anyone interested in a single turbo underhood kit?

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

we are in the prototype phase of offering these kits to everyone.. we will be retailing them for $3000 .. shipped...
will include a t-60 turbo, or t-70 whichever you choose...
blow off valve, and boost controller, piping will be all bolt on, and will include a downpipe to reconnect to factory, or aftermarket exhaust.. everything needed except for tuning...

trying to get an idea of pre sales estimates..

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

A turbo is on my list in about 2 years.

[94formulaLT1]

ya im also looking into a turbo, but its aimed as a long term goal...they arent cheap

[ram air ws6]

I'm definately interested in a turbo setup for my car. Let me know when you have more details about your kit. Do you have any pics?

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

not just yet. we should have the first kit in about 3 weeks... done and on the car.. im even gonna dyno tune it to get good numbers.. this will be for stock bottom end cars... the kit we're doin now will have the t-60 on it..
should get around 575 to the wheels... not sure if fuel will be an issue.. if it becomes an issue at around 8 psi, then we might have to include injectors or a boost pump with the kit..

[transamman9029]

i'm in just let me know when it is ready.

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

word... excellent response for less than 24 hours.. we'll get cracking on it.. we're just trying to finance everything right now, and still be able to eat..lol...

[y2konyxss]

i want a turbo for my ls1.

i want to see details and pictures when they are avaliable.

is this kit going to be intercooled?

what kind of mods will be required under the hood to fit a unit like this such as cutting and relocation?

thanks.

[c5andtyphoon]

Fit Corvette

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

yes we will be making one for the vette... there will be no cutting... only a simple thing that i cant divulge just yet..

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

we're still weighing our options, might just have the a/c relocated, or eliminated...

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

why would you want it to be intercooled? the basic kits will not be intercooled.. because the design we're making, there will be very little heat near the intake..
there will be an upgrade option for $400 that will provide a front mount and the corresponding pipes..
but for now our kits are for quick reliable boost... if you wanna turn it up past the recommended settings your gonna need fuel, and a good tune..
but it will still be better than the relocated turbo kits.. we're trying to provide good boost for less.. no fancy robot welding.. just all handbuilt..

[quicky06]

you wont get those numbers on pump gas with out an intercooler.

the air coming out of the turbo will be way to hot

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

with a 1.05 a/r?
a turbo good for 680 hp for the base kit, and the upgrade with a turbo good for 900 hp?
the upgraded kit will have an intercooler... the base kit will be available with an intercooler. but there is no need for an intercooler at 7 psi.. intercoolers are overrated for anything under 10 psi..
yes you get colder air, but you also get lag, slower response, boost control issues...
believe me i know all about intercoolers too so please dont try to lecture me on it..
i had a stock 2.0 l subaru motor pushing 23 psi.. never skipped a beat.. read up on subaru blocks you'll see why thats amazing..
considering rods are known to go at 20...
its all in the tune, and for anything under 10 psi the 8-10 degrees warmer air will be worth it for the quickness and laglessness it will get..

[theamxguy]

I'm interested as well. I'll be unloading my 93 and picking up an ls1 car in the next couple of months and a turbo is at the top of my immediate must do list for it.

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

we'll have everything ready by the middle of april.. including dyno results and possibly even the base tuning map for LS1edit, and hptuners..
let me know if theres anything else you want us to include.. we're doing this all for $3K shipped...we're also gonna look at 3" full exhaust systems out of stainless for you guys too..
let me know what you guys want out of the kit, and what you expect.. customer service will be top priority..

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

from what ive gathered fuel injectors are good for around 600 flywheel hp...
so we're gonna try for 520 whp with no injector upgrades... sound good for $3K?

[LarryM]

from what ive gathered fuel injectors are good for around 600 flywheel hp...
so we're gonna try for 520 whp with no injector upgrades... sound good for $3K?
Well from reading this post, I can say there is about a 0% chance you'll achieve any of the goals you've set forth....I get this 0% from seeing what previous turbo builders have been able to do. Don't take this as a knock in any way, just trying to help, I understand you've been around turbos a long time and know all there is to know about intercoolers.

T-60 and 575rwhp......:lol:
Not sure if fuel will be an issue....:yup: (injectors and pump at the minimum)
1.05 A/R and no lag.....:thinkin:
No intercooler.....:tv:
Your turbo system on the stock short block :nite:

I'm going to give you a heads up for your build, do what your planning to do and state that your HP goals are something like 400rwhp.

If you really want 500+, then tell your potential customer they will need injectors and a pump at the minimum, that toy turbo isn't gonna cut it, try something closer to a 76, your gonna need an intercooler, adding meth is a good idea, and be prepared to build a short block cause it might go.

Lastly, what manifolds are you using? Making them on your own or flipping some truck manifolds backwards? If they are truck headers, I don't think the AC will work and the alternator needs to be relocated. If your making them on your own, what type of metal are you using? 304 is prone to cracking, 321 is better but more expensive.

Good luck, but I just don't see it happening

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

and why does everyone think you need a 100mm turbo to get 700 hp on a v8...
have you ever seen a 700 hp import with a 100mm turbo on it?
they must be doing something right if they have half the displacement and a 60 trim turbo, putting down 600 whp numbers....
things are still being worked out.. of course our actual results are probably gonna be lower than our initial intentions..
thats where the tuning will come in..
and stock shortblocks are good for 650whp... depending on the tune..
the base kit will not push these limits..
the upgraded kits will come with injectors and a pump if needed..
and please tell me what your basis for comparison is..seeing as this is your first post?
ive had four turbo cars, pushed to the limits...
ive been studying plenty.. and im not gonna bench race my turbo kits.. when they are done the dyno results will speak for themselves... no diluted numbers either... stock kit will be just that... no intercooler, no cam, no injector upgrades...
you can be a skeptic all you want.. critiscm isnt going to affect me when my numbers post..dish it out all you want...
the base kit comes with a super 62-1 turbo.. with .84 and optional .96 A/R or optional t70... they are the same price to us, so we'll make them the same price to you...
the upgrade is a GT45 turbo..
just because im not a kit builder that has been around a long time doesnt mean i cant offer the same thing they do for less $$$... dont be diluted by name brands..

[LarryM]

and why does everyone think you need a 100mm turbo to get 700 hp on a v8...
have you ever seen a 700 hp import with a 100mm turbo on it?
they must be doing something right if they have half the displacement and a 60 trim turbo, putting down 600 whp numbers....
things are still being worked out.. of course our actual results are probably gonna be lower than our initial intentions..
thats where the tuning will come in..
and stock shortblocks are good for 650whp... depending on the tune..
the base kit will not push these limits..
the upgraded kits will come with injectors and a pump if needed..
and please tell me what your basis for comparison is..seeing as this is your first post?
ive had four turbo cars, pushed to the limits...
ive been studying plenty.. and im not gonna bench race my turbo kits.. when they are done the dyno results will speak for themselves... no diluted numbers either... stock kit will be just that... no intercooler, no cam, no injector upgrades...
you can be a skeptic all you want.. critiscm isnt going to affect me when my numbers post..dish it out all you want...
the base kit comes with a super 62-1 turbo.. with .84 and optional .96 A/R or optional t70... they are the same price to us, so we'll make them the same price to you...
the upgrade is a GT45 turbo..
just because im not a kit builder that has been around a long time doesnt mean i cant offer the same thing they do for less $$$... dont be diluted by name brands..
Post this over at LS1Tech...I don't waste my time with this board....and I do admit I am a turbo newb, just been reading for a few years now....and everything I have stated above....well its been said a million times....Just reading over some of your stuff tells me your a newb to a turbo LS1 also. Seriously you've gotta be out of your mind if you think an LS1 with 500+ rwhp *might* not need fuel upgrades, they are 28lb injectors!!! Your gonna need something like 60s on a TURBO application

Like I said above....good luck, I just don't see it happening...prove me wrong please

Oh yeah, please don't compare apples to oranges with the whole import vs V8 non-sense....2 totally different motors....ever heard of those crazy things....oh what are they called....oh yeah compressor maps....these big V8s are gonna be choking the shit out of that little turbo like a .02 vietnamese whore:lol:

oh yeah I have over 1500 posts at LS1Tech if that matters at all....and had about 2K before this site crashed....

[LarryM]

Name brand LS1 Kit.....ummm who?

[LarryM]

I need 5 posts to add a link

[LarryM]

This should do it

[LarryM]

for your reading pleasure
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=470485

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

you know about VE and compressor maps...
so please tell me how a 346 cid.. technically a 347.7 cid motor is gonna choke at 10 pounds of boost on a t 62?
that is perfectly in the efficiency range of 65% and up from 3000 rpm to just under 6500 RPM..
the injectors have been tested good to 600 Flywheel HP...
but since you insist i guess 42 lb injectors are gonna come with the kit..
there happy?
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/boostdscoob/t61compressormap.jpg

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

now based on calculations and a 80% VE that would mean at 10 psi this turbo at 3000 rpm would be almost 70% efficiency..
at 6500 it would be around 65%... so please enlighten me how this turbo at lower boost wouldnt work just fine for everyday use?

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

and again we're not even talking about the t70.. which isnt the upgrade ... just the bigger of the two available with the kit..
i can post that compressor map also... either turbo will be available with the kit.. maybe this is why no good kits come out, cause you cry when they dont make your car scream, but when the motor blows you blame the kit manufacturer for not properly sizing the turbo..
im not building this kit for people with fully built motors.. thats what the turbo upgrade, intercooler, 60# injectors, and fuel pump kit is for.. and a few more PSi...
everyone seems to think that 8 lbs on a 60 trim is alot for their motors..
the turbos are good for 25 psi in their 76% efficiency range.. yes airflow is also a factor.. but you cant shove a bunch of air and fuel in and just expect it to go faster..
technically speaking the GT45 is about the only good turbo for these motors compressor mapwise, but then youd have to be able to run 12-16 psi... and thats not gonna happen on stock bottom end..
this kit isnt marketed for maximum power.. its for reliable, inexpensive boost for psi happy ls1 owners..

[moparnos]

yak!!!!!!!!!!!!! hallo everybody

[LarryM]

Thanks, but I am not gonna waste my time with the compressor map....I used to know how to know how to read them, but like I said I am a newb and I don't feel like teaching myself all over again.

Trust me, I am not crying about your kit or any kit on the market...just telling you straight up that your plans are not gonna work for the power levels you claim and the setup you speak of

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

im not making any sure claims of power... just speculation..
so whatever your point was... one way or the other the upgraded kit will make 575 whp...
on a stock bottom end

[FUroundeye]

im not making any sure claims of power... just speculation..
so whatever your point was... one way or the other the upgraded kit will make 575 whp...
on a stock bottom end

:lol: Best unintentionally funny thread EVAH.

[LarryM]

I heareth through the grape vine that you be a thief....

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=836940

Take your shit elsewhere, we don't like your kind around here:thumbdn:

[Darren P]

you are full of shit
oh and you dont have a fucking clue about what you are talking














and a dumbass




that is all

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

well i forgot your the allseeing almighty allknowing internet jackass...
dont cry to me cause you paid too much for a turbo kit..
i love how people continually bring that shit up.. you should read all the pms from him, and how much $$$ i spent trying to make that guy happy.. i no longer choose to communicate with him...hes been repaid, i have the reciepts on paypal to prove it..
so hes not gonna besmirch my name.. hes just pissed cause he didnt get his way..

[smokin2]

i hope for everybodys sake you dont end up building turbo kits, you know jack out turbos specially for V8's, cant read a compressior map worth your life, a turbo aint rated in boost. notta about fuel systems. nothing bout intercoolers.
nobody will by it so save your time and money, plus people dont trust you.

[peter@aps]

why would you want it to be intercooled?Simply because when you compress air you raise the air temp.:thumbdn:

High charge air temp triggers/starts the onset of engine detonation,turbocharging a high comp engine without intercooling is very dangerous imo, food for thought.

Peter

[quicky06]

that and your a bad salesman. i sure wouldnt buy anything from anybidy if they losse thier cool every time somone critisises them

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

im not losing my cool... i dont understand why you guys are so mad that im attempting this?
input is fine, but theres no reason to slam something that isnt even out yet..
i need input on what you guys want out of a turbo kit, without the cost going thru the roof..
you guys make me a list of features and i'll see if i can jam them all in.. without hitting the $3000 mark... ok?

[smokin2]

it just sounds like nobody would buy it form you
how long has your company been in business?

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

well when we get pics of the kit up, we'll see what you guys think..
we are a new company.. i have a certified tig welder whos dad has been tigging for 30+ years.. we'll let the product speak for itself i guess... since you guys seem so untrusting of a new company..

[quicky06]

i have a certified tig welder whos dad has been tigging for 30+ years..

i hope you hired him on more than what his dad has done

[everett]

how much is it going for

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

well hes also my roommate and yes he is very very skilled..
the standard kit will be going for $3000

[smokin2]

his dad, not him, thats just crazy.
$3000? you set the price and havent made it yet, come on.

i sure hope you aren't going to ask for a deposit. haha.

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

well thats with a sizable profit.. considering all materials going into the kit.. of course then theres the labor factor for my roommate the welder...
which means i wont be making much.. but yeah $3000 is the set price for the kit ..

[Raoul-Duke]

well thats with a sizable profit.. considering all materials going into the kit.. of course then theres the labor factor for my roommate the welder...
which means i wont be making much.. but yeah $3000 is the set price for the kit ..
FUCK U UR TURBOS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!:thumbdn: :lick: :bs: :barfonu: :naughtywa :wwf: :moon: :rotfl: :mel: :bow: :sux2bu:

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

ok... my turbos?
postwhore much?

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

:lmao:

[ls2turbo]

hey i noticed you guys know the turbo's pretty good. i am building a 402 stroker and i am in need of a well built 100mm turbo.

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

100 mm turbo... precision all the way..

[tajoe]

:drama: :boxing:

[rwd_boostdscoobLS1]

Can i Get a mod to delete this thread please...

[johuckabee]

I would buy a front mount kit from you as long as you know what you are doing. Don't worry about some of the assholes giving you crap. They are just afraid of change.

[lynx853]

... or afraid of a person who uses cheep parts "well thats with a sizable profit.. considering all materials going into the kit.. of course then theres the labor factor for my roommate the welder..." what kind of steel and tubing are you using again?

and no IC even with a high compression motor? dosnt matter if its low boost or not... gonna need injectors too, unless you wanna max out the stock ones. espically when boost naturaly increases in cold weather by 2-3psi. I have a 4 cylinder turbo and live in the DC area, when its 26 degrees in the middle of winter it boosts more.... and runs leaner unless the injectors will compensate. good thing I have 50lbs injectors and its tuned.

another thing is you already have a bad rep, your gonna have to do an aweful lot to prove otherwise, along with durability testing. cause last thing anybody wants is their header to crack. (and yes with WOT blasts your headers WILL glow with a turbo, just make sure you let her cool down before you shut her off) kinda cool to see too.

if your confident that you can build this system, prove that it can last, and made well. then by all means go for it. otherwise dont count your eggs before they hatch

[sgt0704]

im not losing my cool... i dont understand why you guys are so mad that im attempting this?
input is fine, but theres no reason to slam something that isnt even out yet..
i need input on what you guys want out of a turbo kit, without the cost going thru the roof..
you guys make me a list of features and i'll see if i can jam them all in.. without hitting the $3000 mark... ok?

:banned::banned::banned::banned::banned::banned:

[sethhatfield]

Yeah that sounds like winner. I would pay that.

You might add a ninth injector that activates under heavy boost or something like the GN guys do. Keep it nice and fat under load to prevent detonation.

[Liquifire]

not just yet. we should have the first kit in about 3 weeks... done and on the car.. im even gonna dyno tune it to get good numbers.. this will be for stock bottom end cars... the kit we're doin now will have the t-60 on it..
should get around 575 to the wheels... not sure if fuel will be an issue.. if it becomes an issue at around 8 psi, then we might have to include injectors or a boost pump with the kit..
well..........the proof is in the pudding. It has been more than three weeks, more like five. Is it done yet, dyno tuned, any updates at all?

[Fedge]

any updates? pics? dyno numbers? i'm interested in a front mount kit, i was just gonna build my own...the STS is nice, but i hate the single exhaust look...if i hafta lose my A/C, though...it gets into the 90s with high humidity here...this is my DD, I don't wanna get heat stroke, lol

[Big G]

How about 88 or 91 do you carry those.

Big G

[Raven98Z28]

you know what? I say fuck it... give him a chance. He can mail the prototype to me and if it works, I'll tell you all you were wrong :) rwd_boostdscoobLS1: I'll give you $3k if it works

[Liquifire]

I don't know if he even wants to attempt it anymore for whatever reason. I don't know if it was realistic to begin with, I would have given him a chance, but his exposure from the other site seemed to put a major damper on things, he hasn't even posted in a long time..............

[Zakar]

if i had all you jackass's harping on me i definately wouldnt sell you a kit for half of what most offer it for

i do however think it is a bit optimistic to expect 575hp @ 8psi with no intercooler

with the 70 and an intercooler it would be a breeze... although you would still have to run more then 8lbs..

another thing.. i hate when people say "the rods let go at 20psi" 20psi on a T3 .42/.48 is alot different then 20psi on a SC61 for example. power and detonation break engines....not boost

[ericwilloughby]

with a 1.05 a/r?
a turbo good for 680 hp for the base kit, and the upgrade with a turbo good for 900 hp?
the upgraded kit will have an intercooler... the base kit will be available with an intercooler. but there is no need for an intercooler at 7 psi.. intercoolers are overrated for anything under 10 psi..
yes you get colder air, but you also get lag, slower response, boost control issues...
believe me i know all about intercoolers too so please dont try to lecture me on it..
i had a stock 2.0 l subaru motor pushing 23 psi.. never skipped a beat.. read up on subaru blocks you'll see why thats amazing..
considering rods are known to go at 20...
its all in the tune, and for anything under 10 psi the 8-10 degrees warmer air will be worth it for the quickness and laglessness it will get..\

I am interested too but how can a system builder not know that 10 psi air will be 100 hotter than ambient. E85 may be the answer rather than an intercooler.

[00SLPSS]

Anyone heard from him from the kits, I wanna know the outcome of the battle