When Racing Cobra's, have your FACTS STRAIGHT!!

[Roastem]

Traitor! You went over to the DARK side! Go play on the stangboards!

That is an awful lot of races for having a car just two weeks.

With a modded 03, you should bust a stock 02 Z06. The 06 is a different story all together, he prolly has as many horses and about 500 less lbs. You outrun one of those with an 03, and you will have a real beast on your hands.

If the 06 has full-boltons and a cam, then you best be pushing 21# with a Kenne Bell.

[hurtindude]

Traitor! You went over to the DARK side! Go play on the stangboards!

That is an awful lot of races for having a car just two weeks.

With a modded 03, you should bust a stock 02 Z06. The 06 is a different story all together, he prolly has as many horses and about 500 less lbs. You outrun one of those with an 03, and you will have a real beast on your hands.

If the 06 has full-boltons and a cam, then you best be pushing 21# with a Kenne Bell.

not needed.. 15 pounds on a whipple is good for 589 or so RWHP. I don't know why people think you need to run crazy boost on these things. maybe on the factory blower, but when you get into larger blowers like whipples or KB. you don't need to run all that much boost to make power... like i said 15 pounds = 589 Hp at the rear wheels.

here is a clip
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/hissman/0/d4fbb581-578c-42e5-b663-f7f86484f863.htm

[Roastem]

Cam/bolt-on 06 Z06's are putting like 600 plus rwhp to the ground! N/A!!

You savin' up for a KB hurtindude?

If I had an 03, I would be drooling all over a KB for mine.

[hurtindude]

Cam/bolt-on 06 Z06's are putting like 600 plus rwhp to the ground! N/A!!

You savin' up for a KB hurtindude?

If I had an 03, I would be drooling all over a KB for mine.

nah i like the whipple more myself...


tax return this year i think one is gonna come on home to papa...

i wouldn't expect to play with a modded up z06 still yet. I saw one not too long ago....Damn 14" brakes, and calipers that look to be a foot long!!! they are all businazz...

maybe if i spent as much as a zo6 guy would. I mean i could buy my car, and mod it to hell just for what the vette costs.... but at the end of the day, he is in the vette and i am in the mustang even if it has a fancy snake on it.

[Roastem]

Actually, scratch that twin-scew crap, I would go for the Procharger! I heard those things are super nasty with a Procharger kit, and you can use the stock intercooler. I saw a dyno graph of one, and the torque curve looked just like the HP curve. That would help your launch and save your IRS from nasty torque hits.

[nikos95]

N/A > Forced

*No I am not some jacka** saying that N/A motors can produce more power*

[99 Formula]

so a non supercharged dohc 4.6 with 315 hp and a 5 speed will walk an ls1.... thats is total BS in my book..my formy ran 12.56 @ 110 with heddars and 373 gears..let the GTs come let the Cobras coem to hinesville..we have some LS1's down here that will hand out asswhippins with out fear...they kinda like cockroaches..they need to know their place in the food chain..

[hurtindude]

Actually, scratch that twin-scew crap, I would go for the Procharger! I heard those things are super nasty with a Procharger kit, and you can use the stock intercooler. I saw a dyno graph of one, and the torque curve looked just like the HP curve. That would help your launch and save your IRS from nasty torque hits.

there is a few more advantages as well... moving the blower off the top of the motor also helps reduce blower heat soak which increases power and snail blowers are more efficent. Plus since the blower is no longer bolted to the motor, you can run a knock sensor, if you have some sort of tuning solution that supports it. Most cobra guys run a haltech from what i see. Ford didn't run a knock sensor on the terminators because the blower made too much noise and confused the sensor causing false triggers thinking it was detecting knock, when it was really just blower noise.

I have seem some nice sheet metal intakes too to pair with that kit.

[hurtindude]

N/A > Forced

*No I am not some jacka** saying that N/A motors can produce more power*

That is your opinion, but if that were the case, I would imagine that top fuel drag cars wouldn't run blowers if N/A was so great.

all things considered, and all things the same... a blown motor will always make more power then a n/a motor of same specs.

And if n/a was so great, why is almost every diesel made turbo charged?

Forced induction has been around for a long time friend, if it wasn’t better, they would have stopped using it long ago… Remember it’s forced induction that allows the supra to make a 1000 RWHP on a 6 cylinder motor, same with the skyline. I don’t care how high your compression is you never make that power w/ out the blower. To get 1000 RWHP out of a n/a motor, you would need a big block with compression so high you would need a tractor trailer starter to crank it over,, then some laughing gas. Or you can have a 6 cylinder with a turbo that gets better gas mileage, allows you to adjust boost for fuel economy and less wear on the motor when you don’t need the power, where as that big block will always have high compression and suck gas faster then the Arabs can pump it.

If you wanted to make the argument that a 350 n/a ls1 is better then a turbo charged 4 banger, well then there can be some argument there. Still even then, I personally have a friend w/ a talon tsi that he expects to run 10s in that only has a tiny 4 popper w/ a big turbo and some laughing gas.

To make a blanket statement that n/a is always better then forced induction is simply not the case. All things being equal, forced induction is ALWAYS better.

[hurtindude]

so a non supercharged dohc 4.6 with 315 hp and a 5 speed will walk an ls1.... thats is total BS in my book..my formy ran 12.56 @ 110 with heddars and 373 gears..let the GTs come let the Cobras coem to hinesville..we have some LS1's down here that will hand out asswhippins with out fear...they kinda like cockroaches..they need to know their place in the food chain..

and i know some cars that would clean up any ls1 in your town.. what do you know about a 1980 toyota corolla that runs 8's at my local track. or another eagle talon tsi that runs 8s. 4 cylinders mind you...

point being, i don't care what you drive, there is always someone faster. i personally know a few 4 bangers that would clean up some many ls1 cars, and cobras.

[preston1980]

Traitor! You went over to the DARK side! Go play on the stangboards!

That is an awful lot of races for having a car just two weeks.

With a modded 03, you should bust a stock 02 Z06. The 06 is a different story all together, he prolly has as many horses and about 500 less lbs. You outrun one of those with an 03, and you will have a real beast on your hands.

If the 06 has full-boltons and a cam, then you best be pushing 21# with a Kenne Bell.

I am with the dark side now, but hey, The terminator is just a nice and fast car that is easy (I mean easy) to mod out. And yes that is alot of races for 2 weeks, My first race was on my test drive (one of those new cadillacs that looks like a vette) and I was sold then and there. Everyone one wants to race this car when Im out, even on my lunch break from work, its like they all have something to prove? Havent lost yet!! But Im looking for a new zo6 or a GT 500 to see how I do against some 500 horsepower rides.

I am slowly forgeting about my Trans Am, I might even get one of those personalized plates that says LS1 ETR or I8A VET or GM THIS, Something stupid like that.:seesaw:

Ford got it right with this car!! I'm very impressed, About time huh?

[Roastem]

I was thinking about going with SNK4DNR. Your on the menu now Preston!

haha

I was tempted to get one too. I had an 01 Cobra before my Z28, but I just didn't have the pocket change for an 03/04 at the time.

[cam02ss]

"If you wanted to make the argument that a 350 n/a ls1 is better then a turbo charged 4 banger, well then there can be some argument there. Still even then, I personally have a friend w/ a talon tsi that he expects to run 10s in that only has a tiny 4 popper w/ a big turbo and some laughing gas."


well hell i personally have an LS1 N/A thats capable of 10s that lacks a big tubo and laughing gas. some weight reduction and suspension work needed yet though

my next "project" will most likely be a 03-04 cobra.i can't argue that they are one bad ass car

as for those new Z06's..my dads on the list for an 07 and i would be more than willing to dump some of my own money into that just to see the gains from a cam/bolt ons,etc. he likes to keep his cars stock though:mad:

[Roastem]

well hell i personally have an LS1 N/A thats capable of 10s that lacks a big tubo and laughing gas. some weight reduction and suspension work needed yet though

as for those new Z06's..my dads on the list for an 07 and i would be more than willing to dump some of my own money into that just to see the gains from a cam/bolt ons,etc. he likes to keep his cars stock though:mad:

Maybe I can talk my pops into getting a new Z06! My pops used to drag race chevelles and such back in the day. He will prolly keep it stock too, he is out of that race car stage, unfortunately. Good thing though, stock is REAL FAST! Can you imagine how many people will just gawk at that beast when you are rolling around?

cam02ss, I just did a big weight reduction on my Z too. I took the entire interior out, and got rid of everything that wasn't necessary. I took out the back seats, all the safety restraints for the back seats, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Dude, that carpet weighs a 100 lbs easy. About 80% of the weight is sound deadening and insulation. It is a real PITA to get all that stuff off the carpet though, some kind of crazy factory glue on there. I filled up a damn big black Hefty bag with the stuff. I got a huge pile of crap, including my 10" sub box and amplifier, that I am going to weigh. It has to be at least 200 lbs!

