Can I Beat a 69 Mach 1

[BlinkFan0072]

So here goes. I drive a 98 Z-28, M6, T Tops, with intake and Flowmaster exhaust(I know, I know too restrictive. Soon to be SLP Loudmouth). Anyway my girlfriends parents own a 69 Mach 1, candy apple red with a 351 windsor bored 30, 600 cfm holly carb, with a very mild cam, and flowmaster exhaust (40 series) very beautiful car. It has stock gears and the stock 3 speed cruise o matic. They seem so assured they can beat me, and since they are my girlfriends parents I don't want to talk smack. I honestly don't think there's any chance they could take me but I'm just wondering is there any chance that they could beat me. Also if anyone has raced a 69 Mach 1 I'd like to hear the outcome.

Jimmie

[mbrownin]

My guess is it wouldn't even be close. You'd embarrass them.

[linktrek]

So here goes. I drive a 98 Z-28, M6, T Tops, with intake and Flowmaster exhaust(I know, I know too restrictive. Soon to be SLP Loudmouth). Anyway my girlfriends parents own a 69 Mach 1, candy apple red with a 351 windsor bored 30, 600 cfm holly carb, with a very mild cam, and flowmaster exhaust (40 series) very beautiful car. It has stock gears and the stock 3 speed cruise o matic. They seem so assured they can beat me, and since they are my girlfriends parents I don't want to talk smack. I honestly don't think there's any chance they could take me but I'm just wondering is there any chance that they could beat me. Also if anyone has raced a 69 Mach 1 I'd like to hear the outcome.

Jimmie
It wouldn't even be close. In 1969 the Mach 1 had two engines.. the 351 Windsor engine which was not the performance engine. It had a two barrel carberator and intake, and was geared real slow.It started out at 255 hp which is about 210 rwhp stock. My brother had one when they used to be new and I don't know the 1/8th mile or the 1/4 mile ET's. What I can tell you that stock, they would be lucky if they could break its street tires loose. And that was without posi-traction.
I wouldn't race their car because its obvious they put some money into the car and you might make them feel real bad.
The other 351 was called a 351 cleavland engine and that was supposed to be the performance package. That car had about 300hp at the flywheel and was considered a "dog" from the days when they were new and up to the present.
The only thing you have to worry about is if they are not telling you truth about everything they put into it.

[Roastem]

Z28 wins in a blow out. Race him in reverse!

[BLKbandit98]

Like it was mentioned before just make sure thats all they have and nothing else. But from the mods they claim to have, you could probably push your car across a finish line and still win by 3-4 bus lenghts. (this includes stopping a couple hundred times to catch your breath)

[BlinkFan0072]

alright thanks guys. I'll race him sometime this summer. I'll let you know how it turns out

[SailorZ28]

I love old Mustangs (had a 69 coupe) but yeah...an LS1 equipped car will pretty much beat almost any car from the muscle car era. Cars now are just much faster.

[Danger731]

I love old Mustangs (had a 69 coupe) but yeah...an LS1 equipped car will pretty much beat almost any car from the muscle car era. Cars now are just much faster.

I can see where this is going, BTW I had a 73 cougar with a 351C auto with slicks and it would spin second with a 2bbl. so.......

[linktrek]

I love old Mustangs (had a 69 coupe) but yeah...an LS1 equipped car will pretty much beat almost any car from the muscle car era. Cars now are just much faster. I'm going to be 50 in a couple months so I was around during the muscle car days. There was some pretty fast cars back then but it looks like the 426 Hemi was the engine to deal with. Atleast I think it was 426c..Lets see there was a 427 that think was a chevy and I think and there was the 428 which I think was the Cobra Jet. I may be wrong. But the Hemi cars did 11's right from the factory!

[mbrownin]

I'm going to be 50 in a couple months so I was around during the muscle car days. There was some pretty fast cars back then but it looks like the 426 Hemi was the engine to deal with. Atleast I think it was 426c..Lets see there was a 427 that think was a chevy and I think and there was the 428 which I think was the Cobra Jet. I may be wrong. But the Hemi cars did 11's right from the factory!

I believe you give them too much credit. They wouldn't do 11's off the factory floor. They were rated, what, maybe 425-450 hp, but that was by yesteryear's measurements. By today's measuring standard, it would probably be more like 375 or something. Plus, most were very heavy, 2 tons +, plus they had the old bias ply tires.

[linktrek]

I believe you give them too much credit. They wouldn't do 11's off the factory floor. They were rated, what, maybe 425-450 hp, but that was by yesteryear's measurements. By today's measuring standard, it would probably be more like 375 or something. Plus, most were very heavy, 2 tons +, plus they had the old bias ply tires.
Yup... 11's from the factory:yup:

[jimmi7769]

Yeah, the Hemi and the LS-6 were rated at 425 and 450 but were much closer to 500 and up. Insurance was killing high HP cars even back then. Their big handicap back then was traction and weight. And for the most part a big handicap now is age. Unless they've been rebuilt recently those things are almost 40 years old. And while that ain't much in dog years, in car years thats a bunch.

Anyway, I think the only 69 Mach 1 to worry about would either but a totally hot rodded one or a 428 CobraJet (them was uber cool).
But there is something to be said for not beating chickie's daddy.

[Zboner]

i fucking hope you can beat his ass

[linktrek]

I hope he doesn't lose his girlfriend over this:(

[mbrownin]

Yup... 11's from the factory:yup:
I'd like to see an example of what you're talking about, one that was street legal of course. I read about the Super Stock Hemi 'Cuda that supposedly run in the 10's, but it wasn't street legal. I found this list of magazine tests for various cars & times.

Yr Car 1/4 time Engine HP Trans. Gears
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70 Hemi Cuda 13.10@107 426 Hemi 425 four-speed 3.54 CC 11/69
69 Charger 500 13.48@109 426 Hemi 425 four-speed 4.10 HR 2/69
71 Super Bee 13.73@104 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 12/70
66 Satellite 13.81@104 426 Hemi 425 four-speed 3.54 CD 4/66
70 Road Runner 13.34@107 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 SS 12/69

66 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427 8V 425 four-speed 3.54 CC 11/65
66 Corvette 427 12.8@112 L72 427 425 four-speed 3.36 CD 11/65
69 Road Runner 12.91@111 440 Six BBL 390 four-speed 4.10 SS 6/69
70 Chevelle SS454 13.12@107 454 LS6 450 four-speed 3.55 CC 11/69
69 Camaro 13.16@110 427 ZL1 430 four-speed 4.10 HC 6/69
68 Corvette 13.30@108 427 6V 435 four-speed 3.70 HC 5/68

[linktrek]

I stand corrected. The hemi I was refering to was not stock.Sorry:notworthy:

[lee1rbc]

In High school (Late 80's) there was this guy in are neighborhood in His 50's. He had the baddest car around. Baby blue 67 Chevelle 396/375hp 4sp factory 4.11s (you could lick the gas tank). His car was slightly modded and He ran 13.6 at 105mph.

[linktrek]

In High school (Late 80's) there was this guy in are neighborhood in His 50's. He had the baddest car around. Baby blue 67 Chevelle 396/375hp 4sp factory 4.11s (you could lick the gas tank). His car was slightly modded and He ran 13.6 at 105mph.
I remember when those cars were new. I thought they were alot quicker than that:dunno:

[lee1rbc]

I remember when those cars were new. I thought they were alot quicker than that:dunno:

The reality is that they are actually slower then that in stock form.
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-chevelle/chevrolet-chevelle-history.shtml
There was a show on the speed channel, I can't remember the name but at the end of the show they would have a car on the dyno and the owner would guess how much hp they thought it would put down. On one episode they had a Hemi Cuda and it put down 310rwhp. The truth is if a LS1 came out in 1969 it would have been rated as a 346/426hp LS1.
http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/roadtests/37426/

With the improvememnt in tires and susp upgrades you can get the older muscle cars to run faster then there factory tests though, that is how the man in are neighborhood ran 13s.

[BlinkFan0072]

ha wanna hear something funny. i asked my dad about those cars and he had a chevelle just like you said in perfect condition and he sold it because every time he went out someone would try to race him WTF thats what i love!!

[linktrek]

Thats good info to know. Thanks

[lee1rbc]

Don't get me wrong though, nothing turns heads like a sweet classic, and in my book the 1969 ZL-1 Corvette may still be the most powerfull muscle car ever.

[SailorZ28]

My dad had a 68 Roadrunner with a 383 magnum and a 4spd, he mentions how much he misses that thing all the time!

[linktrek]

I had a '68 GTO that had lots of power.It was nice. 6L engine, 780 duel feed holley carb.It even had chrome valve covers right from the factory.

[bluej]

I lived those days,owned a 67 camaro 427 M-22 513 gear. my buddy had a 426 hemi 4-speed chalenger, I gave him his ass several times. Stock hemi. were not that fast.

[JS02]

tire and suspension technology is nowhere near what it is today. Even changing to new tech though only the very fastest cars would have a chance against an ls1. Those cars were very heavy and it took a lot of power to get them to go. My brother just sold his 383 magnum challenger and bought an 02 firebird WS6. The challenger was a cool car but it wasn't even close to the firebird in performance.

97SSM6

[Zboner]

In High school (Late 80's) there was this guy in are neighborhood in His 50's. He had the baddest car around. Baby blue 67 Chevelle 396/375hp 4sp factory 4.11s (you could lick the gas tank). His car was slightly modded and He ran 13.6 at 105mph.


i got a 1970 in baby blue

[koolaid_kid]

Each response has included a piece of the issues that your gf's dad is going to encounter.
The Windsor, with its smaller ports, would actually outperform the Cleveland when built properly. The ports on the Cleveland were just too big for the engine technology. A properly built Windsor could potentially put out 350 hp at the crank. The 600 cfm is the correct size for that engine.
The transmission (probably a C-6, perhaps a C-4) was not known as a performance transmission, but could operate satisfactorily.
Where he will falter is in traction. It has a plain leaf-spring rear suspension, and it is extremely doubtful that he had a Detroit locker. Those normally only came with the 428 Cobra Jet.
So, even if the engine is built, he is traction limited.
BTW, the weight of the 69 'Stang was actually right around 2900 lb., although it looked heavier than that.
I raced my gf's brother, who has a built 396 SS Chevelle (1967).
He ran in the low 15s with street tires.
The main thing you want to avoid is pi**ing off the dad of your gf. :drivin:

[BlinkFan0072]

True. oh and he does not have a locker

Thanks

[lee1rbc]

I think if it was me, I would respect Him and His car and just nod when He talkes about how great it is. After that just humbily hand Him the keys to Your car and ask Him to take it for a spin and see what He thinks.
:yup:

[snaggeltooth]

351 Windsors are very good engines. I had a 68 Ranchero with a modded one and a 4 speed. But LS1 would win , esp if the Stang had a auto.

[multiplicityz]

i have a 71 chevelle, and i love that car to death, but even if it is a decent 350 build it still has trouble breaking 12.50's, it is EXTREMELY badass tho haha :) , turns many heads.

But like it was said before it was tires that limited drag times, a STOCK LS-6 would pull mid 12's from the factory with a decent set of slicks tho:burnout:

Even though you are gunna hand him his ass, just respect the car, its where yours came from (kinda) wrong family tho.

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

I raced a 69 or 70ish BOSS 429 that had the big fog lights up front. I was driving my 95 TA with a lt-1 m6 and I beat that thing bad! That stang was built bad ass with huge tires and wheelie bars. The exhaust came out under the doors. It had a full cage in it too. To bad the dude didn't know how to drive it. He just sat there and made one hell of a smoke cloud! Scarry part was I was running 225 snow tires! You'd beat him if he didn't really build it good. I agree with the person that said to let him take it for a spin and see if he still wants to go for it. If you don't you'll never hear the end of it. I guess either way you won't. You know how chicks are!:screwy:

[BigBlockPower]

This quickly turned into another "musclecars aren't fast", "musclecars are too heavy", "musclecars were overrated" thread :rolleyes:
BTW '70 Mustangs (including Boss 429s) don't have headlamps in the grill....probably nothing more than a plain-jane '69 fastback with fat tires and worn piston rings (explains the smoke cloud)

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

If the kid knew how to drive that was most likely a 10 second car! The motor really sounded radical. He started a break stand before the light turned green and just roasted the shit out of the tires! I don't know what year the Boss 429's are, but it looked like 69ish with the stickers and fog lights. The body could have been a cobble job, but it sounded really nice! It was that dark green color. I'm not sure if that helps for the year or not. I love and respect the muscle cars! Even more if they have a Big Block. :yup:

[mpe488]

69 ZL1 was an 11 second car wasn't it? And muscle cars were HEAVY. People say if you crashed into a modern SUV with one the muscle car would put a hole in the SUV just cause of the way they were built, but that makes them heavy.

[silverTA2002]

It wouldn't even be close. In 1969 the Mach 1 had two engines.. the 351 Windsor engine which was not the performance engine. It had a two barrel carberator and intake, and was geared real slow.It started out at 255 hp which is about 210 rwhp stock. My brother had one when they used to be new and I don't know the 1/8th mile or the 1/4 mile ET's. What I can tell you that stock, they would be lucky if they could break its street tires loose. And that was without posi-traction.
I wouldn't race their car because its obvious they put some money into the car and you might make them feel real bad.
The other 351 was called a 351 cleavland engine and that was supposed to be the performance package. That car had about 300hp at the flywheel and was considered a "dog" from the days when they were new and up to the present.
The only thing you have to worry about is if they are not telling you truth about everything they put into it.

The 69 mach 1 came with a few other engines as well.

390 and 428 big blocks.

I own a 69 Mach I with a 390. (rated at 320hp)

Even if the guy had a 428 (underrated at 335hp) you should beat him.

[x-40oz-x]

This quickly turned into another "musclecars aren't fast", "musclecars are too heavy", "musclecars were overrated" thread :rolleyes:
That's what i was thinking.:tired:


My cousin has a 71 Mach 1 with the 351 Cleavland. It's stock and will still burn the tires with no problems, but the LS1 will kill it.

[BlinkFan0072]

yeah so i took him for a ride in it 3 days ago and i took it easy you know just talking with him. he says well wake me up when we get home so of course i down shift and put it eh.. 3 quarters to the floor. let out of it in the end of second gear. funny thing is i haven't heard a word about his mustang since.

[Hot Black Trans-Am]

I guess you scared him good!:flex: