Looking into getting an LT1

[z9_87]

I'm looking at getting a 93-97 LT1, preferably the later years but if a car is well taken car of, the year doens't matter much to me as far as cosmetics go.
Thats where my question comes in. What breaks on lt1's? What years should I watch out for because gm did something stupid that year etc. I want to know a lot about the car before I go to buy it because if I don't later on I'll want a different one. I do like the TA's more than the z28's and I wont have an auto.

Thanks for the help,

Zach

[lt4ever]

If you get an LT1, you'll soon learn to hate your optispark, as we all do. This is your distributor/ cap & rotor. Very prone to failure! Nothing you can do, but become an expert on changing it out and recognizing when its about to go.

One of the leading culprits in the optispark failure is a leaking water pump impeller seal. Water pump drips coolant down onto the optispark and pretty soon, corrosion sets in.

Other than that, the engine is a beast, tranny is stout and rest of the drive train is adequate. All of this is assuming the car is bone stock. Once you get into modifying it, you'll replace it all. :lol:

[z9_87]

Well as long as it doesn't quit on you as your driving down the road like it did in my 302 last summer.

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

I'd say go for the 95. It has the OBD-I and you don't have to worry about the cats when you decide to drop them. 96 up got the OBD-II. The 93's have the bad MAF's that really suck.

[z9_87]

By bad MAF do you mean the sensor is (generally) bad or the housing is to small? It seems both of those can be fixed rather easily.

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

wrong type. It's the speed density which don't make as good power. It can be fixed but why fix it if you can get one with out it. I remember something about the trany's too that weren't as strong, but I don't remember the specifics. IMO it is always better to not get the first year of production for a new car or generation. I like to give them a year or 2 to the bugs worked out. I don't like the 93 wheels either. If you want to mod it then I guess it doesn't really matter.

[z9_87]

Oh ok, so there is no mass air flow sensor. I know all about speed density, switched my 302 over from a v6 maf harness and soldered in the maf part into the SD v8 harness.

SD is also bad because it doesn't accept mods to the engine well. Chaning like a cam or something and not telling the computer that the map pressure is changing with the cam is going to make it think it's always under a load. However speed density is argued to run a little better if it's tuned to the car's mods.

[sret43]

Just talked to MSD Ignition this afternoon and they said that their new LT1 distributor will be coming out in about a month. Approximate price through Jegs is $499.95. As far as the leaky water pump, I'll be changing over to an electric powered pump by Mezier. This will at least rid the back side of the pump of a leak.

[oneBADDz]

wrong type. It's the speed density which don't make as good power. It can be fixed but why fix it if you can get one with out it. I remember something about the trany's too that weren't as strong, but I don't remember the specifics. IMO it is always better to not get the first year of production for a new car or generation. I like to give them a year or 2 to the bugs worked out. I don't like the 93 wheels either. If you want to mod it then I guess it doesn't really matter.
93 had the 700r4, 94 up graduated to 4l60e, that may be what you are thinkin of

[z9_87]

Just talked to MSD Ignition this afternoon and they said that their new LT1 distributor will be coming out in about a month. Approximate price through Jegs is $499.95. As far as the leaky water pump, I'll be changing over to an electric powered pump by Mezier. This will at least rid the back side of the pump of a leak.
Wow, $500 for a distributor. That's a little steep. Seems to me like it'd be worth it to just put an aftermarket water pump in right away and save some money. Maybe throw in a new cam since I'm so close anyways :)

[kingls1]

save your self some time and trouble and get an LS1.

[z9_87]

how so?

[5.0THIS]

save your self some time and trouble and get an LS1.


Save yourself from getting banned and get the fuck out of the LT1 section.


kthxbye :thumbup:

[Raoul-Duke]

93 had the 700r4, 94 up graduated to 4l60e, that may be what you are thinkin of
ACTUALLY THE 93'S HAD THE 4L60... NOT THE 4L60E WHICH IS THE ELECTRONIC ONE WHICH CAME IN 94

[Raoul-Duke]

wrong type. It's the speed density which don't make as good power. It can be fixed but why fix it if you can get one with out it. I remember something about the trany's too that weren't as strong, but I don't remember the specifics. IMO it is always better to not get the first year of production for a new car or generation. I like to give them a year or 2 to the bugs worked out. I don't like the 93 wheels either. If you want to mod it then I guess it doesn't really matter.
ALSO THE REAREND IN THE 93 Z M6'S CAME WITH 3.23'S GEARS INSTEAD OF 3.42'S WHICH WAS ALSO INTRODUCED IN 94

[oneBADDz]

ALSO THE REAREND IN THE 93 Z M6'S CAME WITH 3.23'S GEARS INSTEAD OF 3.42'S WHICH WAS ALSO INTRODUCED IN 94
nope they were 3.42s, you are right about the 4l60 not the 700r4 though, my mistake

[lt4ever]

Wow, $500 for a distributor. That's a little steep. Seems to me like it'd be worth it to just put an aftermarket water pump in right away and save some money. Maybe throw in a new cam since I'm so close anyways :)

I've heard the MSD optispark is made by the same manufacturer as the factory opticrap... just painted orange/ black just for MSD. Save your self the $$$ and just get a unit from your local auto parts store.

[kingls1]

Save yourself from getting banned and get the fuck out of the LT1 section.


kthxbye :thumbup:Power trippin? I just speak the truth Brotha.

[5.0THIS]

Power trippin? I just speak the truth Brotha.

Nope, not power tripping... Nothing LT1 owners havent heard a million times from LS1 owners....

So, like I said, you can stop posting this kind of crap in here, or I will give you a vacation.

[ss~zoso~ss]

lt1 = :gay:

[oneBADDz]

Anyone being a bitch about LT1s has obviously never owned one, or at least one of value. It has every bit of the potential an LS1 does. My old 97 M6 LT1 is still running strong on it's 100% stock bottom end at 182,000. The only real complaint you guys can give about the LT1 is the optispark, which isn't as bad to change as you guys say it is, that also probably comes from a lack of experience with LT1s.

I miss my LT1 :hide: I miss not having factory piston slap :dunno: I'm not talkin trash though, I love my LS1 too

[lt4ever]

I take serious offense to you punk-ass LS1 a-holes, posting flame in the LT1 section. I have a '97 that runs in the low 12's to high 11's. If you want a balls-to-the-wind fast LT1 car... it's entirely possible. I've handed a lot of
LS1's their ass with my car. And if any of your idiots take that as a challenge... bring it!!! So to the original poster of this thread... don't listen to any of these idiots. Get want you want and have fun! What's more... LT1 cars are a lot cheaper these days and can be built to surpass just about any LS1.

[lt1dragon]

stock for stock the ls1 will beat the lt1 hands down. My lt1 would always loss my my buddys ls1. So i upgraded to ls1 you gotta love the top end pull. I have owned both cars and i would rather built the ls1

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

I loved my 95 LT1 m6 that I had. I beat a 2000 WS6 auto with it from a roll and from a dig. Both were stock except for intake and exhaust. I did fry the plug wires, Opti-spark and fuel pump. It needed a new shocks and a clutch, but what do you expect for 85k miles on stock parts! Not a single serious problem with my hard driving I gave it. I really liked not having the piston slap!

[5.0THIS]

lt1 = :gay:

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[kingls1]

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Your a FAG ron:lmao:
People have the right too express themself's. This is the U.S.A :Patriot:

[5.0THIS]

Your a FAG ron:lmao:
People have the right too express themself's. This is the U.S.A :Patriot:


Bye! :hi:

[robb4964]

Nope, not power tripping... Nothing LT1 owners havent heard a million times from LS1 owners....

So, like I said, you can stop posting this kind of crap in here, or I will give you a vacation.


If we own an LT1 can we comment?



I own both.Im on my 3rd LT1 and second LS1. If you plan on modding, Get an LS1.
If you going to get an Lt1, get a 97. They have less opti problems and tend to run the best. 97's have a redone opti.

Both cars are reliable. My 95 LT1 had 200K on it and ran like a champ.Never had to remove a valve cover.

[robb4964]

Anyone being a bitch about LT1s has obviously never owned one, or at least one of value. It has every bit of the potential an LS1 does. My old 97 M6 LT1 is still running strong on it's 100% stock bottom end at 182,000. The only real complaint you guys can give about the LT1 is the optispark, which isn't as bad to change as you guys say it is, that also probably comes from a lack of experience with LT1s.

I miss my LT1 :hide: I miss not having factory piston slap :dunno: I'm not talkin trash though, I love my LS1 too


It does not have equal potential. I have a cam only LS1 trapping 120 MPH na.

My LS1 trapped 109 almost stock with only a catback,lid,Centerforce.
My past cammed LT1 trapped 108 with cam,tune and headers.

LT1's are still a great car to mod and lots of fun but LS1's can have 530HP with just heads and cam and stock cubes.


Your not going to find a better sports car fofr the money as an LT1. I am currently getting ready to cam my 97 TA and its still pretty enough to where everyone comments on it.

Drive both and decide for yourself.You wont regret either.

[robb4964]

nope they were 3.42s, you are right about the 4l60 not the 700r4 though, my mistake

no,1993 m6 =3:23's.

[oneBADDz]

It does not have equal potential. I have a cam only LS1 trapping 120 MPH na.

My LS1 trapped 109 almost stock with only a catback,lid,Centerforce.
My past cammed LT1 trapped 108 with cam,tune and headers.

LT1's are still a great car to mod and lots of fun but LS1's can have 530HP with just heads and cam and stock cubes.


Your not going to find a better sports car fofr the money as an LT1. I am currently getting ready to cam my 97 TA and its still pretty enough to where everyone comments on it.

Drive both and decide for yourself.You wont regret either.
To say it doesn't have the potential of an LS1 is a sure sign of incompetence. You are saying that an LT1 can never be as fast as an LS1. An LS1 might start out with a better base and react to basic mods better due to that, but with heads/intake on and LT1 you equal the playing field. My 97 M6 Z with a cam would blow an LS1 out of the water and with decked/ported/polished LT4 heads, intake, and the cam it was running high 11s for under 3 grand. To say they don't have equal potentential is as uneducated as saying all stangs suck and are slow. Anything can be built, anything.

The LS1 starts out with a better base, yes. That makes it cheaper to mod and easier to get better times out of. You pay the premium of starting out with a better base when you buy the car though.

I have a friend in my hometown with a 93 M6, 3.42s from the factory. Maybe some came with 3.23s I don't know all of the options that year, but I do know he had 3.42s, we even had em out of there when he upgraded.

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

Basically to sum up this post, if you have a smaller budget get the LT1 and if you have a bit bigger budget get the LS1. Both cars rock! :rockon:

[robb4964]

To say it doesn't have the potential of an LS1 is a sure sign of incompetence. You are saying that an LT1 can never be as fast as an LS1. An LS1 might start out with a better base and react to basic mods better due to that, but with heads/intake on and LT1 you equal the playing field. My 97 M6 Z with a cam would blow an LS1 out of the water and with decked/ported/polished LT4 heads, intake, and the cam it was running high 11s for under 3 grand. To say they don't have equal potentential is as uneducated as saying all stangs suck and are slow. Anything can be built, anything.

The LS1 starts out with a better base, yes. That makes it cheaper to mod and easier to get better times out of. You pay the premium of starting out with a better base when you buy the car though.

I have a friend in my hometown with a 93 M6, 3.42s from the factory. Maybe some came with 3.23s I don't know all of the options that year, but I do know he had 3.42s, we even had em out of there when he upgraded.
Take it how you will. The LS1 is a better platform,period.
And know, I never said an LT1 couldnt be as fast. Are you to sensitive or what? A heads and cam LT1 would get demolished bye my cam only LS1. I have a friend with a 383 stroker who cant hang with me.

LS1 has a superior design=better potential. Not knocking LT1's. I own one and have owned MANY so I know what LT1's can do. Im getting ready to cam mine so I know they are worth modding. Im just stating the truth. And btw,this is an educated statement as I have owned and modded both cars and my Stock LS1 was faster then my header,geared.CAI,tuned LT1.

[lt4ever]

I have a friend with a 383 stroker who cant hang with me.

Then your friend can't drive for shit...

[kenz28]

I am with Hot Black Trans am. If you have bigger pockets go for the ls1. If you have a budget get the lt1. I have into my 1994 lt1 race car as much as some people pay for a 1998 stock ls1. It runs 11 second passes and with some nitrous would easily be in the low 10s.

Your car must be on crack to beat a head/cam lt1 with with a ls1 cam only car.

I have yet to find someone in this town with a cammed only ls1 that can beat me.

[lt4ever]

but LS1's can have 530HP with just heads and cam and stock cubes.

Sure if you get all out stage 3 racing heads and a ridiculously huge cam with so much lope that it's not drivable on the street. But to achieve 530hp with JUST a heads and cam wouldn't make it streetable/ nor possible. Try adding a few more items to that list to reach 530hp.. like headers, underdrive pulley, tuned PCM, exhaust system, bigger TB, larger injectors, & gears. Then you might.... might... reach 530hp. Sorry gotta call BS where I see BS! :nono: more like 425 with all that combo.

Same basic mods as listed above would get an LTI probably in the 325hp range.

[lt4ever]

It runs 11 second passes and with some nitrous would easily be in the low 10s.

Your LT1 sounds sweet, whatchya got done to it? I'm currently in the low 12's and with some more practice and better tires, could probably flirt with high 11's.

[kenz28]

My 1994 Camaro Z28...

I own a black manual 6 speed 1994 Z28 camaro with grey interior, fully loaded including air conditioning. It currently has 150,000 miles on the odometer. It was purchased in August 2004. This car originated from Ohio. From what carfax shows this car has only been registered here in Alaska for 3 years. So the body is in pretty good condition.
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Engine Modifications.


2 bolt block bored .030 over.
Forged SRP Pistons
Forged Sir "I" Beam Connecting Rods.
Stock Crank ground .010
GM847 Camshaft
Cloyes Double Roller Timing Chain
95' optispark conversion
Melling 155 oil pump
Melling IS-55E Oil Pump Drive
GM White Spring
GM 3/4" Pickup Tube
Electric Water Pump
160 Degree Thermostat
52mm BBK Throttle Body
Powder Coated Intake
Crome Valve Covers
Crome Oil Pan
Hooker Longtubes
Hooker Y Pipe
Single 3" Exhaust to a 3" inlet/outlet Hooker Muffler
LT4 Knock Module
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Head Modifications.

LE2 Heads 270/190
Comp 977 Springs
2.0 Ferrea Intake 1.56 Ferrea Exhaust Valves
Ti Retainers
10 degree locks
Hi-Tech Pushrods 5/16
Comp R Lifters
Comp Pro Magnum 7/16 rockers
Hi-Tech 7/16 studs
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Car Modifications and Tuning Software.

Poly Urethane Engine Mounts
Transmission Mounts
Spec Stage 4 Clutch with Kevlar Disc
Blue LED Gauges
Chrome Oil Caps
Lokar Aluminum Oil Dipstick and Tube
Taylor Spark Plug Wires
Champion Plugs
Lakewood Drive Shaft Safety Loop
Tuner Cat with Pentium III 800mhz laptop
Tuned by Madz28
Interior sheet metal sprayed with 3M Undercoating

Check out my site. It needs to be updated... www.akgaming.com/~kendall

[robb4964]

Sure if you get all out stage 3 racing heads and a ridiculously huge cam with so much lope that it's not drivable on the street. But to achieve 530hp with JUST a heads and cam wouldn't make it streetable/ nor possible. Try adding a few more items to that list to reach 530hp.. like headers, underdrive pulley, tuned PCM, exhaust system, bigger TB, larger injectors, & gears. Then you might.... might... reach 530hp. Sorry gotta call BS where I see BS! :nono: more like 425 with all that combo.

Same basic mods as listed above would get an LTI probably in the 325hp range.


1st: You must know NOTHING about LS1's. AFR has a head/cam package that produces 520 HP thrue flowmaster mufflers and has a Medium cam the idles way better then the LT1 hot cam. As a matter of fact its the same cam I have in My LS1. A cam only LS1 that produces 460 to the wheels may have some drivability issue. Im talking about a mild cam and heads making 530 HP.


http://www.airflowresearch.com/dyno/ls1_030804.htm

[robb4964]

Your LT1 sounds sweet, whatchya got done to it? I'm currently in the low 12's and with some more practice and better tires, could probably flirt with high 11's.


I love my LT1. It is almost stock. It ran a 13.7@102 with the stock 2:73's. It has a CAi,airfoil, Hp3. I have a stall im going to install this weekend. Its my daily driver.

[robb4964]

I am with Hot Black Trans am. If you have bigger pockets go for the ls1. If you have a budget get the lt1. I have into my 1994 lt1 race car as much as some people pay for a 1998 stock ls1. It runs 11 second passes and with some nitrous would easily be in the low 10s.

Your car must be on crack to beat a head/cam lt1 with with a ls1 cam only car.

I have yet to find someone in this town with a cammed only ls1 that can beat me.
Dude, OMG , I cant believe the ignorance of this so called " LS1 " site. I have a friend right here in northern kentucky who has nothing but some suspension work,stall and runs 12.2 all day. He has a small stall,gears,mids,tune and traps 111 in his 2000. stock heads and cam. I have seen him wax more then 30 Cammed LS1 over a 2 year period. I have friends with cam only LS1's that I personally know running low 11's without a problem.
And I have a friend who has a cammed LT1 with a 125 shot that runs a 11.8@117 with 1.6 60's.
I love LT1's..I own one and have owned many..Why would I lie? I have nothing to gain except arguments with ignorant people.Its not like the LS1 just came and im the 1st person to see these results,thousands of people have had the same outcome from the LS1 long before I ever took posession of one.
I swear some people just cant handle the truth.
You have never been beat in your head/cam LT1 bye a cam only LS1? That means nothing. For all I know you have never raced one. What are your quarter times?

[robb4964]

Then your friend can't drive for shit...


Ok,He is a professional drag racer,He has 5 cars and all of the are 12 second cars or better but yeah, Ok , he cant drive.

Once again you dont know what you are talking about.

[robb4964]

I take serious offense to you punk-ass LS1 a-holes, posting flame in the LT1 section. I have a '97 that runs in the low 12's to high 11's. If you want a balls-to-the-wind fast LT1 car... it's entirely possible. I've handed a lot of
LS1's their ass with my car. And if any of your idiots take that as a challenge... bring it!!! So to the original poster of this thread... don't listen to any of these idiots. Get want you want and have fun! What's more... LT1 cars are a lot cheaper these days and can be built to surpass just about any LS1.
Nobody was flaming. Your ability to take in information is questionable.
Noone has said anything offensive.
As far as BRING IT..where are you from? Drive that thing on down to ohio and Ill race ya! In my LT1 or LS1,you can pick.

[5.0THIS]

It does not have equal potential. I have a cam only LS1 trapping 120 MPH na.

I think normally aspirated, you're absolutely right for the most part, especially when it comes to stock headed cars. The LS1's advantage lies in it's 15 degree cylinder head design, and incredible head flow. However... Many aftermarket cylinder heads for LT1 cars (such as AFR heads) have shown head flow numbers well over 300 cfm. I have seen over 330cfm from a 23 degree LT4 head. With flow numbers like that, the LS1's advantage is all but gone, as the power truely is in the heads and induction. Once you start talking aftermarket intake setups on LTx motors, there is damn near equal potential. And when you put forced induction into the equation, it's anybody's ballgame.

[kenz28]

I have yet to run my car at the track. However, my friend has a 95 TA with a vortech supercharger running at 6psi with the lt4 conversion and I run with him all day long. His quarter mile time is 11.6 @ 121mph. 1.7 sixty foot.

My friends ls1 has a little more to it than just a cam and he runs 12.6 in the quarter at like 113mph.

ls1's are faster mod for mod. However, I find it hard to believe for a ls1 cam only car to beat my heads/cam car unless the thing is gutted and has some serious $$ into suspension.

[5.0THIS]

ls1's are faster mod for mod. However, I find it hard to believe for a ls1 cam only car to beat my heads/cam car unless the thing is gutted and has some serious $$ into suspension.

It's possible.. There are cam-only LT1s running over 118mph.

[kenz28]

I guess so. Just not in my area. I think I am the 4th fastest lt1 in state. The ls1 is first, but he is by no means stock. He runs a 11.0 in the 1/4

[robb4964]

It's possible.. There are cam-only LT1s running over 118mph.
Its not just possible, Its easy.

And the 15 angle valves are one of the great things about LS1's but it dont stop there. LS1 engine desighn in general is just amazing.

[robb4964]

I have yet to run my car at the track. However, my friend has a 95 TA with a vortech supercharger running at 6psi with the lt4 conversion and I run with him all day long. His quarter mile time is 11.6 @ 121mph. 1.7 sixty foot.

My friends ls1 has a little more to it than just a cam and he runs 12.6 in the quarter at like 113mph.

ls1's are faster mod for mod. However, I find it hard to believe for a ls1 cam only car to beat my heads/cam car unless the thing is gutted and has some serious $$ into suspension.

If I put a supercharger on my LS1 id run 10's easily as it is right now.

My car has 300$ in the suspension. And is full weight wich is 3500+ pounds. If you want to race come to ohio and Ill race ya and Im 100% sure if your heads, cam and NA I will beat you.Im not trying to be an ass but man I have already had 4 LT1's and none of them remained stock and did not compare. They are 2 different beasts. I have nothing to gain lying. I own an LT1, Dont foget that. I can produce a video of both my cars running at the track. And I have tons of time slips laying around as well as some pics entering the traps.

I dont know how you find it hard to believe.This is not new news. I have a friend who just had his LS1 tuned and it is also stock heads and ful weight and he actually owns a head/cam LT1 and a SS LS1. His SS is faster.

His brother has a cammed Lt1 " CC306" and he is thinking about an LS1 conversion becasue I beat his cammed car when I was stock with a lid and catback.

[robb4964]

http://www.idavette.net/hib/ls1c.html

read this. If you read it thrue youll never look an an LS1 the same.

It talks about everything from the valve angles to the piston weight.

If you take an LT1 head and an LS1 head and port them the same the LS1 will make more power. Thats how my Car has more power then most head/cam LT1's. Its the design. This engine was built with a clean slate.

When I get ready to put heads on my LT1 I may just buy a Procharger. Im not one for weight reduction or sacraficing driveability for power so Im considering a procharger.

[robb4964]

Here is a quote.


LS1 generates 345hp at 5600 rpm and 350 lbs/ft. torque at 4400 rpm. Maximum engine speed is 6200 rpm. Compared to the LT4, it generates 15 more horses with peak power 200 rpm lower. It produces 10 more lb/ft. torque with peak torque 100 rpm lower. Chevrolet refused our request for a chart of LS1’s torque curve, but we believe it’s a bit flatter than that of the LT4. All this performance comes from a package weighing 66 pounds less and measuring half-an-inch shorter than a Gen II Small-Block. Some of us still compare today’s power ratings to the gross power figures of the 1960s. If that was still being used, LS1 would put out about 390-400hp. Most notable is that this engine is the first two-valve V8 to reach the one-net-horsepower-per-cubic-inch plateau. That is a monumental engineering achievement.

[oneBADDz]

I love the LS1, and I'm not trying to be a cock and make an enemy, I just have an equal respect for the LT1 after the beast 97 I had. I don't think we'll get anywhere with this so I'm gonna back off.

On another note, how old are you to have owned all of these cars? You go through hotrods faster than I go through condoms. . .
I hope to be able to say I owned several of these cars someday, but I have a attachment thing where I don't like to get rid of the one I have :dunno:

[robb4964]

http://www.thunderracing.com/images/dynos/398vs318.jpg

Small cam and 398HP to the wheels. A few bolt ons stock heads.





410HP to the wheels. Stock heads
http://www.thunderracing.com/images/dynos/thunder230_224a.jpg




451 Rear wheel HP with stock heads.
http://www.thunderracing.com/dynographs/?action=read&pgid=60

This is just thunder racing. Hundreds of other's have awsome numbers like these.Can you even show me a head and cam LT1 with a stock shortblock that pulls these numbers that this cam only LS1 is making? Nope. Wont find one. BTW, the LT1 is actually a slightly larger engine.

[robb4964]

I love the LS1, and I'm not trying to be a cock and make an enemy, I just have an equal respect for the LT1 after the beast 97 I had. I don't think we'll get anywhere with this so I'm gonna back off.

On another note, how old are you to have owned all of these cars? You go through hotrods faster than I go through condoms. . .
I hope to be able to say I owned several of these cars someday, but I have a attachment thing where I don't like to get rid of the one I have :dunno:


Im only 26. I have owned alot more cars then this and no..Im not rich. I work ALOT to pay for these cars and I also support 4 kids. I bought my first 4th gen at 18. I worked and put a HUGE down payment on the first one, A LT1 bird, and had it payed off in a year and a half.Took a year of overtime and saving to get it paid off. I traded it for an M6 camaro because I prefer manuals. I bought the LS1 TA a few years ago stock to the filter and Bone stock I managed a 13.3@107 on street tires and I was horrible at taking off so my 60's where SOmething to laugh at. I threw on a lid,catback and ported MAF ends and was running 13.1@109 on street tires with those mods. Nursing it off the line. Stock suspension sucks on these cars so I couldnt do better then a 2.2 60.
I cammed it and threw in a clutch and pulled a 12.8@113 on street tires untuned and missing with a 2.2 60. I then tuned it,bought an LS6 inatake and a few hundred dollars in suspension parts" Made all the difference in the world"and had bryan herter tune it and now it runs 12.0-12.3 on street tires and easily hits 11's with drag radials. Thats pulling a conservative 1.78 60. Thats the best 60 I have pulled as I am afraif of breaking the 10 Bolt.
The LT1 is getting a stall this weekend. It just came in the mail today and I cant wait. I will have the LT1 running 12's before june I hope. It was quite a runnner from the box. Fastest stock LT1 I have had so far out of all of them.
I did manage to pull a 12.9@105 in my 95 M6. It had shorties,gears and a centerforce clutch with 1.9 60's. I drove it like I stole it. The camaro has 210K on it now and still looks new.


sold the Z28 to a good friend. Then bought a LS1 Formula wholesale and sold it. I then bought the 97 LT1 for a daily driver. I also owned a 94 Z28 that I bought and sold for dirt cheap. It needed fuel pump,opti,rear end and belonged to some rich kid who let it go to crap and he sold it to me for 2k and at the time it had 60K miles on it and booked for 10. I fixed it in my backyard and sold it.

I am a true fan of 4th gen F-bods. I want another LT1 camaro because I think with a big cowl hood and some welds it dont get much better looking. If My Girlfriend would can finish college on time I am going to buy an 08 camaro when They come out.

The LS1 is paid off now so Im gonna try and save for a 12 bolt. Mid 11's are in my near future in the LS1. I thought about selling the Black TA and buying heads. But I cant do it. I love it to much.

[robb4964]

I love the LS1, and I'm not trying to be a cock and make an enemy, I just have an equal respect for the LT1 after the beast 97 I had. I don't think we'll get anywhere with this so I'm gonna back off.

On another note, how old are you to have owned all of these cars? You go through hotrods faster than I go through condoms. . .
I hope to be able to say I owned several of these cars someday, but I have a attachment thing where I don't like to get rid of the one I have :dunno:


BTW, I dont consider someone an enemy for lack of understanding or agreement. :beer: So you dont have to worry about that.

Im not trying to be a cock either but im a realist. And denial is ugly!..LOL

[kenz28]

Woah Robb, calm down. I never said the LT1 was a better engine. The LS1 is by far superior, however if you were to say put $$ to $$ the LT1 would win. Any half way decent LS1 car costs around 8k or up. I have about 9k total into my whole car. This includes the price of the car and all mods. I was just stating for the money you could spend on a stock LS1 car you could have a mean LT1 car.

Comparing a fully modded LS1 against an LT1 is like comparing the LS1 to the LS6. They are different engines with different price tags.

If you want to talk about fast without very little money into modding then I would say a chipped, pullied, and intake cobra would beat practically any car any day of the week.

I was just simply trying to help the thread starter with my opinion.

[5.0THIS]

No more LS1 vs LT1 pissing match...

[robb4964]

Woah Robb, calm down. I never said the LT1 was a better engine. The LS1 is by far superior, however if you were to say put $$ to $$ the LT1 would win. Any half way decent LS1 car costs around 8k or up. I have about 9k total into my whole car. This includes the price of the car and all mods. I was just stating for the money you could spend on a stock LS1 car you could have a mean LT1 car.

Comparing a fully modded LS1 against an LT1 is like comparing the LS1 to the LS6. They are different engines with different price tags.

If you want to talk about fast without very little money into modding then I would say a chipped, pullied, and intake cobra would beat practically any car any day of the week.

I was just simply trying to help the thread starter with my opinion.

Thats cool man.
But a LS6 is pretty much AN LS1 with light head porting. So its still different.

If you look for ls1's cheap they are out there. I bought my 99 TA 2 years ago for 8k and it was like new " ebay" and I have less then 2400$ in my setup on my LS1. I have done all the work myself though" Saves alot of dough"
There was a guy up the street who sold a 2000 LS1 m6 Z28 for 4100$ I almost bought it but I bought my 97 TA instead.I actually paid more for the LT1 but It was in prestine condition.

[lt4ever]

No more LS1 vs LT1 pissing match...

Wait... let me get my ruler out... Yup, my dick is bigger!

[kingls1]

No more LS1 vs LT1 pissing match...
See it wasnt just me. People are just answering the guy's question. I have had 2 LT1's bebore my ls1. I stell like the lt1 but I will mever go back. BTW thank's for the little vacation Ron Berg.

[rudyb28]

I would not get any type of opti spark MSD or any other brand. I would go with the Delteq ignition coil setup. That is your best option. It puts out more spark that any opti-spark set up . Even with an MSD box.

[rudyb28]

As far as all the arguments about LT1 or LS1 goes, I think that if as much research went into the LT’s back in the 90’s with all these performance companies as there are now with the LS1’s I believe the LT’s would have better dyno numbers. But this performance shit was not high in demand back in the 90’s nor was the internet. And one thing you can not take away from the Lt’s is that hands down they sound allot more aggressive than LS1’s any day!!!!!!

[badassvette]

lt1s are the shiznet. i have a 93 with 113000 miles and runs great. never had to change the optispark.

[robb4964]

As far as all the arguments about LT1 or LS1 goes, I think that if as much research went into the LT’s back in the 90’s with all these performance companies as there are now with the LS1’s I believe the LT’s would have better dyno numbers. But this performance shit was not high in demand back in the 90’s nor was the internet. And one thing you can not take away from the Lt’s is that hands down they sound allot more aggressive than LS1’s any day!!!!!!


No they wouldnt have. LT1's are plenty powerfule for what they are but you are implying they have more potential then what the aftermarket companies are getting out of them. Thats just not true. There are head and cam combination packages that can net up too 400RWHP and thats nearly as far as the engine deisgn itself will allow the motor to be pushed.



As far as the sound, Ill give ya that. My LT1's have ALWAYS sounded outstanding.:yup: One of the reasons I cant wait to cam the LT1 just for the sound.

[5.0THIS]

this is going nowhere