02 ss camaro vs. 03 or 04 mach 1

[rigdoctormark]

Do I have a chance in a 1/4 mile race. I have a stock 02 ss with an a4 tranny. Mach 1 is a 5 speed and is stock.

[oneBADDz]

You have more than a chance, just don't break traction and let him jump out on you. If you hook up it's over for him, OVER

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

Just don't take a nap at the light. The Mach 1 5 speed is much faster than the GT. I think it would be close, but you should take him.

[toneloc60]

I test drove a Mach 1 about a week and a half ago. I wouldn't say anything bad about them, but it didn't seem to me to be faster than my '00 Z28.

[430 stang]

It's going to come down to who hooks better.

[Capster78]

Its a drivers race.

[JWBZ SVT]

Its a drivers race.

That's what I was thinking. Don't they both run about the same stock ET's? 13.5? I admit I don't know what an 00SS runs but isn't it about the same?

[oneBADDz]

That's what I was thinking. Don't they both run about the same stock ET's? 13.5? I admit I don't know what an 00SS runs but isn't it about the same?
It really is a good race car for car, but every single race I've seen if the Z hooks up the mach doesn't even put up a good fight :dunno:
I'm not talkin crap, I love Machs, they look SO much better than a Z in my opinion. Real story though, my friend had a 99 Z28 with lid and exhaust, raced a mach one, he pulled the dreaded 2-3-2 shifting and the mach STILL never passed him. He stuck it back in 4th and kept pulling. Even if the kid in the mach couldn't drive a stick worth a crap he should have caught him

[1badaSS]

I raced one from a slow roll and we were dead even the whole way. It was a sick race.

[Raoul-Duke]

Yeah Dude U Got Him, Mach Ones Are Quick, But Nuttin A Ls1 Camaro Ss Cant Take

[Capster78]

It really is a good race car for car, but every single race I've seen if the Z hooks up the mach doesn't even put up a good fight :dunno:
I'm not talkin crap, I love Machs, they look SO much better than a Z in my opinion. Real story though, my friend had a 99 Z28 with lid and exhaust, raced a mach one, he pulled the dreaded 2-3-2 shifting and the mach STILL never passed him. He stuck it back in 4th and kept pulling. Even if the kid in the mach couldn't drive a stick worth a crap he should have caught him

Your friend probably raced someone who could not drive. I see mach 1's pulling low 13's all day back home and have raced several at the track.

[jking]

It's nearly a dead even race.

I've owned both an 03' Mach and an 02' Z.

The Mach was a hair quicker to 80 or so, and the Z was a hair faster up top.

I ran a 13.06 with sticky tires and a lid in the Z28, and I ran a 12.90 in the Mach 1 with DR's and an X-pipe. Both trapped over 105.

Drivers being equal, the Z usually has a better chance because the Mach is hard to launch on stock rubber with it's 3.38 1st gear and 3.55 rear.

If the Mach guy can drive, flip a coin.

[jking]

Also keep in mind that some cars run better than others. I had a strong example of a Mach.

The best time I turned in my Mach was a 12.61 @ 107.77. That was only with the xpipe, DR's, programer and CAI.

The same night there was a guy there in a 5 speed Mach that was bone stock and couldn't trap over 101. He was hitting high 13's all night.

I've seen the same shit with LS1 cars too. I saw a guy in an M6 GTO who couldn't get out of the 14's, and he didn't appear to be a bad driver.

[usnzulz]

I had a Mach 1 04 now I have a 01 Z 28 with m6 I think the Z is faster never had either one at the track but I like the Z better. Just my .02

[Rebuell]

My WS6 is an Auto with a 3400 Stall and DR's.. with all the external boltons 03-04 Cobra's stock take a wipping by 5 cars to 100.. Machs are quick n doubt but i hook every time , and i've won everytime

[Cobra2WS6]

A stock Mach1 5 speed can run 13.1-13.3@105, it will be a tough race for an auto

[Rebuell]

4.11 Gears , Shift kit, Stall Converter, DR's = consistant launch. perhaps like the Cobra its stock suspension doesnt allow for inexperienced racers..

OH, alot of bolt

[Jason05GTO]

I had a Mach, definitely a fast car - much faster than the GT. I raced a few Camaro's and Firebirds and it was always close.

[00H/CGT]

To the one that said they run 13.5's... I am sorry but u have ur facts wrong. My buddie just had got his 04 Mach 1 5spd from dealer and ran 13.34 with a 2.25 60FT on street tires and on nitto dr's he ran a 12.96 with a 1.9 60FT.....anyhow as far as the race goes it should be really close... no more than a car on each other..if the other one doesnt know how it drive I am assuming

[jking]

4.11 Gears , Shift kit, Stall Converter, DR's = consistant launch. perhaps like the Cobra its stock suspension doesnt allow for inexperienced racers..

OH, alot of bolt


The Mach has an excellent stock suspension/gearing for launching, it's the tires that come on it that kill it. It's the same POS Goodyear Gatorbacks that have been around since the mid 1980's. Powershift 2nd on the "skatorbacks", and it leaves rubber like a motherfucker, but it eats up time. I've raced guys with my Z28 and C5 who had stock or mild bolt-on Machs on stock rubber that cut 1.9x's, and ran 13.0-13.2's, so if you can drive, you can deal with it.

With sticky tires, it's the launch and the short 1st gear/high revs that make the Mach really hard to deal with.

With DR's I was cutting low 1.6x 60's on the stock suspension at full weight. I would bury Fbodies so bad in the hole, most of the time I would have 3 lengths on them before they even got going.

If you have a car cutting a 1.6 and trapping 105+, it's gonna take a pretty stout bolt-on Fbody to deal with that.

Like I said, I was running 12.60's with minor bolt-ons and DR's, and I beat a lot of cars that would have destroyed me from a roll. A good example was an M6 SS with longtubes/cut out on slicks that I ran at HRP one night. I beat him by a couple of lengths, but I could see him coming on pretty hard on the big end..

[jking]

To the one that said they run 13.5's... I am sorry but u have ur facts wrong. My buddie just had got his 04 Mach 1 5spd from dealer and ran 13.34 with a 2.25 60FT on street tires and on nitto dr's he ran a 12.96 with a 1.9 60FT.....anyhow as far as the race goes it should be really close... no more than a car on each other..if the other one doesnt know how it drive I am assuming
Tell you buddy to air the DR's down to 12psi, get them hot as fuck and dump out at 4500.

I bet he'll knock at least couple of 10ths off of that time...

[Rebuell]

Again.. my Auyto Ram Air was a factory runner from the start.. totally stock the car ran a 13.24.
She factory dynoed at 321.69.... and found out later she had a Ls6 Block.

complete intake and exhaust bolt ons.. LS1 edit, dyno tuned suspension mods. + tranny mods....

Ran modified Machs, slightly modified Cobra sc i only lost once to a 425 rwhp Cobra... and only at the end of the 1/4.
i too owned a 99 Gt stag.. with about 3-4 K in Steeda mods .. I know the Mach and cobra are fast bone stock.. i was lucky to have a great mechanic match my coponates... i could consistantly run 1.5x 60 foots times.. i feared very little in 0-70-100 runs on cars with mild bolt -on applications..or Stock z06( c5) even vipers, 911 turbo's and a few race prepped harleys..

Again i would never put down the mach or cobra.. i was just Lucky to have a strong runner and never ran into any mega hp Machs or Cobra's. And my tranny and suspension were up to the task of applyig all my Hp to the ground..

just as an Aside i remeber Pontiac performance magazine running a porker 2002 Ws6 Auto .. on stock tires .. and the car wass running 13.1's...

The Stang - Camaro/ Firebird rivalry was always close and in the end the firebird ram Air was still a viable champ... even in auto.. . my next project is a 96 C4 with a Lt4 base motor.... hoping to extract 425 hp to the wheels with some creative mods. or a factory 5 Cobra replica. .. Again i know i've been lucky with the Machs and cobra's i've run.. i attribute my winning streak to a balanced intake /exhaust bolt- on combination.. proper tuning, a kick aass tranny build.. and proper suspension geometry.
and the fact that she was a stock HP freak to build upon.......i sweated my first couple Cobra's (03-04)
stock.. but realized that my money was finally well spent on the modifications.... Balance .. as in life is the key to fun an success. with a litttle luck thrown in.

[Jason05GTO]

A race between those two cars, both stock, is a drivers race. Neither car is that much better than the other that one will smoke the other in an even up race.

[Mach1Mustang]

Sooo
how did it go?

[Raoul-Duke]

Mach Ones Are Fast, But Ur Ss Is Gonna Take It, Ford Did Make A Fast Car And I Give Machs A Lotta Credit But Ls1's Still Got The Upperhand On Em

[Mach1Mustang]

not raced yet?

[jking]

not raced yet?


No shit, right?

[Pumped03]

:lol: Again.. my Auyto Ram Air was a factory runner from the start.. totally stock the car ran a 13.24.
She factory dynoed at 321.69.... and found out later she had a Ls6 Block.

complete intake and exhaust bolt ons.. LS1 edit, dyno tuned suspension mods. + tranny mods....

Ran modified Machs, slightly modified Cobra sc i only lost once to a 425 rwhp Cobra... and only at the end of the 1/4.
i too owned a 99 Gt stag.. with about 3-4 K in Steeda mods .. I know the Mach and cobra are fast bone stock.. i was lucky to have a great mechanic match my coponates... i could consistantly run 1.5x 60 foots times.. i feared very little in 0-70-100 runs on cars with mild bolt -on applications..or Stock z06( c5) even vipers, 911 turbo's and a few race prepped harleys..

Again i would never put down the mach or cobra.. i was just Lucky to have a strong runner and never ran into any mega hp Machs or Cobra's. And my tranny and suspension were up to the task of applyig all my Hp to the ground..

just as an Aside i remeber Pontiac performance magazine running a porker 2002 Ws6 Auto .. on stock tires .. and the car wass running 13.1's...

The Stang - Camaro/ Firebird rivalry was always close and in the end the firebird ram Air was still a viable champ... even in auto.. . my next project is a 96 C4 with a Lt4 base motor.... hoping to extract 425 hp to the wheels with some creative mods. or a factory 5 Cobra replica. .. Again i know i've been lucky with the Machs and cobra's i've run.. i attribute my winning streak to a balanced intake /exhaust bolt- on combination.. proper tuning, a kick aass tranny build.. and proper suspension geometry.
and the fact that she was a stock HP freak to build upon.......i sweated my first couple Cobra's (03-04)
stock.. but realized that my money was finally well spent on the modifications.... Balance .. as in life is the key to fun an success. with a litttle luck thrown in.

:lol:

321.69

Auto?????

What correction factor? Maybe a dyno session in 40-50 degrees uncorrected.

I find it hard to believe you can consistently beat a Z06 or '95 up Viper when those cars run mid-11's near bone stock with tires and you with only minor bolt-ons. Most F-Bodies will run mid-low 12's with full bolt-ons and tires NA. You also mentioned suspension mods without saying anything about the rear gear. You say you're running consistent 1.5x 60 footers. Not on the stock rear. I barely run consistent 1.5x's at 600 rwhp but that is with the stock IRS. You have to hit one pretty damned hard to get 1.50's. To beat a mid-11 car with your power levels you would have to pull 1.2-1.3 60 footers.

[Rebuell]

Funny , when Pontiac performance magazine tested a full porker auto Ws6 2002 Collector yellow ...they ran in the 13.1x range multiple times on stock tires..../ as they say your milage may vary!... and older Vipers and i believe the Zo6 weren't driven to potential

[rigdoctormark]

no haven't raced him yet.

[99vette]

My Buddy has a 04 Mach 1 5-speed. He can run 8.5's in the 1/8 mile! im not sure what his 1/4 mile would eqaul out to be. But ls1's are monsters on the top end.

[Mach1Mustang]

Then again so are the DOHC mach motors. They love the high rpms.

[jking]

Then again so are the DOHC mach motors. They love the high rpms.


It was my experience that my LS1 cars were noticably stonger than my Mach after 100.

Especially when the Mach has to go to 5th around 140 or where ever. It fell on it's face where my Z28 would still be pulling hard at 155. The Mach would still pick up, but it wasn't close to the same.

By the same token, the Mach seemed quicker to 70 or so. I was running 8.20's 1/8th with just drag radials. I don't think my LS1 cars could do that in stock trim with drag radials. It's the launch, rev and gearing advantage in 1st and 2nd that I think makes them run so well.

