Turbo or Supercharger poll

[RJWZ28]

:iagree:

[camarojunky74]

and im an idiot:yup:

[djvaly]

:spit:

[BULLET_WS6]

turbo... i used to have one.. very satisfying sound... i want two for my t/a

[ATCharming]

turbo... i used to have one.. very satisfying sound... i want two for my t/a

i want two for my car also. after i get a new engine

[BULLET_WS6]

i want two for my car also. after i get a new engine

lol ya engine first... or you will :zoom: BOOM

[secondgearscratch]

the problem with f bodies are that they dont accomodate a roots blower very well. and personally i could care less about centrifugal s/c. sure theyre great but just not my style. if they make it a bit easier to put the kb 2.4 in an f body, thats where the next year of paychecks is going....

but turbos still kick way more ass.

[ATCharming]

i love the sound of a turbo....
but in my ragged-ass thirdgen i think itd be pretty fuckin sweet to have a bigass roots style blower comin out of my hood

[BULLET_WS6]

i love the sound of a turbo....
but in my ragged-ass thirdgen i think itd be pretty fuckin sweet to have a bigass roots style blower comin out of my hood

:timallengrunt:

[RJWZ28]

Yeah it is so hard to resist blowing a couple months pay on a twin turbo setup but with the wedding in less than six weeks I've been fighting that urge like mad. But it would be sooo sweet! I've already got all of the build specs down except for a few intricate details, its just a matter of getting my ducks all in a row.

[Chris Arnold]

Lag is non-existent in a turbo. However, it can take high rpm to spool a turbo up if the turbo is large but this is not lag. With a small turbo or better yet small twins, boost is there before the hammer hits the floor. That's why factory turbocharged cars always have small turbos, and stand to gain a good deal of power by switching to larger turbos. The only time you should ever experience a lack of boost with a turbo is in first gear when you are stopped, and even then there are ways to get boost (transbrake, 2 step, etc..)

If you're in the right gear, the turbos spool almost instantly.

[BULLET_WS6]

Lag is non-existent in a turbo. However, it can take high rpm to spool a turbo up if the turbo is large but this is not lag. With a small turbo or better yet small twins, boost is there before the hammer hits the floor. That's why factory turbocharged cars always have small turbos, and stand to gain a good deal of power by switching to larger turbos. The only time you should ever experience a lack of boost with a turbo is in first gear when you are stopped, and even then there are ways to get boost (transbrake, 2 step, etc..)

If you're in the right gear, the turbos spool almost instantly.

:slap:

[djvaly]

:slap:

+1 :slap: :lol:

[Chris Arnold]

Ok, let me expound a little. I can see how what I said may not have made sense. There is a difference between lag and needed revs to get the turbos to spool. I'm just going to quote someone who said it better than me:

" The time between hitting the throttle at low engine speed and the creation of appreciable boost--is properly called boost response. Many people incorrectly call it lag, which is really something different. Lag actually refers to how long it takes to spool the turbo when you're already at a sufficient engine speed to create boost. For example, let's say your engine can make 12 psi at 4000 RPM. You're cruising along at a steady road speed, engine spinning 4000 RPM, and now you floor it. How long it takes to achieve your usual 12 psi is your turbo's lag time. Between the two, slow boost response usually causes the most complaints.

There are two aspects to consider when dealing with boost response: engine factors and driver factors. As far as engine factors go, there are many things which affect turbo lag... although most are directly related to the design of the turbo itself. Turbos can be designed to minimize lag but this usually comes at the expense of top-end flow. In other words, you can barter for instant boost response by giving up gobs of horsepower in the upper third of your RPM range. (Behold the catch-22 in designing one turbo for all uses.)

Driver factors are another matter. You basically need to understand how a turbo works and modify your driving style accordingly. To sum it up, don't get caught with your pants down! If you feel that there may soon be a sudden need for serious thrust, downshift until your engine speed is at least 3000 RPM. This way there will be noticable boost almost as soon as you hit WOT. If you are going up a hill at WOT around, say 1800 RPM and your speed is dropping, you'll need to downshift just like any other car in the same situation. Remember: turbos need exhaust gas in order to spin. Let them have some when they need it. "

[RJWZ28]

Well said!