I still wanted it to look good though, for dates with hotties. So I left the plastic trim, and put that trunk flap back in there so you can't see the back where I took everything off. It almost looks like it came from the factory like that! Only thing though, where the bottom back seats are they cut the carpet for some kind of mount, and it sticks through on both sides.

If you have a power driver's seat, then there is another 20 or 30 lbs right there. I would like to find a gray leather passenger seat from somewhere, cause that thing is much lighter than that damn power seat. Or, I might just save up and get some Recaro seats!

[cam02ss]

Maybe I can talk my pops into getting a new Z06! My pops used to drag race chevelles and such back in the day. He will prolly keep it stock too, he is out of that race car stage, unfortunately. Good thing though, stock is REAL FAST! Can you imagine how many people will just gawk at that beast when you are rolling around?

cam02ss, I just did a big weight reduction on my Z too. I took the entire interior out, and got rid of everything that wasn't necessary. I took out the back seats, all the safety restraints for the back seats, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Dude, that carpet weighs a 100 lbs easy. About 80% of the weight is sound deadening and insulation. It is a real PITA to get all that stuff off the carpet though, some kind of crazy factory glue on there. I filled up a damn big black Hefty bag with the stuff. I got a huge pile of crap, including my 10" sub box and amplifier, that I am going to weigh. It has to be at least 200 lbs!

I still wanted it to look good though, for dates with hotties. So I left the plastic trim, and put that trunk flap back in there so you can't see the back where I took everything off. It almost looks like it came from the factory like that! Only thing though, where the bottom back seats are they cut the carpet for some kind of mount, and it sticks through on both sides.

If you have a power driver's seat, then there is another 20 or 30 lbs right there. I would like to find a gray leather passenger seat from somewhere, cause that thing is much lighter than that damn power seat. Or, I might just save up and get some Recaro seats!

yea taking the rear seats out and installing the seat delete kit is in the works..my friend has an extra set that he is selling me. taking all that sound deadening insulation out is going to be another major project also.

my dad used to have muscle cars back in the day also...had a '69 stingray and a couple of goats and then a few years ago had a couple C5's. if i could talk him into it i'd part out the mods on my SS and then sell the car to buy a twin turbo system for the Z06. that would be sickening.

[nikos95]

That is your opinion, but if that were the case, I would imagine that top fuel drag cars wouldn't run blowers if N/A was so great.

all things considered, and all things the same... a blown motor will always make more power then a n/a motor of same specs.

And if n/a was so great, why is almost every diesel made turbo charged?

Forced induction has been around for a long time friend, if it wasn’t better, they would have stopped using it long ago… Remember it’s forced induction that allows the supra to make a 1000 RWHP on a 6 cylinder motor, same with the skyline. I don’t care how high your compression is you never make that power w/ out the blower. To get 1000 RWHP out of a n/a motor, you would need a big block with compression so high you would need a tractor trailer starter to crank it over,, then some laughing gas. Or you can have a 6 cylinder with a turbo that gets better gas mileage, allows you to adjust boost for fuel economy and less wear on the motor when you don’t need the power, where as that big block will always have high compression and suck gas faster then the Arabs can pump it.

If you wanted to make the argument that a 350 n/a ls1 is better then a turbo charged 4 banger, well then there can be some argument there. Still even then, I personally have a friend w/ a talon tsi that he expects to run 10s in that only has a tiny 4 popper w/ a big turbo and some laughing gas.

To make a blanket statement that n/a is always better then forced induction is simply not the case. All things being equal, forced induction is ALWAYS better.

More or less what I meant, is Ford wanted to take the blower off the 4.6 for the Cobra, but realized they couldn't really do it and get the kinda power they wanted. More or less saying that a motor that can kick 900 n/a is a better start motor *Generally* than a forced motor that kicks 1000. I know that turbo's and such have been around for a long long time. And I love them all to death!

[BlackZ28629]

hmmm. and here I thought this was ls1.com not p****mustang.com.........:brick:
Stock n/a cobras are slow as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They will not walk an Ls1; period.
S/c cobras are slow too.......go to fords forum and brag about that bulls*** car. Shut up and race...stop reading magazines and specs...the real test is out on the street. See ya there mustangs...cobras....SVTs.....

[Fedge]

I was at ETown one crisp April '02 evening when I saw a grey Mustang with a funny looking front bumper all by itself in the staging lanes where the race cars usuallly go. I see a short guy with glasses that looks familiar to me pull around the wall to the lights and stage. I can barely hear this Stang idle, has some nice wheels, but I can't get close enough to see what it is...

next thing I know, it pulls a 12.0x@116. on F1s.

I go over to it and now I remember where I've seen this guy...it's Evan Smith...in a pre-release 03 Cobra. I asked what he did to it. He said 'Lightning pully, that's it...no exhaust, stock paper filter and the F1s, not bad huh? But don't say anything because we're doing an article and I can't have this thing all over the web'

at that moment, i knew I wanted an 03 Cobra...the times I saw come from less than 500 bux in mods floored me, still do...
I take my hat off to the Terminators...


on a side note...don't the 79 Turbo Cobras and the 82 5.0 Cobras count as Fox-based Cobras?

oh and the Mustang GT is the Cobra in Australia, so yeah they have an 00, lol

[Roastem]

yea taking the rear seats out and installing the seat delete kit is in the works..my friend has an extra set that he is selling me. taking all that sound deadening insulation out is going to be another major project also.

my dad used to have muscle cars back in the day also...had a '69 stingray and a couple of goats and then a few years ago had a couple C5's. if i could talk him into it i'd part out the mods on my SS and then sell the car to buy a twin turbo system for the Z06. that would be sickening.

Oh damn, twin turbo's on an 06! That car would be SCARY fast dude. I have never ridden in a car with 1000 whp, but I am sure getting sideways at 125 mph BEFORE peak boost hits would be a hair-raising experience. Talk about a rocket, just call me Wiley Coyote!

That car would make you sh*t your pants and wet thyself.

[hurtindude]

hmmm. and here I thought this was ls1.com not p****mustang.com.........:brick:
Stock n/a cobras are slow as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They will not walk an Ls1; period.
S/c cobras are slow too.......go to fords forum and brag about that bulls*** car. Shut up and race...stop reading magazines and specs...the real test is out on the street. See ya there mustangs...cobras....SVTs.....

i have raced plenty mind you... and have not lost to an LS1 yet.. mind you that may ruffle some feathers, but it is the truth... Now i am not talking about crazy built ls1 cars here, but many had all the basic bolt ons. I raced a near stock one, auto mind you, but the distance could be measured in bus legnths. You can claim driver, but it is hard to screw up that bad with an auto. I mean you have to be really bad... Maybe he was that bad, i dont know, i just know how far back he was when i hit 130 and laid off. No one is bragging, and if you pay attention there are plenty of ls1 owners that will tell you the 03/04 cobra is not slow...

I am one LS1 owner,,, well former LS1 owner that will tell you 03/04 cobras are NOT slow. Cobras of older years, well i will not argue with you on that. I would rather the LS1 myself, and that was exactly what i had until the terminators hit the streets.

if you think 03/04 cobras are slow, then race one... if you are near stock, or even have just the basic bolt ons i do not think you will win.. Not if the guy in the cobra can drive anyway. Thats even assuming the cobra is stock... and we all know... no one who buys cars like we all own... with big powerful loud gas burning machines of war under the hood, no one keeps them stock... Hell i had mods for my cobra on my floor in my 2nd beedroom before i even got the car home... I don't have anything crazy mind you either, but a 6 # lower pully commith soon, just need to save up the G-note for my tuning solution and 2 wide band O2s... I'm all set with these out of the box e-mail tunes most people run. thats how people blow motors. Plus my girl been buggin me to take a vacation,,, damn thats gonna hurt the cobra funds...

[cam02ss]

nope...03/04 cobra's aren't slow...why do you think as an LS1 owner i have it modded all to hell with a cam that the pistons had to be fly cut for to fit with my heads. :devil:

it's all fun and games in the end...there are wicked cobras out there just like there are wicked LS1's, etc.

[Roastem]

I am one LS1 owner,,, well former LS1 owner that will tell you 03/04 cobras are NOT slow. Cobras of older years, well i will not argue with you on that. I would rather the LS1 myself, and that was exactly what i had until the terminators hit the streets.


What did you have done to the LS1? Did you have it fully modded, heads, cam, etc.?

[hurtindude]

What did you have done to the LS1? Did you have it fully modded, heads, cam, etc.?

it had the basic bolt ons.. lid w/ k&n filter, cat back... replaced roller rockers (only cuz i had needle bearings in my oil! yeiks!!), gears and a shifter.. thats about it..

no heads, no cam, no weight reduction, no intake no nos, no forced induction...

[hurtindude]

I am with the dark side now, but hey, The terminator is just a nice and fast car that is easy (I mean easy) to mod out. And yes that is alot of races for 2 weeks, My first race was on my test drive (one of those new cadillacs that looks like a vette) and I was sold then and there. Everyone one wants to race this car when Im out, even on my lunch break from work, its like they all have something to prove? Havent lost yet!! But Im looking for a new zo6 or a GT 500 to see how I do against some 500 horsepower rides.

I am slowly forgeting about my Trans Am, I might even get one of those personalized plates that says LS1 ETR or I8A VET or GM THIS, Something stupid like that.:seesaw:

Ford got it right with this car!! I'm very impressed, About time huh?

damn your bitch got a nice squisher on her man... tap tap... :nana:

[Roastem]

it had the basic bolt ons.. lid w/ k&n filter, cat back... replaced roller rockers (only cuz i had needle bearings in my oil! yeiks!!), gears and a shifter.. thats about it..

no heads, no cam, no weight reduction, no intake no nos, no forced induction...

Maybe you would have a different opinion if you would have fully modded it. 120 more rwhp tends to do that to ya! :yup:

[hurtindude]

Maybe you would have a different opinion if you would have fully modded it. 120 more rwhp tends to do that to ya! :yup:

i am sure... the thing was no fun to work on though, even for a basic tune up... i am used to easier stuff i guess... i used to own a 91 LX 5.0 and you don't get any easier then that... my cobra is fairly simple and straight forward as well...

i know they stuff the motor in there like they do for weight distribution, god knows they had room to move it forward more if they wanted too.

thats why i was put off by the idea of heads, because they look like a nightmare to get off w/ the engine in the car since more then half the motor is in under the firewall.

someone once told me you can't ge tthe rear head bolts out because they hit the firewall, and you lift the head off the block w/ the bolts unscrewed but still in the head... has to go back in same way.

i don't know, never tried, just what i heard.

[Roastem]

I just did a head swap on my Z the last couple weeks. I prolly told you about that already. I had a lot of stuff to do, so it has taken about 2 10 hr Saturdays, and about 4 or 5 2/3 hr after-work days. And a whole lot of bread.

Hell, I am just now getting to the damn blown slave, and that was the reason I parked it!!!

That trans is proving to be the biggest headache of all, just cause I don't have the proper workplace. Heads weren't that bad, except I had two rear bolts on the driver's side that acted like the threads were stripped or sumthin'. I think it was cause GM put some dried loctite garbage on there, and caused a seal, so as the bolt was going down it was compressing the chamber, instead of allowing air to pass. Hope I don't get a nasty coolant leak. I will be real f*k'n MAD. :cuss:

Otherwise, the head swap wasn't that bad. I put the cam in there too, it wasn't too bad either. That damn tranny is longer than the driveshaft, seems like. Looks real heavy. I am going to have to dead lift it to get it back in, and I am not looking forward to lining up the input shaft, dead lifting it, AND trying to get a bolt in her p*ssy at the same time.

Gonna be like givin' to a woman and :lick: at the same time. REAL FRICKIN HARD!!! haha

You wanna help hurtindude, I'll buy the beer!!!

[Pumped03]

so a non supercharged dohc 4.6 with 315 hp and a 5 speed will walk an ls1.... thats is total BS in my book..my formy ran 12.56 @ 110 with heddars and 373 gears..let the GTs come let the Cobras coem to hinesville..we have some LS1's down here that will hand out asswhippins with out fear...they kinda like cockroaches..they need to know their place in the food chain..

Lame.

[Pumped03]

hmmm. and here I thought this was ls1.com not p****mustang.com.........:brick:
Stock n/a cobras are slow as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They will not walk an Ls1; period.
S/c cobras are slow too.......go to fords forum and brag about that bulls*** car. Shut up and race...stop reading magazines and specs...the real test is out on the street. See ya there mustangs...cobras....SVTs.....

Only a chicken crap races on the street. Take it to the track. Or are ye skeeeerd.

I owned 99 and 01 Cobras and with bolt-ons including 4.10's they'll give a bolt-on LS1 all they can handle.

S/c cobras are slow too

I'm real impressed.

[Pumped03]

Cam/bolt-on 06 Z06's are putting like 600 plus rwhp to the ground! N/A!!

You savin' up for a KB hurtindude?

If I had an 03, I would be drooling all over a KB for mine.

A Whipple is 2.3 ltr compared to a 2.2 for the older KB's for 03's like I run. The Whipple will make more power at less revs. KB does have a 2.4 and just came out with a 2.6 ltr.

[Pumped03]

Actually, scratch that twin-scew crap, I would go for the Procharger! I heard those things are super nasty with a Procharger kit, and you can use the stock intercooler. I saw a dyno graph of one, and the torque curve looked just like the HP curve. That would help your launch and save your IRS from nasty torque hits.

I'd like to see that link. All I have seen at 20 psi are nowhere near a screw blower on torque. Mine makes 580 rwt well below 4k rpm. If you seen a PC making 580 he had to be pushing well over 25 psi. That's one reason not many run a PC on an 03/04. To get the low end you have to pump a lot of air through it. I'm talking about a street driveable car with the stock bottom end. At 25 psi the bottom end will fall out of an 03 eventually.

[Roastem]

I'd like to see that link. All I have seen at 20 psi are nowhere near a screw blower on torque. Mine makes 580 rwt well below 4k rpm. If you seen a PC making 580 he had to be pushing well over 25 psi. That's one reason not many run a PC on an 03/04. To get the low end you have to pump a lot of air through it. I'm talking about a street driveable car with the stock bottom end. At 25 psi the bottom end will fall out of an 03 eventually.

I meant the SLOPE of the curve. Screw type superchargers make massive low-end torque, but the curve decreases, or stays pretty much flat, with RPM's. With centrifugals the low end torque is not impressive, but it improves with rpm, like the hp curve.

That is a sweet time on that Cobra by the way.

04 with Procharger, note the torque curve increases with engine speed.

http://www.mustangmuscleonline.com/FeatureRide3.aspx

I am sure you have seen thousands of 03 roots graphs where the torque curve skyrockets then levels and decreases with RPM. No need to even give a link.

Also, check out where a Z06 with a twin turbo set at 15 psi MADE MORE POWER than an 03 twin turbo at 16 psi.

Chalk one up for the 2V LS6 engine vs. the "boost-friendly" 4V Cobra.
http://www.turbochargedpower.com/

BTW, I never said the Procharger would make more torque, I said it would RESEMBLE the HP curve.

[hurtindude]

I meant the SLOPE of the curve. Screw type superchargers make massive low-end torque, but the curve decreases, or stays pretty much flat, with RPM's. With centrifugals the low end torque is not impressive, but it improves with rpm, like the hp curve.

That is a sweet time on that Cobra by the way.

04 with Procharger, note the torque curve increases with engine speed.

http://www.mustangmuscleonline.com/FeatureRide3.aspx

I am sure you have seen thousands of 03 roots graphs where the torque curve skyrockets then levels and decreases with RPM. No need to even give a link.

Also, check out where a Z06 with a twin turbo set at 15 psi MADE MORE POWER than an 03 twin turbo at 16 psi.

Chalk one up for the 2V LS6 engine vs. the "boost-friendly" 4V Cobra.
http://www.turbochargedpower.com/

BTW, I never said the Procharger would make more torque, I said it would RESEMBLE the HP curve.


our cobras have no umph with less then 4Gs on the tach anyway.. so for me, a twin screw vs a procharger isn't a desision made based upon low end torque.

i personally like the prochargers more because of less heat soak compaired to any charger on top of the motor, of the factory "heaton", and they are more efficent..

i am with roastem on this one, procharger all the way.

As for the Z06 making more power... well thats to be expected at similar boost levels... more displacement.. and we all know the tried and true saying that there is no replacement for displacement... Z06 also has much higher compression, which gives additional power as well. The 4v cobra is designed for boost w/ 4v and low compression... so rather then displacement and compression, you add more boost and fuel... thats your power adder...

at some point you are going to start to grenade things, but that is true on any car.

[Edgar Limon]

I need a supercharger i am getting beat by cars that have turbo a mustang GT had a turbo and did not tell me and smoked me he ran 12.5 and i ran 13.8. I hate cobras one beat me in quater mile he ran 13.1 and i ran 13.5. How embarrasing i lost to 2 mustangs.

[Pumped03]

I meant the SLOPE of the curve. Screw type superchargers make massive low-end torque, but the curve decreases, or stays pretty much flat, with RPM's. With centrifugals the low end torque is not impressive, but it improves with rpm, like the hp curve.

That is a sweet time on that Cobra by the way.

04 with Procharger, note the torque curve increases with engine speed.

http://www.mustangmuscleonline.com/FeatureRide3.aspx

I am sure you have seen thousands of 03 roots graphs where the torque curve skyrockets then levels and decreases with RPM. No need to even give a link.

Also, check out where a Z06 with a twin turbo set at 15 psi MADE MORE POWER than an 03 twin turbo at 16 psi.

Chalk one up for the 2V LS6 engine vs. the "boost-friendly" 4V Cobra.
http://www.turbochargedpower.com/

BTW, I never said the Procharger would make more torque, I said it would RESEMBLE the HP curve.

Torque gets you off the line(ET) and HP gets you down the track(speed). A roots blower will not drop off that much. I'll try to post a link to my Eaton and KB dyno sheets. It's the area under the curve that makes a good race car and getting that torque down low improves that greatly.

For a daily driver, you can't beat a roots blower especially stop light to stop light although I won't street race. Usually if someone messes with me I can give the car 3/4 throttle in third at 60 mph and it will roast the tires but I'm also running a 3.90 gear. That's my limit of showing my ass. It usually sends most looking elsewhere.

I didn't read your link but it isn't an apples/apples comparison. To begin with, if you put forced induction on a car with 10.5 CR then it will make more power per pound of boost compared to an engine with 8.5:1 like the 03 Cobra. And it will be making more junk per pound of boost when the pistons melt. FI needs 8.5 CR or less. Anything over that is not good especially appoaching 10:1. Like I said, I didn't read your link so I don't know what each engine has done to it or size in CI's. But, I will tell you this, a 281 four valve engine will make more power than a 350 2v push rod engine at the same boost levels because of the heads on the 4v. The owner of Accufab runs a basic 281 4V with twin turbos and he's running over 200 in NMRA.

[Pumped03]

This is my last dyno with the Eaton using a chiller I made for the IC. It dyno'd about as high as any stock unported Eaton I've seen. The curves are on seprate graphs but you can still see all the area under the curve and how raising torque down low increase that area. It means the amount of work it does. HP is work. The torque may have dropped off but at 5000 RPM it's HP that is getting the car down the track at speed.

http://www.digistash.com/data/d64a340bcb633f536d56e51874281454/full_448_p1856.jpg

This is with the KB and a crappy tune. It runs pig rich at high RPM's but it's safe. This is about the same boost as the Eaton graph above around 19 psi. You can see the difference in parasitic loss of roots versus screw. If you look at a PC, the torque will lessen the area under the curve. You'd have to really up the boost to run with a KB. A PC at 19 psi on an 03 will lose badly to an 03 with a KB at the same boost.

http://www.digistash.com/data/d64a340bcb633f536d56e51874281454/448_p63917.jpg

[Roastem]

But, I will tell you this, a 281 four valve engine will make more power than a 350 2v push rod engine at the same boost levels because of the heads on the 4v.

Displacement doesn't mean anything? Your spicket might be a little bigger, but your bucket is 20% smaller.

That LS6 engine had head work done and low compression pistons, if I am not mistaken.

LS series heads that have port work and big valves can flow a massive amount of air. Vipers and Z06's both have 2V engines, the Cobra has a 4V and needs a supercharger to match their output?

How many N/A 281 cube 4V Cobra's have you seen that make 500 rwhp. Not too many, I gather. You can find Z06's all over putting that down.

Now if you had 351 cubes and a 4V motor, then you can start talkin' N/A turkey. I don't know why they haven't added big cubes to a 4V engine. I would love to see a 429 cu. in. 4V motor in a new Cobra. Add a supercharger to that baby and well...it will get ugly for the competition.

[cam02ss]

"How many N/A 281 cube 4V Cobra's have you seen that make 500 rwhp. Not too many, I gather. You can find Z06's all over putting that down."

Hell i have a hillbilly raggedy ass 347 camaro and its putting down damn near that N/A

[dandylion]

Hey Roastem, sorry to get off toipc here but... that looks like a big ass catfish on your avatar. How big was it?

[Marc87GN]

I need a supercharger i am getting beat by cars that have turbo a mustang GT had a turbo and did not tell me and smoked me he ran 12.5 and i ran 13.8. I hate cobras one beat me in quater mile he ran 13.1 and i ran 13.5. How embarrasing i lost to 2 mustangs.

If he had a turbocharged Mustang and only ran a 12.5, he should be shot. My turbocharged 99 GT ran a well documented 10.92 on the bone stock longblock & pump gas. I had a great setup and DFI tuned by Job Spetter Jr. but 12.5 I hope was at 6 psi or less. Then it would make sense.

Hell, my little 231 ci(Now built 235) would run that with $300 in mods. Don't be embarrassed, I killed many unsuspecting GM vehicles with my GT. My GN is well built also and I spared a C5 today that was screwing with me. Getting older and having a son has calmed me down I guess.

[SDMForever]

Who gives a fuck anyways. Get a stroker a watch the highschool kids in there really fuckin nasty cobras from your rearview mirror. lol

[Pumped03]

Displacement doesn't mean anything? Your spicket might be a little bigger, but your bucket is 20% smaller.

That LS6 engine had head work done and low compression pistons, if I am not mistaken.

LS series heads that have port work and big valves can flow a massive amount of air. Vipers and Z06's both have 2V engines, the Cobra has a 4V and needs a supercharger to match their output?

How many N/A 281 cube 4V Cobra's have you seen that make 500 rwhp. Not too many, I gather. You can find Z06's all over putting that down.

Now if you had 351 cubes and a 4V motor, then you can start talkin' N/A turkey. I don't know why they haven't added big cubes to a 4V engine. I would love to see a 429 cu. in. 4V motor in a new Cobra. Add a supercharger to that baby and well...it will get ugly for the competition.

Um, we were talking about power adders and now you are talking about NA? A 281 4V will makes just as much power as a 351 2v equal amounts of boost. You say a 2v head can flow massive amounts of air? You don't think 4v heads can't be modified?

You bring up cars with 350-440 cubic inches and then say the 281 needs a supercharger. What kind of comparison is that? Z06's and Vipers aint nuthin special. I don't street race but I've worn my share of cars out on the track and I didn't hear anyone complaining about my blower. I've watched my buddy in his 03 from behind wear out more Vipers and Z06's around Charlotte, NC than I can remember. It's pretty funny after they back off after they've had enough and I catch up. I always slow and pull right up beside them so I can see the stupid look on their silly faces. It's always this "Damn, WTF jsut happened. I thought I had a fast car".

You are not going to find any pre-C6 Z06's with basic bolt-ons making anywhere near 500 HP less nitrous.

The Ford GT and the new Shelby are 5.4 4v's. Haven't you heard? Looks like the Shelby with basic tuning on the stock air box and exhaust they are making almost 500 rwhp. Too bad Ford didn't put a screw on it instead of the Eaton. The Ford GT is making near 550 rwhp bone stock. There's no need to go any bigger.

[Pumped03]

Who gives a fuck anyways. Get a stroker a watch the highschool kids in there really fuckin nasty cobras from your rearview mirror. lol

Time slip or do you just talk crap and street race?

[Roastem]

Um, we were talking about power adders and now you are talking about NA?

I just rambled on, my bad.

A 281 4V will makes just as much power as a 351 2v equal amounts of boost. You say a 2v head can flow massive amounts of air? You don't think 4v heads can't be modified?

Yes they can be modified, and 4V will always be better than 2V, all other things being EQUAL. (displacement, port work, etc.)

You bring up cars with 350-440 cubic inches and then say the 281 needs a supercharger. What kind of comparison is that?

Adding a supercharger is kinda like adding displacement.

Z06's and Vipers aint nuthin special.

I bet there are a few that would put a your 03 in the rear view. You will run into one sooner or later.

You are not going to find any pre-C6 Z06's with basic bolt-ons making anywhere near 500 HP less nitrous.

