How would a 3000 GT VR4 Twin Turbo do against a LT1 or LS1 F-body?

[White 95 T/A]

Hey guys theres a 3000GT VR4 Twin Turbo (AWD) around my parts that wants to race me in my 95 Trans Am or my friend in his 01 T/A WS6.

If either of us were to race the 3000Gt how would the outcome be?
Has anyone here raced a 3000GT VR4 and would like to share their story?

Please post if you know, thx.

[JattGunMan]

depends if either of the vehicles have any mods done to them..a 1999 vr4 is rated at 320 hp and 315 ft tq(msnautos.com)which is pretty good i dont know how much it weighs but it does have awd which might help him out alot..

[White 95 T/A]

I believe its 95-97, not sure on exact year. All of our cars are stock, the WS6 is a M6 the 3000GT VR4 is either M5 or M6 n i have an A4 heh

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

awd and they're heavy....stock for stock you shouldn't have a prob. But boosted engines have good gains when modded...so be careful either way

[White 95 T/A]

My A4 LT-1 should be able to handle him from a 20-30 roll right? With my performance mode button thing on i shift into 2nd around 70 or so when it red lines then i hear my tires chirp heh :drivin:

Also i know his car is stock because we've looked at the engine, exhaust and inside of the car last weekend.

[twilbourn]

You shouldn't have a problem with the 3000GT if it isn't boosted. if you take him from a roll at 25-35 he will be getting close to redlining first gear so you will not have a problem at all from a roll. a stop on the other hand just hook up and pray he doesn't get too far out front. :drivin: the VR-4's can be sick if driver knows what hes doing.

[White 95 T/A]

You shouldn't have a problem with the 3000GT if it isn't boosted. if you take him from a roll at 25-35 he will be getting close to redlining first gear so you will not have a problem at all from a roll. a stop on the other hand just hook up and pray he doesn't get too far out front. :drivin: the VR-4's can be sick if driver knows what hes doing.


The 3000GT im talkin about is twin turbo'd , I've already beat the N/A 3000GT's by numerous car lenghts with givin them a head start heh

I will try to set somethin up for this or next weekend to see wht will happen :)

[twilbourn]

I was meaning boosted above the stock boost of what ever it is. 8-12 psi?? can anyone remeber what it is?

[White 95 T/A]

I was meaning boosted above the stock boost of what ever it is. 8-12 psi?? can anyone remeber what it is?

Oh lol, sorry for my misunderstanding your post :cheers:

[Vette4LIFE]

if he's stock and he can drive, he will leave you on the launch and by about 80 or 90 you'll walk by him. If he has upped the boost to the safe 14.5 or 15 psi(safe on stock fuel system) and has no cats, then he will be at 300awhp instead of 240awhp. If he's done those things and his car is healthy you will be in for a fight. But stock, you will catch up and walk by.

I know bc I sold mine to get the vette.:burnout:

[Roastem]

if he's stock and he can drive, he will leave you on the launch and by about 80 or 90 you'll walk by him. If he has upped the boost to the safe 14.5 or 15 psi(safe on stock fuel system) and has no cats, then he will be at 300awhp instead of 240awhp. If he's done those things and his car is healthy you will be in for a fight. But stock, you will catch up and walk by.

I know bc I sold mine to get the vette.:burnout:

Hard to argue with a man who had them both. Any car that came with a turbo or supercharger shouldn't be underestimated. I have heard the VR4 can be real wicked when money is thrown at it, plus AWD...

You know, ricers brag about their turbo performance, but some of the fastest turbo cars out there are GM products (Grand Nationals, the Turbo Trans Am, Syclones, Typhoons)

[White 95 T/A]

if he's stock and he can drive, he will leave you on the launch and by about 80 or 90 you'll walk by him. If he has upped the boost to the safe 14.5 or 15 psi(safe on stock fuel system) and has no cats, then he will be at 300awhp instead of 240awhp. If he's done those things and his car is healthy you will be in for a fight. But stock, you will catch up and walk by.

I know bc I sold mine to get the vette.:burnout:


Heh I think we might have somethin set-up for this saturday, hopefully this :Ohno: turns into :firedevil

My 95 LT-1 A4 T/A will go against his M6 98 3000GT VR4 heh :drivin:

[Danger731]

standin by for results :Popcorn:

[White 95 T/A]

Hey guys i had another q before i race the guy.