[RJWZ28]

Who'd ya quote?

[djvaly]

good material :thumbup:

[Chris Arnold]

I don't know who it was honestly. I just googled it, and found what I was looking for since I didn't seem to be making any sense.

Chris

[00ssSLP]

Turbo

[2MuchFun]

turbo or super, whichever you give me i'll take it!!

[RJWZ28]

Hey 2muchfun what rear gear you running to get that kinda mileage?

[N20LT4]

I'd have to say...uh...Nitrous :)

[BULLET_WS6]

I'd have to say...uh...Nitrous :)

perhaps there sould be a new poll on this topic eh? i saw a poll on ls1tech that was the same but turbo/super/nitro... seems better imo no ofeense to who made it cuz it is a good thread

[RJWZ28]

neh, nitrous runs out, awesome for the strip but imo not nearly as cool on the street.

[Chris Arnold]

How about supercharger, turbo, and nitrous?

Ok, ok, I haven't actually seen that, but there is a pic of someone who put a supercharger on top of a supercharger...

[RJWZ28]

seen turbo with a supercharger, adding a 50-shot to the mix shouldn't be too hard

[gotSOMturbos]

What ever I don't currently have is what I want. Yep, Super charger with nitrous on the next ride.

[N20LT4]

perhaps there sould be a new poll on this topic eh? i saw a poll on ls1tech that was the same but turbo/super/nitro... seems better imo no ofeense to who made it cuz it is a good thread

Yeah, I think it only makes sense

[N20LT4]

neh, nitrous runs out, awesome for the strip but imo not nearly as cool on the street.

Oh please. I get 4-5 solid passes out of the bottle @ the strip, which translates to more than I need for the street. Nitrous is ALSO a power adder!

[Liquifire]

perhaps there sould be a new poll on this topic eh? i saw a poll on ls1tech that was the same but turbo/super/nitro... seems better imo no ofeense to who made it cuz it is a good thread

I started this thread because when I am ready to build a motor I wanted feedback on which one(supercharger or turbo) people prefer and their experiences with it. I did not include nitrous not because it is a poor power adder, but because you can easily add nitrous to either one of those two and have a lethal combination. The turbo and supercharger combo's are not in my plans at all. Nitrous is the best HP adder for the money but that is not what I wanted to know.

[djvaly]

ok folks... Turbo vs Supercharger subject. thanks for staying on topic.

[RJWZ28]

I started this thread because when I am ready to build a motor I wanted feedback on which one(supercharger or turbo) people prefer and their experiences with it. I did not include nitrous not because it is a poor power adder, but because you can easily add nitrous to either one of those two and have a lethal combination. The turbo and supercharger combo's are not in my plans at all. Nitrous is the best HP adder for the money but that is not what I wanted to know.

:iagree:

[N20LT4]

ok folks... Turbo vs Supercharger subject. thanks for staying on topic.

well in that case, neither ;)

[T_Kiwi]

Twin Turbo for me, the Gentt from aus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp2Y87MITyk

[Knight Stalker]