[Capster78]

Again.. my Auyto Ram Air was a factory runner from the start.. totally stock the car ran a 13.24.
She factory dynoed at 321.69.... and found out later she had a Ls6 Block.

complete intake and exhaust bolt ons.. LS1 edit, dyno tuned suspension mods. + tranny mods....

Ran modified Machs, slightly modified Cobra sc i only lost once to a 425 rwhp Cobra... and only at the end of the 1/4.
i too owned a 99 Gt stag.. with about 3-4 K in Steeda mods .. I know the Mach and cobra are fast bone stock.. i was lucky to have a great mechanic match my coponates... i could consistantly run 1.5x 60 foots times.. i feared very little in 0-70-100 runs on cars with mild bolt -on applications..or Stock z06( c5) even vipers, 911 turbo's and a few race prepped harleys..

Again i would never put down the mach or cobra.. i was just Lucky to have a strong runner and never ran into any mega hp Machs or Cobra's. And my tranny and suspension were up to the task of applyig all my Hp to the ground..

just as an Aside i remeber Pontiac performance magazine running a porker 2002 Ws6 Auto .. on stock tires .. and the car wass running 13.1's...

The Stang - Camaro/ Firebird rivalry was always close and in the end the firebird ram Air was still a viable champ... even in auto.. . my next project is a 96 C4 with a Lt4 base motor.... hoping to extract 425 hp to the wheels with some creative mods. or a factory 5 Cobra replica. .. Again i know i've been lucky with the Machs and cobra's i've run.. i attribute my winning streak to a balanced intake /exhaust bolt- on combination.. proper tuning, a kick aass tranny build.. and proper suspension geometry.
and the fact that she was a stock HP freak to build upon.......i sweated my first couple Cobra's (03-04)
stock.. but realized that my money was finally well spent on the modifications.... Balance .. as in life is the key to fun an success. with a litttle luck thrown in.

Let me get this strait. So your cutting 1.5 60's and running 13.1's and your beating vipers, Z06's and turboed porche's. Are you serious??? And then you bring up a magazine test to back up your retarded claims!!! Do us all a favor, trade your TA for a Honda.

[ragu1585]

ls1's are monsters, but dont underestimate the mach's. when i had my auto mach with gears and exhaust i never lost to an ls1 in a dig race, but roll races i never won, by around a car or so my buddy with his 5speed mach with the same stuff i had & tires and ran a best of 12.6's, and consistant 12.8's .. but dont take that the wrong way cause i know there are plenty out there that would and could have walked me i just never found them

[jking]

ls1's are monsters, but dont underestimate the mach's. when i had my auto mach with gears and exhaust i never lost to an ls1 in a dig race, but roll races i never won, by around a car or so my buddy with his 5speed mach with the same stuff i had & tires and ran a best of 12.6's, and consistant 12.8's .. but dont take that the wrong way cause i know there are plenty out there that would and could have walked me i just never found them

I never lost to an LS1 when I had my Mach either. I complemented a GTO owner at a gas station one time and he gave me a 15 minute speech about how fast his shit was, and how Ford just isn't cutting it with the Mustang GT, refering to my Mach which had the stickers removed. I plead guilty for leading him on by acting all wide eyed and impressed.

We got on the feeder in front of the gas station and hit it from about 20mph. This is when I was running consistent 12.60's with very few mods and he had an A4.

I pulled the living shit out of him and put at least 10 cars on his ass to 100.

It was guys like that who made owning a Mach fun.

I probably ran a dozen stock or mildly modded LS1's on the track and never lost.

Like you say, I know that there are LS1's out there that would have killed me, but I can drive pretty good, and could handle any that were modded similar to mine. CAI, DR's, tune and Xpipe = lid, ORP, tune and DR's.

[oneBADDz]

I never lost to an LS1 when I had my Mach either. I complemented a GTO owner at a gas station one time and he gave me a 15 minute speech about how fast his shit was, and how Ford just isn't cutting it with the Mustang GT, refering to my Mach which had the stickers removed. I plead guilty for leading him on by acting all wide eyed and impressed.

We got on the feeder in front of the gas station and hit it from about 20mph. This is when I was running consistent 12.60's with very few mods and he had an A4.

I pulled the living shit out of him and put at least 10 cars on his ass to 100.

It was guys like that who made owning a Mach fun.

I probably ran a dozen stock or mildly modded LS1's on the track and never lost.

Like you say, I know that there are LS1's out there that would have killed me, but I can drive pretty good, and could handle any that were modded similar to mine. CAI, DR's, tune and Xpipe = lid, ORP, tune and DR's.
I have had the exact opposite experiences :dunno: Machs have always been a little faster the LT1s and unable to handle an LS1 in my experience. This is one that will never be settled. I would equate the Mach with the new gt, which is faster than I hear people around here giving it credit for. If you give than any leeway you might not catch up before the end of the 1/4, but a driver that's on his toes is an LS1 won't lose, stock for stock. I don't think "similar modded" is a good argument for what a stock for stock race would be, different cars react to different mods in different ways. It's crazy that we've had exact opposite experiences with them though, I've been trying to run one down that I see in my neighborhood lately but the oppotunity hasn't been there yet. I hope to freshen up my Mach experiences, most of my experience comes from when they were brand newish so were most likely to be 100% stock, and we all know that any LS1 willing to race at minimum probably has a lid and maybe exhaust and is still claiming "stock"

[Mach1Mustang]

the new gt has about the same peak hp as the mach but the power band on the mach is much better. A mach will almost always out run a new gt. When i was stock i raced a Trans Am with a lid and catback and it was a good race. He won by a 1/2 car.

[jking]

I thought the M5 Mach dyno's about 15hp more to the wheels on average. 260 vs. 275?

It's the torque management that hurts the new GT's though. That can easily be removed with a tune. Evan Smith at MM&FF ran a 13.39 with a new GT, got a tune, and ran a 13.09. That dude can drive... He also ran a Z28 to 12.8's, an LS1 C5 to 12.7's, and 2 different Mach 1's to 13.1's.

I base my Mach experience from owning 2 LS1 Z28's, an LS1 C5, and a Mach 1, and running all of them at the track dozens of times. On several occasions, I ran my C5 and my 02' Z28 against a group of Mach 1 owners in Houston who were there. Some of them were running 13.0-13.1's bone stock, or with just a cat back. My Z was running the same times, and my C5 would run slightly faster than that.

It was running against them that opened my eyes to what a well driven Mach 1 can do. When I was looking for another sports car, that's what I got. My first trip to the track with my Mach 1 netted me a best of 12.90@106. That was with only drag radials and a not so hot 1.9x 60'.

By the same token, I talked to another Mach owner one night who couldn't run faster than a 13.90, and couldn't trap over 101. Dirvers and production variations make a difference.

[jking]

The only way to really settle it is go to the websites and look at the 1/4 mile list.

Most Mach 1 owners net mid 13's. Same as LS1 owners.

I know of 1 Mach owner who hit 12's bone stock. He post under the name "Foster" I believe. Lots of them hit low 13's, but as they mod, they move up the list...

There have been several Fbody owners hit 12's, but it's not very common. I saw a guy doing it one night at HRP with a 99' stripper Z28.

[foit3]

my bro's GTP laid the smack on a Mach 1 i was with him that day it was funny as hell. the guy in the stang was so pissed

[foit3]

my bro's GTP laid the smackdown on a mach 1. it was funny as hell. the stang driver was so pissed and my 98 Z28 smashes his GTP so u should win

[jking]

my bro's GTP laid the smackdown on a mach 1. it was funny as hell. the stang driver was so pissed and my 98 Z28 smashes his GTP so u should win

That's as funny as a post I saw on the Mach forum once, where some retard proclaimed that Z06 Corvettes are "cannon fodder" for Mach 1's because the Z06 at his local track runs high 13's.

I'm not making that up.

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

Unless that's a highly modded GTP I don't think the Mach 1 was racing. Unless he didn't shift into the right gear or broke something. I beat a GTP with a lightly modded 3.4 Alero!

[ragu1585]

The Stories that come outta some peoples mouths.. WOW

[ericwilloughby]

New here. Sorry. What's a lid? SS hood scoop?

[foit3]

the gtp isnt highly modded but its enough mustangs blow unless its a cobra.. must people cant drive anyway i know the guy with the mach 1 now

[Mach1Mustang]

That's as funny as a post I saw on the Mach forum once, where some retard proclaimed that Z06 Corvettes are "cannon fodder" for Mach 1's because the Z06 at his local track runs high 13's.

I'm not making that up.
I dont doubt you at all. Some people think that there car is god. That includes the ls1 cars as well, and the ls2 goats. I love the ls1 and have a great deal of respect for them. But some of you guys have a big head as well, thinking that you cant get beat.
Also you will notice that in that thread the guy that said that surely got flamed

[jking]

I dont doubt you at all. Some people think that there car is god. That includes the ls1 cars as well, and the ls2 goats. I love the ls1 and have a great deal of respect for them. But some of you guys have a big head as well, thinking that you cant get beat.

I agree.


Also you will notice that in that thread the guy that said that surely got flamed

I took the lead on calling the guy an idiot. This is back when I owned a Mach 1..

[jking]

I also don't doubt that he witnessed a Z06 run high 13's.

But you can't make an assumption about a car's potential based on a bad driver.

There is a thread on this forum about a new WS6 owner who went to the track for the first time and had a few mid 14 second time slips (he ran a best of a mid 13 to his credit.).

Had foit3's brother lined up against that WS6 on a 14.50 run, he would have probably won, and foit3 would probably be over on the SRT4 forum telling them that they should smoke LS1's because his brother's GTP "laid the smack down" on a WS6....

[blackbird02]

over all man the mach is a very well respected car..... and thier bottom end is better than an ls1 but where we have the advantage is our top end... with both cars being stock if you can get the start you should have the race but when racing a mach with a good driver you cant let up even after you get out there.... Good Luck

[blk99z28]

im gonna say from expeirence that your gonna kill it man ur car vs a 04 cobra should be a closer race if its on stock tires then ur gonna kill it if its on tires then its gonna get u outta the hole but u will come around him on the big end

[Mach1Mustang]

im gonna say from expeirence that your gonna kill it man ur car vs a 04 cobra should be a closer race if its on stock tires then ur gonna kill it if its on tires then its gonna get u outta the hole but u will come around him on the big end
Dude, go stand in the corner and think about what you just wrote.:thumbdn:

[ragu1585]

im gonna say from expeirence that your gonna kill it man ur car vs a 04 cobra should be a closer race if its on stock tires then ur gonna kill it if its on tires then its gonna get u outta the hole but u will come around him on the big end

I dont know what world you are living in, but WOW, to say he's gonna kill it and the cobra would be a better race :lol: :dunno: .. ive raced my buddy's auto T/A and unless i miss a gear he's around a car behind me, at the closest! for the last 20 times we've raced... ive also raced a couple of stock 5 speed mach 1's and everytime they have pulled me by atleast 2 cars or more.. and a stock 04 cobra that ive raced numerous times also pulls me by atleast 5 cars... these guys are all good friends of mine so there is no cheatin about what they or i have... sorry to disapoint!!

[blk99z28]

then i tell you what you bring that mach1 and that cobra right on up to okc and ill show you how slow the are

[Raoul-Duke]

I dont know what world you are living in, but WOW, to say he's gonna kill it and the cobra would be a better race :lol: :dunno: .. ive raced my buddy's auto T/A and unless i miss a gear he's around a car behind me, at the closest! for the last 20 times we've raced... ive also raced a couple of stock 5 speed mach 1's and everytime they have pulled me by atleast 2 cars or more.. and a stock 04 cobra that ive raced numerous times also pulls me by atleast 5 cars... these guys are all good friends of mine so there is no cheatin about what they or i have... sorry to disapoint!!
i dont know what the hell ur talkin bout, the ss is gonna take the mach one for sure dependin on equal peforming drivers, however ur right the 03 04 cobras gonna def take the ss, but with a few mods then yeah it is in the category, damn ive taken mach ones in my full bolt on lt1

[Mach1Mustang]

like i am going to go to OK. just to hand u your ass.
and the full bolt on lt1 will come as well.

[Raoul-Duke]

like i am going to go to OK. just to hand u your ass.
and the full bolt on lt1 will come as well.
ur just upset cuz car will lose to mine thats 12 years old, hahahah u stang guys are such pussys

[Mach1Mustang]

your right. what does your car run?

[blk99z28]

hey man u beat me and ill give you1500 come on up ur need alot more than that slowstain you will find out what it runs

[Capster78]

oh lawd.. Can we not turn this into F&F 3. Next thing you guys will be running for pinks.

[Mach1Mustang]

right, that is why i hate this fourm, queers like you!
i have previously stated that i have respect for ls1 cars and then you go and name call, wow your cool.

[blk99z28]

hey im for pinks im sure i could sell that mach1 for a little money,and im not calling nobody names, i dont know how you guys are in your area but around here all the mustang guys think there cars can beat anything there is and im definetly not sayin i can beat anything but the majority of mustangs i can,so i wont dog on you or your car cuase i dont know you but the fastest mach1 i have seen around here went11.8 and thats not very fast

[99vette]

I thought the M5 Mach dyno's about 15hp more to the wheels on average. 260 vs. 275?

It's the torque management that hurts the new GT's though. That can easily be removed with a tune. Evan Smith at MM&FF ran a 13.39 with a new GT, got a tune, and ran a 13.09. That dude can drive... He also ran a Z28 to 12.8's, an LS1 C5 to 12.7's, and 2 different Mach 1's to 13.1's.

I base my Mach experience from owning 2 LS1 Z28's, an LS1 C5, and a Mach 1, and running all of them at the track dozens of times. On several occasions, I ran my C5 and my 02' Z28 against a group of Mach 1 owners in Houston who were there. Some of them were running 13.0-13.1's bone stock, or with just a cat back. My Z was running the same times, and my C5 would run slightly faster than that.

It was running against them that opened my eyes to what a well driven Mach 1 can do. When I was looking for another sports car, that's what I got. My first trip to the track with my Mach 1 netted me a best of 12.90@106. That was with only drag radials and a not so hot 1.9x 60'.

By the same token, I talked to another Mach owner one night who couldn't run faster than a 13.90, and couldn't trap over 101. Dirvers and production variations make a difference.

yes my buddy dyno'd 275whp and 289wtq bone stock.

[99vette]

over all man the mach is a very well respected car..... and thier bottom end is better than an ls1 but where we have the advantage is our top end... with both cars being stock if you can get the start you should have the race but when racing a mach with a good driver you cant let up even after you get out there.... Good Luck

very true my buddy ran a 8.5 in the 1/8 mile bone stock, most ls1's run 8.6 to 8.7 bone stock. But in the 1/4 mile the ls1 will catch it.

[ponyeater]

mach 1 are slow, don't worry, i had one by 3 cars and that was the first week i had my car

[jking]

Hmm.

We can't have this many junior members all in the same thread fanning the flames in the same illiterate posting style...

I sense trollery..


im gonna say from expeirence that your gonna kill it man ur car vs a 04 cobra should be a closer race if its on stock tires then ur gonna kill it if its on tires then its gonna get u outta the hole but u will come around him on the big end

over all man the mach is a very well respected car..... and thier bottom end is better than an ls1 but where we have the advantage is our top end... with both cars being stock if you can get the start you should have the race but when racing a mach with a good driver you cant let up even after you get out there.... Good Luck

my bro's GTP laid the smack on a Mach 1 i was with him that day it was funny as hell. the guy in the stang was so pissed

mach 1 are slow, don't worry, i had one by 3 cars and that was the first week i had my car

[Angus66]

ur just upset cuz car will lose to mine thats 12 years old, hahahah u stang guys are such pussys

im gonna say from expeirence that your gonna kill it man ur car vs a 04 cobra should be a closer race if its on stock tires then ur gonna kill it if its on tires then its gonna get u outta the hole but u will come around him on the big end

my bro's GTP laid the smackdown on a mach 1. it was funny as hell. the stang driver was so pissed and my 98 Z28 smashes his GTP so u should win

the gtp isnt highly modded but its enough mustangs blow unless its a cobra.. must people cant drive anyway i know the guy with the mach 1 now

There's so many clueless folks posting in this thread I don't even know where to start... :lol:

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

A good place was to let this thread die. :rl: