01 cobra....

[02sunsetorangeZ]

Well im on my way home and decide to take the route right through town. Im at a stop light waiting to turn left and i hear this rumble come from behind me. I look in my rear view and see a snake in the mirror and a mexican driving and i started to get excited, first of all because no mexicans in my town really know how to drive. Well we left the stop light and turn and he pitches it sideways and i thought to myself, cool. He gets up beside me and smiles and i put it in first and hit it and went sideways and he gave me a thumbs up, then he down shifted and tried to do the same thing. He had to dump his clutch and rev it up to get it to get sideways a 30, so i returned and gave the thumbs up back. We get beside each other and hit it right at the same time and at the end of first his front bumper was at my rear bumper and i had to brake cuz of traffic. He then gave me another thumbs and i did as well and he turned off. I wish we could have stayed in it atleast till third or so, but o well.

[karpetcm]

Good race, too bad you couldnt go any longer with it. Either way you wouldve won, unless he was seriously modded up.

[blue02Z]

very dumb lil brother to be doing that in town. haha o well. i dont think he is modded up. i also suspect its a 99 model. all i can tell is okay 2 tone paint red and black, lowered and exhaust

[BLKCLOUD]

Very few visual cues that distinguish a 99 from an 01. Main one is the spoiler (01 had a slightly raised spoiler). No Mustangs were two-tone from the factory (99 or 01), so it would have had to have been repainted.

HP/performance wise, 99 and 01 were identical, assuming a 99 has had the performance recall performed.

[foxman92]

the 99 and 01 cobra had the exact same spoilers on the back, the easiest way to tell a difference, is the rear bumper.. the 99 still said mustang in the rear cover, and the 01 look identical, just said cobra insted..

[BLKCLOUD]

Concur with the words "Mustang" for 99 and "Cobra" for 01 (forgot about that). However, you are incorrect about the spoilers:

Here is the spoiler off a 99:

http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/99-04/99/CobraRear.jpg

And here is the spoiler off an 01:

http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/99-04/01/SilverCobraCoupe.jpg

I certainly could have worded it better....the 01 is not "raised" more, rather, it mounts in a different spot and thus has a different look to it.

[foxman92]

opps my bad. lol idk, i forgot all mustangs 01+ came with that spoiler.. thanks for clearing it up..

[BLKCLOUD]

Guess we're "even", so to speak. ;)

[preston1980]

When I was a teenager, I would just go off of hp numbers, and I remember when I got my 93 6 speed TA, I knew I had a 275 horsepower LT1, and I knew the 96-98 Cobras had 305, so I always thought I would lose. One night I raced one and beat it pretty good, 1-2 cars, we raced like 4 times from 4 differant speeds. Every time I won. I was amazed.
When I got my 99 TA, my friend told me that a 320 hp 01 Cobra would beat me because I had 305 hp. I knew better and went lookin for one. Raped a lot of them over the years. Fun, fun, fun. As long as there not modded alot, you will win if you have an LS1

[karpetcm]

Ive raced a couple in the past in my 93 LT1 and had no issues pulling on them, ive driven a 01 Cobra and wasnt impressed at all, at first it has good torque and feels like it will pull hard all the way through the rpms but not much up top. The clutch on those cars is a PITA, if you havent test driven both cars you just have no idea how much of a difference there is between the 2 meaning how the power comes in, basically it reminded me of how my 95Z A4 would accelerate, good in the lower rpms and then flat on its face up top unless you got good mods.

[Musclecargt71]

Ya the '01 cobra's aren't much to write home about, the '03-'04 cobras however, are pretty nice right from the factory. 390hp which most agree is underrated since ford didn't want to break 400hp for insurance reasons (theory) is pretty beefy.

[preston1980]

Ya the '01 cobra's aren't much to write home about, the '03-'04 cobras however, are pretty nice right from the factory. 390hp which most agree is underrated since ford didn't want to break 400hp for insurance reasons (theory) is pretty beefy.

yes the 03 04 cobras were great, too bad they messed up the cobra after that. They should drop the shelby thing and just make a SVT Mustang Cobra again and make it a i.r.s. car and a dohc 4.6 supercharged with an aluminum block. I dont like all the roush stage blah blah and their overpriced over weight shelby gt 500 and kr 500. Just go back to a GT and a Cobra. Simple. Too many options and brand names involved with the Mustang now. Your paying alot of money for names and badges. Just my opinion. :rant:

[foxman92]

Ya the '01 cobra's aren't much to write home about, the '03-'04 cobras however, are pretty nice right from the factory. 390hp which most agree is underrated since ford didn't want to break 400hp for insurance reasons (theory) is pretty beefy.

yea i would love to own a sonic blue 03 cobra.... ive drove a few, and i cant help myself, but they are a blast to drive and very comfortable i think..

[Zinergy]

yes the 03 04 cobras were great, too bad they messed up the cobra after that. They should drop the shelby thing and just make a SVT Mustang Cobra again and make it a i.r.s. car and a dohc 4.6 supercharged with an aluminum block. I dont like all the roush stage blah blah and their overpriced over weight shelby gt 500 and kr 500. Just go back to a GT and a Cobra. Simple. Too many options and brand names involved with the Mustang now. Your paying alot of money for names and badges. Just my opinion. :rant:

I personally would like to see a new mach 1 with a N/A 5.4 liter alum block making around 450 crank hp. That would be an awesome engine to have and still be around 40k new.

[big hammer]

I personally would like to see a new mach 1 with a N/A 5.4 liter alum block making around 450 crank hp. That would be an awesome engine to have and still be around 40k new.

aint gonna happen.

[preston1980]

yea i would love to own a sonic blue 03 cobra.... ive drove a few, and i cant help myself, but they are a blast to drive and very comfortable i think..
I had an 03 termi, the clutch position and shifter position are acwkward.
The fbods are much more natural feet and arm positions. I always felt like I was reaching to shift, and Im 5'11. felt like the seat was too high compared to the stering wheel. Some people like the more upright seating, some say the fbods and vettes seem like you are laying down on the floor.

But my Cobra was much faster than any GM I have had, so I got used to the car then it wasnt so bad. And that supercharger sound was sweet, like music to my ears.:devil: I miss it.

[preston1980]

I personally would like to see a new mach 1 with a N/A 5.4 liter alum block making around 450 crank hp. That would be an awesome engine to have and still be around 40k new.

It might happen, but it would be more like 390-400 crank hp. And that would be competitive with the new Gen 5 ss maros because they are lighter. (450 hp would be alot out of a na 5.4 v8)

That would be ok too, you would have your 315 hp gt for around 30k your mach 1 with 390 around 35k and a svt cobra around 430 hp supercharged for 40k

[Zinergy]

(450 hp would be alot out of a na 5.4 v8)

That would be ok too, you would have your 315 hp gt for around 30k your mach 1 with 390 around 35k and a svt cobra around 430 hp supercharged for 40k

I suppose, even though porsche has a 3.8 h6 that makes 435hp and bmw has a 3.5liter v8 that makes over 500hp. Spend the money on the engine and make the car itself like the bullit mustang, stripped down with nice suspension.

[BLKCLOUD]

Have you looked at what comes standard on the Bullitt? I wouldn't call it stripped at all (as much as I'd prefer it to be that way). It has all the standard features of a Mustang GT Premium, and can be had with all the same options too, along with the stuff that makes the Bullitt unique.

[Zinergy]

Have you looked at what comes standard on the Bullitt? I wouldn't call it stripped at all (as much as I'd prefer it to be that way). It has all the standard features of a Mustang GT Premium, and can be had with all the same options too, along with the stuff that makes the Bullitt unique.

I just meant the body, give it a scoop and a spolier but other than that who cares. Just a fast car, i always liked the lx foxbody to the GT. Kinda like that

[Pumped03]

the 99 and 01 cobra had the exact same spoilers on the back, the easiest way to tell a difference, is the rear bumper.. the 99 still said mustang in the rear cover, and the 01 look identical, just said cobra insted..

I owned both and they were dfferent. The 99 was flat and bent on the ends to the fender. 01 had posts in the middle.

[Pumped03]

Very few visual cues that distinguish a 99 from an 01. Main one is the spoiler (01 had a slightly raised spoiler). No Mustangs were two-tone from the factory (99 or 01), so it would have had to have been repainted.

HP/performance wise, 99 and 01 were identical, assuming a 99 has had the performance recall performed.

'The Fix" was a boatload of bull shit.

[Pumped03]

When I was a teenager, I would just go off of hp numbers, and I remember when I got my 93 6 speed TA, I knew I had a 275 horsepower LT1, and I knew the 96-98 Cobras had 305, so I always thought I would lose. One night I raced one and beat it pretty good, 1-2 cars, we raced like 4 times from 4 differant speeds. Every time I won. I was amazed.
When I got my 99 TA, my friend told me that a 320 hp 01 Cobra would beat me because I had 305 hp. I knew better and went lookin for one. Raped a lot of them over the years. Fun, fun, fun. As long as there not modded alot, you will win if you have an LS1

Yeah, it's the stuff legends are made. Look "Legend" up in the dictionary because a legend is a fictonal character.

They is a lot closer that you'un want to think. I'm still waitng to see an LS1 bonestock make 330 rwhp SAE. It may make 330 uncorrected is a cool shop. Factory freak, bwahahahahahahaha. Not in today's manufacturing. The legend continues.

[Zinergy]

Yeah, it's the stuff legends are made. Look "Legend" up in the dictionary because a legend is a fictonal character.

They is a lot closer that you'un want to think. I'm still waitng to see an LS1 bonestock make 330 rwhp SAE. It may make 330 uncorrected is a cool shop. Factory freak, bwahahahahahahaha. Not in today's manufacturing. The legend continues.


All i know is i pull on bolt on n/a cobras and most bolt on mach 1s.

[preston1980]

Yeah, it's the stuff legends are made. Look "Legend" up in the dictionary because a legend is a fictonal character.

They is a lot closer that you'un want to think. I'm still waitng to see an LS1 bonestock make 330 rwhp SAE. It may make 330 uncorrected is a cool shop. Factory freak, bwahahahahahahaha. Not in today's manufacturing. The legend continues.

I have never seen nor heard of a stock ls1 with 330 rwhp, they are all around 300 rwhp.
But that being said, the 01 Cobra only puts down around 270 rwhp. And because of the i.r.s. in the cobras, the fbods and 01 cobras are around the same weight. And the cobras had a 3.27 rear end gear, and the m6 fbods had a 3.42s Plus a 6 speed vs a 5 speed. Long story short, advantage LS1 fbods.
The only prayer the cobra had against an m6 fbod was 0-60, they were a hair faster I believe. like 5.2 to 5.1 or something like that. But the qaurter mile was like m6 fbod- 13.4 to cobras - 13.8

[big hammer]

All i know is i pull on bolt on n/a cobras and most bolt on mach 1s.

N\A 4v's can be quick 0-60, but after that they start to shit the bed

[BLKCLOUD]

The 6 speed vs 5 speed is not an advantage in the 1/4 mile (or anything waaayyyy into triple digits). That's because both trannies are overdriven in gears 1 to 3 and have the same 1:1 4th gear. The main difference is that the T56 has two OD gears vs the 5-speeds 1 OD gear.

And once the modding starts (even "bolt-ons"), be careful. Though quick bolt-on LS1's are far more common than quick N/A bolt-on Cobras, that doesn't mean that you won't run across a good running bolt-on example. There are several examples of N/A 98+ Cobras/Mach 1's that have gone well into the 11's with bolt-ons.

Finally....the main F-body advantage comes from the LS1 itself. It is, quite simply, a superior performance powerplant to the N/A 4V 4.6.

[blue02Z]

The 6 speed vs 5 speed is not an advantage in the 1/4 mile (or anything waaayyyy into triple digits). That's because both trannies are overdriven in gears 1 to 3 and have the same 1:1 4th gear. The main difference is that the T56 has two OD gears vs the 5-speeds 1 OD gear.

And once the modding starts (even "bolt-ons"), be careful. Though quick bolt-on LS1's are far more common than quick N/A bolt-on Cobras, that doesn't mean that you won't run across a good running bolt-on example. There are several examples of N/A 98+ Cobras/Mach 1's that have gone well into the 11's with bolt-ons.

Finally....the main F-body advantage comes from the LS1 itself. It is, quite simply, a superior performance powerplant to the N/A 4V 4.6.



you mean underdrivin:)

but i do completely agree with you on the last statement;)

[BLKCLOUD]

Sorry - I did mean underdriven. Tks. :)

[lazyeye]

01 cobras dont need "alot of mods" to beat an ls1, all it needs is 4.10 gears and some good tires

[Zinergy]

01 cobras dont need "alot of mods" to beat an ls1, all it needs is 4.10 gears and some good tires

What did you run?

[kevnstac]

The 2011 Mustang will come out with a 5.0 engine with a reported 400HP 400lbft torque. It should be interesting to see how it runs.
Ford is doing away with the 4.0, 4.6 and 5.4. They are being replaced by the 3.5 V6 (also available as an ecoboost version w/355HP), 5.0 (400HP) and 6.2 (500HP) engines going forward. It looks like Ford is trying to keep up with the rest of the auto makers because 315HP in a GT is a far cry from 426 in an SS or 425 in the SRT-8 Challenger.
I'm still waiting for the Z/28 version to become available. Sooner or later they have to open the vault and let it happen. This may be just what is needed to make that happen.

[big hammer]

01 cobras dont need "alot of mods" to beat an ls1, all it needs is 4.10 gears and some good tires. furthermore the ls1 car needs to be out of fuel and in reverse.


editted for truth

[kevnstac]

Having a Mustang and a Firebird (and a Trailblazer SS, Ford F150 & Dodge Ram 2500 truck) YOU CAN'T SAY I DIDN'T DO MY PART TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY
All I will say is it takes some work on the older Mustangs to beat the 98-02 cars. Although, I remember when the 85 GT would toast my 84 Z/28. MY 99 WS6 will out perform most Mustangs of today.
Its been a war since I was a little kid. I'm sure its not going to end anytime soon.
I guess what separates me from the die hard GM lovers is the fact that I love performance cars as long as they are made in America. Some would question my preference of either, and I couldn't tell you honestly which car I like better.

P.S. That doesn't count rice, as the only thing that comes to mind when I see them is a rolling fart can.