I know this is an ancient thread that continually seems to be brought back from the dead, however, I was not a member previously, so only now can I post my response. I think the only people who can really provide an informed response to this question are those who have personally used BOTH power adders. I have used the Paxton Novi 2000, the Procharger, and turbos on my V8s. I've had 5.0 Stangs and LT1s with the power adders in question. I've also used the giggle gas. In reading thru many of the previous responses to this question, I've alarmingly observed that quite a few people who have posted replies are EXTREMELY misinformed on turbos. It was shocking to see that some people have actually stated that turbos are better suited to four bangers than V8s, a ludicrous statement considering a larger displacement engine's superior ability to spool a large compressor. Quite a few people have also incorrectly stated that a turbo's perceived "lag" is a good reason to choose a blower over a turbo, because blowers presumably provide instant response and superior low rpm power. While the positive displacement blowers provide this, anyone in the know will attest to the fact that a well-matched and designed turbo system will provide lower rpm hp and torque numbers that far exceed those of centrifugal superchargers. This is due in large part because turbos are load dependent, not RPM dependent like centrifugal superchargers. The perceived "lag", especially where todays more efficient turbos are concerned, is a non-factor, unless the chosen turbo is mismatched to the application. I liken a well-matched turbo system to having your cake and eating it, too, as it provides low rpm power similar to a positive displacement blower, and high rpm power on par with centrifugal superchargers. Speaking from personal experience, I can say without a modicum of hesitation, that after experiencing the world of turbocharging, I would not even consider going back to a supercharger.
In conclusion, although I don't mean to go off topic, I've not been interested in giggle gas since switching to turbos, either. I consider N2O to be an excellent addition to turbos in an extreme application, but I would never recommend it to anyone IN PLACE of a turbo, unless said person cannot afford a quality turbo kit. After the significant initial expense of the turbo kit and QUALITY tuning, I drove my LT1 car every day in nice weather for 2 1/2 years, with NO mechanical problems, before deciding to sell her. In that time, with a seven psi kit, the upkeep was very much like a stock car. It required nothing more than routine maintenance, and the power was there any time and at any rpm, without having to be at WOT to experience it, or ever having to refill a bottle, or worry about bottle temp and pressure. It's everyone's perogative to make his or her own decisions on which power adder to choose. My only intention with this post was to provide an opinion as someone who has been there and done that, having used all three power adders in the past, and having spent thousands of dollars in reaching my conclusion. I wish you the best in whichever route you take.

[T_Kiwi]

^^^^ absolutely brilliantly put mate, i get 5psi at 2000rpm on the stall and throttle responce is instant even when i had twin turbo on my stock engine. blowers are a thing of the past for the mighty V8. Note the fastest ls1 (this is an ls1 site) in the world is Turbo charged 7.0sec@207mph
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=62194&highlight=hypa+ute

Oh and this Twin Turbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJTZDr-N94Q&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Els1%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fforum%2Fs howthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D78468

[RJWZ28]

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That is EXACTLY what I've been trying to say!!!

[Liquifire]

Twin Turbo for me, the Gentt from aus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp2Y87MITyk

Do they make a TT kit for the F body?

[T_Kiwi]

Do they make a TT kit for the F body?


They sure do www.ls1edit.com.au
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXw9tb5oHo&mode=related&search=

[RJWZ28]

Find me a company that will sell me a kit for my Gen II smallblock, the 350 cubic-inch LT1.

[T_Kiwi]

Find me a company that will sell me a kit for my Gen II smallblock, the 350 cubic-inch LT1.
going into what car?

[RJWZ28]

My bad. It would be easy to find for a B-body (Caprice, Roadmaster, 1994-96 Impala SS), but I want it for my 1993 Camaro. I don't care what year LT1 Camaro it is designed for, I can work with any 1993-1997 F-body LT1 TT kit.

[zero_proto]

i'll go with a turbo, if you have lag from launch just get a 2-step.....problem solved.
Turbos are alongside the word effiecient in the dictionary.........
Sure alot of the fast guys run turbos but not all of them, there are alot of bad ass procharger setups out there........centrifugals are good superchargers.
The fastest cars are running those massive roots blowers, i've yet to see one running a turbo but there may be..........
In the end i would go turbo.

[Liquifire]

They sure do www.ls1edit.com.au
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXw9tb5oHo&mode=related&search=

I did not see any pricing for this.........does anyone know about how much this kit costs? And did I read the dyno right..........the tests were at 10 psi each and they got 700+ HP.......off of the stock motor?

[JonB]

A turbo'd ls1 DD sounds awesome to me. Great gas milage with plenty of power when you hit the pedal. :mel:

[T_Kiwi]

pricing here http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pricing.htm

[Liquifire]

well, I saw the prices and converted it.............at 8000 Australian, it would be 6600 dollars.....for a twin turbo f-body kit........and I did not take into consideration the 10% that they said to take off if an international order for their taxes. It does not include everything for installation, but it sounds like a good deal to me...............I might have to consider this.........hmmmm.......

[T_Kiwi]

check out ls1gto.com mate, you will see alot of feedback with these turbos on thier and also ls1.com.au

[Bouvers]

oh my god! I love this thread I can't get enough of it but dear god I couldn't get through all of it tonight so I had to quit half way through so I'm sorry if I'm reapeating something thats already been covered.
But I'm at the point now where I'll probably be thinking about FI in about two years. So I'm starting to get rid of the primary mods first. However, I'm just about to put FULL exhaust on my car all the parts are in so theres no going back now. I don't know if I just wasted my time. I'm thinking it will be TT but I need to know a few things
1- I'm a total newb at FI can a regular guy like me learn everything i need to know in a couple years and be completely safe running TT without blowing up my engine?
2- How much would it cost after EVERYTHING to put on TT on an LS1 compared to a roots SC?
3- I'm thinking I'll be happy at about 500rwhp, is TT overshooting? Should I just save myself the trouble and get a SC? But above all I'm looking for reliabitly/durability and driveability... so in respect to that should I just dump the cash and get TT anyway. Sorry if this pisses off some people but SC just don't seem as reliable... and more sesceptible to leaning out and what not.
4- Is there really no way to setup TT to LT headers... because I know its a small piece of the puzzle but it will be a pain in the ass if I'm getting LT's and in two years I dump out half my exhaust because I'm putting in TT...
5- I heard a bit of talk about h/c not really benefitting turbo'd setups, I don't see why they wouldn't. Can someone briefly tell me what a good turbo friendly h/c setup would be and how it would differ to a more aggresive N/A h/c setup?
SORRY thats a lot of questions... please do the best you can I'm a real newb!

[ATCharming]

oh my god! I love this thread I can't get enough of it but dear god I couldn't get through all of it tonight so I had to quit half way through so I'm sorry if I'm reapeating something thats already been covered.
But I'm at the point now where I'll probably be thinking about FI in about two years. So I'm starting to get rid of the primary mods first. However, I'm just about to put FULL exhaust on my car all the parts are in so theres no going back now. I don't know if I just wasted my time. I'm thinking it will be TT but I need to know a few things
1- I'm a total newb at FI can a regular guy like me learn everything i need to know in a couple years and be completely safe running TT without blowing up my engine?
2- How much would it cost after EVERYTHING to put on TT on an LS1 compared to a roots SC?
3- I'm thinking I'll be happy at about 500rwhp, is TT overshooting? Should I just save myself the trouble and get a SC? But above all I'm looking for reliabitly/durability and driveability... so in respect to that should I just dump the cash and get TT anyway. Sorry if this pisses off some people but SC just don't seem as reliable... and more sesceptible to leaning out and what not.
4- Is there really no way to setup TT to LT headers... because I know its a small piece of the puzzle but it will be a pain in the ass if I'm getting LT's and in two years I dump out half my exhaust because I'm putting in TT...
5- I heard a bit of talk about h/c not really benefitting turbo'd setups, I don't see why they wouldn't. Can someone briefly tell me what a good turbo friendly h/c setup would be and how it would differ to a more aggresive N/A h/c setup?
SORRY thats a lot of questions... please do the best you can I'm a real newb!


im no pro, but i can tell u that you can get to 500rwhp without FI.

also, as far as h/c combos not working with FI, its because u need a FI friendly setup. u cant ust pick a cam that gives u the highest hp then expect to slap a turbo on it.

u can get a good FI friendly h/c combo that will still have a large N/A gain until you go FI.

[Liquifire]

im no pro, but i can tell u that you can get to 500rwhp without FI.

also, as far as h/c combos not working with FI, its because u need a FI friendly setup. u cant ust pick a cam that gives u the highest hp then expect to slap a turbo on it.

u can get a good FI friendly h/c combo that will still have a large N/A gain until you go FI.

500 RWHP is a very lofty goal NA on stock cubes.................fwiw.

[Liquifire]

I did not see any pricing for this.........does anyone know about how much this kit costs? And did I read the dyno right..........the tests were at 10 psi each and they got 700+ HP.......off of the stock motor?

Does anyone know what octane gas this test is run on........or what octane premium is in Australia? ..........What HP is possible here on premium pump gas(92 octane) with this TT setup?

[djvaly]

pricing here http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pricing.htm

"Page not found", link not working

[BULLET_WS6]

i'll go with a turbo, if you have lag from launch just get a 2-step.....problem solved.
Turbos are alongside the word effiecient in the dictionary.........
Sure alot of the fast guys run turbos but not all of them, there are alot of bad ass procharger setups out there........centrifugals are good superchargers.
The fastest cars are running those massive roots blowers, i've yet to see one running a turbo but there may be..........
In the end i would go turbo.

from what i see at the track when i watch the top fuels/pro mods like all of them have roots... every once inawhile i see a beast come out with a TT setup in a camaro or mustang... tear up the field.. run about the same times as the pro mods where i watch them, and the group southwest superchargers run a lil slower than some of the TT's i have seen... so they can hang with the roots till a certain point... i guess its either easier to go roots, or its just truly better idk im just going by what i see at the track

[T_Kiwi]

"Page not found", link not working


http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/au/pricing.html
they have a new webpage setup too
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/index.html

apparently your gas is much better for turbos than ours:)

US 92 octane is the same as our 98 octane, they rate it differently thats all :)

[djvaly]

cool. thnx

[ATCharming]

500 RWHP is a very lofty goal NA on stock cubes.................fwiw.

fwiw?

stock cubes maybe, but its possible. n.a. includes strokin it ;)

[Liquifire]

fwiw= for what it's worth.........Even if it is just stroked, it is attainable, it just isn't easy. I would think anything over 400 cubes you could get their with a decent effort, unless you just throw a huge cam in there to get the peak HP.............

[djvaly]

slowly drifting off subject folks... 500rwhp on 402 ci full bolt ons, M6 is doable, on A4 still yes, but a bit more difficult because of more loss being stalled and being A4

:whip: back on subject ;)

[Y2KArcticSS]

Turbo fo sho. Used to have an old 88 Supra, that POS would get it!! Pissed off several 5.0 mustangs once i got it up in the 300 hp mark. She was a sleeper, now she sleeps permanently....RIP...but i would love to run Twin Turbo on my SS....that's the dream, now i just gotta win the lottery lol

[slim420832002]

well i luv the power a turbo or tt puts out but luv the sound of a whistling of a s/c

[Bouvers]

sounds like you need both... you should just have TT feeding a supercharger. ahahha now thats efficient.

[slim420832002]

sounds like you need both... you should just have TT feeding a supercharger. ahahha now thats efficient.
:haha:

[ImportIntimidator]

i vote supercharger, not so much cause i don't respect turbos 9that couldn't be farther from the truth) but i happen to have a nice set of Hooker long tubes I don't plan on removing. Plus i'm a mad traditionalist blown-V8 for sure. although i do know a TT on my Ws6 would rock the rubber off my tires

[Sleeper101]

Most Of this is true you can pull more HP from a trubo Except I have never seen a Turbo NHRA funny car that produces 8000HP, So in the end Supercharger is still the champ on HP!!! But I like turbo's for street driving.

[Websy21]

Most Of this is true you can pull more HP from a trubo Except I have never seen a Turbo NHRA funny car that produces 8000HP, So in the end Supercharger is still the champ on HP!!! But I like turbo's for street driving.

Not too sure if I agree with this but not going to get into it. Both are great and its a personal preferance along with goals/budget in mind.

[Redegal]

Turbo of course. However I'm biased. I really like how my Regal runs and don't have much experience with driving SC.

I see alot of posts stating that turbos produce more power in the top end. I would say it's just the oppostite. Why do you think freight trains, semi's ect. use turbos? Becuase they can produce a heck of alot of torque at low RPM's to pull those heavy loads.

[ls1speedster]

Superchargers>Turbochargers

Its all about the Low-RPM kick baby!

the roots style blower...has more low end

u have to wait for a turbo to whine up..
plus it just sounds to ricy for a f-body...

BLOWER baby

[BULLET_WS6]

the roots style blower...has more low end

u have to wait for a turbo to whine up..
plus it just sounds to ricy for a f-body...

BLOWER baby

actually... turbos first saw an engine in airplanes... and their debut on a automobile was in gm so originally turbos are not a ricey thing... maybe now its used to make underpowered ricers efficient but its not ricey on a american car... its meannnn

[Knight Stalker]

Turbo of course. However I'm biased. I really like how my Regal runs and don't have much experience with driving SC.

I see alot of posts stating that turbos produce more power in the top end. I would say it's just the oppostite. Why do you think freight trains, semi's ect. use turbos? Becuase they can produce a heck of alot of torque at low RPM's to pull those heavy loads.

Actually that's an apples-to-oranges comparison. You can't compare a FI diesel engine to a FI gasoline engine.....totally different animals.

[Knight Stalker]

the roots style blower...has more low end

u have to wait for a turbo to whine up..
plus it just sounds to ricy for a f-body...

BLOWER baby

Turbo lag is basically a thing of the past where modern ball bearing turbos are concerned. If a turbo is properly sized to a V8 engine, there will be more low rpm power available than you can harness on street tires.

[BULLET_WS6]

Turbo of course. However I'm biased. I really like how my Regal runs and don't have much experience with driving SC.

I see alot of posts stating that turbos produce more power in the top end. I would say it's just the oppostite. Why do you think freight trains, semi's ect. use turbos? Becuase they can produce a heck of alot of torque at low RPM's to pull those heavy loads.

btw a train or semi persay... when starting out isnt at low rpms, look at the gearing... its geared to where the turbo spools automatically producing all the torque to take off... also for many other reason but talking turbo talk here... and turbos do produce n/a torque untill they kick in... so if turbo kicks in you have good torque... if its hasnt kicked yet you are still n/a basically

[Redegal]

so if turbo kicks in you have good torque... if its hasnt kicked yet you are still n/a basically
You learn how to work with it on the street. If I'm driving "spiritedly" down a road with lots of curves and of up and down grades, I anticipate the lag and get on the gas early. The good thing about a turbo on the street is you can actually get somewhat decent gas mileage if you stay out of the boost.

[BULLET_WS6]

You learn how to work with it on the street. If I'm driving "spiritedly" down a road with lots of curves and of up and down grades, I anticipate the lag and get on the gas early. The good thing about a turbo on the street is you can actually get somewhat decent gas mileage if you stay out of the boost.

yeah my last car was turbo... theres no such thing as lag if you keep the rpms up... but i was just making a point to them about how the lack of torque low end is because its n/a at that point... unless rev'ed up therefore not in low rpm

[z28misfit]

This is such a hard decision to make, turbos are awesome because turnig boost up is alittle easier. No pulley changes like blowers. Blowers are instant boost. Turbos -maybe some lowend lag ,if any, but nothing to get your undies in a bunch over. BLowers whine at idle and at wot which I think is completely badass.Turbos alittle more unoticable at idle but you'll deffinately hear them once you hit the throttle hard enough. Blowers will always rob the motor of hp to make hp. Turbo's just use wasted energy to make energy or in this case hp. Turbo kits probably for the most part will be more expensive, but blower kits aren't cheap either. I'm NO expert on the subject but just trying compare the two. I myself at this point am leaning towards a turbo, but that's mainly cause everyone around my area now is doing cam(cams are becoming like assholes around my area, everyone has one) and one of my buddies already has a Procharger so nobody will expect a turboed and cammed Camaro around town.