I assumed a cam and all the basic bolt-ons. But I didn't specify, sorry.

The Ford GT and the new Shelby are 5.4 4v's. Haven't you heard?

Those cars are expensive, plus they are like 327 cu. in., or somewhere in that range. I meant old school BIG cubes, at least 429 or so.

Looks like the Shelby with basic tuning on the stock air box and exhaust they are making almost 500 rwhp. Too bad Ford didn't put a screw on it instead of the Eaton. The Ford GT is making near 550 rwhp bone stock. There's no need to go any bigger.

Just a tune is putting these guys at 500 rwhp? That thing sounds wicked.

[SDMForever]

Time slip or do you just talk crap and street race?

Im in the nines...is that enough for you. What do you have? do you have anything?

[SDMForever]

The Ford GT is making near 550 rwhp bone stock. There's no need to go any bigger.[/QUOTE]

always gotta go bigger

[Roastem]

Bigger is better, just ask the g/f. :yup:

Big ole fat pappa sausage...they never forget ya, even if it don't work out!

:leghump: (hillbilly voice) cumere gurl, wur ya runnin to?

[hurtindude]

This is my last dyno with the Eaton using a chiller I made for the IC. It dyno'd about as high as any stock unported Eaton I've seen. The curves are on seprate graphs but you can still see all the area under the curve and how raising torque down low increase that area. It means the amount of work it does. HP is work. The torque may have dropped off but at 5000 RPM it's HP that is getting the car down the track at speed.

http://www.digistash.com/data/d64a340bcb633f536d56e51874281454/full_448_p1856.jpg

This is with the KB and a crappy tune. It runs pig rich at high RPM's but it's safe. This is about the same boost as the Eaton graph above around 19 psi. You can see the difference in parasitic loss of roots versus screw. If you look at a PC, the torque will lessen the area under the curve. You'd have to really up the boost to run with a KB. A PC at 19 psi on an 03 will lose badly to an 03 with a KB at the same boost.

http://www.digistash.com/data/d64a340bcb633f536d56e51874281454/448_p63917.jpg

i am still not convinced... procharger kits support 700 RWHP and i am not seeing those kind of numbers on your dyno sheets.

given the factory blower, a KB or a whipple make more torque below 4000 rpm... but that doesn't really mean anything too me. I launch at 3600 and i never see below 4000 for the entire race after that. Above 4,000 its all procharger.. And going down the strip, it's all over 4000...

for street driving i would get the KB or the whipple, or just keep factory blower.. but for the strip, you can't beat the pro charger, except with turbos

[SDMForever]

Pumped03 your sheets are not bad, i would like to race you, I only have had my engine dynoed before i put it in. I will do that soon but I do have a time slip. Ill have to dig it up. I wont even post what I ran without showing proof. For the sake of you saying Im full of shit. My stroker with my custom heads and big cam made 873 at the fly wheel. again I have not had it dynoed from the wheels since the new heads and shit. that 873 was with them just not rear wheel. i think i can put down some serious power running on my 9 inch and yes I am set up for boost. My Twins will go on later this month. Anyways nice sheets and maybe someday ill see you on the streets or on the track.

[Roastem]

Pumped03 your sheets are not bad, i would like to race you, I only have had my engine dynoed before i put it in. I will do that soon but I do have a time slip. Ill have to dig it up. I wont even post what I ran without showing proof. For the sake of you saying Im full of shit. My stroker with my custom heads and big cam made 873 at the fly wheel. again I have not had it dynoed from the wheels since the new heads and shit. that 873 was with them just not rear wheel. i think i can put down some serious power running on my 9 inch and yes I am set up for boost. My Twins will go on later this month. Anyways nice sheets and maybe someday ill see you on the streets or on the track.

Like I said, he just hasn't run into the right LSX yet. That is surprising considering the amount he SAID he went to the track. I have seen a few street/strip F-bods that would eat that Cobra up.

[SDMForever]

my 402 is getting hungry lol

[7camaro7]

The Ford GT is making near 550 rwhp bone stock. There's no need to go any bigger.

always gotta go bigger[/QUOTE]

X2 so if somebody has the same ride as you, you can stomp them too!:nana:

[SDMForever]

Fuck stock!!!

[hurtindude]

you know whipple makes a 5.0 liter twin screw blower... damn... brb... i gotta change my pants... just shit myself...

[SDMForever]

WTF did you really shit yourself?

[Roastem]

The dooky fairy hath visited thou...haha

[SDMForever]

did anyone see the race between the guy gz06 vs that punk 05 stang? It was supposed to happen last week on streetfire. I hop that vette can lock up it was pretty mean.

[hurtindude]

man i just saw... it is official... return of the camaro is due in 2009...

i am very happy. was sad to see it go... although for years i have always loved the t/a more then the camaro, i thought the camaro lacked style... but the concept firebird is ugly as sin. not even a mother could love that ugly ass face... about as pretty as that cat fish in roastem's sig... at first i didnt like the camaro either, but it's growing on me...

slap a LS6 in it, make it affordable (under 40K) and maybe i will ride a GM once again... Prolly not though,,, once i am out from under my car payment, i don't wanna get into another one.

[SDMForever]

they should do an ls2 in it. They could keep the price low enough.

[hurtindude]

i just took the plunge... i scored a deal today... i got a rear end out of a 2003 mach 1 mustang w/ 4,000 miles on it, complete for 350.00...

that irs is gettin the boot and i am swapping over to a solid... no more wheel hope over here...

[SDMForever]

wheel hop sucks!

[napper]

I need a supercharger i am getting beat by cars that have turbo a mustang GT had a turbo and did not tell me and smoked me he ran 12.5 and i ran 13.8. I hate cobras one beat me in quater mile he ran 13.1 and i ran 13.5. How embarrasing i lost to 2 mustangs.

read this and was lown away.

my 04 GTO stock with a stall, springs MT and 110 shot ran a 12.1 @112

i've since added heads cam headers ported intake and 90mm tb dropped the spray to 75.


honestly you must be at a high elevation...hell my 06 GTO with just and intake and and headers...ran an amazing 12.61 @ 114.
these stangs you are racing are putting shit numbers donw..i don't care about HP i found out with my 04 GTO it aint about those big dyno numbers..
hell my 06 is over 150hp stronger than my 04...wouldn't bet on it in a 0-100 race though.


you need to either imporove your driving....or add some mior mods while improving you driving.
at vette with dr's ..'ll put it into the 12's with.... a 2-3 bolt ons arounfd the garage..

cutouts
ghetto ram air
iat timing tricker.
12.80 on dr's

i think we get rattled when we race a stang ..we know we should win then blow it ( you know that funny feelingyou get right beore it goes down)

i always race my race...i never even look at the other car..i listen to it secondary to my own motor... and i know if i've won or lost by the shift into 3rd.

[2000T/A Guru]

I dont know how you guys think stock cobras are so crazy, most people run high 12s low 13s with stock 03 04 cobras, i ran a 12.8 with just headers, exhaust and a lid.

[blue02Z]

the first mustang a raced was a terminator when i was at the for the first time. the first race i ran a 8.8 and he an 8.1

[allbaugh_04]

How much power do I need to beat a covertible termi with 550hp. This guy won't quit bashing ls1s....I got the money but no know how. I think a cam and procharger could put me at 500 right and I think that could take him down. Maybe 7-8 grand? Probably need some suspension work...crap.

[BLKCLOUD]

Holy 12 month old thread, Batman!

...hell my 06 GTO with just and intake and and headers...ran an amazing 12.61 @ 114....

What was amazing about it?

[napper]

Holy 12 month old thread, Batman!



What was amazing about it?

NO TUNE!!!! on 275 140ugqt tires..sticky but far from drag tires..

and preiously i ran a 13.12

Amazing cause the quote i quoted was a vette guy getting nailed by a TURBO stang running 12.5........lol

my 04 ls1 with 100 shot no other mods ran a 12.1

[BLKCLOUD]

Nice run, but still don't see the amazing part. If you're proud of it....ok.

You said above that your 04 had a stall, springs, & a tire, in addition to the bottle.

Some friendly advice? Let others pat your back. Doesn't look real good when you do it to yourself.

IMHO.

[napper]

back in 03 i had a god bolt on auto ws6 with a 2800 stall and 3.73...this "terminator" folowed me though gas stations and parking lots.

so we finally, much to my shagrin lined up at the light.

powerbraked and took him by FIVE upto 110.....lol he felt like a shit then...and i had no cam, no headers no headwork..or nitrous/s/c.

Evan Smith ran this test with a slp ss and a "terminator' th ss caus it was loaded lost by .2

the problem is thee is something wrong with there balance......a 550 whp terminator...i'd love to run him in my 447 when cold Srt4.... n o fear but eithe r way i can lose....if i loe he beat a neo if i win a NEON beat him

[BLKCLOUD]

back in 03 i had a god bolt on auto ws6 with a 2800 stall and 3.73...this "terminator" folowed me though gas stations and parking lots.

so we finally, much to my shagrin lined up at the light.

powerbraked and took him by FIVE upto 110.....lol he felt like a shit then...and i had no cam, no headers no headwork..or nitrous/s/c.
The beauty of a stab-n-steer car. Especially on the street.

You beat the driver - not the car.

Evan Smith ran this test with a slp ss and a "terminator' th ss caus it was loaded lost by .2
I've known Evan Smith for years (even had a couple articles published in MM&FF). I'm familier with the article you're referring to. Don't remember the exact ETs. However, I can tell you that the best LS1 F-body ET from those guys (they also publish GMHTP) was a 12.89. The best 04 Cobra was 12.4x.

the problem is thee is something wrong with there balance...
It's a lot of power (relatively speaking) with a lot of weight on the front and not a lot of traction in the rear.

...a 550 whp terminator...i'd love to run him in my 447 when cold Srt4.... n o fear but eithe r way i can lose....if i loe he beat a neo if i win a NEON beat him
Ok. I've beaten cars that cost far more than mine and make far more HP. Not a big deal though.

[napper]

Bob

you always got to win.

i run 3 fun cars... .4 difference..not bad from memery

winning is winning........an auto win ...is a win.

You have not changed while i have..... so the 6 speed GTO and the 5 speed Srt4 don't count when they win.


i've been dragging for 15 years..


like i said your ego( not starting is amazing.) your Cobra al stripped and using everytrick you can...can not run the time you do on its street set up


leave me be..... i jut sold my 03 cobra 3 months ago. i loe merica and american/assui cars. care to compae the interiors of my built 06 with a n20 topper. Yes it beats cars costing 2-3 times as much...with lesss build quality

Perhaps that medical ship and life saving has given you a superior thouht process.

can i out drive you......i autocross, drag and drift..... i also tinker with bottle fed kawaski's

I know your rep.( the best)......yet i'm retired (43) and am not waiting for my death bed as my father did dying as a millionare.

winning is winning.....sorry the auto stalled fat ass GTO can haul some serious ass.
my 6 speed with rippshift, lous short stick and textralia clutch aint no slouch.....1.60 is farly consistant...... i go around the waterbox then back in, if the grass isn't wet


i'm no internet racer... i race for the sheer pleasure..the adrenaline
and the constnat learning of new skills
The Srt4 is so balanced that if you didn't know it was a NEON you'd applaud it for its cargo....handling. and general good looks...sans interior ...an acr is dead even with a m3 track edition.....ok 1/1000 off at willow springs ( with same driver)

i respect you....i expect the same...i' a car junkie with 2 degree's. i'm not some deep pocketed fool..my nails are dirty ..i'm vested in 2 speed shops

So in closing use your jedi mind trick on the weak minded. i bring 3 different types of driving styles.....3 cars that can interchnge

and from the posts back years ago......you patted yourself enough...with you "Cobra" times and internet police...or no internet racing.


from my opinion hih hp Terminators are a lessson in the laws of duminishing returns,.....ridle me this why does a GT500 do so poorly(magracing 12.7 and horrible handling and it ait a cheap car.

How about being friends?Since this is going souh quickly, i extend the olive brance .

Notice though i buy intermediate domestic cars...and you can drop quite a bit of weight on the GTO while maintainin M5 interior quality

[BLKCLOUD]

Ok - I apologize for my tone.

A win is a win, and I have nothing against an automatic (GM makes a fine one, Ford's suck). However, my point is that there is very little involved in racing an automatic.

What have I "not changed"? I didn't buy a GTO because it just didn't do it for me (weight was the final deciding factor), and I have no desire to buy anything FWD. Nothing new out there tickles my fancy (outside of the LS3 Vette....THAT is an awesome car for the $$$$).

Believe it or not, my 99 was a street car (and will continue to be). The only thing I did when I raced was change the tires/wheels (even though they were streetable too) and put a little air in the air bags. Thats it - honest injun. It had a very mild suspension, full interior (minus rear seats), and even the rollbar had removable swingouts. My fellow racer would often shake their heads in disgust when I'd pull up to the staging lanes with a CD blaring and the A/C blowin. :D

There's some shameless patting I guess.

I don't care for the GT500 - its a heavy pig. They have gone 12.2 bone stock, but that isn't common, and for 500 HP, I'm not impressed. FYI, I also had an 04 Cobra for a while. KB, live axle, etc. Sold it too. Now I'm back to my N/A 99.

Peace.

Bob

PS....I'll be 43 in about a month, and retire next summer. :D

[napper]

Cool!

i did alot of growing up in the years when we spoke.

i was all machine , no skill then.


Someday i tell you who i am.

with regard to GTO's and GT500's... well the first trick is if you wann go fast 1/4 mile in the Goat... AUTOMATIC.
i'm seriously putting down another 150 whp with my 6 speed....and the et difference is on avaerage .7 +/-

the GT 500 yeah i can see that time on DR"S .....but i've been up agaisnt them...other than there wine..i'm not intimidated.


Now you...
c'mon i've seen your ride....ok your right its not a total stripper.
but its lightweight

i remeber now..you were on the medical ship while i was hunting targets in Kuwait

hence our common age....i remeebr the day you got your son the Junior dragster.

Ok back to my GTO's . the 06 really built one.(self pat)...has lost about just ovr 200lbs...and the other will follow suit..

with a good deal of suspension work the 06 is a heavy go cart....easilyoutmatching a base c5 in all handling duties....though this is expensive hence why only the 06 has the fuol treatment while the 04 has your basics..and its a straightliner..

the ls3 vette is dead balls on... i think chevy is fuging again me thinks like 440 whp....0-60 uin under 4 seconds......his is the buy..with the z51 and some bolt ons and i see low 11's maybe even lower.


Now with regard to one of your comments FWD....yes lets try and see you sqeeeze out a low low 11 with a mid 400whp fwdriver...

now we are talking skill and talent.... and effcency to not get the job
done
i always respected you BC. because of the magic you had when in your Cobra (99)

my solution then and now is to drop a low low 2.73 gear in and see what happens to a 500whp terminator. ( i know) but then tweek it abit....

like 1rst gear is used at all in the 06 Gto or in the Srt4.

ole military dogs get up early iwas upp when you posted this morning.

have a good day.
and remeber i've changed immensly....one did the impossible..

later brother

[Musclefan21]

11.3@122mph upper only, non ported, no lower, full weight, 6-speed, IRS cobra here.

I only spent straight $1000 on mods.

here is the video:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/51b89566-77d5-4ae0-901f-99ad00c04a3c.htm

[Musclefan21]

How much power do I need to beat a covertible termi with 550hp. This guy won't quit bashing ls1s....I got the money but no know how. I think a cam and procharger could put me at 500 right and I think that could take him down. Maybe 7-8 grand? Probably need some suspension work...crap.

it will be tough. maybe twin turbo kit? or H/C/I + 200 shot (and then pray if the motor stays together)

[Roastem]

it will be tough. maybe twin turbo kit? or H/C/I + 200 shot (and then pray if the motor stays together)

Horse baloney, a trimmed HCI with a 200 shot will run high six's in the eighth. 11.3 with just a pulley, full weight, more horse baloney.

I have ran a couple guys with more mods than you, with no heads or nitrous and it was far from a whipping. Hung with one, and beat a Steigmeyer ported guy at the track, full weight on both. (he said his clutch slipped, and I think it did cause I could smell it, but he was a dumbass for racing on a questionable clutch IMO)

You think the guys on here have never raced an 03 before or sumthin'?

This thread is old as grandma's panties, and I was wrong on the ability of the GT500 stock. It turns out you would be better off getting an 03. (Which I think looks better)

[BLKCLOUD]

LOL. OMG. I know who you are now. :) I don't remember the username at the moment....but it will come to me.

A couple of things...chit-chat like....

I was never on any Medical Ship. All my sea time is on Man-O-Wars. During the Gulf War era (I didn't actually get over there till Dec of 01), I was on an old DDG and a Spruance Destroyer.

Evan Smith got the GT500 to go 12.2 bone stock. Granted, still doesn't do much for me, given it makes ~450 RWHP in bone stock trim, but that is what he was able to achieve (perhaps he or someone has gone quicker/faster by now, I don't know). Still, I wouldn't pay the bucks for one. Personal preference.

