Ls1 Vs Lt1

[linktrek]

Hi. I'm the owner of an '02 Mustang GT. I met up with a late modeled Z-28 at the track last night and I really had my hands full. My hat goes off to you :notworthy: . My car is a stock auto with bolt-ons and I spray 100 shot nx. This gives me 350hp to the wheels. I'm not talking about winning or losing here although I do an 11.9@111 with a 1.64x 60'. Last night the owner of the Z-28 told me that he had an LT-1 with bolt-ons and he pulled a 12.1@111 ( he red lighted so the ticket didnt' show a 60") and then he pulled a 12.5@111 with a 1.923 60'.
My question to you is how can you tell an LS-1 Camaro from an LT-1 Camaro by body style.Someone told me that you can tell by the headlights. In an LS-1 the headlight are sort of like bubbled and are more forward than the LT-1. They said that the LT-1's headlights are set back more than the LS-1.
Just trying to figure out what I raced last night because this car was an auto
and didnt' sound cammed or anything... Can you help me out?

[linktrek]

The camaro I raced looked like this ... bare with me because the system won't allow me to post url's until I have 10 posts

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[Zboner]

the LS1 is the bubbled lights and the LT1's are set back

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[linktrek]

Here it is http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/2153000-2153999/2153964_16_full.jpg

[Zboner]

ls1

[linktrek]

You see. You go out and try to have fun at the track and some shmuck has to come by and lie about his engine. It was a modified LS-1 that I raced. Not to cause and rivalry, but I'm glad I beat the dude. I was upfront with him with what I had. He should have been the same way with me.
Well I learned last night that the LS-1 is an engine to be reckoned with. Again,
my hat goes out to ya:notworthy:

[Zboner]

did he say it was an LT1 or something

[Zboner]

the LS1 puts out 300 to the wheels, the LS1 can get to 350 hp very easily with exhaust,intake and tune

[linktrek]

did he say it was an LT1 or something
Yeah... he told me it was an LT-1:dunno:
What does it take a Z-28 with an LS-1 to get to 12.1?

[Zboner]

full suspension, stall if auto, full bolt ons and tune. any maybe a cam

[linktrek]

full suspension, stall if auto, full bolt ons and tune. any maybe a camYeah.. I don't think he had a cam but I never looked in the car. I'm not sure if he had an auto or not.
It takes all kinds of work to get a 4.6 2v to get to 350 rwhp n/a. There are not too many people that can do it. With an auto its even harder because of the extra hp loss from the tranny. My car started out stock with about 215rwhp.In order to get to the 11's I had to do 4:10 gears,4000rpm stall, all the bolt ons, full exhaust, suspension, and when I was through was at 250hp and got to the point where I had to decide whether I was going to go n/a with cams and head work or go with a power adder. So I decided to go with spray. With 100 shot that brought me up to 350rwhp. That got me into the high 11's. Next season I will be spraying 150shot which will bring me to 400 rwhp. That is about as much as a stock 4.6 block will take. So its a very difficult road to get somewhere with a 4.6 2v. That is why I got so uptight about whether the car was and LT-1 or an LS-1. With an LS-1, I can understand why the car performed like it did last night. But if it was an LT-1 like the guy said last night, the whole thing just didn't make sense.

[linktrek]

I got a question for you. When I go to the track, how do I know whether I'm running a 13.4@104 camaro as opposed to an 11.2@123. I am completely clueless about this.

[woodymaro]

Look at their time slip. :slap:

[linktrek]

Look at their time slip. :slap:
I would prefer to know before my mustang gets eaten alive. You know things aren't so easy going to the track with an '02 Mustang. Especially an auto. There is another disadvantage to having a 4.6. I sprayed my car into the 11's and I have yet to do 150 shot. When I do 150 shot, that will put me at about 400rwhp. 400rwhp is the maximum you can safely put on a 2v 4.6 without getting the engine forged. I will probably be stuck at the 11.5-11.7 mark for a *long long time* because of the cost of getting the engine forged. Camaro and and other LS-1's look like they can take alot more hp than 400 as I look around your forum. I just wished that Ford tried to compete with the GM motors instead of giving us ~215 rwhp to start out with. :dunno:

[woodymaro]

no kidding, its not even that exciting anymore pulling up beside a mustang at a light 99 times out of 100 the mustang is going to get killed. No more " I wonder who will win" :thumbdn:

[linktrek]

no kidding, its not even that exciting anymore pulling up beside a mustang at a light 99 times out of 100 the mustang is going to get killed. No more " I wonder who will win" :thumbdn:
I wouldn't say 99% but I would say many. The '99+'04 Mustangs go anywhere between 13.7 to 14.3 stock. Alot stay stock and I watch them at the track. Most are in the 13.5 are at about 101. The '05's and '06's seem to run around 13.5 ish. The bolt on '99+'04s go to about 12.9-13.3@about 102mph or104mph.
My personal mustang can cut a 13.2 without spray @102 with all the boltons on an auto. I do this with only 250 rwhp because one of the advantages of the Mustangs is that you can really launch them real hard. With spray I get into the 11's with 350 rwhp by cutting a 1.64 60'. I do a 12.6 with a 2.0 60'. Alot of LS-1's and 2's are not using all their hp at the track because of their 60's are around 1.9 or 2.0. If I had an LS-1 or 2, the first thing I would work on is building up the rearend and adding alot to the suspension so the cars can launch better. They already come from the factory with lots and lots of hp.

[woodymaro]

If I had an LS-1 or 2, the first thing I would work on is building up the rearend and adding alot to the suspension so the cars can launch better. They already come from the factory with lots and lots of hp.
That is a good point. I guess a lot of us take that power for granted, and don't realize the work that it takes to get a mustang to run that good ( no offence linktrek.) :yup:

[linktrek]

That is a good point. I guess a lot of us take that power for granted, and don't realize the work that it takes to get a mustang to run that good ( no offence linktrek.) :yup:
No offence taken.It the truth. Most Mustangs don't have alot of power.We concentrate on our 60's and then watch our ET's drop. When we get the best out of our setup, we move on and add more power. But we do need power adders to compete. We also concentrate on weight reduction. 281ci is not a big motor to work with.

[Fedge]

you never lied about that...the Stangs can certainly be made to go fast, but they start with a serious deficit in power...LT-1s are almost in the same boat (had 6 Stangs and 3 LT-1s), so I jumped on the LS-1 bandwagon as soon as I could...now if GM was smart about the rear end in these things, they would built a nearly perfect platform for drag racing, sorta like the Mustang is (just needs more power). :D

[linktrek]

you never lied about that...the Stangs can certainly be made to go fast, but they start with a serious deficit in power...LT-1s are almost in the same boat (had 6 Stangs and 3 LT-1s), so I jumped on the LS-1 bandwagon as soon as I could...now if GM was smart about the rear end in these things, they would built a nearly perfect platform for drag racing, sorta like the Mustang is (just needs more power). :D
Your right about the power deficit. Its bad. With my auto , I started out at about 212rwhp. I put alot of money in bolt-ons to get it up to 250rwhp and then I added 100 shot so I could compete. I spent close to $7k to get my auto into the 11's. Next season... after the rainy season is here, I'm putting on the 150 shot that should take me to 11.5 or 11.6...and then I'm stuck because you can't put more than 400rwhp on a 4.6 stock block otherwise it would go boom.

[Fedge]

Your right about the power deficit. Its bad. With my auto , I started out at about 212rwhp. I put alot of money in bolt-ons to get it up to 250rwhp and then I added 100 shot so I could compete. I spent close to $7k to get my auto into the 11's. Next season... after the rainy season is here, I'm putting on the 150 shot that should take me to 11.5 or 11.6...and then I'm stuck because you can't put more than 400rwhp on a 4.6 stock block otherwise it would go boom.

you basically have the same set-up the prez of my Stang club had (he has a blower now) and he ran 12.01, don't remember the mph...meanwhile, a lot of the LS1 guys at the track have nothing more than a cam and exhaust and go the same times...it was more than i needed to convince me to get one.

you have pics of your car?

[linktrek]

you basically have the same set-up the prez of my Stang club had (he has a blower now) and he ran 12.01, don't remember the mph...meanwhile, a lot of the LS1 guys at the track have nothing more than a cam and exhaust and go the same times...it was more than i needed to convince me to get one.

you have pics of your car? My car looks stock so if you look at any '99-'04 mineral gray mustang.. it would look like mine.

[linktrek]

Do you have a trans am?.. Wait.. I just saw your profile.. Your lucky you got one.There are not too many around.

[Fedge]

My car looks stock so if you look at any '99-'04 mineral gray mustang.. it would look like mine.

I love the mineral grey, that was my second choice if I didn't my 01 vert in black...don't have it anymore though, lost it in a bad rain storm back in 02...had it for nearly 2 years 12/00-11/02

[Fedge]

Do you have a trans am?.. Wait.. I just saw your profile.. Your lucky you got one.There are not too many around.

yessir...thanks! it's even harder finding black, 6 speed and t-top:D

[linktrek]

Man.. If I got myself a T/A.. the first thing I would do is get the rearend done... then throw on a pair of 15" MT drag radials. Boy would that make me happy. The third thing I would do is spray it into the 11's.:love:

[kennyxg]

no kidding, its not even that exciting anymore pulling up beside a mustang at a light 99 times out of 100 the mustang is going to get killed. No more " I wonder who will win" :thumbdn:Got a 5.0 w/ stock heads and in take ,I don't know how far away you live from Houston but I'll run ya at Hrp! got all the bolt ons except heads and intake.

[woodymaro]

Is it stock heads with a built bottom end and a supercharger or spray? I have a lid and stock exhaust with a cut out and that is it for my mods. What are all of yours