so this kid wants to race me...

[ttocs]

This may be a dum ? but when $ comes into play, my mind begins to jump around on me.
This kid, my friend i guess, really wants to race me in his civic. He wants to race for $ which is fine with me, but i like to be sure of victory before i put $ on the line. I mean, no one wants to lose $, especially some high school student with shit for income to begin with. I agreed to race him but we didnt agree on the $ aspect yet. We agreed for money but the exact amount hasent been decided. He was hitting me in the realm of $150-200. Thats a nice chunk of change, especially for me. I expect him to pull me a little off the line, hes killer at launching that thing. At first i was 100% sure this would be nothing but im having 2nd thoughts. :thinkin: Heres the specs on his car---
94 civic hatch
imported type r motor
bored to a 1.9l
i think he said hes running high compression?
intake
full exhaust
fully tuned ecu
some weight reduction (as if they arent light enough lol)
My car---
98 z28
groty lt's
catless y w/ merge
borla catback
mild cam
mildly ported, polished
slp lid and race filter
-i have to shift a little slow because of my slave cyl being all homo, especially going into 3rd...
-by the time i get my electrical prob solved and actually race him i may also have it tuned...

[WinSomeLoseNone]

As a fellow student I understand. Although I'm More hardheaded, I say WTF you will kill him, CIVIC.... go kick his ass...if you lose ill kick your's.. OMG type RRRRR ...heh

OH! i raced a boosted one of those a few months ago, almost forgot about it. It was actually close but in the end I got him by 3 lengths i believe. I posted the whole story on this site, you can check my threads and find it.

Look at your mods...your already packing more than me, Shame on you for worrying CIVIC.....go teach him a lesson. Just kidding about the shame thing, no sense in wasting money. Honestly though CIVIC lol....

Wheres Jim Thorpe PA... you would think i'd know this ....Maybe your close to me, we can meet and greet some time.

[ttocs]

Your less then an hour and a half away. Montgom isnt that far, ive been there before but not in about 2 years. Msg me on aim if ya want, we can talk and maybe get something going---ttocs0000

But yeah, i kind of figured that would be the responce :shots: :drivin:

[WinSomeLoseNone]

Sure thing, always looking for fellow local (kinda local) f-body owners.

About that Civic, Unless he's packing some BIG boost or alot of nitrous, its a cakewalk. Go tear him a new one.

[BrandonDrecksage]

As a fellow student I understand. Although I'm More hardheaded, I say WTF you will kill him, CIVIC.... go kick his ass...if you lose ill kick your's.. OMG type RRRRR ...heh

OH! i raced a boosted one of those a few months ago, almost forgot about it. It was actually close but in the end I got him by 3 lengths i believe. I posted the whole story on this site, you can check my threads and find it.

Look at your mods...your already packing more than me, Shame on you for worrying CIVIC.....go teach him a lesson. Just kidding about the shame thing, no sense in wasting money. Honestly though CIVIC lol....

Wheres Jim Thorpe PA... you would think i'd know this ....Maybe your close to me, we can meet and greet some time.

your a retard for under estimating a civic.

You ahve to think about the flip side..do you think the kid would be willing to toss around 200 if he didn't think he had you. Not all honda drivers are ricers...and not all are slow. Not to mention not all of them reveal all of their mods. There are a couple of n/a hondas at my strip that are running low12s/ high 11s. If he can out launch you..he'll take you cause those cars are hard as fuck to launch and if he has that down..he is more expierenced then you. Now, onto the power for the civic...if he has a built high compression b series motor..hes probably looking at around 230-240ish whp...if his car is light..it could weigh 2300-2400 lbs. 1hp per 10.5 lbs

now for you...mild cam? whats that? ls6 cam? with what you have...UNTUNED...you may be around 340-350whp in a car that weighs 3400lbs dry. you 9.7lbs per 1hp

so roughly guessing..you have a better power to weight ratio..and if he can out launch you..he'll probably stay in front...but its your money..and if you want to listen to ignorant people saying it JUST a civic...go right ahead.

[oneBADDz]

your a retard for under estimating a civic.

You ahve to think about the flip side..do you think the kid would be willing to toss around 200 if he didn't think he had you. Not all honda drivers are ricers...and not all are slow. Not to mention not all of them reveal all of their mods. There are a couple of n/a hondas at my strip that are running low12s/ high 11s. If he can out launch you..he'll take you cause those cars are hard as fuck to launch and if he has that down..he is more expierenced then you. Now, onto the power for the civic...if he has a built high compression b series motor..hes probably looking at around 230-240ish whp...if his car is light..it could weigh 2300-2400 lbs. 1hp per 10.5 lbs

now for you...mild cam? whats that? ls6 cam? with what you have...UNTUNED...you may be around 340-350whp in a car that weighs 3400lbs dry. you 9.7lbs per 1hp

so roughly guessing..you have a better power to weight ratio..and if he can out launch you..he'll probably stay in front...but its your money..and if you want to listen to ignorant people saying it JUST a civic...go right ahead.
the only ignorant person in here would be the one saying that just because a civic can launch that it will win. If the civic can out launch him it will stay in front? -that's incompetent right there. Did you even read the whole list of f-body mods, it's gonna be a breeze, let the civic take off first, if you know anything about cars you know the LS1 is gonna walk right past him. It's JUST a civic. HP/pound, we aren't ricers, who cares

[BrandonDrecksage]

the only ignorant person in here would be the one saying that just because a civic can launch that it will win. If the civic can out launch him it will stay in front? -that's incompetent right there. Did you even read the whole list of f-body mods, it's gonna be a breeze, let the civic take off first, if you know anything about cars you know the LS1 is gonna walk right past him. It's JUST a civic. HP/pound, we aren't ricers, who cares


..so i guess all civics are slow and there isn't one that could be a UNTUNED fbody. heads and cam don't mean shit unless you tune it...you don't even know the specs on it. I'm not saying jsut because he can launch. I'm saying that fact that he can launch shows he knows his car..cause if a fwd is outlaunching a rwd on the street..its either cause the rwd person sucks..or the fwd person is really good. I also figured if he has a built motor..he is putting out more stock. a stock jap type r can run high 14s stock...now if you build the motor and do soem weight reduction...there you go.

but I'm guessing that your one of the ignorant people that think. A. the ls1 can't be beaten. B. all 4 cyl are slow.

[Zboner]

there is no possible way he can loose. i say do it, but take it to a track and be safe about it

[WinSomeLoseNone]

there is no possible way he can loose. i say do it, but take it to a track and be safe about it

Exactly, i've seen 9 friends die in the past 2 years. Thats rediculous, race where your meant to. Thirty some dollars is worth paying to save lives. Five of them died in the same car.