I'm quite familier with GM's excellent A4 (within reasonable HP limits). I agree that it is the ticket for either street or strip drag racing for the majority of folks.

My 99 certainly isn't heavy, but I was very picky about what I would and would not pull out, and it always has been a street car. The one thing that many folks wouldn't like about it is the current tranny (installed early in the 2004 NMRA season). It's a G-Force T5 (dog-ring, helical version). Fabulous shifting at the track, but much like a dumptruck tranny on the street. .59 5th gear makes the highway nice though.

FWD just isn't my thing. To each their own, and if you like it - cool. No disrespect intended.....just not my thing. :)

Good talking to ya....have a good day!
Bob

[Musclefan21]

Horse baloney, a trimmed HCI with a 200 shot will run high six's in the eighth. 11.3 with just a pulley, full weight, more horse baloney.

I have ran a couple guys with more mods than you, with no heads or nitrous and it was far from a whipping. Hung with one, and beat a Steigmeyer ported guy at the track, full weight on both. (he said his clutch slipped, and I think it did cause I could smell it, but he was a dumbass for racing on a questionable clutch IMO)

You think the guys on here have never raced an 03 before or sumthin'?

This thread is old as grandma's panties, and I was wrong on the ability of the GT500 stock. It turns out you would be better off getting an 03. (Which I think looks better)


so you are saying my 11.3 run is BS for the mods I have? is that what you are saying? you think everyone can drive these things? I have a buddy makes 475rwhp - 509rwtq and still running low 12s. when i ran 11.3 there were a good 7-8 racers from local board who were watching me. and guess what, i will run better than 11.3 next time I go to track. my car went 11.75@118mph with 1.8x 60, without powershifting and on 85+degrees weather. Geez, everybody things that they know everything about cobras. that is really funny!

[secondgearscratch]

so you are saying my 11.3 run is BS for the mods I have? is that what you are saying? you think everyone can drive these things? I have a buddy makes 475rwhp - 509rwtq and still running low 12s. when i ran 11.3 there were a good 7-8 racers from local board who were watching me. and guess what, i will run better than 11.3 next time I go to track. my car went 11.75@118mph with 1.8x 60, without powershifting and on 85+degrees weather. Geez, everybody things that they know everything about cobras. that is really funny!

i believe it. i think you forgot to mention you had slicks (not a big deal).

nice 60!

[Musclefan21]

i believe it. i think you forgot to mention you had slicks (not a big deal).

nice 60!

Thanks. At the begginign of the video, in the mods list, i mentioned that i was on 26" slicks.:yup:

[napper]

Good to talk to you again


You were/are so full of real world race knowledge.
and all i did was,.. yap.yapity yap

back on target... so this thread is talking about the GT500

well....and i aint trying to start nothing...but my Goats best run (the 04)
when all the ENGINE mods were (1)100shot..and suspension mods were drag springs and Koni's MT's i ran a GT500 my 12.14 to his dismal 12.62..

granted it never ran that low. 12.3 consistant and such so i head cammed and headered it with a porter ls2 intake and 90mm tb.... and dropped the spray to a 70-80 shot...we are guessing,,,,,we


and i do not think he was bone stock....dr's at least. some exhaust

Bob like you said...for the money....i can do much better.


FWD. sucks balls....but i built a beastly srt.....so i try my best...

Its 2 different driving styles....i think driving the fwD helps abit...i modulate better because of it.

yeah don't hold back.....fwd...... well if you can be fast off the dig with it..ou .ycan be fast period.

my heavy traps 125 -126 are with awesome 1.88..
1.79.....surely i though i broke an axle

lol


Bob do't try and remeber...it was bad.....the worst. you rememeber now.
funny how parenal death changes a man.

i race for the pure enjoyment.
i'm gonna rid myslef of the =little skittle and get a WS6...having 3 poncho's would be cool.

you are a connected guy...the skittle is done correctly and NOT being pushed to its componentry limits.
they just are light and have gobs of Hp and torque,

pm me if you can help with getting the skittle traded, look away from the front wheels and you have a nightmare car...( you know what i mean)

[Roastem]

Thanks. At the begginign of the video, in the mods list, i mentioned that i was on 26" slicks.:yup:

My bad, slicks and a good driver make a hell of a difference. Still, 11.3 with a 1000 in mods is one hell of an accomplishment.

[napper]

11.3

Good number..

i being a bit of a light "spray user".... always under 100...

could easily see drag radials...a NX/ NO/system with a 175 maybe 200 shot progressive controller and you'd be right there.

why is everyone so scared or look down on spary... cramming oxygen molecules is just what s/c and T/c does.

Not saying you did it that way but.....why not.

if my fat ass LS1 thats right LS1 gto almost ran the 12 flat with 100 shot... but i really did set upp th suspension....off the spray same suspension with just an intake and catback..12.90..
Yeah an LS1


ya see boys.....my M6 has over 150 hp on the A4.....and its a close race till just b4 say 800 mark.

and no my present 04 setup runs quite a bit faster than 12.1 try 11.4 with great connsistancy.

hey does it count i payed 15k for the car A4 04?
had all the spare parts...ls2 milled heads old cam, intake mani, injectors, headers, ect ect.
tht now for under 2k in mods it runs what that guy uns 11.4 11.3....once a 11.28.


lets not get into this......the bra or GT500 or whatever sc stang yur talking about ...aren't real impressive out of the box....

i've seen my friend take a zo6 off the lot drive around to get dr's and run 11.4's now thats damn impressive.....intake and headers.....boom 10's


look at my beleoved GTO's fat slow pigs....ahh but tap into the right combo of suspension and
lsx mods and sudenly these heavy behomeths are runnign low 12's 2 fly 11.8

my 06 i won't publically publish....all i'll say is i ahve 621 whp and every suspension mod the stage 2 track suspension has and more..
it can stop . turn and hall some serous ass.

but i spent alot to get there.....but now the spending is done.

it took 12 k into the Srt4 i have to make 447 whp...of course i did it all...susspnesion to brakes

and its awesome 1.9 60' just kills me!!!!
rolling race and we have a different show altogether.

any 500 whp cobra wanna roll with me...lol


i see where this thread is going.

Stock the cobra is not impresive...period.....
anyone saying anthing else aint telling themselves the truth.

the Zo6 now thats dam impressive.

[Musclefan21]

Stock the cobra is not impresive...period.....
anyone saying anthing else aint telling themselves the truth.

the Zo6 now thats dam impressive.

12.7 ain't impressive for a stock car which costs 22k?

bugatti veyron runs 9s stock and that is damn impressive but it costs 1million bucks.

stock z06s runs low 11s and costs 60-70k. come on, get into reality.

[Johns00Z28]

11.3@122mph upper only, non ported, no lower, full weight, 6-speed, IRS cobra here.

I only spent straight $1000 on mods.

here is the video:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/51b89566-77d5-4ae0-901f-99ad00c04a3c.htm

as well as $30k+ on the car if you bought it brand new.

[Knight Stalker]

[QUOTE=doodad;1037747]12.7 ain't impressive for a stock car which costs 22k?
$22,000? It must be nice to shop for a car in IL. A fellow who works for me has been looking for a Termi for about 6 months now. He has checked out 7 of them so far, and I went along with him to see three. The cheapest one we've found was $24,999.00, and the guy wouldn't go any lower. That car was an '03 with just over 43,000 miles, and the condition of that car made it appear considerably older. From what I've seen, one had better plan on dropping 27-plus for a pretty nice one around here.

Comparing the price of a used Cobra to a new C6 ZO6 is ludicrous. I've never understood why so many people choose that approach on these enthusiast forums. Perhaps they believe that by choosing to invoke an apples-to-oranges comparison, such guidelines offer a better opportunity to, in their minds, quantify their point of view. There are numerous reasons why it simply isn't logical to compare a Termi to a new ZO6. Certainly the price of a new Z06 is well beyond the realm of financial feasibility for the majority of enthusiasts. Certainly the price of a new ZO6 is much greater than the original sticker price of the new Termis. *For a point of reference, in the 8/02 issue of MM&FF magazine, Jim Campisano quoted the estimated price of a new '03 Cobra at $35,000 for the coupe, and $38,000 for the ragtop. However, one must also take into consideration what is included in that price. Stock for stock, the ZO6 is FAR superior to a Terminator in every performance aspect. Sure you can add a KB to the Cobra, turn up the boost, and spank the Vette. Even after this, however, the Vette will still badly outhandle and outbrake the Cobra. Even if you were to dump the money into the suspension and brakes to bring them up to ZO6 standards, you're still carrying around all that extra weight, and you're still driving a Mustang. This isn't even taking into consideration what the Vette is capable of once its owner gets serious about modifying it.
Even at the price people are asking for them in my area, the Termis are a performance bargain, I respect them, and I credit Ford for finally getting it right. Be that as it may, the C6 ZO6s inhabit a spot on the automotive food chain that is WELL beyond a Cobra's grasp, and the ZO6 is a much better car. I'll grant you that it should be for the price, but I, for one, feel the Vette is well worth the money.

[Roastem]

Well said Knighty!

[JayplaySS2]

11.3

Good number..

i being a bit of a light "spray user".... always under 100...

could easily see drag radials...a NX/ NO/system with a 175 maybe 200 shot progressive controller and you'd be right there.

why is everyone so scared or look down on spary... cramming oxygen molecules is just what s/c and T/c does.

Not saying you did it that way but.....why not.

if my fat ass LS1 thats right LS1 gto almost ran the 12 flat with 100 shot... but i really did set upp th suspension....off the spray same suspension with just an intake and catback..12.90..
Yeah an LS1


ya see boys.....my M6 has over 150 hp on the A4.....and its a close race till just b4 say 800 mark.

and no my present 04 setup runs quite a bit faster than 12.1 try 11.4 with great connsistancy.

hey does it count i payed 15k for the car A4 04?
had all the spare parts...ls2 milled heads old cam, intake mani, injectors, headers, ect ect.
tht now for under 2k in mods it runs what that guy uns 11.4 11.3....once a 11.28.


lets not get into this......the bra or GT500 or whatever sc stang yur talking about ...aren't real impressive out of the box....

i've seen my friend take a zo6 off the lot drive around to get dr's and run 11.4's now thats damn impressive.....intake and headers.....boom 10's


look at my beleoved GTO's fat slow pigs....ahh but tap into the right combo of suspension and
lsx mods and sudenly these heavy behomeths are runnign low 12's 2 fly 11.8

my 06 i won't publically publish....all i'll say is i ahve 621 whp and every suspension mod the stage 2 track suspension has and more..
it can stop . turn and hall some serous ass.

but i spent alot to get there.....but now the spending is done.

it took 12 k into the Srt4 i have to make 447 whp...of course i did it all...susspnesion to brakes

and its awesome 1.9 60' just kills me!!!!
rolling race and we have a different show altogether.

any 500 whp cobra wanna roll with me...lol


i see where this thread is going.

Stock the cobra is not impresive...period.....
anyone saying anthing else aint telling themselves the truth.

the Zo6 now thats dam impressive.

Hey man, Im in S. FL and id be delighted to run you for fun. Im over 500rwhp though.

[Musclefan21]

[QUOTE=doodad;1037747]12.7 ain't impressive for a stock car which costs 22k?
$22,000? It must be nice to shop for a car in IL. A fellow who works for me has been looking for a Termi for about 6 months now. He has checked out 7 of them so far, and I went along with him to see three. The cheapest one we've found was $24,999.00, and the guy wouldn't go any lower. That car was an '03 with just over 43,000 miles, and the condition of that car made it appear considerably older. From what I've seen, one had better plan on dropping 27-plus for a pretty nice one around here.

Comparing the price of a used Cobra to a new C6 ZO6 is ludicrous. I've never understood why so many people choose that approach on these enthusiast forums. Perhaps they believe that by choosing to invoke an apples-to-oranges comparison, such guidelines offer a better opportunity to, in their minds, quantify their point of view. There are numerous reasons why it simply isn't logical to compare a Termi to a new ZO6. Certainly the price of a new Z06 is well beyond the realm of financial feasibility for the majority of enthusiasts. Certainly the price of a new ZO6 is much greater than the original sticker price of the new Termis. *For a point of reference, in the 8/02 issue of MM&FF magazine, Jim Campisano quoted the estimated price of a new '03 Cobra at $35,000 for the coupe, and $38,000 for the ragtop. However, one must also take into consideration what is included in that price. Stock for stock, the ZO6 is FAR superior to a Terminator in every performance aspect. Sure you can add a KB to the Cobra, turn up the boost, and spank the Vette. Even after this, however, the Vette will still badly outhandle and outbrake the Cobra. Even if you were to dump the money into the suspension and brakes to bring them up to ZO6 standards, you're still carrying around all that extra weight, and you're still driving a Mustang. This isn't even taking into consideration what the Vette is capable of once its owner gets serious about modifying it.
Even at the price people are asking for them in my area, the Termis are a performance bargain, I respect them, and I credit Ford for finally getting it right. Be that as it may, the C6 ZO6s inhabit a spot on the automotive food chain that is WELL beyond a Cobra's grasp, and the ZO6 is a much better car. I'll grant you that it should be for the price, but I, for one, feel the Vette is well worth the money.


that was the respond to a guy who said stock cobras aren't impressive. that was a very ignorant post! i would trade my car into a z06 today. nothing against Z06s. my point is, there are very impressive stock cars but only wealthy can afford them. if you ask me impressive good street cars and most people can afford, i say cobras, LS1s, Mach1s and there are a couple imports but i am a die hard American Muscle fan.

[napper]

Stck Terminators werent impressive to me...when they wer new ..it was a genearl magazine stuggle to get them into the 12's.. they were typically in the lowest 13's possible


i think an important point is that alot of zo6 guys, Ferrarri guys, Porsche guys aren't real car guys...( porportionally) they just happen to have speedy cars as a byproduct of their successsful lives.

dumb post.....the terminator is cool. is it the coolest.? probably not. Always something comes along.

now where did i leave my fob for ls3 vette!!?

[allbaugh_04]

i love the books you guys leave for posts

[napper]

Hey man, Im in S. FL and id be delighted to run you for fun. Im over 500rwhp though.

PM me...

if you come to me. and i can run cooler. Yeah i'll give 500+ a try..

It will be Swell!!

You'll have the camera right?

[Musclefan21]

PM me...

if you come to me. and i can run cooler. Yeah i'll give 500+ a try..

It will be Swell!!

You'll have the camera right?

I don't think you stand a chance against a 2.8 KB cobra but it would be nice to see you guys run !

[JayplaySS2]

PM me...

if you come to me. and i can run cooler. Yeah i'll give 500+ a try..

It will be Swell!!

You'll have the camera right?


Where are you located? What city?

[Musclefan21]

Where are you located? What city?


dude, please do this. i wanna see video!!!:yup:

[FuhBreezeE]

+1 :yup:

[napper]

nobody said a 2.8 KB.. with over 500. how muh over...
Naw...i aint given up a cheap win...i'm like 427 hot.....i'm fast but not down a 100 hp.

that aint right.

still though...i promise some sort of shock. lol.

tonight by 9pm on the tunrpike ...i know the captain. can you make it?


for the record the 3076 spools early and spools strongly.... a 50 trim with 60 trim power levels. + the 7200 redline.....and i like its chances. especially cammed.

anyway its for fun..i have nothing to lose....except an adrenalin rush...even th loser gets one.

[JayplaySS2]

nobody said a 2.8 KB.. with over 500. how muh over...
Naw...i aint given up a cheap win...i'm like 427 hot.....i'm fast but not down a 100 hp.

that aint right.

still though...i promise some sort of shock. lol.

tonight by 9pm on the tunrpike ...i know the captain. can you make it?


for the record the 3076 spools early and spools strongly.... a 50 trim with 60 trim power levels. + the 7200 redline.....and i like its chances. especially cammed.

anyway its for fun..i have nothing to lose....except an adrenalin rush...even th loser gets one.


I can do it next weekend no problem Fri/Sat night. Just give me a better idea where you are. Turnpike at what exit? I'll have my wife ride with me and tape it.

You want to bring the GTO or the SRT-4?

[Zboner]

god, that was like reading a novel, lol

someone finally got the stock Z06 into the 10's

[djvaly]

termi 03-04 I only raced 3 of them in my life,

1st race... I was ls1 motor, just exhaust and pulley... got killed fast,

then since 402 ls2 full bolt ons:
I race 1 termi modded about 470rwhp, it was close I had a 2 cars on him by 90...

then recently 45-135mph I race a stage I termi (pulley, catback, tune about 440rwhp) I murdered him 6-7 cars...

termis are hard to mess with on the street, some crank up the s/c to 700rwhp with the engine internals forged and stuff... they are mean.

at the track, throw a 4000 stall, good suspension and stickie tires and you do well with few bolt ons.