[z28misfit]

Sorry about the camparison of the two, just read the first page of this post and see that someone already compaired the two. When posts get this long I tend to just look at the last page 1st.:sillyme:

[weberje]

Hey all,

I am the FNG to forced induction here: I am trying to plan my WS6 mod "roadmap".

My first intent was air/exhaust- then had plans to cam/heads. Love the rumble of a good exhaust set up.

Is a 224/224 cam gonna be any help to a turbo system in the future?

Are the hookers gonna have to come off?

[z28misfit]

The headers are gonna be replaced by some sort of turbo headers or manifold setup. So it's gonna suck to get rid or $400+ headers. I don't know alot about turbo cams,but I believe a cam in the 224range shouldn't really hurt turbo performance to bad. Your LSA and ICL all come into effect too. I've seen some turbo cams in the 240duration range but the LSA is on like a 115 or higher instead of a typical N/A car being on like a 112.

[Grey03Cobra]

I love the turbo and will never go back to SC.

[180ls1]

Most Of this is true you can pull more HP from a trubo Except I have never seen a Turbo NHRA funny car that produces 8000HP, So in the end Supercharger is still the champ on HP!!! But I like turbo's for street driving.

well there is a turbo intregra that makes 4k horsepower out of very small cubes so if you apply that to a 4 or 5 hundred ci motor you can do the math. it would just be insane if top fuel motors ran a a twin turbo setup.

[Sleeper101]

well there is a turbo intregra that makes 4k horsepower out of very small cubes so if you apply that to a 4 or 5 hundred ci motor you can do the math. it would just be insane if top fuel motors ran a a twin turbo setup.

The most hp I have seen from a Twin turbo setup is from the Lucas Oil Drag boat, It a 550Cubic inch motor producing a little over 4000HP. On alcohol.

No one is able to get the turbo's to run efficient enough or consistent enough to make anymore power, They blow the turbo's after only a few passes, Our supercharger we re-build after every 3 passes to get 90-100% boost efficiency. Turbo's are to hard to pull apart and re-build between rounds when your on a 90 min dead line.

If someone was able to make more power with a turbo I would like to see!!! Im interested in it?

[chuckie669]

Where exactly is the turbo on our ls1's? Do you have to change up the exhaust dramatically?

I do like the turbos but think that I would hate my T/A with a gaping hole where my exhaust used to be (All the pics i've seen didn't have the dual tips).

[z28misfit]

Where exactly is the turbo on our ls1's? Do you have to change up the exhaust dramatically?

I do like the turbos but think that I would hate my T/A with a gaping hole where my exhaust used to be (All the pics i've seen didn't have the dual tips).

STS makes a rear mount turbo, I don't think theres really whole lot involved with changing the exhaust with that kit. I never really looked into that kit though. And for the missing exhuast tip you were mentioning, yeah that looks really queer IMO. I'm not sure about the STS kit, but with the other turbo company's kits, you can still run a y pipe over the axle for dual tips if you choose.

[chuckie669]

yeah, its sad that such a badass performance upgrade and I'm wondering if I'm gonna be missing exhaust tips, lol... I guess you could always have a dummy pair.

Do you have to go to sts or do they ship? I've been looking at trtturbo.com. I've heard them together before

[chuckie669]

Here's a badass pic
http://www.trtturbo.com/images/Jeffs_car_006.jpg

[Sleeper101]

The corvette I raced at the track with a rear mount turbo setup had Dual exhaust out the back. Not sure if it was custom or what but looked nice!

[chuckie669]

I was looking at pics of the TRT setup vs the STS and the STS looks allot more natural. The pic above is from TRT and it looks like they take apart and customize a lot more. I believe that TRT has to cut into the cowl of the hood but STS does not. Not sure if thats true

Most of the pics I found from them had engines removed and what not.

[Sleeper101]

were might I find a TT setup for the Lt1 Trans am? anyone know a website?

[chuckie669]

This is all I could find friend. Unfortunately, I don't think any were twin.

http://www.ststurbo.com/camaro_lt1
http://www.forcedinductions.com/GMkits2.htm
http://www.turbo-kits.com/lt1_camaro_turbo_kits.html

[Sleeper101]

Awesome!!! Thanks, Single turbo will work in my application to.

[Orange99z28]

ok this is insanity. i owned a 89 thunderbird sc, only made 230hp i believe. but was just as quick off the line as my 350+hp na camaro. i loved that feeling of instant balls, a v6 2 ton car that could take mustang gt's.

i gotta say after that car i would love a roots blower on my camaro, maybe even find 2 of those thunderbird superchargers and put em both on my camaro.

i do hate the whine of big blowers though, turbos really do better when you get into 500+ hp, just need a completely built engine and pretty much kiss every day driver goodbye (sorry kenne bell, i think your blowers sound like a screaming tranvestite lol)

i can say definitively that you won't have the fastest car no matter what you do, so go with what you like, there are ways to make any choice you make work. just read up on your choice and you'll find more info than you could ever want. now you just gotta come up with some $$$

anyone know about these little sts things? i've heard good things about em but every time i've seen one they've gotten thier ass handed to em by another car (blowers, nitrous, and turbos, to date i haven't seen an sts win - i'm talking late model v8's btw)

[Orange99z28]

a bit more to add, i noticed an arguement over why top fuel uses blowers, the answer is simple. instant, reliable boost. with that much power letting turbos spool would probably kill whoever was unlucky enough to launch the car. s/c's are linear meaning you know what to expect at any given rpm, with turbos when you get that much hp you got a real scary situation on your hands (and damn near impossible to control)

[chuckie669]

I've seen a few vids on Youtube of Magnachargers on F-bodies. Does anyone know a site that sells them? I'm guessing that there's some fabrication to getting one to fit under the hood.

[Rattler]

I have to say the 3.3ltr Whipple for a street application! Mine will be pumping 1250rwhp @ 18psi which is more than enough power and will have enough torque to give myself whiplash!!

3.3ltr Whipple (being finished today)

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x10/mesatinken/New.jpg

My old 2.3ltr Whipple

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x10/mesatinken/Rattler1.jpg

[chuckie669]

Do you know online where you might find one for a ls1 T/A?

[Orange99z28]

i'm really interested in that whipple! how much and where'd ya get it/where'd ya get it installed? i'd love to have one of those on my camaro!

[LT1 > LS1]

i love love love the sound of a screw charger. plus their power and instant torque is awesome. prochargers i am not a big fan of. not enough on the bottom end. that screech at idle is only cool if you hear it every once and a while, but annoying iuf heard every day. roots blowers don't flow as good on the top end. i love top end power. thumbs down to the roots, unless a big fat lopey blower cam is on it. then its awesome. 0nly works for hot rods though. turbos

i think i must vote turbos, open up the wastegates and just cruise it, or close, listen to them spool up, and hang er sideways at 50 mph. turbos are flat out awesome. wish i could get a pair.

[1BADSSUV]

I'm gonna have to stick with the turbo myself, just installed the APS twin setup on my C5, this things a beast,i've owned severl blown sbc and a twin turboed 2 stage no2 cummins deisel, the turbos have such a smooth power band to me,i've never owned or riden in a vortech style driven unit so don't really know how they perform

the 2000 convt with the aps twins, 60lb injectors, and a boosta pump laid down 510 very smooth hp and 500 ft lb:nana:

with less than 200 miles on the setup and 73k on the tranny high gears are frying

can't wait to get to the track
only 15 minutes away
and I own the key!

[Chris(NJ)]

well, i cant vote, but I would vote TURBOOOOO :D

[65ls1]

Turbos Here