LS6 Conversion FOR CHEAP

[Sarge]

Cheap and easy way to get 400HP...from our sponsor Fred Beans
LS6 Heads 12564824
Head Gaskets Kit 12498544
Intake Gaskets 12533587
LS6 Camshaft 12565308
Crank Bolt 12557840
Crank Seal 12585673
Water Pump Gaskets 12559271 X2
Front cover Gasket 12574294

And Bolts depending on Production date

All this for Only$1714.72

Plus $75.00 Shipping
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Jeremy Fink
Shipping Manager
Fred Beans Pontiac
40 Auto Park Blvd
Limerick, PA 19465
(610)495-1700

[1fastcamarosss11]

i have this set up it is great.

[Sarge]

That is cheap horsepower.....dayum good price.....

[1fastcamarosss11]

just got my 22 lees then a month ago with alot of mods car is pretty fast.

[eric n]

I'm sorry for being a newbie, but doesn't the ls2 already have 400 hp exceedingly impressive hp or are you refering to 400 rwhp???

I'm sure it's a dumb question....and I'm just the guy to ask it.

[Rob]

That's for an LS1. The LS2 already is an '01 LS6 for the most part. Same heads and cam but bigger displacement.

[Sarge]

I'm sorry for being a newbie, but doesn't the ls2 already have 400 hp exceedingly impressive hp or are you refering to 400 rwhp???

I'm sure it's a dumb question....and I'm just the guy to ask it.
No dumb questions.....just questions.....
The LS2 is not 400 Rear Wheel Horsepower....that is SAE rated at the flywheel 400hp....more like 350ish RWHP...the 04 LS1's were putting down 290ish RWHP

[Jagged]

How much to have it Installed?

[Sarge]

How much to have it Installed?
Any reputable shop should charge around 12-14 hours +/- and then a dyno tune.I paid around $2500 labor but also did the convertor/headers/exhaust at the same time.....

[Galen]

No dumb questions.....just questions.....
The LS2 is not 400 Rear Wheel Horsepower....that is SAE rated at the flywheel 400hp....more like 350ish RWHP...the 04 LS1's were putting down 290ish RWHP

HUH?!? The LS6 was also rated at the crank. Yes, the LS2 does have the LS6 heads, but I am pretty sure the camshaft is different (like anyone would go through the trouble of installing a stock camshaft). They also come with an different intake that flows worse than the late LS1/LS6 intake.

As far as bang for the buck, why suggest stock LS6 heads when you can get Patriot Performance, TEA, Precision Porting ......heads that flow much better for about the same coin. Heck, the new Dart heads are also in the same price range, and should rival or exceed the almighty AFR heads. If someone were patient, they could also wait on the LS7 style truck head designed for smaller displacement than the LS7.

Galen

[Sarge]

Hey Galen...and welcome to the board man.....dunno if your an old timer or not...but welcome back if applicable:)
I have the Patriot Heads/Comp Cam on the GTO now and they rock for sure....I am saying for this price it aint bad for the budget minded hot rodder.....complete package....with the Patriot setup...by the time I got finished with all the valves/springs etc. etc. gaskets and crap it was double this price....keep in mind this is offered not as the end all to top end mods...but a damn great budget mod that performs very well....

[jon_scholl]

Where do you get that kind of pricing? from the guy in PA?

I can't find heads for less than 750 apiece

[1fastcamarosss11]

i made a mistake i have the slp heads, cam and ls6 intake thanks jeremy:yup:

[camaros4ever]

What is the lifts and duration on the cam, also do you have new lifters for the cam. Are these parts new or used?
Last what is the gas MPG with this setup in the city and highway
Thanks

[Sarge]

HUH?!? The LS6 was also rated at the crank. Yes, the LS2 does have the LS6 heads, but I am pretty sure the camshaft is different (like anyone would go through the trouble of installing a stock camshaft). They also come with an different intake that flows worse than the late LS1/LS6 intake.

As far as bang for the buck, why suggest stock LS6 heads when you can get Patriot Performance, TEA, Precision Porting ......heads that flow much better for about the same coin. Heck, the new Dart heads are also in the same price range, and should rival or exceed the almighty AFR heads. If someone were patient, they could also wait on the LS7 style truck head designed for smaller displacement than the LS7.

Galen
Huh back at ya:) I answered the question of RWHP LS2...it is not 400RWHP...it is 400 Rated at the crank (no drivetrain loss)....I am not suggesting anything....Beans posted these prices on the net....damn good pricing...And for the record....My Patriot Stage II were damn near $1700 for the set...with this setup you get the cam/the works and the heads...
EDIT...Sorry just noticed you implied ( or I took it incorrectly) that the LS6 and LS2 heads are really one in the same....I agree the LS2 heads begin life as a LS6 casting....but there are differences for sure...check out the port sizes/flow etc. between the two....a CNC Mill earned its money...

[Galen]

Sarge, if there are flow differences between the LS2 and LS6, that is info that you have that I have never seen. I do know they start life as 243(if I remember right) castings.

I still stand by the statement that, for the money, the LS6 head can be easily beaten if someone wants to do a little homework. The prices of heads have dropped drastically since you paid $1700 for your stage IIs from Patriot.

As for camshafts, I still feel there are better ones out there if one wants to research a little. Heck, I got my LG g5x3 on 114lsa for $250 used. Picking up heads around Christmas time and should have this thing rocking shortly thereafter.

I do appologize if this sounded like I was bashing Fred Beans. He gives awesome prices, and if you need to buy GM parts, you need to give him a shout. I needed some body parts, and the prices he gave me could not be beaten. I ended up getting them locally at my Chevy dealer here because of shipping(both price and handling), but without a quote from Fred Beans, I would have never gotten the pricing I got. I will definitely buy all my smaller parts from them without fail.

Galen

[Zboner]

to bad they dont make the conversion for the 98 ls1's oh well, ill just port the headds i got and save some cash.

[Whatever]

What about the LS6 intake manifold? Doesn't work with the GTO, or already has it?

[Realm]

I have a 98vert will the LS6 conversion not work?

Plus will AFR heads fit? Also whats the deal with the new Darts?

[Sarge]

I dunno...this is the GTO section...doubt a fella could get many F-Body answers here....

[Honboy1]

With this setup from Fred Beans, will it work well with only a catback and no headers? Also, is this reliable horsepower? Will I be able to drive my WS6 to work and back without wearing the engine? Sorry, but I don't know shit when it comes to heads and cams!!!!

[Realm]

I have a 98vert will the LS6 conversion not work?

Plus will AFR heads fit? Also whats the deal with the new Darts?


I dunno...this is the GTO section...doubt a fella could get many F-Body answers here....

I apologize that was my first post...
since "ZBoner" mentioned 98 Ls1's I knew he wasn't talking GTO's

Newayz ......MY 98 is a vette but if anyone knows the answers to my questions please feel free.

Thanx:think:

[Sarge]

Zboner is a idiot. Rides the lil bus to school. Yes...the conversion will work for your ride man....

[Realm]

Zboner is a idiot. Rides the lil bus to school. Yes...the conversion will work for your ride man....

Thanx for the reply.

I'm just full of questions tonite....
the next on that's been on my mind....
Escalade heads, I believe that they are LQ9.....
Are they Big chambered versions of the LS6 head?

[98_Formula]

What about the LS6 intake manifold? Doesn't work with the GTO, or already has it?

the 04 gto has the ls6 intake... the 05's are an ls2, so they have an ls2 intake.

[Sarge]

It is a "known" performer...in other words....there is no guess work....tried and true...consistent and very drivable......very good cost efficiency as it relates to RWHP delivered......short answer is yes.....

[Loubo]

Sarge - U mentioned Fred Beans - Which Beans are you talking about. Just ordered mine from Beans in Limerick, PA

[MNR-0]

What about the LS6 intake manifold? Doesn't work with the GTO, or already has it?
GTO already has them. The later '05 with the revised PCM and FBW TB might have the LS2 intake though.

[Radkon]

What about the LS6 intake manifold? Doesn't work with the GTO, or already has it?
The LS1 powered GTO's come witht he LS6 intake. They are bastard children :D

[jagular]

The LS1 powered GTO's come witht he LS6 intake. They are bastard children :D

Yes. I wish GM had put in the LS6 heads/cam and tune on the '04s. They went half the way there but they probably didn't want the GTO's HP to compete with the '04 'Vette (although the GTO is so heavy there wouldn't be any competition in performance).

[Rob]

The LS6 intake came on all LS1's from '01 on. The LS1 in the GTO is a '01-'02 F-Body LS1. Right down to the cam.

[say'n somthin]

Summit Racing offers the GM Performance Parts LS1 to LS6 Conversion Package as well. Prices vary per year from 1799.00 - 2199.00. For those who are interested, it is in their catalog in the TPI/LT1/LS1 section.

[Apostle]

What about the LS6 intake manifold? Doesn't work with the GTO, or already has it?
The 04 GTO has the LS6 Intake and Block with the LS1 Heads and my understanding a 2001 LS1 cam.

The LS2 has a new Intake with an LS2 Block and LS6 Heads and my understanding a 2002 LS6 cam.

[Rob]

04 has 01-02 F-Body cam
05-06 has 01 LS6 cam

[camaronx]

I dunno...this is the GTO section...doubt a fella could get many F-Body answers here....
and speaking of gto's----turning the key on your new 402 soon?---anu progress updates would be great---thanks sarge

[Sarge]

Yup...these things do drag on and on dont they:)
We fiddle farted around for a week on the top end setup...the spinner assembly we had to wait on Eagle and the crank so that postponed the entire thing for awhile...so while we waited we went ahead and added a custom driveshaft and some other chassis crap done to it to handle the new RWHP......
So we ordered a lingenfelter oil pump....160 stat....Underdrive pulley.....wrapped headers and argued/discussed the head/cam setup till our peckers fell off.....ended up with the Patriot Stage II's 64CC chambers and a lil custom cutting.....cam we had made... 238/242, .602 lift on a 114.....so all this crap is now showing up and we will be getting her done this week...hopefully:)

[camaronx]

Yup...these things do drag on and on dont they:)
We fiddle farted around for a week on the top end setup...the spinner assembly we had to wait on Eagle and the crank so that postponed the entire thing for awhile...so while we waited we went ahead and added a custom driveshaft and some other chassis crap done to it to handle the new RWHP......
So we ordered a lingenfelter oil pump....160 stat....Underdrive pulley.....wrapped headers and argued/discussed the head/cam setup till our peckers fell off.....ended up with the Patriot Stage II's 64CC chambers and a lil custom cutting.....cam we had made... 238/242, .602 lift on a 114.....so all this crap is now showing up and we will be getting her done this week...hopefully:)
I know that it will be ready---it's good that us older guys have a little more patience---sh!t takes time---it would be nice if parts were all at same place but when your ordering from 30 different parts makers it takes awhile for them to get there---and of course you know that at least one very integral, ( must have part) that has to be had before you can go any farther will be late as hello and when it does get there it will be the wrong part and will have to be sent back---that always happens too---keep us posted---and if you give up i got first dibs on your harrop dif cover---lol j/k

[Sarge]

Yup....patience I got lots of....would rather do it right than get in a damn hurry....I've been watching an argument on another forum about if a guy has a modified LS1 with LS6 heads or does he have a LS6.....it is funnier than hell....the things kids will argue about on the damn internet.....hell...at the end of the day...heads/cam/intake and slap a LS6 badge on your LS1...cuz you got an LS6 now:)

[camaronx]

Yup....patience I got lots of....would rather do it right than get in a damn hurry....I've been watching an argument on another forum about if a guy has a modified LS1 with LS6 heads or does he have a LS6.....it is funnier than hell....the things kids will argue about on the damn internet.....hell...at the end of the day...heads/cam/intake and slap a LS6 badge on your LS1...cuz you got an LS6 now:)
That is all an ls6 is, just cam-- heads--& intake on an ls1---

[blackonblack]

Sarge -
Does this set up get 400HP at the crank or at the wheels?

[Sarge]

Sarge -
Does this set up get 400HP at the crank or at the wheels?
Crank...a LS1 puts down around 290 to the wheels stock...with the LS6 conversion you will pick up around 50 to the wheels...the cost to RWHP is very good...slap a CAI and headers on there and your a beast....cheap...
bottom line....your putting down more than a stock LS2 no problem...and for the cost...you can't beat it.....
Now I'm gonna go and stir up some shit.......
IMHO and experiance....once you add over 75RWHP you need a new motor...the LS1/2's bottom ends are not built to take it reliably....from strictly a cost perspective you are better off if you just go 40X Iron Block and get over 150+RWHP N/A.....you will be much happier in the end and save a lot of money.....

[On Spray]

Sarge the lsx bottom end's can take more than 75 extra hp bro. And don't be fooled by these LS2 LS6 heads 243 castings for they have the big heavy sluger valves in them and not the rare Z06 lightweight valves!

[Sarge]

Sarge the lsx bottom end's can take more than 75 extra hp bro. And don't be fooled by these LS2 LS6 heads 243 castings for they have the big heavy sluger valves in them and not the rare Z06 lightweight valves!
I think the LSX stock bottom ends can take a 150 shot....but they wont last long with those pansy ass rod bolts on there.....not long at all......

[blackonblack]

Sarge,
You have gotten much better looking since I last saw you!

[Naf]

Hey,

So tryin to keep up with the conversaion here, you guys go everywhere, the LS1 with LS6 heads, cam, and intake is a good combo.

I posted elsewhere that am changin my heads and FAST LSX 90mm intake, but for now leave the cam stock. I have Allen doing the tune for me and i will also monitor the A/f ratio for safe keepin. Fine tuning always scores more power and a smoother line.

On paper i should be around 375-405 flywheel Hp and in the neighboorhood of 350-380ftlb.

Please correct me if i am wrong.

In any case stock i spashed a BMW 540 and a Merc E???. The two of them were dualin and i took them both on the inside. My next goal is to play with the big boys...Z06, Father is gettin one and can't let him get off passin me easily...Good news is i have till the end of Jan to "soup it up" :kick:

[Sarge]

With a Allen Nelson tune you'll be north of 400 across the board....with that setup...

[jacobyb]

Is there a website I can link to and see the parts?