My rear tires dont have as much rubber on em as my front tires do, and since this is my first rwd car i wanted to make sure that it was okay for me to rotate the front tires to the rear and the rear tires up front.

Would this cause any traction problems up front with turning or no?

[lee1rbc]

Don't rotate you will prob get worse traction, plus You are already know the set up You have now.

[White 95 T/A]

Ok bud thanks for the reply :). I guess ill just leave the tires alone for now and either upgrade to new wheels and tires in the summer or step-up to an LS-1 Trans Am IF i can find a decent one around me heh. I've only had my T/A for about 3 months or so, nothing wrong with it but if i can an LS-1 to trade it in for then i will probably do it :burnout: .

Is that a good idea or should I jus keep my LT-1 T/A?

[shadegray]

Oh, you're an LT1? What mods? Stock for stock, an ls1 will take a vr4 or tt stealth. I actually started reading ls1 boards a long time ago, when I was considering one of those cars, at 3si.org some people said something about an ls1 being a better platform for speed.

[White 95 T/A]

Currently I am 100% Stock even have the 16" Swirly wheels :lol:
Love my LT1 and pushin the lil performance mode button on my auto tranny is awesome, shifts around redline chirps tires goin into 2nd almost everytime lol :love: :drivin:

[oneBADDz]

I raced a 99, it's in the kills section. He'd upped his boost though. The one I raced with upped boost would've taken out a stock LT1, but with stock boost I don't know. They are rated at 13.9 in the 1/4 stock, so it could end up being one hell of a race. You should get ahold of a video camera for us. . . :yup:

[EE1983]

+1 on it being a good race. I dont think an A4 LT1 can take it but the M6 LS1 surely can. The VR4's are 6speeds and AWD and weigh a ridiculous 3800lbs (give or take 50). Just make sure he's not modded! Full exhaust and a boost controller will add in the neighborhood of 50whp.

[White 95 T/A]

Yea hes def not modded except for some underbody neons.

I will enjoy this race win or lose heh :burnout:

I Plan to do the following by middle/end of summer
Intake - Not sure maybe SLP or other
Exhaust - GMMG w/ either GMMG oval tips or Corsa duals
Longtube headers - Pacesetter
Y-Pipe - Not Sure
Wheels/Tires - Not sure
3.73 gears - maybe, I have 3.23s stock

Hopefully i can get myself into the low 13s (High 12s :D ) with that set-up and keep up wit my friends 01 WS6 :drivin: , i've beat a stock 98 or 99 formula from a stop driver looked crappy with his friend yellin at him for losing lol:lol:

[EE1983]

Yea hes def not modded except for some underbody neons.



:sillyme:

I hope you wax him just for having those :yup:

[White 95 T/A]

:sillyme:

I hope you wax him just for having those :yup:

I will do my best man If I don't beat him now by end of summer I will definately beat him lol

[PureSpeed]

i wouldnt get too hyped about it yet...i have a 97 vr-4 and a 02 z28. My z is faster than the 3000 cause its got more torque, but you having an A4 might have a little trouble. Heres some specs for the 97-99 vr-4's: 3.0 liter twin turbo V6 DOHC 24-valves, 320 HP @ 6000 rpm, 315 ft-lbs @ 2500 rpm, M6, AWD. It weights roughly 3,750 lbs<--one heavy sucker. If you take him from a stop, he'll rip you a new one. Youll be spinning, and he'll be long gone. If you take him from a roll, you may have a chance. Hope this helps, best of luck to you.

[Raoul-Duke]

Vr4's Are Dogs Unless Modded Decently, For One They Weigh Close To 4000lbs, Their Awd Helps But Runs Outta Breathe Round 70-80mph, I Took One When My Z Was Stock, His Was Stock Too Of Course, I Would Love To See How Bad They Get Beat If I Raced One Now

[lee1rbc]

If Your LT1 is bone stock A4, with avg tires, You will be around a 14.2 car at 98mph. That would be with a 2.15 60ft or better. Stock VR4s run a 13.8 at around 98mph. That would be with a 1.95 60ft or better. (AWD)

My 95 A4 LT1 Z28 did a best 13.89 at 100mph, with a 2.08 60ft. That was with C/Air, air foil, cat back, alumn D/shaft,pan hard and L/control arms. Still had stock 16s and 3.23s. I also used a tuner to change my shift points to 6,200 and firm shifts.

My 98 T/A bone stock A4 with 2.73s ran 13.53 at 103mph with a 2.05 60ft.

[Raoul-Duke]

If Your LT1 is bone stock A4, with avg tires, You will be around a 14.2 car at 98mph. That would be with a 2.15 60ft or better. Stock VR4s run a 13.8 at around 98mph. That would be with a 1.95 60ft or better. (AWD)

My 95 A4 LT1 Z28 did a best 13.89 at 100mph, with a 2.08 60ft. That was with C/Air, air foil, cat back, alumn D/shaft,pan hard and L/control arms. Still had stock 16s and 3.23s. I also used a tuner to change my shift points to 6,200 and firm shifts.

My 98 T/A bone stock A4 with 2.73s ran 13.53 at 103mph with a 2.05 60ft.
his z is a4..ohhh...yeah mine is a m6 when i beat the vr4 i aslo had a cai

[shadegray]

Completely sure he's stock too, right? A boost controller for him costs $20.

[wickedtalon90]

My brother has a 1992 3000GT vr4. Stock they run a 13.8 in a QT mile. they weigh a little over 4,000 pounds and run 9 psi stock. Do not run him for top speed the 5 speed will top out at 192mph. im not sure about the 6 speed. if you need anything else let me kno.

[secondgearscratch]

My brother has a 1992 3000GT vr4. Stock they run a 13.8 in a QT mile. they weigh a little over 4,000 pounds and run 9 psi stock. Do not run him for top speed the 5 speed will top out at 192mph. im not sure about the 6 speed. if you need anything else let me kno.

did you happen to notice the date on the last post before yours?

[wickedtalon90]

[nope sorry. im new

[secondgearscratch]

[nope sorry. im new

its completely cool. :cheers:

try to stay in current threads though...

[wickedtalon90]

will do

[JwMonE99]

We never did get results for that race

[2000T/A Guru]

Heres is the thing you cant just say your stock lt1 runs a 14.2, my formula with 2.73s ran a 14.2 and he has 3.23s, and i have seen stock autos hit high 13s

[Getzen_Guy]

yeah man those VR-4's are wicked fast... especially modded out, my buddy has one, and that thing ran a 12.7 on the stock turbos, with bolt-ons... and he's since added bigger turbos and a shit-load of other stuff...
It's an LSX killer man(Search For Vids on VR-4 on streetfire, user name is jrod/ raced an ls1 ta, lt1 camaro, WRX w/100 shot, twin Turbo 300zx, Turbo Supra etc.. all kills man)... stock shouldn't be a big deal though, I mean.. they only boost like 8 psi... and like 13.5? they're nice cars, make the shitty SL's look even shittier...
GOOD LUCK MAN

[N20LT4]

The outcome of this race can go just about either way. I've seen 3000 VR-4's run mid to high 13's @ 101 and some go 14.1-14.0 @ 98, so it just really depends. If I had to make a guess though, I would probably say in best case scenario for both cars the VR4 would have a bit to much for a stock LT1 A4. Now a 6-speed LT should have no problem going tit for tat if not pulling one.

[secondgearscratch]

3/s platforms suck cock...dont give a shit what anyone says. dont care if you have thousands of videos proving me wrong.

they suck. end of thread.

btw...no one actually races when they post about intending to race. get used to it folks.

[Wesman]

3/s platforms suck cock...dont give a shit what anyone says. dont care if you have thousands of videos proving me wrong.

they suck. end of thread.

btw...no one actually races when they post about intending to race. get used to it folks.

This man speaks the truth...I've seen some real garbage cars, but the 3/s cars are some of the shittiest vehicles ever made. And that mostly refers to quality.

[gotSOMturbos]

Most 3000's are worn out hulks even when you perform standard maintenance on them, thats why you don't see 15 year old mitsu anything around, unless they are low mileage garage kept. My buddy had one that was pretty much representative of whats left of them. 16 in the 1/4 mile. Yea a fresh one back in the day may have been a low 14 cars but the only ones turning those times now have to be modded. On the flip side a old LT-1 car with standard maintenance will run withing a couple of tenths of new.

