 made, ULTRA-RARE, 13.8 1/4 mile)
96-98 Cobra's, 1st year DOHC, need gears and full bolt-ons to be NASTY
99 Cobra kinda NASTY
00 Cobra R, 5.4L DOHC 385HP/385TQ (only 300 made, ULTRA-RARE, REAL FUCK*N NASTY)
01 Cobra pretty NASTY
03-04 Cobra REAL FUCK*N NASTY
07 Shelby GT500 Cobra, promises to be REAL FUCK*N SUPER NASTY

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
- Sun Tzu

[predator]

ok i have a few things to add...

5.0 cobras are nothing... like maybe 235 hp stock

4.6's start to get a lil iffy... 99 and 01 cobras with slight mods will surprise the hell out of you... and a stock one can run an ls1 with a good driver... and just adding a supercharger to these things makes them super scary... so watch out for the whine...

03-04 cobras... kiss your ass goodbye... with out a nicely modded ls1 you wont even run a stock one.... and with about $1000 you can up the hp on a term cobra by about 50 hp...

the 00 cobra r... really not that nasty in a drag race, but deffinately not what it was built for... try to take one on a hiway or road course and watch your ass get handed to you.

and dont forget about 03-04 mach 1's... watch out for one unless your modded... pretty much a drivers race on this one...

and you ppl need to learn to identify cobras... i mainly see ppl get term and new edge ones mixed up... they look completely different... the hoods are different... the front and rear bumpers are different... and one whines fran dresher...

-me

[ZAPFOOL!!]

freaking cobras always getting all the attetion...good facts though guys

[predator]

oh i left something out... dont worry about lightenings... they are a joke...

-me

[Fade2Black]

oh i left something out... dont worry about lightenings... they are a joke...

-me
lol
I saw a new cobra
Scantless... :yup: :burnout:
That is a Nice ass car

[Corona-Extra]

I like the scale

(ULTRA-SUPER RARE)
kinda NASTY
REAL FUCK*N NASTY
ULTRA-RARE, REAL FUCK*N NASTY
REAL FUCK*N SUPER NASTY

LMFAO

I’ve got a buddy with an 00 Cobra R and like you said.. its (REAL FUCK*N NASTY)

[Musclefan21]

l just checked on autotrader.com.. il searched 2000 cobra and it showed me standart coupe and standard covertible.. so whats up with that?

here is the link.. you do it if you want.

http://www.autotrader.com/research/compare/index.jsp?restype=used

Erdal

[predator]

link didnt work for me, but if its for real... BUY IT!!!! it would be one of like 3... there was a rumor of a comemorative gold in 00... but they never made it because of the issues with the underpowered 99's... supposadly like 4 made it out through big wigs in the company... i have seen pics of one that was supposed to be real, but we all know how supposed to be works...

-me

[LS1 Eddie]

Don't hesitate to disagree, or agree!

94-95 Cobra's, slow pigs

96-98 Cobra's, 1st year DOHC, need gears and full bolt-ons to be NASTY


I won't. :D

94-95 Cobra's can be challengeable. About 90% of my car friends drive 95 Cobra's. Friend of mine has a Heads/Cam 95 Cobra that he has taken down a few LS1's with. It's a quick car.

96-98 Cobras I think are under rated. Aside from the 90% of my friends who drive 95 Cobra's, one drives a 96 Cobra. This thing is pretty nuts. All it has is a CAI, Exhaust, and short shifter, but the car screams. I agree that they are in need of gears badly. His has the stock gears, but he plans on getting 4:10s for it this summer. It's going to be a fast car, no doubt. Many people argue that 96 was the worst year saying it isn't durable, but I disagree saying that it's pretty fast.

[Musclefan21]

link didnt work for me, but if its for real... BUY IT!!!! it would be one of like 3... there was a rumor of a comemorative gold in 00... but they never made it because of the issues with the underpowered 99's... supposadly like 4 made it out through big wigs in the company... i have seen pics of one that was supposed to be real, but we all know how supposed to be works...

-me

No it is not the buying section.. l went to used cars compare section.. go to home page and left hand side click on used cars and at the next page click on compare cars then selelct make model and thats it.. you will see, standart convertible and couple cobras.. NOT COBRA R. well thats what autotrader shows..

[OnEbAdReDSS]

I used to work at the ford dealership till i quite and now work for an insurance company... well the ford dealershit, when i was working has 1 COBRA R... i wanted to steal the bitch! it isn't for sale, and has a Ford GT! Isn't for sale it is the owners cars! They are 2 bitchen cars but yes, the cobra r's aren't drag racing cars... they are road racing why do you think they didn't come with stereos and shit? they are hella fast though:notworthy: ... on the other hand there is the punk ass kid who has a 94-95 cobra... I think has full exhaust and intake... he pulled hella on me throughout all of 1st... then some of 2nd... but once i hit 3rd... hehe he got a mouth full of LS1! But yes they are cool once you do some modds... But you gotta give us credit... once you put a couple g's into our engines... he are snake eaters! :nono: Cobras and Vipers... Get what i mean??

[Roastem]

l just checked on autotrader.com.. il searched 2000 cobra and it showed me standart coupe and standard covertible.. so whats up with that?

here is the link.. you do it if you want.

http://www.autotrader.com/research/compare/index.jsp?restype=used

Erdal

I didn't see a 2000 Cobra in that link??? If you find a mass produced 2000 year model Cobra I will saw my nuts off and staple them to my forehead.

[430 stang]

The only Cobra's made in 2000 were 250 Cobra R's. A friend of mine has one and it is a scary fast car around corners but wouldn't stand a chance against an ls1 or a silver foxbody at a drag strip. lol.

[Musclefan21]

I didn't see a 2000 Cobra in that link??? If you find a mass produced 2000 year model Cobra I will saw my nuts off and staple them to my forehead.

well, when you select year 2000 and then make FORD and then SVT Mustang and it will showyou STD covertible and STD coupe!

l am not saying you guys are wrong.. l am saying thats what autotrader.com says..

Erdal

[Musclefan21]

I will saw my nuts off and staple them to my forehead.

dude, l cant stop laughing.. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Roastem]

The only Cobra's made in 2000 were 250 Cobra R's. A friend of mine has one and it is a scary fast car around corners but wouldn't stand a chance against an ls1 or a silver foxbody at a drag strip. lol.

I thought it was 300 for the 00 Cobra R. The 95 Cobra R was 250, right? Maybe I am mistaken?

[Roastem]

ok i have a few things to add...

4.6's start to get a lil iffy... 99 and 01 cobras with slight mods will surprise the hell out of you... and a stock one can run an ls1 with a good driver... and just adding a supercharger to these things makes them super scary... so watch out for the whine...

-me
I had an 01 with full bolt-ons and 3.73 gears (wish I would have put 4.10's in it), and I can confirm it was NASTY.

[Roastem]

dude, l cant stop laughing.. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I like that avatar doodad. :yup:

[430 stang]

You are correct on the numbers for the Cobra R's, sorry for the confusion. The 00' R I drove was real fun on the interstate and in the mountains though. I think they were rated at 385 hp, they have a 5.4 in them.

[MyCobraHatesYou]

Dont worry about the terminators... they only named them that to scare people......... they are real slow :yup:

[Roastem]

Dont worry about the terminators... they only named them that to scare people......... they are real slow :yup:

BAH! Intruder!

I raced an 03 for the first time on the highway a couple weeks ago with a 2.93 pulley and race exhaust. It didn't scare me, and he was quite surprised that he couldn't go around that CAM only LS1. But, my car is wicked fast, and his must have been just as fast, which is saying something.

[430 stang]

BAH! Intruder!

I raced an 03 for the first time on the highway a couple weeks ago with a 2.93 pulley and race exhaust. It didn't scare me, and he was quite surprised that he couldn't go around that CAM only LS1. But, my car is wicked fast, and his must have been just as fast, which is saying something.


I've raced a 03 cobra with the same mods and they run very strong. From the mods you have listed your car should run very strong. I also raced a 99' SS with a 383 and juice who smoked me by 4 lengths even though he said he wasn't spraying, yeah right. I didn't have my nitrous hooked up at the time but we'll see the next time we meet.:drivin:

[Roastem]

I've raced a 03 cobra with the same mods and they run very strong. From the mods you have listed your car should run very strong. I also raced a 99' SS with a 383 and juice who smoked me by 4 lengths even though he said he wasn't spraying, yeah right. I didn't have my nitrous hooked up at the time but we'll see the next time we meet.:drivin:

It is gonna feel righteous when you finally beat your nemesis. Hook the bottle up, buy a supercharger, stroke it out, do whatever it takes to put him in the rear view!

[430 stang]

It is gonna feel righteous when you finally beat your nemesis. Hook the bottle up, buy a supercharger, stroke it out, do whatever it takes to put him in the rear view!

What he doesn't know is that my car is set up for nitrous, i.e. nitrous cam and converter. I've already have a very built 331. I'm gonna spray 200 and see what happens. Maybe some drag radials in the mix also.:Ohno:

[Grey03Cobra]

Dont worry about the terminators... they only named them that to scare people......... they are real slow :yup:


Especially the ones with silver stripes:drivin:

[HyperGT]

Not sure why you all think 2000 R models are not fast. 5.4L 385 underrated hp.
While I dont mag. race, it is hard to find a real world example due to the rarity. MM&FF repeatedly got high 12's at 110-112mph, stone stock. Once they removed the splitter, wing and DR it was a 12.4sec car. If that isnt quick, not sure what is. I dont think a stock LS1, on ave. would be as quick.
Good thread and stats otherwise.

[0rion]

Especially the ones with silver stripes:drivin:

Get back to the GTO boards. :hifinger: :D

[predator]

Not sure why you all think 2000 R models are not fast. 5.4L 385 underrated hp.
While I dont mag. race, it is hard to find a real world example due to the rarity. MM&FF repeatedly got high 12's at 110-112mph, stone stock. Once they removed the splitter, wing and DR it was a 12.4sec car. If that isnt quick, not sure what is. I dont think a stock LS1, on ave. would be as quick.
Good thread and stats otherwise.

an ls1 isnt a $50k+ stripped down car... nor can you say that on avereage an ls1 wont get that when you are compareing times with professional drivers... rare? are they really that rare? i've seen one run on a podunk 1000ft drag in AR...

and is high 12's that fast? i thought f bods would lay that down all day...

-me

[HyperGT]

an ls1 isnt a $50k+ stripped down car... nor can you say that on avereage an ls1 wont get that when you are compareing times with professional drivers... rare? are they really that rare? i've seen one run on a podunk 1000ft drag in AR...

and is high 12's that fast? i thought f bods would lay that down all day...

-me

Dont let this get into a ford vs chevy, hell the original poster was just saying know your enemy. FWIW at every track day, even our mustang vs chevy day LS1's are not trapping 110mph stock. I see 104-106 for autos, the 6 speeds ave 106-108mph. So a car trapping 110-112 is fast. 12's all day, stock please. maybe mid to low 13's all day. I personally have yet to see any stock Ls1 run a twelve (not that it hasnt been done, I know it has). Evan Smith did run a high 12 at 109mph in the last year of the SS when they did a shoot out between a 03 Cobra and 03 SS. Nobody said the LS1 wasnt fast, the 2000 Cobra R is faster thats all.

[predator]

who said chevy vs. ford?

and you just said it your self an ls1 trapped right at a cobra R speed and time... im just saying its an autocross runner... not set up for drag so its not as big of a threat as ppl think... there are sedans that could out run these things...

-me

[HyperGT]

who said chevy vs. ford?

and you just said it your self an ls1 trapped right at a cobra R speed and time... im just saying its an autocross runner... not set up for drag so its not as big of a threat as ppl think... there are sedans that could out run these things...

-me

Wow, I said mid-high 12 at 110-112 thats NOT LS1 stock times. Sedan, who cares there are sedans that would eat your vette too, what has that got to do with anything. Anyway, I take your point on the handling side, you are right that is exactly what they are for, a pure track car.
Enough said., cheers.

[Huskerz1]

I didn't see a 2000 Cobra in that link??? If you find a mass produced 2000 year model Cobra I will saw my nuts off and staple them to my forehead.

LOL!!! Hey try to post pics. Careful dude there might be one around. My buddy has a 99 he bought new. I took hom everytime in my 00 SS. Then he got new intake and exhaust from dealer. He was very good competition then. I still took him in 3rd gear.

[11SecBatch]

there was 00 Cobra made.. they ALL went to Aussie land, believe it or not. Anyways... ...Ford came up with the name Terminator.. not just some Joe Schmoe

[SharkTA]

My best friend just came out of the closet. After having previously owned a 96 Z28, a 99 Z28, and an 00 SS, he just purchased an 01 Cobra. Is there some sort of support group I can join? Is there some sort of counseling I can try and get him into? I feel like I don't even know him any more. WHY, OH, WHY!?!?!?!?!?!

[predator]

y the hell would he move down to a slower car...

i dont blame ppl from buying mustangs... especially as a first sports car... i mean if you are used to a honda a mustange feels fast... but if you are used to ls1 cars.... man you feel like you are driving turd...

dont get me wrong i love mustangs... i mean without them i wouldnt have teenagers pulling up beside me in those nasty stock gts asking for an ass whipping...

its always fun to let someone hang with you till about 25 then hammer it and get loose in your lane...

-me

[11SecBatch]

well, if your friend is looking for a site to humm a tune on he can go to svtperformance.com

anyways... ...i can't own a slow car.... ....i know what slow is... ...peace!!

[11SecBatch]

Especially the ones with silver stripes:drivin:


...LOL AND the white ones ME whats up you all!!!!

[silverTA2002]

Ok, anyone remember the Mustang that had a 6.2 or 6.4 L engine or something in the late 90's???? It had the engine size in a sticker in front of the headlight (6.2 or 6.4 or something).

What was that called?

[11SecBatch]

you might be thinking about that boss shinodo mustang... ...lemme look...

here is a pic under the hood...it was 1994 ...it was stupid fast and was obviously never produced.. KILL i may be wrong but this is the only thing i seen for tool with in the 90's that was over 400 cubes.

[Roastem]

My best friend just came out of the closet. After having previously owned a 96 Z28, a 99 Z28, and an 00 SS, he just purchased an 01 Cobra. Is there some sort of support group I can join? Is there some sort of counseling I can try and get him into? I feel like I don't even know him any more. WHY, OH, WHY!?!?!?!?!?!

With gears and all the bolt-ons those 01 Cobra's are pretty damn nasty. I did the opposite, I owned a nasty 01, sold it, and bought a nasty Z28. Then I dropped 4 grand in it, and now its a real nasty mustang eater.

I loved the Cobra, but I love the Z too. Damn, that is why I can't have a steady relationship, too many options.

Choosing between the two is like choosing between two hotties, one that gives great, umm, fellatio, and another who can back that thing up like nobody's business.

Heavily modded, it is hard to choose between the two. If you are a hot-rodder, and don't particularly care about brands, then you have a real difficult decision on your hands.

[silverTA2002]

you might be thinking about that boss shinodo mustang... ...lemme look...

here is a pic under the hood...it was 1994 ...it was stupid fast and was obviously never produced.. KILL i may be wrong but this is the only thing i seen for tool with in the 90's that was over 400 cubes.

No, it's newer than that.

I remember reading about it in MotorTrend or Caranddriver. It was on the front cover of the magazine. Sometime between 1996 and 1999. The big key to what the car was was a sticker in front of the driver's side headllamp that had the engine size in Liters. (6.2 or 6.4 or something). It was powerful whatever it was.

[Roastem]

I originally started this thread to provide info on "mass produced" cobra's (at least 100 made), not specialty mustangs that were a one time deal.

[05gtoautoX]

I think the car "silverta2002" is talking about is the prototype "V10 Mustang" which was never put into production but car and driver did an arcticle a few years back on this car, maybe even drove the prototype, ( can't remember) it did have the sticker on the headlight, it said "6.2L V10", hope that is what you were talking about.

[silverTA2002]

I think the car "silverta2002" is talking about is the prototype "V10 Mustang" which was never put into production but car and driver did an arcticle a few years back on this car, maybe even drove the prototype, ( can't remember) it did have the sticker on the headlight, it said "6.2L V10", hope that is what you were talking about.

I think we're mixing the two cars up. The 2003 Boss v10 mustang was a 351 (5.8 liter). I looked it up. Very sweet! But no sticker in front of the headlight.

The 6.2 was something else.

[silverTA2002]

I originally started this thread to provide info on "mass produced" cobra's (at least 100 made), not specialty mustangs that were a one time deal.

So what??

You posted a thread about info everyone should know anyways. It made me think of another Mustang. Moving on.....


Would you feel better if you posted the thread about a bunch of basic info, and it had ONE response saying, "yep." Then no discussion?:dunno:

[Roastem]

So what??

You posted a thread about info everyone should know anyways. It made me think of another Mustang. Moving on.....


Would you feel better if you posted the thread about a bunch of basic info, and it had ONE response saying, "yep." Then no discussion?:dunno:

Huh? Woke up on the wrong side of the bed today? I opened the thread to discuss what people will see on the street, NOT cars that are locked away in a warehouse somewhere by some collector deuche bag.

Some guy said he raced an 00 Cobra, thus this thread. Apparently he "didn't know."

[predator]

So what??

You posted a thread about info everyone should know anyways. It made me think of another Mustang. Moving on.....


Would you feel better if you posted the thread about a bunch of basic info, and it had ONE response saying, "yep." Then no discussion?:dunno:

actually hearing "oh yeah now i get it" would be nice... i dont know y but every cobra story around here is a 2000... no joke go look at them... you barely ever see i raced a 99/01 cobra... i mean telling the 2 apart is easy because of the rear bumper... and the seats/center dash are different... but if you dont come up on them from the back all you have are badge, hood, wheels, and front bumper to go by (did they have the same wheels?) so i understand not being able to say i raced an 01 or a 99... just start saying new edge so 00 doesnt come out of your mouth...

and alot of stories around here say i just race an 03-04 and spanked its at... the typical responce is what mods you got... and you here well i have a lid and cat back... :thinkin: no you didnt just spank a term cobra son, you either got ahold of an 01/99 or you got ahold of a poser...

i rember one story a guy was telling where he whipped a term cobra (he was in a camaro i do beleive) down straight stretchs around the twisties every where... my buddies 99 does good enough in the curves that if he had enough power to pull me in the straight stretches he would be GONE... and hes trying to hang with an IRS z51 vette not a straight axle camaro... soo even if the guy wasnt racing a term that would blow by him in every curve and every straight away he would still have a new edge getting left behind in the straights and pulling hard on him in the curves...

granted i was putting a cobra r slow in the quarter, but atleast i know what stangs have superchargers and which dont...

-me

[Corona-Extra]

:drama::Popcorn:

[Roastem]

:drama::Popcorn:

I know right. Haterade must be on special this week.

[Dow04GTO]

I have no problem losing to a Cobra, of course that might be because I have one aswell... They are easy to make fast though mine only has acouple bolt-ons an ran a 8.0@92mph in the 1/8... Which reminds me I have to take my GTO out to the track again... Running a Tune, CAI and 150 shot now:burnout: ...

[Roastem]

I have no problem losing to a Cobra, of course that might be because I have one aswell... They are easy to make fast though mine only has acouple bolt-ons an ran a 8.0@92mph in the 1/8... Which reminds me I have to take my GTO out to the track again... Running a Tune, CAI and 150 shot now:burnout: ...

Must be an 03 Cobra to run that kind of time with a "few" bolt-ons.

[silverTA2002]

Huh? Woke up on the wrong side of the bed today? I opened the thread to discuss what people will see on the street, NOT cars that are locked away in a warehouse somewhere by some collector deuche bag.

Some guy said he raced an 00 Cobra, thus this thread. Apparently he "didn't know."
Dude, ease up. You're the one with the attitude playing "thread nazi." :thumbdn:

I'm just trying to add to the discussion. The listing of all the mustang models made me remember that one car.

[silverTA2002]

I opened the thread to discuss what people will see on the street, NOT cars that are locked away in a warehouse somewhere by some collector deuche bag.


Did I miss the place in the forum rules where the thread starter gets to dictate the exact discussion in the thread?:dunno:

I asked a question about one of your beloved mustangs. You should be happy.

Instead, you get your panties in a wad because it's not a production model. :thinkin:

For someone who's so anal about details on the mustang models, why get mad when I ask a mustang model question??

[silverTA2002]

Not to mention the fact that, just because it's rare, doesn't mean you won't see it on the street.

For example, this weekend I was at a dyno day with a 2002 Roush 380R.

In 2002, there were only 4 Roush 380Rs produced. All others were 360Rs.

[Roastem]

Did I miss the place in the forum rules where the thread starter gets to dictate the exact discussion in the thread?:dunno:

I asked a question about one of your beloved mustangs. You should be happy.

Instead, you get your panties in a wad because it's not a production model. :thinkin:

For someone who's so anal about details on the mustang models, why get mad when I ask a mustang model question??

Whoa, two words dude, anger management.

For your info, I didn't even direct that comment (specialty stangs) to you personally.

[Roastem]

Dude, ease up. You're the one with the attitude playing "thread nazi." :thumbdn:

I'm just trying to add to the discussion. The listing of all the mustang models made me remember that one car.

Thanks for adding to the discussion.

[Roastem]

Not to mention the fact that, just because it's rare, doesn't mean you won't see it on the street.

For example, this weekend I was at a dyno day with a 2002 Roush 380R.

In 2002, there were only 4 Roush 380Rs produced. All others were 360Rs.

Provide more info on the 380R and 360R. I am not very familiar with the Roush stangs. I thought they were just lightly modded GT's with a riced out body kit.

Found this:
http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/99-04/04/roush.htm

400 HP? You said you went to dyno day and one of these cars was there, what did it put down?

[Dow04GTO]

Must be an 03 Cobra to run that kind of time with a "few" bolt-ons.

Yeah an 03 black :love:

[silverTA2002]

Provide more info on the 380R and 360R. I am not very familiar with the Roush stangs. I thought they were just lightly modded GT's with a riced out body kit.

Found this:
http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/99-04/04/roush.htm

400 HP? You said you went to dyno day and one of these cars was there, what did it put down?
He was there, but he didn't dyno when I was there. I think he was in line to dyno, but I didn't wait around. I had already been there for four hours.

Pretty good looking car though.

Peformance wise, I'm not that impressed. I raced a 360R when I was bone stock. We raced 3 times, and I had him by 1/2 a car each time. For a supercharged mustang, I would've expected more.

Then again, when the 03 Cobra came out, it kinda made the $50k, less powerful roush seem kinda pointless. :dunno:

[onehotcavalier]

link didnt work for me, but if its for real... BUY IT!!!! it would be one of like 3... there was a rumor of a comemorative gold in 00... but they never made it because of the issues with the underpowered 99's... supposadly like 4 made it out through big wigs in the company... i have seen pics of one that was supposed to be real, but we all know how supposed to be works...

-me

the 01 was going to be the 02. they put it out 6 months later than what they normally would have so decided to call it the 01.... (because of the HP issues you mentioned) The gold cobra was going to be an 8k option and was going to be mistic, changing colors from gold to red... kinda like the the mystic purple cobra from 96.

I hada 99, blew the engine and ended up with a 00 engine in it. later traded it in on a 01 because I never got enought use of the vert and wanted a coupe

[predator]

the 01 was going to be the 02. they put it out 6 months later than what they normally would have so decided to call it the 01.... (because of the HP issues you mentioned) The gold cobra was going to be an 8k option and was going to be mistic, changing colors from gold to red... kinda like the the mystic purple cobra from 96.

I hada 99, blew the engine and ended up with a 00 engine in it. later traded it in on a 01 because I never got enought use of the vert and wanted a coupe

there was a mystic in 03 also wasnt there ( i know it was a term so 03-04) mystic seats in it were bad ass...

the 00 motor? typo?

and should that read the 01 was gonna be the 00, but....
-me

[onehotcavalier]

there was a mystic in 03 also wasnt there ( i know it was a term so 03-04) mystic seats in it were bad ass...

the 00 motor? typo?

and should that read the 01 was gonna be the 00, but....
-me

They built the engines for the 00 model and ended up getting one as a replacement before they decided to release the car as an 01 instead. Exactly like the 99 motor but already had "the fix". It dynoed a lot better than my 99 with the original engine in the mid 280's. The 99 engine I had was in the low 270's after the fix and in the low 260's before the fix

and yes I meant the 01 was going to be the 00, D'oh

[hurtindude]

Dont worry about the terminators... they only named them that to scare people......... they are real slow :yup:

yup... they be slow.... don't you worry about a thing...

[hurtindude]

got some pics of my cobras to help people pick out the real terminators from the fakes. or just to help eliminate confustion... how many people claim to beat a terminator, when they are only racing an older cobra, or a GT even w/ some cobra badges... pay special attention to the hood and front bumpber... The lightning is my friend aaron's

http://www.photodump.com/direct/springfield30_06/car001-T.jpg (http://www.photodump.com/viewer/springfield30_06/car001.html)

http://www.photodump.com/direct/springfield30_06/car002-T.jpg (http://www.photodump.com/viewer/springfield30_06/car002.html)

http://www.photodump.com/direct/springfield30_06/car014-T.jpg (http://www.photodump.com/viewer/springfield30_06/car014.html)

i hope to have a web site up soon w/ high rez pics... and more of them... it will not be dial up friendly...

[jb'sWS6]

A guy in my area has an 04 Cobra. So far he's put a Kenne Belle charger on it, lt, h-pipe, Bassani and a tune. 587HP to the wheels. His 1/4 times though... 12.0 at 120+... with drag radials. Does not powershift at all. Might break it he says!

[hurtindude]

A guy in my area has an 04 Cobra. So far he's put a Kenne Belle charger on it, lt, h-pipe, Bassani and a tune. 587HP to the wheels. His 1/4 times though... 12.0 at 120+... with drag radials. Does not powershift at all. Might break it he says!

The engine and tranny are virtually bullet proof. however around that power level people start to blow half shafts out of their IRS. Especially w/ slicks. That power level calls for level 2 half shafts. Stick w/ a clutch type diff and i wouldn't have any fear of power shifting at that point.

I saw a man run 10's. All he had was a turbo and level 2 half shafts and tires and a tune... And i mean thats it... Stock throttle body even. Stock exhaust system. Nothing else was changed.... not that a turbo is a minor mod or anything, but just the point they they can take the punishment with little work.

[cailey37]

got some pics of my cobras to help people pick out the real terminators from the fakes. or just to help eliminate confustion... how many people claim to beat a terminator, when they are only racing an older cobra, or a GT even w/ some cobra badges... pay special attention to the hood and front bumpber... The lightning is my friend aaron's

http://www.photodump.com/direct/springfield30_06/car001-T.jpg (http://www.photodump.com/viewer/springfield30_06/car001.html)

http://www.photodump.com/direct/springfield30_06/car002-T.jpg (http://www.photodump.com/viewer/springfield30_06/car002.html)

http://www.photodump.com/direct/springfield30_06/car014-T.jpg (http://www.photodump.com/viewer/springfield30_06/car014.html)

i hope to have a web site up soon w/ high rez pics... and more of them... it will not be dial up friendly...

I'd race it......no worries....:yup:

[hurtindude]

I'd race it......no worries....:yup:

with "720rwhp 786rwtq Pump Gas" i would hope you have no worries... my car is near stock. that wouldn't be much of a race. may i siuggest if you are looking for some one more your speed, you point your web browser to www.svtperformance.com There are a few guys there that would be a better match for you.

not that i know any of these people personally, but if you were looking for someone in your power class, pay special attention to the turbo cobras section under the forum for terminators.

most people in their run Hellion kits and make around 700 RWHP or more.

[7camaro7]

I like the scale

(ULTRA-SUPER RARE)
kinda NASTY
REAL FUCK*N NASTY
ULTRA-RARE, REAL FUCK*N NASTY
REAL FUCK*N SUPER NASTY

LMFAO

I’ve got a buddy with an 00 Cobra R and like you said.. its (REAL FUCK*N NASTY)

*whispering under my breath* shit, I've gotta start modding the SS asap.

You guys making me feel like my car's slow.

[NHRAMAN]

Was at a show Monday [Canadian Holiday] at a local Ford dealer...a guy brought a new Black SALEEN Supercharged Mustang..cage,nitrous,exhaust...it sounded wicked and sure looked alot better than any 03-04 Cobras...[not trying to start a fight]..it was the nicest car I have seen in awhile, and I am a GM GUY. :giveup:

[Roastem]

Was at a show Monday [Canadian Holiday] at a local Ford dealer...a guy brought a new Black SALEEN Supercharged Mustang..cage,nitrous,exhaust...it sounded wicked and sure looked alot better than any 03-04 Cobras...[not trying to start a fight]..it was the nicest car I have seen in awhile, and I am a GM GUY. :giveup:

I raced a stock 06 with a supercharger, pulled his ass from start to finish. Had him by a buslength at the top of fourth. I hope that nitrous helps this guy, cause a stock one saw nothing but the ass-end of a DISAPPEARING cam/bolt-on Z28. I was unimpressed. They are nice ass hell though!

[7camaro7]

hahaha, I'm a gm guy too, but I've gotta give it to ford for the mustang. Some of them are pretty nice. Regular GTs don't get my attention at all because they pretty much only sound good and thats it. I love to see modded gts because they go from slow and sounding really good to pretty quick and sounding good as hell hahaha!

Our cars for the most part stock wise are pretty quiet but fast, but I love seeing fbodies modded even more because fords can sound great but fbodies do it a little better hahaha

[BlackZ28629]

03-04 cobras... kiss your ass goodbye... with out a nicely modded ls1 you wont even run a stock one.... and with about $1000 you can up the hp on a term cobra by about 50 hp...


-me

I beg to differ, sir! I raced an 03 Cobra at the track and beat it when my car was stock! He was a good driver. Of course I only beat it by .18 of a second, but that was about 2 cars.

[blk02ws6vert]

Someone said they raced an '00 Cobra. There were no '00 Cobra's, except for the '00 Cobra R. I am going to add this breakdown and I would appreciate everyone's opinion. Don't hesitate to disagree, or agree!

93 Cobra, only FOX-body COBRA, (COLLECTOR's ITEM)
93 Cobra R, only like 107 made (ULTRA-SUPER RARE)
94-95 Cobra's, slow pigs
95 Cobra R 5.8L 300 HP/365TQ (only 250 made, ULTRA-RARE, 13.8 1/4 mile)
96-98 Cobra's, 1st year DOHC, need gears and full bolt-ons to be NASTY
99 Cobra kinda NASTY
00 Cobra R, 5.4L DOHC 385HP/385TQ (only 300 made, ULTRA-RARE, REAL FUCK*N NASTY)
01 Cobra pretty NASTY
03-04 Cobra REAL FUCK*N NASTY
07 Shelby GT500 Cobra, promises to be REAL FUCK*N SUPER NASTY

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every bat

- Sun Tzu
why worry about a newer mach 1? the fastest ones i seen stock ran 14.0-14.4 :hahano:

[Roastem]

why worry about a newer mach 1? the fastest ones i seen stock ran 14.0-14.4 :hahano:

The title of this thread is "When Racing Cobra's."

When somebody says they raced a '99 Mach 1, then I will post a thread for Mach 1's. Ummmmkaay?

[jb'sWS6]

Hurtindude... you were right. I was talking to one of my friends and found out that he broke one of his halfshafts. Says it "broke a tooth?". Mean anything to you? His plan is to put a live rear in it and pull out the IRS. I have always been diehard GM but his car sounds wicked as hell and I respect the hell out of anything fast.:notworthy: I didn't think anything could beat a Chevy (little brand loyalty going on) and got my ass handed to me by a 67 Dart with a 440. 10 car lengths and he came from behind! :flex: Learned a lesson that day.

[TwIzZtEd]

Cobra's = weak sauce babeee! They can be fast for what they are, but they are not anything but prey.

[illcul8troffcr]

heres one of the elusive 2000 Cobras for sale if interested

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-Mustang-Cobra-R_W0QQitemZ130018473931QQihZ003QQcategoryZ6236QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://i21.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/db/4a/6d_3.JPG

[Corona-Extra]

only mustang i wouldn’t be ashamed to be seen in......

[Vols Fan]

I had a 97 that had homemade ram air, timing adjustor, ud puilles, h pipe, an Magnaflow exhaust. The best 1/8 mile I ever turned 8.5 so not bad for a few bolt ons.

[Roastem]

only mustang i wouldn’t be ashamed to be seen in......

Tell me about it...that R-model is so frickin SWEET!

[predator]

I beg to differ, sir! I raced an 03 Cobra at the track and beat it when my car was stock! He was a good driver. Of course I only beat it by .18 of a second, but that was about 2 cars.

what mods? they are 390 hp... prolly more like 350 to the ground... and the same weight, if not lighter than you are (depends on vert or hard top)... i test drove a vert Term a few weekends ago (it was pullied with cat back ill give you that), but that was a NASTY son of a bitch... im not saying srt 8 sedan nasty... im saying outright SKANKY bitch... it scared me more than a head, cam, intake ws6 i drove in the rain a few months back... thing was fuggin bad...

to tell you the honest truth i was gonna trade my vette in for it, but they wouldnt deal with me on it they had a price they wanted and wouldnt come down to get it to a straight across trade... hmmm ok so its a stang, but its a vert that has 4 seats... and it will smoke... and i mean SMOKE my vette... yeah ill take that...

are you sure you werent up against a 99/01? i mean you may be the exact reason for this thread...

-me

edit: yeah i see now you say when my car was stock... i call BS... if it was a term he spun through the first 3 gears... a stock term will hand you your ass and its really really really hard to find one that doesnt atleas have a pulley, full exhaust and a tune... and with that simple stuff they are more like 400 rwhp... you lined up a new edge... not a term i assure you...

[cam02ss]

what mods? they are 390 hp... prolly more like 350 to the ground... and the same weight, if not lighter than you are (depends on vert or hard top)... i test drove a vert Term a few weekends ago (it was pullied with cat back ill give you that), but that was a NASTY son of a bitch... im not saying srt 8 sedan nasty... im saying outright SKANKY bitch... it scared me more than a head, cam, intake ws6 i drove in the rain a few months back... thing was fuggin bad...

to tell you the honest truth i was gonna trade my vette in for it, but they wouldnt deal with me on it they had a price they wanted and wouldnt come down to get it to a straight across trade... hmmm ok so its a stang, but its a vert that has 4 seats... and it will smoke... and i mean SMOKE my vette... yeah ill take that...

are you sure you werent up against a 99/01? i mean you may be the exact reason for this thread...

-me

edit: yeah i see now you say when my car was stock... i call BS... if it was a term he spun through the first 3 gears... a stock term will hand you your ass and its really really really hard to find one that doesnt atleas have a pulley, full exhaust and a tune... and with that simple stuff they are more like 400 rwhp... you lined up a new edge... not a term i assure you...

so then explain to me why when i raced my one buddie's 04 cobra making 485/527 to the wheels pullied, tuned, exhaust, etc. to my 400/366 cam only SS i edged him out on the first race and was dead even with him the 2nd run? you can search for that post as well if you'd like. it's an older one but should still be in this section.

[nikos95]

Like I said before you want to compete with a Cobra, just take it to some corners, and make sure you can drive your car. You will beat them every time! *under the circumstance you can drive your car equally or better then they can driver theirs*

Beyond that, be prepared to get a good race, people don't build gt's too much , they build cobras. And I can say that having alot of friends who are big Mustang fans, and are involved in alot of racing with them. My best line, is too bad you wont ever catch me top end, and you wont touch me on a autox tack. :) They admit it, have a laugh and tell me to drag them.....

[nikos95]

so then explain to me why when i raced my one buddie's 04 cobra making 485/527 to the wheels pullied, tuned, exhaust, etc. to my 400/366 cam only SS i edged him out on the first race and was dead even with him the 2nd run? you can search for that post as well if you'd like. it's an older one but should still be in this section.

Very simple, not only do you weigh a few hundred lbs less, the Fbodies do pull a bit harder in low gears, where we lose it is the 2nd-3rd shift. I have read this many times in articles comparing the two cars. Try to get one already doing 70-80mph, and see where you land, back a few car lengths within a few seconds.

[nikos95]

edit: yeah i see now you say when my car was stock... i call BS... if it was a term he spun through the first 3 gears... a stock term will hand you your ass and its really really really hard to find one that doesnt atleas have a pulley, full exhaust and a tune... and with that simple stuff they are more like 400 rwhp... you lined up a new edge... not a term i assure you...

Not a term, or simply a bad shifter, thats the only explinations. Factory they will keep up with a Z06 on the strip, and our factory f-bodies can't touch them with a good driver. So either it wasn't a Eaton Blown 4.6L and a 6spd, or it was a bad driver.

I drove a guys '03 when I lived in Colorado, he let me drive it after I raced him in my gf's STI, that car was something else! Trust me if anything gave me any level of respect for the Mustang again, that was it right there. Granted they said they couldn't build it and keep it n/a which give me a look down on it, or more so on the ability of the 4.6L. But that car is straight whiplash. FYI his was completely stock yet.

[Roastem]

I raced one with a 2.73, a loud exhaust, from 80 to 140 like three times on the highway. (supposedly this is like 450 plus rwhp)

RESULTS: DEAD EVEN

And I got 372/367.

How does that work into your theory nikos?

The guy seemed absolutely astonished that I even hung with him???

[Roastem]

Not a term, or simply a bad shifter, thats the only explinations. Factory they will keep up with a Z06 on the strip, and our factory f-bodies can't touch them with a good driver. So either it wasn't a Eaton Blown 4.6L and a 6spd, or it was a bad driver.


Motor Trend tested a stock 03 vette vs. a stock 03 cobra, and the vette barely edged the 03 in the 1/4. That wasn't a Z06 though. The Z06 is lighter than the regular one with about 50 or more ponies. So how do you figure?

[nikos95]

Motor Trend tested a stock 03 vette vs. a stock 03 cobra, and the vette barely edged the 03 in the 1/4. That wasn't a Z06 though. The Z06 is lighter than the regular one with about 50 or more ponies. So how do you figure?

Ohh my mistake, I could have swore the article said the Z06. Read it last night, lack of sleep for 3 days lol. But if I am correct they were still saying what almost 12 flat on the '03 Cobra, like 12.2 or soemthing like that?

[nikos95]

I raced one with a 2.73, a loud exhaust, from 80 to 140 like three times on the highway. (supposedly this is like 450 plus rwhp)

RESULTS: DEAD EVEN

And I got 372/367.

How does that work into your theory nikos?

The guy seemed absolutely astonished that I even hung with him???

I would say supposedly he doesn't know how much power he has, and his gears are a little to wide for his own good. 2.73s, maybe if he wants to top out at 200+.

[Roastem]

I would say supposedly he doesn't know how much power he has, and his gears are a little to wide for his own good. 2.73s, maybe if he wants to top out at 200+.

He didn't know the rwhp, so yeah, I think he prolly had some kind of mail order chip or sumthin'. Plus, it was spewin' carbon when he punched it, like the A/F mixture wasn't right. :thinkin:

[Roastem]

Ohh my mistake, I could have swore the article said the Z06. Read it last night, lack of sleep for 3 days lol. But if I am correct they were still saying what almost 12 flat on the '03 Cobra, like 12.2 or soemthing like that?

I think Evan Smith from MM&FF got a stock one to go 12.5 or sumthin'? Yeah, somewhere in the low/mid 12's. Impressive, for sure.

[nikos95]

He didn't know the rwhp, so yeah, I think he prolly had some kind of mail order chip or sumthin'. Plus, it was spewin' carbon when he punched it, like the A/F mixture wasn't right. :thinkin:

Lol ya thats not too pretty.... Should reall focus on a good tune. A guy from around here had a '05 GTO, it was running way way rich from the factory for who knows why, after a good dyno tune, he gained like 90rwhp, and 10 or so mpg, in completely stock form...

[cam02ss]

Very simple, not only do you weigh a few hundred lbs less, the Fbodies do pull a bit harder in low gears, where we lose it is the 2nd-3rd shift. I have read this many times in articles comparing the two cars. Try to get one already doing 70-80mph, and see where you land, back a few car lengths within a few seconds.

not only did his car weigh in less than mine, a kid who i ran into saturday night with an 03 cobra weighed in less than mine also. 3500 something to my 3600 something. i dunno where your car "loses it" but mine certainly doesn't lose anything in the 2nd 3rd shift. out of curiosity..how would you call that racing from 80 mph..besides NASCAR..which this isn't. go from a dig or a 1st gear roll if you have to. i don't doubt that they would be more in their prime up top.

[nikos95]

not only did his car weigh in less than mine, a kid who i ran into saturday night with an 03 cobra weighed in less than mine also. 3500 something to my 3600 something. i dunno where your car "loses it" but mine certainly doesn't lose anything in the 2nd 3rd shift. out of curiosity..how would you call that racing from 80 mph..besides NASCAR..which this isn't. go from a dig or a 1st gear roll if you have to. i don't doubt that they would be more in their prime up top.

I made a mistake there, that was for comparrison tests between the Z28 and the Mach1, the Mach1 takes it on the 2-3 shift from the z28 on a series of runs.

And 3600 I am guessing you have a convertible?
And the 2003 Cobra coupe weighs in at 3665 bone stock,
3780 in a convertible, that puts the base model heavier than a stock coupe fbody, and same goes with comparrison of convertibles. Some of this was my mistake, in here, I had alot of things running in my head, and I think the 80mph part was from the Mach1 Mustang.

But as far as an 80mph race off, I have done them many times..
*all on closed circuits of course :angel: *

[predator]

so a non supercharged dohc 4.6 with 315 hp and a 5 speed will walk an ls1.... are we all clear that a 390 hp 6 speed supercharged 4.6 will blast past one?

and the curve argument? i dont get it... they are IRS... im not saying anything for sure because i havent seen skid pad results, but im pretty sure even a new edge will out handle a ws6...

-me

[cam02ss]

I made a mistake there, that was for comparrison tests between the Z28 and the Mach1, the Mach1 takes it on the 2-3 shift from the z28 on a series of runs.

And 3600 I am guessing you have a convertible?
And the 2003 Cobra coupe weighs in at 3665 bone stock,
3780 in a convertible, that puts the base model heavier than a stock coupe fbody, and same goes with comparrison of convertibles. Some of this was my mistake, in here, I had alot of things running in my head, and I think the 80mph part was from the Mach1 Mustang.

But as far as an 80mph race off, I have done them many times..
*all on closed circuits of course :angel: *

nope, i have a coupe..then again i've never weighed mine so i actually have no idea what it weighs. i was told by many people that they weigh anywhere from mid 3500s-3700 something. so my mistake there. maybe that guy got luck then? he just told me that it weighed around 3550 so maybe he was wrong.

as for the mach..im confused. are you saying that the mach or the z28 loses some ground on the 2nd-3rd shift?

[nikos95]

nope, i have a coupe..then again i've never weighed mine so i actually have no idea what it weighs. i was told by many people that they weigh anywhere from mid 3500s-3700 something. so my mistake there. maybe that guy got luck then? he just told me that it weighed around 3550 so maybe he was wrong.

as for the mach..im confused. are you saying that the mach or the z28 loses some ground on the 2nd-3rd shift?

It's something like on the 2-3 shift from the Z28 the mach takes the lead, and wins the 1/4 by around .1-.2 seconds I believe if I remember correctly. Its not alot, its just the closer gear ratios in the Z28 cost it the loss, thats the way they said it when they traded cars even the Mach1 still beat the ls1 Z28 in the 1/4mile.

[cam02ss]

ok, yea that makes sence

[preston1980]

Motor Trend tested a stock 03 vette vs. a stock 03 cobra, and the vette barely edged the 03 in the 1/4. That wasn't a Z06 though. The Z06 is lighter than the regular one with about 50 or more ponies. So how do you figure?[/QUOTE]

Also these cars were both convertables, if Im not mistaking.
More weight. I also think Motor trend is off on there numbers (example: The new article were they have the new GT 500 losing to a non zo6 vette, come on, MMFF got the GT 500 to 12.4, they only get it to 12.9 plus MMFF got the 03 cobra (stock) to a 12.7) Also the terminators will pull a .90 g on the corners, that is better than a ws6 and tied with 97-04 vette.

My 2003 cobra has waxed all the vettes Ive raced so far.
Including the 02 zo6. I have not raced a 06 zo6 yet, but have raced many 06 400 horse vettes. They always lose. Granted Ive only had my Terminator for 2 weeks. By the way, I love GM cars. I miss how it felt to sit down in my Trans Am, instead of up in the air, I am not confortable in my new Car, But it sure is fast, if you can reach third and fith gear without sitting up in your chair. I need a short throw shifter bad!

Mods include: 2.8 supercharger pulley, Sport Tuned- 14 pounds of boost, knn cone filter, no cats x pipe, flowmaster cat back, and oh yeah...... Chrome Cobra letters!! (thats good for at least 10 horses)