burnout questions for automatics

[shady1504]

Since I got my 3.42's I've been able to do burnouts on street tires without any water, but I just got drag radials and I couldn't even burn them out without water. I had to have somebody pour water for me since the track I go to doesn't have a waterbox. Does anyone else have the same problem on drag radials? Also I'm thinking about getting a stall converter, but I'm wondering how do you do a burnout with a stall converter if even possible?

[97formula]

isnt that good if you cant burn out on your launch at the track? :)

[shady1504]

not on my launch I'm talking about actually trying to do a burnout to warm up the tires.

[97formula]

What kind of drag radials do you have?

[oneBADDz]

If you can't burn em then why would you need to warm em up?

[shady1504]

If you can't burn em then why would you need to warm em up? For better traction off the line. I have BFG's.

[oneBADDz]

I don't get it though, if you can't spin em you don't need a burnout cause you have 100% traction. Am I misunderstanding? And if you spin em off the line then you can do a burnout? I'm confused

[shady1504]

I think you're confused. I'm not talking about spinning them when you launch off the line but rather before when you're suppose to warm them up. Does this make sense?

[oneBADDz]

I think you're confused as to the aspect of my confusion. You say you can't do a burnout to warm them up. You don't need to warm them up if you can't spin them anyways. If you have such good traction that you can't warm them up, why would you need to warm them up?

[x-40oz-x]

I think you're confused as to the aspect of my confusion. You say you can't do a burnout to warm them up. You don't need to warm them up if you can't spin them anyways. If you have such good traction that you can't warm them up, why would you need to warm them up?
:werd:

[White 95 T/A]

I dont think u need to change anythin lol jus line up n go.

:drivin:

[shady1504]

So are you guys saying that I don't need to do a little burn out with drags radials to warm them up for better traction?

[cailey37]

Since I got my 3.42's I've been able to do burnouts on street tires without any water, but I just got drag radials and I couldn't even burn them out without water. I had to have somebody pour water for me since the track I go to doesn't have a waterbox. Does anyone else have the same problem on drag radials? Also I'm thinking about getting a stall converter, but I'm wondering how do you do a burnout with a stall converter if even possible?

Ok....let's try this.....Your drag radials WILL need to be warmed up BEFORE you run....the compound in them gets maximum traction when you get the temps on them.....if you want the scientific explanation I will go into it...but just know that the reason you're spinning them before you run is to get temperature in them.....the reason you are having trouble spinning them is they are simply softer than your other tires....no worries...just have someone put water in front of them for you and then go to town......

[shady1504]

Aren't drag radials suppose to cut time off your 1/4 mile times? Before drag radials my best would be a 13.8 on street tires and when I went out there on drag radials my best runs were 13.8 also. I was spinning through first on street tires thats why I went out and got drag radials for better traction and better times.

[cailey37]

Aren't drag radials suppose to cut time off your 1/4 mile times? Before drag radials my best would be a 13.8 on street tires and when I went out there on drag radials my best runs were 13.8 also. I was spinning through first on street tires thats why I went out and got drag radials for better traction and better times.

You should see an improvement in your times.....next time.....do like I said above.....get some temp in the tires......

[shady1504]

Thanks a lot cailey37 you answered my question.

[cailey37]

Thanks a lot cailey37 you answered my question.

Not a prob.........good luck at the track....let me know how much improvement you get.

[oneBADDz]

why don't I understand

[cailey37]

why don't I understand

What dont you understand??

[oneBADDz]

I don't understand why you would need to fight for a burnout. If it's that hard to do a burnout then you can't spin em off the line anyways and don't need to heat em up

[Ed Blown Vert]

If you can't spin them to do a burnout. Then you won't spin them at the line. Just line them up and go.

Since you have an A4, get a converter.

[cailey37]

I don't understand why you would need to fight for a burnout. If it's that hard to do a burnout then you can't spin em off the line anyways and don't need to heat em up

Let me see if I can explain this.....Drag radials are made of a soft compound designed to give you optimum traction at the track while still meeting DOT street requirements. Now, the compound on the drag radials is harder than the compound you'd find on a true drag tire.. BUT, the compound is based on a racing compound and it needs to be heated up to get maximum traction. The reason he's probably not getting them to spin is because 1) The compound has better traction that his radial tires had........but they need to get some heat in them to get the true grip they are intended to provide.......if you could look at the pores on the tire thru a microscope after a burn out you'd see they open up.....when this happens it's basically making the tire a sponge to the track surface....the VHT they put down....does that makes sense???? If the tires are cold the surface isn't "opened" up.....if this doesn't clear it up I can try again.....but I know I tend to ramble.....

[Ed Blown Vert]

That's true, but if he is not spinning off the line. Why worry about a burnout?

[cailey37]

That's true, but if he is not spinning off the line. Why worry about a burnout?

It could be his launch techniques.......I'm trying to remember when my car was stock....it was originally an auto with 2.73's in the rear and I still managed to spin the tires on a launch........I just know that the tires will need heat in them before you take off.......

[x-40oz-x]

and I still managed to spin the tires on a launch
But if shady1504's tires don't spin on the launch there shouldn't be a reason for a burnout cause they're already hooking. Right?
:thinkin:

[cailey37]

But if shady1504's tires don't spin on the launch there shouldn't be a reason for a burnout cause they're already hooking. Right?
:thinkin:

It really isn't this difficult......read the posts......I also said it could be launch techniques.....I assure you his car can break the tires loose.....Shady1504 understands now......and I can't speak for him because I dont know but ask him how he launches.....if he's just taking up drag racing........

Bottom line: Drag radials need to be warmed up before you race.....you guys are gonna get me to drinking again....:shots:

[x-40oz-x]

Alright then.:drunk:

[Ed Blown Vert]

Bottom line: Drag radials need to be warmed up before you race.....you guys are gonna get me to drinking again....:shots:

Thats not true, if you are hooking at the line without a burnout. There is no need for one.

[cailey37]

Thats not true, if you are hooking at the line without a burnout. There is no need for one.

Ok....I give up.....

[shady1504]

I never said I was hooking at the line without a burnout on drag radials. I was talking about trying to burn out in with the drag radials and not being able to. But it's not like this is my first time drag racing, I've been doing this for about two years. My launch technique has always been the same but this was my first time on drag radials.

[Ed Blown Vert]

Well that would have help alot if we knew that in the beginning.

Your going to have to use water to spin the tires.

[sqwillis]

yea, If you cant light em up then thats good. You do not need to burnout b4 if you are not burning out on ur launch. Are you burning out when you go down the track?

[DBN]

When you change to a looser converter you will definately need to heat the tires because they will spin off the line. The looser converter will really help your ET. Even though you are launching without spinning the tires (so you think) if you could get a video where you could watch the tires in slow motion I believe you would see some loss of traction. I think you need to heat the tires now and certainly when you go to a looser converter. Even though it doesn't feel like the tires are spinning, I bet that if you heat them before running that you will run quicker.

[juiced99ws6]

Ok I have to back cailey on this because I could not get a powerbrake for shit on dry road (turns out it was because of my sway bar missing an endlink) but then when I would take off at the line I would spin almost clear to the 1/8 at times.. However if his times did not improve when he put on the DR's they will not be likely to improve when he heats them. They will help most cars but he seems to have more of a weight transfer problem than anything. I would say some looser shocks up front and disconnect the front sway bar and possibly some gas shocks in the rear and he could see another couple of tenths.