[2000T/A Guru]

I beat the shit out of my lt1 formula for 35,000miles drove cross country and raced everywhere, no engine problems. Sold it 2years after buying it for 1000 dollars less than i paid and it had 35k more miles on it. That car never did me worng, even when i sold it. 35,000miles in 1 year and 9 months and millons of good times.

[2MuchFun]

ehhh supposedly they get up and go--theres a guy at school who has one, he says it'll do 13.5 stock...and its modded

[Wesman]

ehhh supposedly they get up and go--theres a guy at school who has one, he says it'll do 13.5 stock...and its modded

Tell him he's full of it. Its a cold day in hell when one of those heavy pigs pulls a 13.5 bone stock, they are 14 second cars. And you can mod them all you want, but every time you mod one part another part will break :Pow:

[mrr23]

i saw one at the track when they first came out. 14.5 all night long.

[T_Kiwi]

nah mate, not mine anyway lol

[JwMonE99]

So wait stock for stock LT1 A4 vs. VR4, who would win?

[ATCharming]

i see there are a bunch of posts and multiple pages so i didnt read... i dont even know if the race happened or not, but if u race him, race from a roll. awd will launch really well, but has alot more drivetrain loss so u could take him at higher speeds

[secondgearscratch]

this thread is from a year ago.

[ATCharming]

this thread is from a year ago.

shit lol. i saw it in new posts so i posted

[2000T/A Guru]

nah mate, not mine anyway lol

So what did yours run stock, i have a good friend who i know can drive he got his bone stock z28 to run a 13.2 all day. After he sold it he got a evo9 and a 97VR4, put catless exhaust took it to the track, best time was a 14.1something and his average was 14.3. He sold the car the next week and built his evo with the money. Then sold that when it ran 11.09 and got a 02 Camaro SS. Hes damn good at stick and he couldnt get it into the 13s.

[T_Kiwi]

never ran mine stock:)

[2000T/A Guru]

Then you dont know, other than goin i have taken guys who run 13s that doesnt mean shit, the only way to know what you run is to run it, so you cant say mine didnt run 14s if you dont know.

[T_Kiwi]

i know mine would win now and thats all that matters to me:) you never mentioned your car was stock in the first post and the first post is the only one i read before giving my reply:)

[Wesman]

i know mine would win now and thats all that matters to me:) you never mentioned your car was stock in the first post and the first post is the only one i read before giving my reply:)

You can't win if you can't make it accross the finish line without something on your car breaking first :Pow:

[T_Kiwi]

You can't win if you can't make it accross the finish line without something on your car breaking first :Pow:

too true, cant say i have experienced that:)

[2000T/A Guru]

Just curious what setup do you have on your car, and what power are you making and what did you last run at the track?

[Getzen_Guy]

I know, this thread is so old, but something was just eating away at me....
everyone is aware that these cars weigh 4500 lbs+ AWd, and have twin turbos, BUT they only have a 3.0l V6 in them....
I mean they are not bad for what they are....

[2000T/A Guru]

This is a old thread and they dont weigh 4500 they weigh 3800-3900.

[Getzen_Guy]

i know it's old... it was just eating away at me the way the 3000 was getting trashed

[2000T/A Guru]

They suck unless built properly like most jap cars.

[Getzen_Guy]

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/fd66d732-91b1-48b2-b99c-980d00144cf1.htm

[4tun8]

13.1 isnt bad for bolt ons IMO.

[2000T/A Guru]

Those cars break whe nyou try and run anythign but stock turbos on those motors. Unless you build everythign up. They also weigh a ton. I have seen bolt on 3000GTs not be able to break out of the 14s. It used to be a clsoe race with my stock lt1 that ran a 14.2 when i woudl race bolt on 3000GT VR4s

[Chris Arnold]

VR4s are not fast. They were a good run for my stock 5.0 back in the day, but the 5.0 was faster.... Ran a 14.2@98mph in it nearly bone stock.

Chris

[180ls1]

+1 on it being a good race. I dont think an A4 LT1 can take it but the M6 LS1 surely can. The VR4's are 6speeds and AWD and weigh a ridiculous 3800lbs (give or take 50). Just make sure he's not modded! Full exhaust and a boost controller will add in the neighborhood of 50whp.

very true what is said above. if you have $300 to burn you could order intake tb bypass and the thing that goes inbetween the blades of the throttlebodie and a cutout and you would gain like 30 horsepower at least and i bet you might be able to beat him then. but the m6 ls1 will handle him. also what gears do you have in it?

[Wesman]

i know it's old... it was just eating away at me the way the 3000 was getting trashed

Ummm...why?? The 3000GT is a piece of crap, plain and simple.

[JHayesLS1]

My VR4 was fast as hell!! I broke 200mph in it!

But that was in Gran Turismo 2.

IRL they suck, and they are blown.

[Flyman1981]

I love reading threads like this...

I currently drive a 93 VR-4. Its a 5 spd and probably the best year to mod. With stock turbos i ran a 12.6 @ 108. I have modded just about everything on the car now. Just need to make a trip to the track once its tuned. With a shit tune last year i ran a 11.7 @ 124 at ~22psi. My turbos will push over 30 and hold ~28 to redline.

People say they break... When mine was BPU, i beat the shit out of it and treated it like a red headed step child and it never gave me issues. The biggest issue with these is the transfer case on the 5 spds. They were aluminum. If you keep stock size tires on them, they should be fine. You also have to remember there are alot of 16 year old kids side stepping the clutch at 7k. Shits gunna break then. There is now replacement transfer cases out now for the 5 spds. In 94 they switched to a 6 spd and cast iron transfer cases. Now, the big power guys on 3si are cracking the 6 spd bell housings to which they are welding plates to stiffen those up. Remember how many people break the rear ends on Fbody's...

People say they are heavy... Of course they are. They weigth ~3800. They come with nice power leather seats, active exhaust, active suspension, all wheel drive, all wheel stearing, auto climate control. They were made to be a GT car, not a full out sports car. Look at the GTO's for weight and it should make sense.

People say they run out of breath up top... Thats only with stock turbos. The stockers are small and are designed to spool up quickly.

FYI - I've had mine for 4 years and am looking to move on to something else (possible F body) so im not flaming anyone personally, just advising.

[2000T/A Guru]

I ran a 12.8 at 110 with just exhaust and a intake. LS1 cars with just a cam swap and drag radials with rear end gears have gone low 11s. A 11.7 is good, what internals do you have. If your telling me your gonna run 30psi on stock internals and you think it will last you are mistaken. Like i said they can be fast built but stock for stock they dont compare to a ls1. Good race for the lt1 though. All wheel drive is only better if the other guy can hook, otherwise you just loose alot more power from the crank to the wheels. The fastest setup for drag racing is rear wheel drive. You just need big enough tires to launch at 5grand and not spin.

[Getzen_Guy]

did anyone eve n look at that video i posted??

[Flyman1981]

James - No i didn't watch the video you posted... im at work and didn't want to kick on the sound in my cubical :)

2000T/A - stock forged crank, stock forged rods, 8.5CR JE pistons .020 over. fully balanced. Im not a fan of the LT1's. I do love the LSX's though. They are extremely potent with heads, cams, N20, intake and exahust.

[2000T/A Guru]

Acutally i know a guy running 15psi with stock compression ratio with heads/cam/ forged internals. Still same cubic inch made aroudn 700rwhp, with meth injection almsot 800. So they can be beast in any area. But yes with stock internals heads/ cam/ 150shot=mid 10 second car with drag radials. I also dont liek the lt1 compared to the ls1, but the lt1 is a still a good motor, hell i beat the shit out of my 96 formula for 2 years across 20 states, and traded it in to the dealership for only 500 dollars less than i paid for it and 60k miles more on it.

[Flyman1981]

Watched the vid... very nice. Wish it had a better zoom.

i'd have to see a dyno chart on that. I cant believe that at only 15psi. Meth inj doesn't add horsepower. its used to boost octane to fend off knock. Its like a chemical intercooler for our cars. So maybe he upped the boost. My friend can get about 18-21 psi on pump gas spraying water/meth.

I dont doubt you can beat the hell out of a LT1, it is a chevy small block. The LS1 seems to be a better platform for mods. My first car was a 95 blazer with a 4.3. pretty much a 350 minus 2 cylinders. I couldn't kill that motor, and trust me i tried. Took out the tranny though! :) Damn 4L60E!

[2000T/A Guru]

I had a 01 Jimmy with the 4.3liter. Went through a couple rear ends. But never the engine. I hooked up a leaf blower to the cold air intake and it could chirp the tires at 30mph if I threw it in first and floored it with the leaf blower going.

