Power Buffer

[Sassy Cassie]

Can anyone recommend a good power buffer? :dunno:

[01 Red WS6]

Get a Porter Cable. I have the PC 7336

[kenz28]

Get the Dewalt 849. Its well worth the money.

[99Z28 1LE]

Get the Dewalt 849. Its well worth the money.

WARNING!! If you have never used a machine polisher before, you DO NOT want to start with a rotary like the DW849 or Makita 9227C. You want a random-orbital, or "dual-action" polisher like the PC7336 mentioned. The DA buffer won't induce swirls like a rotary, nor does it come with the risk of burning through the paint.

Until you get the hang of using a DA buffer, I'd steer clear of the steeper learning curve a rotary has. :beer:

[svt_eater]

I agree with the previos post. Random orbital is much safer for starter/amateurs like myself and you. I'd leave the standard ones to a professional.

What happens is the clear coat gets soft and a professional(my brother was trained with these) can get rid of swirls in paint by actually moving the clearcoat around with one of these non-random orbitals. If you don't do it right, you will be left with unprotected paint or no paint at all. Be VERY CAREFUL!!!

[99Z28 1LE]

get rid of swirls in paint by actually moving the clearcoat around with one of these non-random orbitals

:nono: You aren't moving the clearcoat around when using a rotary. A polisher (ANY polisher) is actually abrading away a small quantity of the paint on a vehicle's surface. There isn't an endless supply of clear coat, and there are some defects too deep to remove safely.

The main difference between a rotary and a DA machine is that the DA machine can't create as much heat or abrasive force, which means it cannot remove as much paint during each pass. It also cannot create swirls (which in effect are "tool marks" from a rotary, or some other abrasive).

Oh, and do remember that it's always important to wax or seal your paint after polishing.... the clearcoat alone isn't enough -- it needs protection, too.

[svt_eater]

:nono: You aren't moving the clearcoat around when using a rotary. A polisher (ANY polisher) is actually abrading away a small quantity of the paint on a vehicle's surface. There isn't an endless supply of clear coat, and there are some defects too deep to remove safely.

The main difference between a rotary and a DA machine is that the DA machine can't create as much heat or abrasive force, which means it cannot remove as much paint during each pass. It also cannot create swirls (which in effect are "tool marks" from a rotary, or some other abrasive).

Oh, and do remember that it's always important to wax or seal your paint after polishing.... the clearcoat alone isn't enough -- it needs protection, too.

Okay, don't listen to me. I don't know enough to dispute it, but it was my understanding that the clear coat would get soft and you could move it around, not like to the other side of the car, but sort of in place, and if you did it too much, it would strip away from the paint completely. In extreme cases, the paint could also be removed. But, yes, definitely wax or polish afterwards.

[99Z28 1LE]

Okay, don't listen to me. I don't know enough to dispute it, but it was my understanding that the clear coat would get soft and you could move it around, not like to the other side of the car, but sort of in place, and if you did it too much, it would strip away from the paint completely. In extreme cases, the paint could also be removed. But, yes, definitely wax or polish afterwards.

:lol: :thumbdn: Show me documented, reliable proof of this and I'll believe you. Until then, I'll just sit and wait for hell to finish freezing over....:Popcorn:

[Sassy Cassie]

I just need something to help me get rid of some water marks. :shrug:

[99Z28 1LE]

I just need something to help me get rid of some water marks. :shrug:

You don't even need a buffer for that. Go to auto zone, pick up a Mother's California gold Claybar Kit, and have at it. Unless the paint is etched, that should handle it fine.

If it turns out to be etching, grab a light cleaner polish like Meguiar's Clear Coat Body Scrub or something of that sort. If you're a Zainoholic, order a bottle of ZPC Fusion.

[svt_eater]

I just need something to help me get rid of some water marks. :shrug:

Sorry, guess I didn't realize the simplicity of your request. It seems that many posts that include a point of view end up in a high school style pi$$ing contest. Ah well, weed through the crap, and hopefully you get something out of it. :dunno:

I suggest you save your money and go with what 1LE has suggested. Water marks aren't too serious to deal with. Just follow the instructions on a decent product like Mothers or Zaino. If you decide on Zaino, check out their website and do some reading. You may like the idea of picking up a few of their products. That's all I have used on my car from day 1.

[01 Red WS6]

If you want something simple then Zaino isn't what you're looking for. It is finicky when it comes to application that’s why I like Tropi-care. Maguires is another great brand that a lot of people like including myself

[99Z28 1LE]

If you want something simple then Zaino isn't what you're looking for. It is finicky when it comes to application that’s why I like Tropi-care. Maguires is another great brand that a lot of people like including myself

We aren't talking about the polish/sealant, we're specifically referring to the abrasive polishes and clay bars here. For that, Meguiar's isn't nearly as good as Mothers or Zaino in my experience.

Oh, and did I happen to mention that I'm a detailer by trade? I'm not here trying to blow smoke up anyone's ass. :nono:

[INMY01TA]

We aren't talking about the polish/sealant, we're specifically referring to the abrasive polishes and clay bars here. For that, Meguiar's isn't nearly as good as Mothers or Zaino in my experience.

Oh, and did I happen to mention that I'm a detailer by trade? I'm not here trying to blow smoke up anyone's ass. :nono:
Some detailers suck!

[99Z28 1LE]

Some detailers suck!

And some people are ignorant. :thumbdn:

[INMY01TA]

:lol: :thumbdn: Show me documented, reliable proof of this and I'll believe you. Until then, I'll just sit and wait for hell to finish freezing over....:Popcorn::thumbdn: What's your prob with SVT Eater? His info may or may not be correct but he's basically saying "be carefull with the rotary polisher" Good advice.

[Lil Dog]

Get a Porter Cable... Arf! They (and others) are used by a lot of folks world wide with good results. The learning curve is not that great... (one or two practice panels and you should be good to go), my brother practiced on his tractor... However, (that's a big but), 'google' polishing and read a few how to's so you don't make beginner mistakes... I prefer the PC, low price, many accessories available, yadda, yadda, yadda...

(If you folks want to argue please start your own thread.)

Lil Dog in a big pound

[99Z28 1LE]

:thumbdn: What's your prob with SVT Eater? His info may or may not be correct but he's basically saying "be carefull with the rotary polisher" Good advice.

And why are you bumping an old thread just for the sake of flaming? Go back to your cartoons, kid.

I love how people on the internet are so ignorant and have to turn everything into a "personal" thing. Nobody seems to think it's possible to take issue with information, without taking issue with the person giving the information. That right there is absolute immaturity. Grow up.

[INMY01TA]

And why are you bumping an old thread just for the sake of flaming? Go back to your cartoons, kid.

I love how people on the internet are so ignorant and have to turn everything into a "personal" thing. Nobody seems to think it's possible to take issue with information, without taking issue with the person giving the information. That right there is absolute immaturity. Grow up.Old thread from last nite. Kettle, you're black.

[99Z28 1LE]

Old thread from last nite.

:thinkin: :lastweek: Or not.

Kettle, you're black.

:blowme:

[INMY01TA]

:thinkin: :lastweek: Or not.



:blowme:Why dont you leave troll and go post on Myspace with the rest of the 15-20 year old know it alls. Continue brushing your teeth with my penis now! http://www.easternfbody.com/forum/images/smilies/gr_judge.gif

:jerkit:

[01 Red WS6]

Here is a little something to show you a few things when you use a PC and what some of the steps and polish break downs should look like while you polish.

http://paintcare-n-detailing.com/

[99Z28 1LE]

Why dont you leave troll and go post on Myspace with the rest of the 15-20 year old know it alls.

Jealous, are we?? And how am I the troll? Now you're just fighting to keep your credibility since I blew you out of the water. Does the truth hurt?? Pop a Tylenol. Sorry that I happen to know something, dumbass.

Continue brushing your teeth with my penis now! http://www.easternfbody.com/forum/images/smilies/gr_judge.gif

:jerkit:

Oh yeah, real mature. I assume you're supposed to be some kind of fully grown adult? Why not try acting like one?

[svt_eater]

Jealous, are we?? And how am I the troll? Now you're just fighting to keep your credibility since I blew you out of the water. Does the truth hurt?? Pop a Tylenol. Sorry that I happen to know something, dumbass.



Oh yeah, real mature. I assume you're supposed to be some kind of fully grown adult? Why not try acting like one?

Now boys, there's enough of me to go around!:tired:

I think it's time to let this thread rest. Hopefully, the waterspots are gone.

By the way, a carwash and hand dry is good for removing waterspots as well.

[INMY01TA]

Jealous, are we?? Sorry that I happen to know something, dumbass.

Jealous of what???? Laughible. After reading thru some of your posts and seeing how you have a HHP and are looking for new "struts" for your car It's plain to see who the dumbass is.

[4get gto]

Jealous of what???? Laughible. After reading thru some of your posts and seeing how you have a HHP and are looking for new "struts" for your car It's plain to see who the dumbass is.


:beer:

:Popcorn:

[99SS'Vert]

What happens is the clear coat gets soft and a professional(my brother was trained with these) can get rid of swirls in paint by actually moving the clearcoat around with one of these non-random orbitals. If you don't do it right, you will be left with unprotected paint or no paint at all. Be VERY CAREFUL!!!



Sooo, I wonder, if my paint is really bad...... could I take good clearcoat from one car with perfect paint and move it onto my car with a rotary buffer. Or does it not move that much? :lol:

















Sorry.... I couldn't resist. :wall:

[INMY01TA]

Hmm, if a rotary polisher, abrasive polish, and a cutting pad removes scratches and swirls by cutting or removing some clear coat then isn't it technically "moved" off the car? http://www.racersden.net/forum/images/smilies/horse.gif

[99SS'Vert]

Congratulations!!!! Everyone is now dumber for having read your replies.

[svt_eater]

Sooo, I wonder, if my paint is really bad...... could I take good clearcoat from one car with perfect paint and move it onto my car with a rotary buffer. Or does it not move that much? :lol:

















Sorry.... I couldn't resist. :wall:

That's genious! I never even thought of that. That's why you guys make the big bucks. This is such a tired thread. Sorry I tried!

[INMY01TA]

That's genious! I never even thought of that. That's why you guys make the big bucks. This is such a tired thread. Sorry I tried!Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Unsubscribing now.

[99SS'Vert]

If you can't handle some light hearted rib poking from time to time, you probably shouldn't be posting on a public forum.