[mavrikZ]

Brandon, I see a Honda in your future.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I dont care how well that Civic launches, let that LS1 hit the top of 2nd gear and see what happens. For the Civic to hold his spot hed better be sprayin and prayin!:drivin:

[oneBADDz]

..so i guess all civics are slow and there isn't one that could be a UNTUNED fbody. heads and cam don't mean shit unless you tune it...you don't even know the specs on it. I'm not saying jsut because he can launch. I'm saying that fact that he can launch shows he knows his car..cause if a fwd is outlaunching a rwd on the street..its either cause the rwd person sucks..or the fwd person is really good. I also figured if he has a built motor..he is putting out more stock. a stock jap type r can run high 14s stock...now if you build the motor and do soem weight reduction...there you go.

but I'm guessing that your one of the ignorant people that think. A. the ls1 can't be beaten. B. all 4 cyl are slow.
I never said all civics are slow, I never said that there are NONE that can beat an fbody. Yeah, heads and cam mean NOTHING untuned, nothing :rolleyes: Stop pulling the usual stupidity driven "I have to stand up for ricers" bullcrap. No one here is talking shit on ricers, you guys think that because we think we can beat an import that we have no respect for any of them and that you have to come be noble defenders of the 4 bangers. Wake up smart guy, it takes a lot to get a civic in the realm of a stock fbody, and this fbody isn't even simply stock. The average modded civic doesn't stand a chance. It has nothing to do with hating imports and thinking we are better than all of them, it's the truth, so stop putting words in my mouth.

[WinSomeLoseNone]

I never said all civics are slow, I never said that there are NONE that can beat an fbody. Yeah, heads and cam mean NOTHING untuned, nothing :rolleyes: Stop pulling the usual stupidity driven "I have to stand up for ricers" bullcrap. No one here is talking shit on ricers, you guys think that because we think we can beat an import that we have no respect for any of them and that you have to come be noble defenders of the 4 bangers. Wake up smart guy, it takes a lot to get a civic in the realm of a stock fbody, and this fbody isn't even simply stock. The average modded civic doesn't stand a chance. It has nothing to do with hating imports and thinking we are better than all of them, it's the truth, so stop putting words in my mouth.

Amen, Could not have said it better myself. End of debate.

[ttocs]

Still really dont have a solid answer...Ill smoke him, hill beat me, it will be close. And i just noticed something that someone posted before...11's w/ and n/a civic??? I cant beleive that unless its completely gutted and built to the max, even at that im still a little wobbly. Do you consider running n20 still a stock car?

Well i really want to get this thing dyno tuned but i dont know where to get it done? Ive looked around and asked around from friends but no one really knows of anywhere. I live in carbon county pa, so if anyone knows of a good place near me let me know. I think im going to make a thread here today about shops near me. Someone told me you can bring your car to uti and they will dyno and tune it for free? Because the students are learning or w/e. I might actually be going there anyway in a year, but yeah, thats off topic haha. I expect to see a pretty good gain from a good tune. All of this stuff on it and no tune, theres a lot to improve on. Hopefully a tune will help my gas milage out a little too :Ohno: But im more worried about the ponies :drivin:

[mavrikZ]

Yes you do have a solid answer. Kick his weed wacker drivin ass. And then feel guilty because you ass-raped him so

[BrandonDrecksage]

Still really dont have a solid answer...Ill smoke him, hill beat me, it will be close. And i just noticed something that someone posted before...11's w/ and n/a civic??? I cant beleive that unless its completely gutted and built to the max, even at that im still a little wobbly. Do you consider running n20 still a stock car?

Well i really want to get this thing dyno tuned but i dont know where to get it done? Ive looked around and asked around from friends but no one really knows of anywhere. I live in carbon county pa, so if anyone knows of a good place near me let me know. I think im going to make a thread here today about shops near me. Someone told me you can bring your car to uti and they will dyno and tune it for free? Because the students are learning or w/e. I might actually be going there anyway in a year, but yeah, thats off topic haha. I expect to see a pretty good gain from a good tune. All of this stuff on it and no tune, theres a lot to improve on. Hopefully a tune will help my gas milage out a little too :Ohno: But im more worried about the ponies :drivin:

the world record for n/a honda is somewhere in the mid 9s last I checked. think about it for a second..if the guy can out launch you..he knows what he is doing..and more than likely not telling you all of his mods. What heads and cam do you have..just saying a mild setup means nothing..specially untuned..you could be running pig rich or lean enough to melt a piston.

Its your money..do what you want..but I don't see why you should listen to any of the retards who know nothing about imports.. I'm open minded towards different cars and learn about them and a civic with a built engine..ect is gonna be close because you have no idea what your putting down.

[Wesman]

the world record for n/a honda is somewhere in the mid 9s last I checked. think about it for a second..if the guy can out launch you..he knows what he is doing..and more than likely not telling you all of his mods. What heads and cam do you have..just saying a mild setup means nothing..specially untuned..you could be running pig rich or lean enough to melt a piston.

Its your money..do what you want..but I don't see why you should listen to any of the retards who know nothing about imports.. I'm open minded towards different cars and learn about them and a civic with a built engine..ect is gonna be lose because you have no idea what your putting down.


Dude you need to get a serious grip on reality. The fastest Honduh in the world running mid 9's has absolutely nothing to do with a kid in high school with a riced out piece if shit Civic and a "type r swap" :jerkit:

Its also great how you fell the need to call people retards because they are bashing the allmighty Civic. If it was turbo'd it could be making any amount of power, god only knows. But a highschool kid with an N/A VTEC swap isn't going to outrunning anything. Get a grip :rolleyes:

[mavrikZ]

Brandon, I see a Honda in your future.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Everytime you post, you are taking a step backwards!

Also, the majority of F-body drivers ARE educated in the abilities of other vehicles, such as Honda Civics, THAT IS WHY WE DONT BUY THEM.:shots: You must have gottn your butt kicked by a motorized shopping cart, that is the only reason I could conceive of someone trying to defend these fartpiped slugs.
NOTE: Im pretty sure there werent any 9 second Hondas when I was in school... really, who is the retard:thinkin:

[ttocs]

I know the kid, its not just some random person. Hes also cammed and high comp. Besdes that and what listed above, thats it. His weight reduction is prolly made up by his weight. :lol: Its not a lot, only small stuff. You also didnt answer my other questions. Do you consider a car with n20 still stock? Im the kind of person that doesnt beleive what they read, i believe what i see, unless its reasonable or logical or has been proven to me before. And i dont believe that you see 11 and 12 sec civics n/a or turbo or n20 all the time like you make it sound. Ive never seen a video or in person of an n/a, no n20 civic run better then a 12.9...mind you that was a FULLY built gsr motor, drag tires, and the interior was completely gone.

[astyles]

well i for sure want to hear the out come either way!

[ttocs]

Will do. I have a good video cam. Ill take vids of his car, enigne bay, walk around, etc. Same with my car. Then the drag race. Dont know how long it will be till we actually race. I want to get my car tuned but cant find anywhere.

[WinSomeLoseNone]

Even if he is running N2O one of those weedwackers can't handle much more than id guess a 75 shot. I mean if an LS1 can handle 150 id cut it in half and then some for a poorfourbanger. Just please stop worrying. OH and even if the fastest CiVac was 9 secs your talking IN THE WORLD so law of averages says this guy your going against is probably running somewhere around 12's in the 1/8TH :) muaha

[ttocs]

He doesnt have n20, im 100% sure of that. Ive been in his car before. Like i said, i know him, he isnt just some random kid. Im not really worried about it anymore...Im just getting pissed off cuz i cant find a tuner near me :toetap:

[ss~zoso~ss]

more importantly than comparing HP is comparing TQ, i bet the kid with the camaro has 2x the tq to the ground than the civic, and that determines who wins the race

[BrandonDrecksage]

I know the kid, its not just some random person. Hes also cammed and high comp. Besdes that and what listed above, thats it. His weight reduction is prolly made up by his weight. :lol: Its not a lot, only small stuff. You also didnt answer my other questions. Do you consider a car with n20 still stock? Im the kind of person that doesnt beleive what they read, i believe what i see, unless its reasonable or logical or has been proven to me before. And i dont believe that you see 11 and 12 sec civics n/a or turbo or n20 all the time like you make it sound. Ive never seen a video or in person of an n/a, no n20 civic run better then a 12.9...mind you that was a FULLY built gsr motor, drag tires, and the interior was completely gone.

when did I say the car was stock? I don't think n2o is stock..just like as soon as I put a lid on my SS it wasn't stock anymore either. There are a bunch..10 or so turbo hondas running in the low 11s at the track i go to(englishtown, NJ)...and a couple of n/a running low 12s...maybe 3 or 4. I don't say I see it all the time..I'm jsut saying its not impossible like everyone else is making it seem..but its your money. You still haven't answer my question..what heads and cam are in your car? you say mild..what does that mean? a cammed and high compression bs eries motor will make decent power..thats all i'm saying.

more importantly than comparing HP is comparing TQ, i bet the kid with the camaro has 2x the tq to the ground than the civic, and that determines who wins the race

true and false...a lower torque engine could have better gearing to take advantage of the higher powerband.

and to the person that keeps saying I see a honda in your future.. I own a 2001 camaro ss...so yeah..would I get a honda for a DD?...yeah...would I buy one for drag racing..no.

[ttocs]

I said in my original post about my heads. I dont have aftermarket heads, they are just ported and polished. The cam is a crane powermax 1449521.

[69camarokid]

alright. i hate to be an ass, but seriously this is getting rediculous with the way everyone keeps assuming that he will destroy the other guy just cause the other guy has a civic... it doesnt matter what kind of car u have u can make it fast. i mean if people can make a freakin vega or crx run 10s then it shouldnt be to hard to make a fast civic... i mean although im totally a muscle car guy, i have a 69 camaro and 73 nova, u gotta repect imports as well, all cars have potential ( except daywoos.... yuck! haha) but seriously bro, theres only one way o find out, and thats to just do it, balls to the wall man

[astyles]

wow did this start as a simple question?

[Michael Z-28]

I race at the local track (KCIR ,Mo) There is a honda civic N/A run low 13.00, high 12.
My car has a lid ,K&n, Hpp3 I beat him by a fender. But I can launch my 99 a4 dam well for being stock drive line. (rearend starting to chatter from last friday night:Ohno: ) And turned 99000 miles at the 1/8 marker too.:yup:

[Wesman]

alright. i hate to be an ass, but seriously this is getting rediculous with the way everyone keeps assuming that he will destroy the other guy just cause the other guy has a civic... it doesnt matter what kind of car u have u can make it fast. i mean if people can make a freakin vega or crx run 10s then it shouldnt be to hard to make a fast civic... i mean although im totally a muscle car guy, i have a 69 camaro and 73 nova, u gotta repect imports as well, all cars have potential ( except daywoos.... yuck! haha) but seriously bro, theres only one way o find out, and thats to just do it, balls to the wall man

I can't stand it when people assume that every modified Civic on the road is a 12 second car. Probably about 1 out of every 100,000 Civics on the road is built up enough to run 12's. Yet anytime someone says "A Civic wants to race me", people automatically assume its in the 10's just because its modded. The kid is probably only running 15's in the 1/4 at best, just like every other moron with a riced out Civic. It takes some serious cash, knowhow, and resources to get a Civic to be fast.

Think about it: Its a lot easier to get a low 13 second car in to the 12's than to get a piece if shit Civic into the 12's thats running 18's stock.

Go destroy him, and laugh in his face when he starts in with the ricer excuses :rolleyes:

[bww3588]

your a retard for under estimating a civic.

You ahve to think about the flip side..do you think the kid would be willing to toss around 200 if he didn't think he had you. Not all honda drivers are ricers...and not all are slow. Not to mention not all of them reveal all of their mods. There are a couple of n/a hondas at my strip that are running low12s/ high 11s. If he can out launch you..he'll take you cause those cars are hard as fuck to launch and if he has that down..he is more expierenced then you. Now, onto the power for the civic...if he has a built high compression b series motor..hes probably looking at around 230-240ish whp...if his car is light..it could weigh 2300-2400 lbs. 1hp per 10.5 lbs

now for you...mild cam? whats that? ls6 cam? with what you have...UNTUNED...you may be around 340-350whp in a car that weighs 3400lbs dry. you 9.7lbs per 1hp

so roughly guessing..you have a better power to weight ratio..and if he can out launch you..he'll probably stay in front...but its your money..and if you want to listen to ignorant people saying it JUST a civic...go right ahead.your also forgetting that HP is not what moves the car, Torque is, and most 4 bangers lack torque. however the Civic has HP so once it gets going it will keep going......but its lack of torque is whats gonna hold him back.

[BrandonDrecksage]

I can't stand it when people assume that every modified Civic on the road is a 12 second car. Probably about 1 out of every 100,000 Civics on the road is built up enough to run 12's. Yet anytime someone says "A Civic wants to race me", people automatically assume its in the 10's just because its modded. The kid is probably only running 15's in the 1/4 at best, just like every other moron with a riced out Civic. It takes some serious cash, knowhow, and resources to get a Civic to be fast.

Think about it: Its a lot easier to get a low 13 second car in to the 12's than to get a piece if shit Civic into the 12's thats running 18's stock.

Go destroy him, and laugh in his face when he starts in with the ricer excuses :rolleyes:

seriously..I can't stand it when people automatically ASSUME jsut because its a civic it'll get beat. him and I are just saying that it is possible. How come you people can't accept that. When I said the civic had a chance..I said that with a lot of ifs... for example, if the motor is putting down this optimistic number with this optimistic weight...and can out launch him..then he could win..then everyone jumps down my throat.

is it impossible for this civic to be fast?

[90zcrex]

You guys are freakin weenies. You guys are so ego-absorbed its not even funny. You all have no clue as to how easy it is to make a honda fast. you can take a stock honda civic hatch hx/cx which weigh in at like 2200-2300lbs. drop in a single cam vtec motor which you can get for dirt cheap, and turbo it for less than $2000. and have a car that will beat a slightly modded ss. I know because I did just that.

And this guy says he has a civic, which is probably a hatch, with a type-r motor which puts out around probably 185hp stock, with cams and high compression pistons he could be anywhere from 230-280hp depending on the setup.
The only problem is that he's fwd, with that much power he will be spinning his ass off, unless he's got drag radials or slicks.

but you guys are still a bunch of weenies and the civic can win

[bww3588]

You guys are freakin weenies. You guys are so ego-absorbed its not even funny. You all have no clue as to how easy it is to make a honda fast. you can take a stock honda civic hatch hx/cx which weigh in at like 2200-2300lbs. drop in a single cam vtec motor which you can get for dirt cheap, and turbo it for less than $2000. and have a car that will beat a slightly modded ss. I know because I did just that.

And this guy says he has a civic, which is probably a hatch, with a type-r motor which puts out around probably 185hp stock, with cams and high compression pistons he could be anywhere from 230-280hp depending on the setup.
The only problem is that he's fwd, with that much power he will be spinning his ass off, unless he's got drag radials or slicks.

but you guys are still a bunch of weenies and the civic can win
you sir.....like boys.

[ttocs]

You guys are freakin weenies. You guys are so ego-absorbed its not even funny. You all have no clue as to how easy it is to make a honda fast. you can take a stock honda civic hatch hx/cx which weigh in at like 2200-2300lbs. drop in a single cam vtec motor which you can get for dirt cheap, and turbo it for less than $2000. and have a car that will beat a slightly modded ss. I know because I did just that.

And this guy says he has a civic, which is probably a hatch, with a type-r motor which puts out around probably 185hp stock, with cams and high compression pistons he could be anywhere from 230-280hp depending on the setup.
The only problem is that he's fwd, with that much power he will be spinning his ass off, unless he's got drag radials or slicks.

but you guys are still a bunch of weenies and the civic can win

HE SAID WEENIES :lol:

You cant do a swap and turbo for less then $2000. Go hit that crack pipe again bro. :slash:

[90zcrex]

you sir.....like boys.

why yes i do, how old are you?

[90zcrex]

HE SAID WEENIES :lol:

You cant do a swap and turbo for less then $2000. Go hit that crack pipe again bro. :slash:


oh you can't? damn you got me, :notworthy:

[bww3588]

why yes i do, how old are you?
haha......lol j/p
you gotta have some respect for imports.

[90zcrex]

you can get a single cam vtec engine for less than $400 sometimes free if you know some people. and it will bolt into any civic, just gotta know how to wire it up. a junkyard turbo kit can cost less than $1000.

[ttocs]

oh you can't? damn you got me, :notworthy:

I know i did...Maybe some beat ass used motor for 500 and a beat ass used turbo kit for 1500. If your talking a good used motor and a brand new turbo kit, no, no way you can go it for $2000.

[90zcrex]

i never said anything about a new turbo kit, and you can get plenty of good used single cam honda engines for less than 500.

now a b-series engine can start getting expensive. a type-r motor and tranny is a pretty penny, and with the engine work this guy says he has then he probably has spent alot on this civic.
I'm just saying its retarded how you all just say this guy will have no problem with this civic when you obviosly don't know much about hondas. I kept up with and beat a few Ls1's with my turbo crx, and this guy has more power and prolly the same weight so don't tell this guy he has it in the bag cause he may not.

[Zboner]

no matter how you look at it its still a civic :yup:

i dont care WTF a civic has done to it i have never lost to one and i never plan on loosing to one of those piles of shit

let me break it down like this 1.8 with out without a turbo or what have you.

and im running a 5.7 with a custom grind cam, lifters, springs, hardnend push rods, intake, full racing transmission, 3,000 stall converter. i dont care waht the other fucker is running cause ill blow his doors off.

oh and by the way how much HP does the TYPE-R sticker add??????????? j/k man

[Wesman]

You guys are freakin weenies. You guys are so ego-absorbed its not even funny. You all have no clue as to how easy it is to make a honda fast. you can take a stock honda civic hatch hx/cx which weigh in at like 2200-2300lbs. drop in a single cam vtec motor which you can get for dirt cheap, and turbo it for less than $2000. and have a car that will beat a slightly modded ss. I know because I did just that.

And this guy says he has a civic, which is probably a hatch, with a type-r motor which puts out around probably 185hp stock, with cams and high compression pistons he could be anywhere from 230-280hp depending on the setup.
The only problem is that he's fwd, with that much power he will be spinning his ass off, unless he's got drag radials or slicks.

but you guys are still a bunch of weenies and the civic can win

Dude you're a fucking idiot, get out of here :lol:

Dawg did you say something bout a Type-r swap?? Shit son, I be hearin bout that from like 90% of Hun-duh owners out dere. Too bad it never ben happenin', and even if it be, they still get owned by stock LS1's :lol: :lol: :lol:

I also love how you call people a "bunch of weenies" for disrespecting the almighty Civic on an LS1 forum. You sir are a stupid ricer, go away, nobody likes Civics :rolleyes:

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

Just race him and find out....hopefully he has the same attitude as 90zcrex and you break his jaw after the race to put the finishing touches on it.

[oneBADDz]

You guys are freakin weenies. You guys are so ego-absorbed its not even funny. You all have no clue as to how easy it is to make a honda fast. you can take a stock honda civic hatch hx/cx which weigh in at like 2200-2300lbs. drop in a single cam vtec motor which you can get for dirt cheap, and turbo it for less than $2000. and have a car that will beat a slightly modded ss. I know because I did just that.

And this guy says he has a civic, which is probably a hatch, with a type-r motor which puts out around probably 185hp stock, with cams and high compression pistons he could be anywhere from 230-280hp depending on the setup.
The only problem is that he's fwd, with that much power he will be spinning his ass off, unless he's got drag radials or slicks.

but you guys are still a bunch of weenies and the civic can win
Weenies? It's better than being a friggin idiot. It isn't called an ego, it's called the truth jackass. Do you have any idea what it takes to gain 4 seconds in the 1/4 mile? appairently you don't, but that's what it takes for a civic to get its grips on a STOCK ls1. Why don't you, and the guy in question in this thread who we actually know NOTHING about come race, right now. If it's that fuckin easy to beat an LS1 with a civic than find one of us and race, right now. There is always an LS1 within an hour away, race us.

p.s. i'm drunk, and it's the first time in my life I've been drunk and i have no idea what I'm saying, it took about 45 minutes to write this and make sure my grammer and punctuation were correct, so i better have made a good point

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

p.s. i'm drunk, and it's the first time in my life I've been drunk and i have no idea what I'm saying, it took about 45 minutes to write this and make sure my grammer and punctuation were correct, so i better have made a good point
:haha: First time drunk, damn bro....little behind the curve are ya:) Just enjoy it cause tomorrows gonna suck if you get a hangover

[mavrikZ]

you can get a single cam vtec engine for less than $400 sometimes free if you know some people. and it will bolt into any civic, just gotta know how to wire it up. a junkyard turbo kit can cost less than $1000.

Yea... OR you could go to the local junkyard and get a Briggs and Stratton 18HP for about $150. Put a high compression piston set and Folgers coffee can exhaust and beat Vipers! Hey! Dont laugh... I know somebody, who knows somebody, who once did that!:lol: :notworthy:

You import guys are missing the point. This issue is really about PROBABILITY not POSSIBILITY. No one is saying that a Honda CANT be fast...just more likely than not, it is running in its God intended "grocerie getting state" ...slow.
Everytime someone says Honda, people get their feathers(or skirts:lol: )ruffled.

[ttocs]

A little update i guess. Today im working on my car outside my house and the kid stops by. Talking to him about my car and his, etc. His good friend has a turboed b16 hatch with a built motor. Note-the other day on aim he told me he thinks hes going to run 11s...But were talking and i ask him what he thinks this other kids civic will run, "13s" he said. Now how the hell is his car going to run 11s but a turbored civic will run 13s. I think hes trying to mess with me cuz he asked if i would race this other kid. So maybe hes telling me 13s cuz he knows i know i can run better then that but really hes telling himself i dont have a chance cuz that civic is running 10s (in his mind) that or hes just retarted, wait...either way hes retarted. He also told me theres no way i can out launch him, both with streets. "i got lsd" and some other thing with poles i never heard of? I bet his sway bar drilled into his wheel wells helps a lot too haha (true) Was supose to go rape a stock 95 m3 tonight but didnt get my fuel pump in on time. Kid was laying down 100 but then he backed down to 50 and hes never seen my car but ive seen his. Oh well, that will get me 3/4 of a tank next week when i race him. :lol:

[90zcrex]

You import guys are missing the point. This issue is really about PROBABILITY not POSSIBILITY. No one is saying that a Honda CANT be fast...just more likely than not, it is running in its God intended "grocerie getting state" ...slow.
Everytime someone says Honda, people get their feathers(or skirts:lol: )ruffled.

yes you are right MOST hondas out there are riced out pieces of shit, i totally agree. but then you do have a number of people that actually know wtf their doing with a honda.
the only problem i have is all these shitheads on here saying that because its a civic this guy will have no problem winning against him when thats not always the case.

and by the way, around how much should i pay for a 99-00 z28 with around 80-100k miles in good condition?

[ttocs]

yes you are right MOST hondas out there are riced out pieces of shit, i totally agree. but then you do have a number of people that actually know wtf their doing with a honda.
the only problem i have is all these shitheads on here saying that because its a civic this guy will have no problem winning against him when thats not always the case.

and by the way, around how much should i pay for a 99-00 z28 with around 80-100k miles in good condition?

Like the guy above said, this is about PROBABILITY not POSSIBILITY like you take it as fuktard...
You try to compare things to make it look like civics are the king, thats why we hate you people so much..."whats does it cost" Yeah, a lot more then it would a civic but look what your getting from a camaro vs. a pos civic. By the time you invest enough $ to be able to beat one of us then your already over what we paid for the car. And you still have roll up windows, cloth apolstry, and no air bags...but you do have a 4cyl and a fart can so it all evens out. :notworthy: Not to mention 5 of the 10 people on your block also have a the same car as you, so that makes you stand out. You see 80yr old grannies driving civics...Dont know why i try to argue with you people. Your heads are to dense to ever try to think otherwise that a civic cant be beat.

[90zcrex]

Like the guy above said, this is about PROBABILITY not POSSIBILITY like you take it as fuktard...
You try to compare things to make it look like civics are the king, thats why we hate you people so much..."whats does it cost" Yeah, a lot more then it would a civic but look what your getting from a camaro vs. a pos civic. By the time you invest enough $ to be able to beat one of us then your already over what we paid for the car. And you still have roll up windows, cloth apolstry, and no air bags...but you do have a 4cyl and a fart can so it all evens out. :notworthy: Not to mention 5 of the 10 people on your block also have a the same car as you, so that makes you stand out. You see 80yr old grannies driving civics...Dont know why i try to argue with you people. Your heads are to dense to ever try to think otherwise that a civic cant be beat.


your an idiot

[ttocs]

your an idiot

Want a tissue? Go take your little 90crx and go back to riceburners.com I didnt say anything bad on civics till some of you retards came in here and started talking out of your ass'. You guys ask for it, but nooooo its not little import guys that are the assholes, its the domestics. Take your car and sell it for the $1000 its worth, take your sorry ass, get a job, move out of your parents house and get a real car. Where do you live 90zcerx?

[BrandonDrecksage]

Want a tissue? Go take your little 90crx and go back to riceburners.com I didnt say anything bad on civics till some of you retards came in here and started talking out of your ass'. You guys ask for it, but nooooo its not little import guys that are the assholes, its the domestics. Take your car and sell it for the $1000 its worth, take your sorry ass, get a job, move out of your parents house and get a real car. Where do you live 90zcerx?


who said that civic can't be beat? I said it was a possiblity that the civic could win with a couple of "ifs" there is only 3 people saying that the civic has a chance. i'm one of them and I own a ls1. Who the fuck is the dense person...you question the car your self..then a bunch of people who don't know anything about hondas bash teh car and you flip flop to bash the p-eople that are opne minded about cars. Then you bring in the price question..oh..you have to spend more ona honda...blah blah blah...that is a ricer excuse. i guess enjoy the car that your rents bought you...cause your 17..and unless your workign full time and not going to school..you could afford a ls1 and the insurance.

I jsut don't see why you people can't just admit that it is possible. and the whole thing..i hate you because you drive a import..or I hate you because you drive a mustang..that is so fucking juvenile. a car is a car...who gives a fuck if everyone owns one..jsut as long as it quick.

[ttocs]

who said that civic can't be beat? I said it was a possiblity that the civic could win with a couple of "ifs" there is only 3 people saying that the civic has a chance. i'm one of them and I own a ls1. Who the fuck is the dense person...you question the car your self..then a bunch of people who don't know anything about hondas bash teh car and you flip flop to bash the p-eople that are opne minded about cars. Then you bring in the price question..oh..you have to spend more ona honda...blah blah blah...that is a ricer excuse. i guess enjoy the car that your rents bought you...cause your 17..and unless your workign full time and not going to school..you could afford a ls1 and the insurance.

I jsut don't see why you people can't just admit that it is possible. and the whole thing..i hate you because you drive a import..or I hate you because you drive a mustang..that is so fucking juvenile. a car is a car...who gives a fuck if everyone owns one..jsut as long as it quick.

1.Hes the one that brought up the price question smarty.
2.Where did i say it wasnt possible? Where did anyone say it wasnt possible for a civic to win? It is, its just very slim in most cases...Get your eyes checked, alost everyone that posted me to win has said that.
3.If a car is a car why dont you do buy a plymoth sundance?
4.I do, i wouldent want a car that everyone else has.

He didnt directly say it but they try to make the car sound like its shit dont stink. I dont "hate" him because of the car he owns, its was his attitude towards the whole ordeal. I never said 1 insulting word or anything to downgrade civics/imports till he/they started it up. Yeah, my rents paid for 1/2 of my car, who cares? Are you jealous cuz your rents didnt spend money on you or something? I get good grades, work, do shit around the house, dont get in trouble so my rents like to do things for me. What does it really matter? I pay for gas, insurace, everything. I also have a $7000 quad that i race they paid nothing towards it. In fact, they hate it. And trust me, if i was spoiled ive have a fukin lambo, my rents have $$$. I work 5-6 days a week during the summer at 8-10hrs a day and an average of 10 hours a week during the school year since i was 15. I also worked at a little shop under the table when i was 14. Ive earned everything i have and am dam right proud of it! Go head, stick more words in my mouth :Ohno:

[graphicsgod]

:Popcorn: :shots:

:cold: :cold: :cold:

:lol: :lol:

Rob

[Zboner]

its still a honda, built for fuel economy

[BrandonDrecksage]

1.Hes the one that brought up the price question smarty.
2.Where did i say it wasnt possible? Where did anyone say it wasnt possible for a civic to win? It is, its just very slim in most cases...Get your eyes checked, alost everyone that posted me to win has said that.
3.If a car is a car why dont you do buy a plymoth sundance?
4.I do, i wouldent want a car that everyone else has.

He didnt directly say it but they try to make the car sound like its shit dont stink. I dont "hate" him because of the car he owns, its was his attitude towards the whole ordeal. I never said 1 insulting word or anything to downgrade civics/imports till he/they started it up. Yeah, my rents paid for 1/2 of my car, who cares? Are you jealous cuz your rents didnt spend money on you or something? I get good grades, work, do shit around the house, dont get in trouble so my rents like to do things for me. What does it really matter? I pay for gas, insurace, everything. I also have a $7000 quad that i race they paid nothing towards it. In fact, they hate it. And trust me, if i was spoiled ive have a fukin lambo, my rents have $$$. I work 5-6 days a week during the summer at 8-10hrs a day and an average of 10 hours a week during the school year since i was 15. I also worked at a little shop under the table when i was 14. Ive earned everything i have and am dam right proud of it! Go head, stick more words in my mouth :Ohno:

I would drive a sundance..some of them came with a sohc turbo 4cyl that is pretty stout. pretty much everyone in the thread has said that the civic has no chance. That is the only thing I'm arguing about. You know..since you admitted that..I have a lot mroe respect for you. Most people in your position would just lie. Its rare that someone is actually truthful.

[sapper_daddy]

okay all you guys have some good points but let's squash this one with geometry, do the math on the bore and stroke, sorry but the V-8 is going to walk past him because of the amount of tourque they can make. i have seen a 600hp civic get blasted by a stock ss with a decent driver, sorry it is just the way it works, if you ever read that 800hp ricer article that car driver had the BEST tuners in the world built them and a stock z06 beat ALL of their track times, road test and everything, drag straight out of the box. haha and the record for N/A is low 11s without glass and everything do some more research an ss out of the box does 13. I don't mean to make any of these comments to belittle anyone on here because this is just discussion so please dont get offended and yea i can take other people opinions into consideration so feel free to comment

[90zcrex]

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=55957.0
Look at these and calculate hp/weight numbers then talk shit

oh yea and most of the posts don't say it but they're all mostly hondas

[90zcrex]

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=55956.0

[colby72olds]

theres a guy in my town who drives a civic hatchback and he has taken the hubcaps off and the car is really ugly but, this guys liscence plate is a custom tag that says "toodles" and he has drag radials on the front. i dont really know what's done to his car, but i have seen this guy embarrass 02SS and a 2003 cobra....im sure he's gotta BIG turbo. i couldnt hear if it had a turbo or not because i was in a car when they raced, i dont like ricers, but i gotta give it to this guy, his car is FAST!

[oneBADDz]

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=55957.0
Look at these and calculate hp/weight numbers then talk shit

oh yea and most of the posts don't say it but they're all mostly hondas
buy a fast car and then talk shit :thumbdn: Bottom line, start building a FWD and a RWD and the RWD will get off the line faster. HP only makes it harder for a FWD thanks to weight transfer. Bottom line, better hp/weight ricer bs doesn't matter either, all that hp not backed with torque doesn't mean alot. power on paper means jack shit buddy, where are they at the track? behind the built V8s, that's how it works

[ttocs]

theres a guy in my town who drives a civic hatchback and he has taken the hubcaps off and the car is really ugly but, this guys liscence plate is a custom tag that says "toodles" and he has drag radials on the front. i dont really know what's done to his car, but i have seen this guy embarrass 02SS and a 2003 cobra....im sure he's gotta BIG turbo. i couldnt hear if it had a turbo or not because i was in a car when they raced, i dont like ricers, but i gotta give it to this guy, his car is FAST!

Yeah, and thats not some $2000 enigne/turbo kit either. I bet hes invested some SERIOUS $ into that car. Look at that guy with a built ls/vtec at 26psi, hes making 524hp and 347tq. Thats not much more tq then a stock ls1.

[BrandonDrecksage]

buy a fast car and then talk shit :thumbdn: Bottom line, start building a FWD and a RWD and the RWD will get off the line faster. HP only makes it harder for a FWD thanks to weight transfer. Bottom line, better hp/weight ricer bs doesn't matter either, all that hp not backed with torque doesn't mean alot. power on paper means jack shit buddy, where are they at the track? behind the built V8s, that's how it works

high hp and lower torque can be fixed with good gearing. If not..then why are ferraris and lambos fast...its normally what? 500hp 300tq?

[sapper_daddy]

the design of those motors cost multiple of thousands to overcome that and they make that at 5500 rpm not 7500 like honda motors dude you can't overcome tourque......plus the tourqe curve of those motors is FLAT from bottom to top, those honda sheets start at like 75ft lbs! It's the same characteristics of a Jap bike! Yeah it's possible man to build a motor that will smoke a v8 but you better rev to the moon and look how many times those motors broke just dynoing! As long as i am as poor as i am i will be building V8 motors and will beat the dude with a honda who is on the same budget as me......so if i see a 30K dollar honda civic, i'll promise you ricer guys i'll give you some props, if you are driving a supra i'll probably want to shake your hand, but it just ain't real, you wanna put that money where your mouth is go stick that thing on a go kart frame and run some 9's or better a VW and then you'll have something EXTREME till then you are just buying parts on the internet and buying into poor investments.

[lambo_orange_ss]

there is no way he can beat you in a honda civic unless he is spraying nos from first to fifth or he has the biggest turbo he could possibly have on a civic. i say smoke him and spend the money on gas

[V8This]

Wow, I read through every single post and all I see is a bunch of guys with HUGE egos and then a few that actually realize there are other cars out there beside an F-Body. Please, don't get me wrong, I love the LS series engine and it is a beast, but it can be beat.

As for the question about how a turbo civic can lose to an NA civic, that is an easy one. The turbo civic could in reality be making too much power (yes too much) and be spinning the whole way with a bad driving, while on the other hand, the NA civic has a good power band and isn't spinning all the way do the track.

While I do agree that nearly every Honda out there is riced out, there are a few that are done right. This will always leave you wondering, whether or not you are going against a typical ricer or a fast car. If you believe there is no way you can lose, then put your money on the line and race him. If you get your ass handed to you don't come crying back, if you win collect your money. It's that simple.

As for the guys that say tq is what wins races, that isn't always true today... When I had my Celica GT-S, I would launch the car at 6,000rpms. I sat right in my peak hp the entire race. I never needed the tq... So if this kid knows how to drive, the lack of tq, won't pose as much of a problem as you think...

[90zcrex]

finally, someone with some brains.

its ok guys, i'm just weeding out who i should or shouldn't take advice from when i get my ls1

[ttocs]

finally, someone with some brains.

its ok guys, i'm just weeding out who i should or shouldn't take advice from when i get my ls1

DONT GET AN LS1. They suck and can be beat by anyone thats smart, has good taste in cars, and has $2000!!!!!!!!!! :cold:

[V8This]

DONT GET AN LS1. They suck and can be beat by anyone thats smart, has good taste in cars, and has $2000!!!!!!!!!! :cold:


Ignorance is not a good thing my friend... He never said that a civic is the best car. He was simply stating that there is the potential that the civic might be able to beat the LS1, if it isn't the typical riced out civic.

Some of you really need to open you eyes up when it comes to cars. Start looking past the looks and more into the potential. Think about it, if you had a dented up POS civic, with a built and boosted motor, that would be the ultimate sleeper. Pair that with a good driver and all hell breaks loose... Imagine how much money you could make, doing stupid little $20 races or even better, you could challenge someone that is so caught up into their car and think that no one can beat them... Hmmmm, where have I seen that? Definently not in this thread...

[Zboner]

it does not matter what kind of car it is. it is who ever has the most money and wants to spend it. end of discussion. i can make a fucking van of waggon blow everyones doors off if i had 300,000 to blow on it. its just a money game anymore guys i think we all know that

[V8This]

it does not matter what kind of car it is. it is who ever has the most money and wants to spend it. end of discussion. i can make a fucking van of waggon blow everyones doors off if i had 300,000 to blow on it. its just a money game anymore guys i think we all know that

w3rd.

I have seen an old turbo Dodge van run an 11sec pass...

[ErikElvis]

Cars are preference. If someone likes to build civics let em. I was in and still am in the DSM crowd. It was a fun car but FWD is HARD to launch. With quite a bit of work i was runnin 14.1s @105. On the highway i could pull on a foxbody that ran high 12's. :dunno: And every car specialty forum has a majority that hold that kind of car on a high horse. Same on the DSM forums.... "well if i did this and that id kill that 20000 dollar stang".... Just sit back relax and enjoy cars. Its the individual attitudes that kill it for everyone. I know my LS1's not invincible but I do know its pretty.

[cobra12345]

i know a guy who has a civic it runs pretty good its still a ricer but he took it to the strip and ran some good numbers this is what he gots
95 Civic CX hatch Z6 posted block Eagle rods Wiseco pistons D15B head Si trans Quaife LSD
T3/T04B 54 trim FMIC 450's wideband and Crome Pro
18 psi Full interior
7.80 @ 88mph 1/8 mile.
thats not so bad bad for a 30 mpg car think it would run high 11s or low 12s in the 1/4 :Ohno:

[V8This]

i know a guy who has a civic it runs pretty good its still a ricer but he took it to the strip and ran some good numbers this is what he gots
95 Civic CX hatch Z6 posted block Eagle rods Wiseco pistons D15B head Si trans Quaife LSD
T3/T04B 54 trim FMIC 450's wideband and Crome Pro
18 psi Full interior
7.80 @ 88mph 1/8 mile.
thats not so bad bad for a 30 mpg car think it would run high 11s or low 12s in the 1/4 :Ohno:

To bad he isn't getting 30mpg anymore... I bought my STi thinking yeah its a 4 banger I'll get good mpg, but that my friend is a lie. I get worse mileage than a V8, but I am catless, so I know that is part of the problem.

[mavrikZ]

finally, someone with some brains.

its ok guys, i'm just weeding out who i should or shouldn't take advice from when i get my ls1

Apparently, you wont be able to take advise from anybody.
Your implication that everyone whom has responded negatively to your perception of imports is ignorant. Do you really think that everyone's negative reaction to your statements is ANY different than YOUR "ignorant" implications!? ON AN LS based board!?
You make some good points, and anyone who has been in the racing gig for any amount of time should have good sense enough to watch some of these cars(by some, I mean VERY, VERY few).
America is governed by the Magority rules concept. So most people on this board go with that philosophy because, after all, it has worked for HUNDREDS OF YEARS! That is why people are dogging these cars. The mojority rules, and the majority ARE slow. When you get an LS1, dude, you are going to feel dumb. Sorry, man:date:

[V8This]

Apparently, you wont be able to take advise from anybody.
Your implication that everyone whom has responded negatively to your perception of imports is ignorant. Do you really think that everyone's negative reaction to your statements is ANY different than YOUR "ignorant" implications!? ON AN LS based board!?
You make some good points, and anyone who has been in the racing gig for any amount of time should have good sense enough to watch some of these cars(by some, I mean VERY, VERY few).
America is governed by the Magority rules concept. So most people on this board go with that philosophy because, after all, it has worked for HUNDREDS OF YEARS! That is why people are dogging these cars. The mojority rules, and the majority ARE slow. When you get an LS1, dude, you are going to feel dumb. Sorry, man:date:

Depends on what majority of imports you look at... If you were to look at DSMs, Evos, STis, and imports of that nature then your philosophy fails. Also, I know that we are on an LS forum, but go to the Suby forum or the Evo forum. We give respect to domestic cars. In fact I love racing with the domestics, it actually makes for a good race compared to most other cars on the road. Don't think I am saying imports are slow, because honestly the only cars I tend to race are Mustang Cobras, LS series cars, Supras and other big dogs... However, even though I run high 12s, low 13s I consider my car to be very slow...

[mavrikZ]

That is just it. You cant "pick" the majority that you look at, the majority is the majority. Point blank. YOU do have a quick car. All of the cars you listed are inherently quick. However, there is a REASON that the majority of the cars you race are the ones posted. Because you are not going to waste your time(or gas) on inferior cars SUCH as the typical(READ: majority) Hondas and Nissans. You are part of a rare minority. But by trying to defend 'imports' in such a general sense, you insult yourself. Yall are in a different class. Yall realize that, thus you give props to the LS1's and Cobras formentioned.

[V8This]

That is just it. You cant "pick" the majority that you look at, the majority is the majority. Point blank. YOU do have a quick car. All of the cars you listed are inherently quick. However, there is a REASON that the majority of the cars you race are the ones posted. Because you are not going to waste your time(or gas) on inferior cars SUCH as the typical(READ: majority) Hondas and Nissans. You are part of a rare minority. But by trying to defend 'imports' in such a general sense, you insult yourself. Yall are in a different class. Yall realize that, thus you give props to the LS1's and Cobras formentioned.

There is a domestic for each import I don't race...

Civic - Cavalier
Sentra - Neon

I could go on, but it would be pointless, I think you get the idea.

[ttocs]

There is a domestic for each import I don't race...

Civic - Cavalier
Sentra - Neon

I could go on, but it would be pointless, I think you get the idea.

I dont really get the idea. There are more riced out civics out there then cavaliers, sentras and neons combined. Nothing can compare to the amount of these things out there. Theres a group around here called coc (means civic only club and is pronounced cock, yes i know, how adult like of them.) Every fri and sat you hear and see them going around trying to find people to race. First time i heard them i ran for cover, thought it was a smarm of bees heading my way. :wall:

[LS1Power06]

First time i heard them i ran for cover, thought it was a smarm of bees heading my way. :wall:

lmao that is funny.

[Wesman]

To bad he isn't getting 30mpg anymore... I bought my STi thinking yeah its a 4 banger I'll get good mpg, but that my friend is a lie. I get worse mileage than a V8, but I am catless, so I know that is part of the problem.

I've actualy heard that from a lot of STI/Evo owners. Less cylinders doesn't always mean better fuel economy, especially when the power is midway through the RPM range, and the gears are extremely short ratio.

What kind of MPG are you getting??

[mavrikZ]

There is a domestic for each import I don't race...

Civic - Cavalier
Sentra - Neon

I could go on, but it would be pointless, I think you get the idea.

Actually, no, Im afraid that I do not. Please elaborate.:thinkin:
If you are saying that domestic manufacturers make slow cars on par with the imports, I say "yes"...and? I fail to see the logic or relavance.

[V8This]

I've actualy heard that from a lot of STI/Evo owners. Less cylinders doesn't always mean better fuel economy, especially when the power is midway through the RPM range, and the gears are extremely short ratio.

What kind of MPG are you getting??

On a good day, with not much spirited driving, I would like to say I might get about 18 around the city. Throw in some spirited driving and I just watch the needle go towards the E.

Actually, no, Im afraid that I do not. Please elaborate.:thinkin:
If you are saying that domestic manufacturers make slow cars on par with the imports, I say "yes"...and? I fail to see the logic or relavance.

What I am trying to say, is that for each riced out Civic there is it's domestic counter part. In my area the rice is evenly spread to Civics, Neons, Sunfires, Cavaliers, Accords, and even Mustangs. I have seen a few Camaros with overly large wings as well, but who am I to talk about a big wing... :dunno:

[mavrikZ]

I have seen a few Camaros with overly large wings as well, but who am I to talk about a big wing... :dunno:[/QUOTE]

Ha, ha, nice one!:lol: I dont exactly agree with you that the quantitys are even, however, that is a mute point. Either way. I guess it would kinda suck to be guys like you(no offense), stuck in the middle. You dont have a "musclecar" and you dont have a "rice rocket". Yall are your own breed, and that makes yall tolerable to us, for the most part:lol: But really, when someone is bashing on imports, guys who drive cars like yours shortchange yourselves by assuming you are in that class. Dont get me wrong. I wouldnt give $5 for one of those cars(unless I could trade it for something with a V8), but those cars are not the typical(once again)majority, of non american cars that thrive on racing.

[V8This]

Ha, ha, nice one!:lol: I dont exactly agree with you that the quantitys are even, however, that is a mute point. Either way. I guess it would kinda suck to be guys like you(no offense), stuck in the middle. You dont have a "musclecar" and you dont have a "rice rocket". Yall are your own breed, and that makes yall tolerable to us, for the most part:lol: But really, when someone is bashing on imports, guys who drive cars like yours shortchange yourselves by assuming you are in that class. Dont get me wrong. I wouldnt give $5 for one of those cars(unless I could trade it for something with a V8), but those cars are not the typical(once again)majority, of non american cars that thrive on racing.

I like to say I have a Muscular Rice. Sure its not as beefy as a muscle car and it sure as hell isn't a whimpy ricer. It's just tone... :lol:

However, I didn't buy my car for straight line speed. I bought it for AutoX, so to be able to compete with people in the straight line and then go tear up the turns to me is the best thing ever.

[iLIKEtransAMS]

I have read all of the posts and I would just like to say the majority of you are idiots. :hide: (I especially noticed however, that V8this is not)

you ricer defenders, get real. This is a high school kid's honda who probable does not have the resources or know how to make it beat an ls1. we have one of those kids at our school (there seems to be one at every school). He has an eclipse with some type r engine in it and is running boost yadayadayada whatever. he says it runs like 11's and he got his ass handed to him by a G35. BUT BUT BUT there are fast ricers, I seen em' while I was drinking a forty with my homies. SHUT UP. yes there are fast rice burners (albeit very few), but it does take a lot of money for them to be fast and I would bet the $200 that he isn't what he says.

now, the domestics did all pull their cocks out and just automatically assume that the honda was going down, when they shouldn't have, b/c every car car be fast, but to call them retards and when they lash out at captain import: protector of all that is small, scream bloody murder and act like you're being accosted when you were "just trying to have an innocent conversation" is utterly ridiculous. You Are On An LS1 forum, and the majority of riceburners can't beat domestics.:hide:

There, now kiss and make up b/c you were both asses:yup:

[ttocs]

I have read all of the posts and I would just like to say the majority of you are idiots. :hide: (I especially noticed however, that V8this is not)

you ricer defenders, get real. This is a high school kid's honda who probable does not have the resources or know how to make it beat an ls1. we have one of those kids at our school (there seems to be one at every school). He has an eclipse with some type r engine in it and is running boost yadayadayada whatever. he says it runs like 11's and he got his ass handed to him by a G35. BUT BUT BUT there are fast ricers, I seen em' while I was drinking a forty with my homies. SHUT UP. yes there are fast rice burners (albeit very few), but it does take a lot of money for them to be fast and I would bet the $200 that he isn't what he says.

now, the domestics did all pull their cocks out and just automatically assume that the honda was going down, when they shouldn't have, b/c every car car be fast, but to call them retards and when they lash out at captain import: protector of all that is small, scream bloody murder and act like you're being accosted when you were "just trying to have an innocent conversation" is utterly ridiculous. You Are On An LS1 forum, and the majority of riceburners can't beat domestics.:hide:

There, now kiss and make up b/c you were both asses:yup:

Yeah, hes a highshool kid, so what? I am too, were both in the same grade in the same school---11th. Resources? All you need is the net and some common sense. This kid is really into his car, as i am with mine. Hell hes "probable" doing the same thing i am but on a honda site. :thinkin:

[90zcrex]

When are you gonna race this guy?

[ttocs]

When are you gonna race this guy?

When i get my car fixed. (poke fun if you want, haha) Goes to the shop this thursday.
And on a side note, his is also broke as we speek lol. But atleast his problem was simple to figure out. I could only wish mine was :toetap:

[90zcrex]

whats wrong with your car?

[ttocs]

whats wrong with your car?

I made a thread a few days ago. Something with the wiring. I worked on the thing for days with a total of like 20 hours and i couldent come up with anything. I even changed my fuel pump. (thats why it doesnt run, the pump wont turn on but theres other electrical shit going on too) But atleast i got a 255lph pump for when i need it in the future.

[90zcrex]

damn, i hate wiring. what other electrical shit is wrong with it?

[ttocs]

damn, i hate wiring. what other electrical shit is wrong with it?

http://ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17868

Theres the thread. Idk what all is wrong, if i did i would fix it. Everyone on this site and i still couldent get it narrowed down. I did everything i possibly could. Ill leave it up to the pro's now. Im thinking its the vcm. But if it is, that still hasent totally solved my problem becuase there is still that other thing that messed it up. It may have been fixed when my blinkers were fixed before but how am i to really know? Im just lost with it all at this point. :shots:

[90zcrex]

you should have them check your alternator and make sure its not overcharging. i've seen some weird shit from that. sounds like the pcm is fried though

[V8This]

I have read all of the posts and I would just like to say the majority of you are idiots. :hide: (I especially noticed however, that V8this is not)

I really hope that is not sarcasm... I have tried to be as unbiased as possible on this forum, which really isn't to hard for me, since I'm not really biased towards imports or domestics.

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

were both in the same grade in the same school---11th. :
You must be pullin some major ass with a car like that in 11th grade:yup:.....college will be better though...the ratio of chics that put out is better

[BrandonDrecksage]

I really hope that is not sarcasm... I have tried to be as unbiased as possible on this forum, which really isn't to hard for me, since I'm not really biased towards imports or domestics.


i think he was trying to say that you aren't dumb.

[V8This]

i think he was trying to say that you aren't dumb.

That's what I thought, but I didn't know if he was being sarcastic... There are a few people that don't like me at all on this forum, although I feel I haven't really given anybody a reason to not like me... Not that it really matters, since I don't know them nor will I meet them, but ehh...

Oh, to stay on topic... When/if you race this kid, please get it on tape!

[ttocs]

You must be pullin some major ass with a car like that in 11th grade:yup:.....college will be better though...the ratio of chics that put out is better

Haha yeah. Kinda sucks though. Most of the girls in this town are sluts anymore from 9-12th grade, hell theres even some of the little 7th and 8th graders. When in need (every weekend haha) i usually go to another near by town, i like to switch it up and it usually isnt hard, i know people from everywhere so partys are easy to come by. But im in a crisis right now, i havent had my car in almost 3 weeks and ill be lucky if i have it back in another 3. So my rate of beating cheeks has dropped considerably in these past 3 weeks. :nilly:

[V8This]

Haha yeah. Kinda sucks though. Most of the girls in this town are sluts anymore from 9-12th grade, hell theres even some of the little 7th and 8th graders. When in need (every weekend haha) i usually go to another near by town, i like to switch it up and it usually isnt hard, i know people from everywhere so partys are easy to come by. But im in a crisis right now, i havent had my car in almost 3 weeks and ill be lucky if i have it back in another 3. So my rate of beating cheeks has dropped considerably in these past 3 weeks. :nilly:

Get a girlfriend then... I never have to worry about getting some, she comes to me nearly everyday wanting it!

Catholic School Girls = <3s teh cock!