[Getzen_Guy]

in that vid both of those cars are very built

[N20LT4]

The 3000 GT and LT1 F-bodies were very close in their years. The 300ZX was quicker than both ;)

[Getzen_Guy]

yes

[Wesman]

I love reading threads like this...

I currently drive a 93 VR-4. Its a 5 spd and probably the best year to mod. With stock turbos i ran a 12.6 @ 108. I have modded just about everything on the car now. Just need to make a trip to the track once its tuned. With a shit tune last year i ran a 11.7 @ 124 at ~22psi. My turbos will push over 30 and hold ~28 to redline.

People say they break... When mine was BPU, i beat the shit out of it and treated it like a red headed step child and it never gave me issues. The biggest issue with these is the transfer case on the 5 spds. They were aluminum. If you keep stock size tires on them, they should be fine. You also have to remember there are alot of 16 year old kids side stepping the clutch at 7k. Shits gunna break then. There is now replacement transfer cases out now for the 5 spds. In 94 they switched to a 6 spd and cast iron transfer cases. Now, the big power guys on 3si are cracking the 6 spd bell housings to which they are welding plates to stiffen those up. Remember how many people break the rear ends on Fbody's...

People say they are heavy... Of course they are. They weigth ~3800. They come with nice power leather seats, active exhaust, active suspension, all wheel drive, all wheel stearing, auto climate control. They were made to be a GT car, not a full out sports car. Look at the GTO's for weight and it should make sense.

People say they run out of breath up top... Thats only with stock turbos. The stockers are small and are designed to spool up quickly.

FYI - I've had mine for 4 years and am looking to move on to something else (possible F body) so im not flaming anyone personally, just advising.

I love it when owners of whatever piece of junk car is getting ripped on somehow sprout up out of nowhere to defend the precious honor of their car, along with provide examples of how perfect their car is and how they have none of the problems that EVERY OTHER DAMN CAR is known to be plagued with. Very interesting, comical actually.

[Getzen_Guy]

watch this guys...

Sport gold metallic is the fucking gayest color for these f-bodies

[4tun8]

I love it when owners of whatever piece of junk car is getting ripped on somehow sprout up out of nowhere to defend the precious honor of their car, along with provide examples of how perfect their car is and how they have none of the problems that EVERY OTHER DAMN CAR is known to be plagued with. Very interesting, comical actually.

You mean like the same EXACT thing you did on SVTperformance before you got banned?

[2000T/A Guru]

Lol, if you really like cars, you can see the good and bad in all types. Not one car is superior to all others in ever aspect of racing. Thats what makes the car world fun, variety. Sure some people favor these and some people those, but when i all comes down to it the only reason we fight or have and fun racing is because we are all competitors. We all want to win, sometimes people have a hard time admiting when they are outclassed. We all want the same thing speed.:hifinger: Now stop talking shit you both slow.

[JwMonE99]

Yea but it still seems that the muscle cars are on the better half

[Wesman]

You mean like the same EXACT thing you did on SVTperformance before you got banned?

Maybe if I was a member of SVT Performance...you are always so quick to call me out, get a life.

[4tun8]

Oh really??? So maybe Domestic Demon on SVTperformance is just a coinkydinky....


Just funny though, considering you both have names that start with the letter W, you both have 98 WS6's, you're both from NJ, and you both work for Advance Auto........hmmmm, Yup, I need a life.


http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/member.php?u=45350



BTW reading some of your old posts on there was pretty fun.

[JwMonE99]

Just funny though, considering you both have names that start with the letter W, you both have 98 WS6's, you're both from NJ, and you both work for Advance Auto........hmmmm, Yup, I need a life.





Thats not that uncommon

[Flyman1981]

double post

[mrr23]

4tun8 and wesman - keep the bickering between you two out of this thread.

[Flyman1981]

Funny huh? Why dont you go back and re-read my whole post and all of them... I got on this site because i was considering getting one... I also said that i wasn't attacking anyone, i just wanted to put my $.02 in becuase i have one and am very familiar with it... I know our cars have drivetrain problems... I also went on to say i replaced my transfer case (problem area) with a better one! I then backed it up with personal experience. My friend with same car as me has broke 5 Xfer cases. I told you all that i spun a bearing (another problem my platform is pleagued with) I then said that didn't beleive that person who said there car dynod around 700 @15psi. So i'm failing to see where you come from???

F-Body's are known for have rattles on the interior and leaky T-Tops.... Would that stop me from buying one, NO! Im here to do research adn just BS with people, so dont get your panties in a bunch.

I also agree there is no perfect car to get... You can be a proud owner, but you should also respect other platforms. They all have there strengths and weakness. Thinking your car doesn't, means you are nieve. Im not about to benchrace with you... let your car do the talking!

[ApexVIII]

i raced on at the track, not sure of the mods. probably was very close to stock. he only cut like a 2.1 sixty, then i walked on him by lengths lol

[2000T/A Guru]

Well these are v8s and i have see npeople with 15psi on twin turbo lsx cars put down 900rwhp so 15psi on a single turbo setup making 700rwhp aint unheard of.

[Wesman]

Well these are v8s and i have see npeople with 15psi on twin turbo lsx cars put down 900rwhp so 15psi on a single turbo setup making 700rwhp aint unheard of.

Except that the LSX has a lot more displacement and is much more efficient as moving air through then engine. 700WHP from a small 6 cylinder with 15PSI is a ridiculous claim.

[2000T/A Guru]

Correct, unless you have an isane turbo with an isane efficiency

[D3VIL]

Well these are v8s and i have see npeople with 15psi on twin turbo lsx cars put down 900rwhp so 15psi on a single turbo setup making 700rwhp aint unheard of.

I dont understand some people and their logics. What is the point of having a 700hp car? do they make money off of it? most likely not! and they have put probably thousands of dollars into their cars. i understand 400hp like 100+ from the stock, which you can get to buy bolt ons but 700 is just a ridicilous(sp) number!

im sure its fun to drive but as many people here will say, its also very fun driving a 300-400hp car.

NOT a diss or anything, but I JUST DONT GET IT!

[2000T/A Guru]

With 700rwhp its still a streetable car, and running 9s in the quartermile is fun. I have a 500+rwhp supra that i love to go fast in.

[Wesman]

I dont understand some people and their logics. What is the point of having a 700hp car? do they make money off of it? most likely not! and they have put probably thousands of dollars into their cars. i understand 400hp like 100+ from the stock, which you can get to buy bolt ons but 700 is just a ridicilous(sp) number!

im sure its fun to drive but as many people here will say, its also very fun driving a 300-400hp car.

NOT a diss or anything, but I JUST DONT GET IT!

As don't I. A 700HP car is pretty much useless on the street. Just like all the Supra owners who claim to be making 700+HP yet still run 12's, what a joke. I don't see 700WHP being streetable at all unless its a very large motor that has a linear powerband. These high horsepower small engined turbo cars don't go anywhere until around 4000RPM, and then the turbo spools up and they break the tires loose all of a sudden and cn't regain traction. Same deal everytime you shift. Thats useless power on the street.

[2000T/A Guru]

I made power from 3700rpms-the 6800rpm redline, and with 517rwhp ran low 11s, poeple who setup there supras to make 1000rwhp for 1000rpms are dumb and dyno queens, i have seen 670rwhp supras run 9.8s when built right.

[JwMonE99]

There is a guy down here with an easily 800-900hp camaro that is street legal and streetable but he hardly ever drives it on the street lol. But still thats bad ass to have an 800+HP "street car"

[mrr23]

There is a guy down here with an easily 800-900hp camaro that is street legal and streetable but he hardly ever drives it on the street lol. But still thats bad ass to have an 800+HP "street car"

yes it is, yes it is. and i know what it feels like to have one :)

[Flyman1981]

Its the typical male cock swinging contest... :)

Once you get used to 500 HP you want more. i never thought i'd want more than 300-400, but play with it for a while and you want more. It might also be an addiction i have to modding!

[Wesman]

Its the typical male cock swinging contest... :)

Once you get used to 500 HP you want more. i never thought i'd want more than 300-400, but play with it for a while and you want more. It might also be an addiction i have to modding!

It goes in a circle though. I've seen tons of people who modded their cars to the max, and then decided one day that they were sick of it and go back to completely stock or buy a different car. I try not to do mods that sacrifice durability of efficiency, so that the car is still very driveable. I would never want to have a fast car thats a trailer queen :cough SUPRA owners cough: